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Fingon
Aug 5th, 2003, 04:15 AM
Last year, Justine accused Lindsay Davenport during the Zurich event of faking injuries.

I think she was wrong and I really don't know if Davenport was truly injured or not, but that's not the point, she shouldn't have accused Davenport of that and she was wrong.

Their was an unstoppable diatriba about that, never ending of Justine being a bitch, how she dared said that to Davenport, etc.

Even now, 10 months after some Lindsay fans (notably Queenlindsay and bis .. something) keep going on and on about that.

Now, Kim has said exactly the same about Justine, but it was ok, it's Kimmy, "she must be right", "if Kimmy is pissed off ..." "it's the FO incident".

I should remind everyone that when the Zurich incident took place, the FO incident hadn't happened, so it wasn't influence because Justine was regarded as a bad sportmanship or whatever.

Interesting enough, Lindsay Davenport herself accused Steffi Graf of faking injuries, but Lindsay is regarded as another player that can do no wrong so it was overlooked.

double standards? nah

Knizzle
Aug 5th, 2003, 04:17 AM
Last year, Justine accused Lindsay Davenport during the Zurich event of faking injuries.

I think she was wrong and I really don't know if Davenport was truly injured or not, but that's not the point, she shouldn't have accused Davenport of that and she was wrong.

Their was an unstoppable diatriba about that, never ending of Justine being a bitch, how she dared said that to Davenport, etc.

Even now, 10 months after some Lindsay fans (notably Queenlindsay and bis .. something) keep going on and on about that.

Now, Kim has said exactly the same about Justine, but it was ok, it's Kimmy, "she must be right", "if Kimmy is pissed off ..." "it's the FO incident".

I should remind everyone that when the Zurich incident took place, the FO incident hadn't happened, so it wasn't influence because Justine was regarded as a bad sportmanship or whatever.

Interesting enough, Lindsay Davenport herself accused Steffi Graf of faking injuries, but Lindsay is regarded as another player that can do no wrong so it was overlooked.

double standards? nah

Where would the double standard lie, just with Davenport fans??

Venus Forever
Aug 5th, 2003, 04:23 AM
Several reasons.

Justine was never known as "the nicest player on tour," or the friendliest. She is just not known as that, while Kim is. Everyone proclaims how nice Kim is, that's all you hear from Shriver and Mary Joe. She has more credibility towards her word than Justine, because people respect her more.

Justine, in many eyes, seems a little sneeky. First, it's the cramps in Australia against Lindsay, the first meeting between the two after the alleged faked cramps. Maybe payback??

Then the Serena incident. Not fessing up to something she did wrong.

And now this. Justine did not look hampered one bit, and didn't even look in pain, yet, she takes an injury time out after dropping the first set. Very suspicious. I mean, it hurts inly when you lost the first set?? Yet, it didn't seem to bother her for the rest of the match either. Gamesmanship is brought up now, because of past occurences with her. She didn't look hurt before or after, but, had these past things that happened in other matches not taken place, I doubt this would even be a subject now, but it did, and it looks suspicious.

Now, I'm not agreeing with either, but that's just how it looks. It looks fishy.

Car Key Boi
Aug 5th, 2003, 04:26 AM
Last year, Justine accused Lindsay Davenport during the Zurich event of faking injuries.

I think she was wrong and I really don't know if Davenport was truly injured or not, but that's not the point, she shouldn't have accused Davenport of that and she was wrong.

Their was an unstoppable diatriba about that, never ending of Justine being a bitch, how she dared said that to Davenport, etc.

Even now, 10 months after some Lindsay fans (notably Queenlindsay and bis .. something) keep going on and on about that.

Now, Kim has said exactly the same about Justine, but it was ok, it's Kimmy, "she must be right", "if Kimmy is pissed off ..." "it's the FO incident".

I should remind everyone that when the Zurich incident took place, the FO incident hadn't happened, so it wasn't influence because Justine was regarded as a bad sportmanship or whatever.

Interesting enough, Lindsay Davenport herself accused Steffi Graf of faking injuries, but Lindsay is regarded as another player that can do no wrong so it was overlooked.

double standards? nah

Kim's a better troller than Justine, troof!

bis2806
Aug 5th, 2003, 04:26 AM
Fingon, you should realise that Zurich was the turning point or rather the stepping stone for Justine where she could prolly test her faking skills :rolleyes: but she escaped the aussie that time however she didn't get lucky at french and that's prolly where everything gets worse.... she's just a bitch...

Jakeev
Aug 5th, 2003, 04:30 AM
I take it you have a point to all this Fingon? Surely you are not trying to start anything here since that is not your style.........

Fingon
Aug 5th, 2003, 04:39 AM
I take it you have a point to all this Fingon? Surely you are not trying to start anything here since that is not your style.........


no, but really, I did think that Justine was wrong, but also Lindsay was wrong, and Kim was wrong.

if you think Justine was wrong you have to admit the other two were.

If you think Kim or Lindsay were right then Justine was right.

Fingon
Aug 5th, 2003, 04:42 AM
Fingon, you should realise that Zurich was the turning point or rather the stepping stone for Justine where she could prolly test her faking skills :rolleyes: but she escaped the aussie that time however she didn't get lucky at french and that's prolly where everything gets worse.... she's just a bitch...

what she said in Zurich was wrong, but your beloved Lindsay had said the same about Steffi Graf.

Plus the Aussie, you keep saying she was faking but you don't have anything to back it up, I could say Lindsay was faking in Zurich with exactly the same base.

You just assumed she was faking and built your whole case on that. You were upset because she offended your beloved Lindsay and just assumed she would fake an injury.

Venus Forever
Aug 5th, 2003, 04:44 AM
if you think Justine was wrong you have to admit the other two were.

If you think Kim or Lindsay were right then Justine was right.

Not really.

There is no proof that Lindsay faked anything, so, her accusations were wrong.

HOWEVER, Justine has been caught on tape with bad sportsmanship, and she has been called out on it. With this proof, all of her past "shaky" moments or past injuries out of the blue, as well as future injuries, will be called out upon. She will be forever haunted by the hand incident. The fact that she also believes she did nothing wrong doesn't sit well with many either.

My point being, Justine didn't have a case against Lindsay, but Kim does have a case against Justine.

Knizzle
Aug 5th, 2003, 04:47 AM
I think why Kim was upset about this is because Justine did this also once before in Berlin. I don't remember exactly what point in the match justine called for an injury timeout, but I remember us on the ESPN board joking that Justine was once again using an injury timeout to get her opponent of their game. That was the mathc that Kim blew the 4 match points, and then obviously lost. Also the whole FO bad sportsmanship thing.

Gowza
Aug 5th, 2003, 04:50 AM
seriously because the FO 2003 was justines first grand slam in her career it will haunt her for her whole career simply because it's her first grand slam. winning a grand slam hugely boosts a players confidence and it is believed justine cheated to get through thus her career started out by cheating so it's like her whole carer never should have happened. this is not my opinion, i didn't see it happen and i plan on never seeing it but this is what some people COULD think. (and please i don't want to piss of justine fans or anyone)

Fingon
Aug 5th, 2003, 04:50 AM
Justine was never known as "the nicest player on tour," or the friendliest. She is just not known as that, while Kim is. Everyone proclaims how nice Kim is, that's all you hear from Shriver and Mary Joe. She has more credibility towards her word than Justine, because people respect her more.


Ha, it's important who says things, facts be damned.

Justine, in many eyes, seems a little sneeky. First, it's the cramps in Australia against Lindsay, the first meeting between the two after the alleged faked cramps. Maybe payback??


alleged faked cramps? by who? by some bitter posters that just assumed if she was cramping after a 3 hours playing on the sun she was faking?

maybe payback? what does it mean? you are assuming Justine wanted revenge and faked the cramps? while she was serving 7-7? why not before? So, people just build a case based on nothing, and I repeat, the fo incident hadn't happened then. They just assumed she was faking with no evidence and she was accused and condemned for that, very fair really :rolleyes:


Then the Serena incident. Not fessing up to something she did wrong.


she was wrong, however, it was blown out of proportions.

And now this. Justine did not look hampered one bit, and didn't even look in pain, yet, she takes an injury time out after dropping the first set. Very suspicious. I mean, it hurts inly when you lost the first set?? Yet, it didn't seem to bother her for the rest of the match either. Gamesmanship is brought up now, because of past occurences with her. She didn't look hurt before or after, but, had these past things that happened in other matches not taken place, I doubt this would even be a subject now, but it did, and it looks suspicious.

she said the blisters were burning and she needed to reaccomodate the tapes, she didn's pretend she couldn't play of anything, and tha's within the rules.

Are we going to question any player that takes a medical time out? Serena did it at the Australian Open, against Kim and it didn't seem to bother Kim then (and I am not accusing Serena of anything, she, like Justine was acting within the rules). So, if the player is not limping or in pain then it's a fake? then Lindsay's injury at Zurich must be considered fake as well because she won the match and played the final the next day.

Now, I'm not agreeing with either, but that's just how it looks. It looks fishy.

again, it's how it looks based on preconceptions, and on players' images, facts be damned.

TennisHack
Aug 5th, 2003, 04:54 AM
Why are you still beating the dead horse? Do you just enjoy getting a rise out of people?

Gowza
Aug 5th, 2003, 04:56 AM
hey wasn't davenport the first person to accuse justine of faking injuries? and she also said that about steffi?

Fingon
Aug 5th, 2003, 04:58 AM
Not really.

There is no proof that Lindsay faked anything, so, her accusations were wrong.

HOWEVER, Justine has been caught on tape with bad sportsmanship, and she has been called out on it. With this proof, all of her past "shaky" moments or past injuries out of the blue, as well as future injuries, will be called out upon. She will be forever haunted by the hand incident. The fact that she also believes she did nothing wrong doesn't sit well with many either.

My point being, Justine didn't have a case against Lindsay, but Kim does have a case against Justine.


so let me see if I understand.

let's say a person steals an orange, and is caught in the act.

Then somebody is killed, the thief is guilty because he did something wrong before?

Nobody, and I mean nobody in this world is perfect, not even Kim, everyone has done something regretably, whether caught or not, that doesn't imply that everything they say/do is wrong, because in that case the whole human race should be in doubt.

Kim has a case against Justine because of what Justine did against another player in another tournament? give me a break. Justine might have been caught in tape with bad sportmanship but in this case, what the tape shows is that she did have blisters, but again, it's about what happened before and the image that everyone has, Kim can't be wrong and Justine can't be right, that's the assumption.

I just wanted to confirm the double standard, I honestly don't feel I'll be posting here much longer because the level of hypocrissy and non-sense really doesn't make it a pleasant place for me anymore.

Really, people that judge something based on their prejudices are not the kind of people I like to interact with.

Plus, I am sick of seeing 300,000 post on how bad Justine is and how wonderful Kim and Lindsay are, when I know that it's far from the true, this place has become a complete joke and I honestly think the level is as low as you can get.

bis2806
Aug 5th, 2003, 05:04 AM
Lindsay is not the sort of person who would just go round complaining if it hadn't been really true.... So what if she's acccused Steffi before??? Lindsay was prolly right after all... and with all this Justine crap, it's totally intolerable coz justine's such a loser...

Gowza
Aug 5th, 2003, 05:06 AM
bis2806, they were just honest questions. i want to get all the facts straight.

TennisHack
Aug 5th, 2003, 05:10 AM
I just wanted to confirm the double standard, I honestly don't feel I'll be posting here much longer because the level of hypocrissy and non-sense really doesn't make it a pleasant place for me anymore.

Really, people that judge something based on their prejudices are not the kind of people I like to interact with.

Plus, I am sick of seeing 300,000 post on how bad Justine is and how wonderful Kim and Lindsay are, when I know that it's far from the true, this place has become a complete joke and I honestly think the level is as low as you can get.

Oh, that's it. You wanted a big, dramatic sendoff :rolleyes:

At any rate, your logic is flawed; the truth is, someone's reputation proceeds them. A thief's reputation is for theivery, not for murder. Those are two different categories of crime.

But Justine has built up a bad reputation for herself, whether you like it or not. That, coupled with her obvious inferiority complex and new confidence-cum-arrogance thanks to a Grand Slam win, is making her quite unsuitable for some fans.

Why should you care? Most of the people who state they have lost respect for Justine say it because of her attitude, not because of her injury time out. You have stated that you don't care about her attitude, so why does it bother you that people don't like it?

Dawn Marie
Aug 5th, 2003, 05:11 AM
I just posted this in another thread. I have to agree with Fingon on this one. First of all nobody on the WTA is perfect(outside of Venus of course;))... . AND...Even though Justine stated and did some things in the past doesn't mean that everything else she does from here on out should be held accountable to her. She did nothing wrong Saturday during the final and just because Kimmie stated her words don't mean they are indeed true.

P.S. I refuse to take anything that Pam and Mary Jo state becuse they ARE NOT CREDIBLE. So them saying that Kim is all nice nice means nothing to a fan living in the real world. I use my own judgement and frankly I think Justine and Kim both can be a bit bitchy. Kim was keeping her feelings all balled up inside. She is exploding.. that is all.

Venus Williams and Seles were the same way, but they have matured beautifully and are great role models. Come on before they won slams they were both arrogant! Kim is no different. Justine either. The only thing I disagree with is some of Hingis's past statements because she was down right rude and wrong and they had nothing to do with tennis.

Honestly, I don't get Kim on this. Sure Justine did and stated some things in the past about players but that has nothing to do with her taking a time out to get a blister retaped on Saturday.

Kim imho is just being a bad sport, I am sorry but The "Saint Kimmie" is wrong in this instance.

She is assuming that just because Justine had a blister and took a time out then after she got it taped she and ran down balls that she was faking it. Now from what I saw on the screen she was clearly hurting. She was also going for her shots to try her best to keep the points shorter.

Nope. Justine just beat Kim and Kim imho underestimated her on hard-courts. Kim is wrong just as Justine was wrong about Lindsay.

Venus Forever
Aug 5th, 2003, 05:12 AM
Ha, it's important who says things, facts be damned.

Of course it's important who says things. There is a big difference. Kim is very respected on and off the court. She is not one to fabricate anything or take anything away from her opponent. She NEVER does that.

alleged faked cramps? by who? by some bitter posters that just assumed if she was cramping after a 3 hours playing on the sun she was faking?

maybe payback? what does it mean? you are assuming Justine wanted revenge and faked the cramps? while she was serving 7-7? why not before? So, people just build a case based on nothing, and I repeat, the fo incident hadn't happened then. They just assumed she was faking with no evidence and she was accused and condemned for that, very fair really :rolleyes:


Many feel, not I, but many believe that Justine faked those cramps just to get some payback against Lindsay. They believe that Justine was trying to shift the momentum totally in her way, which actually happened. People were arguing about this incident before the French Open thing, so, I don't understand why you brought that up. Maybe it was unfair for many to judge then, but, after the French, anything Justine has done regarding injuries and cramps during a match is questionable now.

she was wrong, however, it was blown out of proportions.

How was it blown out of proportion?? She lied. She didn't show any sportsmanship of any type, and it's hurting her now. The fact that she also believes she did nothing wrong hurts her as well. People now see Justine as a cheat and liar. And this will always be. She lied in a very crucial moment in the match so it would go her way. This makes everything she will do and anything she did in the past very questionable.

she said the blisters were burning and she needed to reaccomodate the tapes, she didn's pretend she couldn't play of anything, and that's within the rules.

Who said anything about it being against the rules. It was fair and square, but, once again, sportsmanship comes in. She did this after losing the first set. It didn't seem to bother in the first, in the second, or in the third. Do you think blisters feel better as the match goes on?? No, it's only going to get worse. Why didn't she call for the trainer after the second when she won it? Why not in the third?? It couldn't have gotten better if she was in so much pain. It just makes people wonder. It's just strange that is hurt when she was losing, but not when she was winning. It's sportsmanship again, it has nothing to do with something illegal.

Are we going to question any player that takes a medical time out? Serena did it at the Australian Open, against Kim and it didn't seem to bother Kim then (and I am not accusing Serena of anything, she, like Justine was acting within the rules). So, if the player is not limping or in pain then it's a fake? then Lindsay's injury at Zurich must be considered fake as well because she won the match and played the final the next day.

In Justine's case, she will never let the French thing down. They will always question her, whether she is being truthful, or she is lying. That's how it is, and that's how it will remain for awhile.

If you don't understand anything I have written, then, you're beyond help of understanding. I think it's quite clear of why everyone is being so harsh on her.

Dawn Marie
Aug 5th, 2003, 05:17 AM
I do agree with VenusForever though and that the RG will stay with Justine for awhile. People are obviously talking about it due to Justine's remarks in her post match interview after the Acura.

It's the old case of crying wolf. There will be days that she is hurt and she will be questioned.

jojoseph
Aug 5th, 2003, 05:21 AM
Nope. Justine just beat Kim and Kim imho underestimated her on hard-courts.

Yeah, especially in the horrible first set.

QUEENLINDSAY
Aug 5th, 2003, 05:23 AM
OMG!!!! Are u guys still questioning the injury that Lindsays got at Zurich??? It cost her 7 month of absence. She also plays injured at the championships that year and that was the last run she could go because of that knee injury. Even Kim comgratulate her after she beat her and wishes her good luck on the final, because Kim knows that Lindsay is really playing in pain.

As for Justine's injuries, Its not even proven that those are legitimate and so far 2 players already thought its fake plus the lying she did at RG.

We are not actually talking here about injuries, which are fake and which are not. KIM, SERENA and LINDSAY just knows who is CHEATING!!!!!!!

I never like the williams at all before and consider a hater but I will choose one SERENA over a thousand Justine. I just dont like fake champions.
JUSTINE may win more titles but she can never earn the respect of co players. Even in other sports like Basketball, you can never be an MVP if the other players dont vote for you, even if u are consider to be the greatest and has top the statistics.

POOR Justine, A champion but more of a LOSER!!!!

harloo
Aug 5th, 2003, 05:30 AM
Did Kim say it was gamesmanship in the AO? When has Kim ever accused anyone of gamesmanship? All this time I have never read anywhere where she has accused someone of this. Now if people don't believe Justine's tactics now, then I don't know what else to tell you. You are clearly blind.

I usually give someone the benefit of the doubt, but IMO Justine has turned me off. It's ok to want to win, but doing ANYTHING to win is not right. No matter how people try to justify it. Now while I don't deny she is a great player, I simply have no respect for her.

You can say alot of things about all the other players, but the one thing you cannot say is they are cheaters.

Kim will have to learn how to block all that out if she is to win the USO, because it seems Justine is allowed to do and say whatever she wants without much criticism from the tennis establishment.

Dawn Marie
Aug 5th, 2003, 05:44 AM
I think Justine is a cheater.. hence the RG but I really don't think she cheated during Saturdays's final.

I don't think it was a shoo in that Kim would have lost the match if Justine took a injury time-out. She was down 0/4. It would have been better to fake the injury at 2/0 or something to give her a better advantage to win the first.


I dislike justine as well, since her ways at RG but it doesn't make sense for her to take the injury time-out.

Kim is wrong here. Just like she was when she slying stated that Venus was not hurt when she lost to her on the grass.

Venus Forever
Aug 5th, 2003, 06:14 AM
I don't think it's about cheating, but gamesmanship.

And, right now, Justine's gamesmanship just does not exist.

Come-on-kim
Aug 5th, 2003, 08:39 AM
Henin hasn't got any sportmanship, and she say "I'm fair-play" :rolleyes: Yes, the most fact that prove she's fair play is the "hand affair" against Rena at RG!! (BTW, Henin's coach said that he was proud of Justine lying!)

rottweily
Aug 5th, 2003, 08:56 AM
Not really.

There is no proof that Lindsay faked anything, so, her accusations were wrong.

HOWEVER, Justine has been caught on tape with bad sportsmanship, and she has been called out on it. With this proof, all of her past "shaky" moments or past injuries out of the blue, as well as future injuries, will be called out upon. She will be forever haunted by the hand incident. The fact that she also believes she did nothing wrong doesn't sit well with many either.

My point being, Justine didn't have a case against Lindsay, but Kim does have a case against Justine.

Then you should also look at Kim lying after the match against Justine. And that's a fact.

Dizzy Miss Lizzy
Aug 5th, 2003, 09:06 AM
I think why Kim was upset about this is because Justine did this also once before in Berlin. I don't remember exactly what point in the match justine called for an injury timeout, but I remember us on the ESPN board joking that Justine was once again using an injury timeout to get her opponent of their game. That was the mathc that Kim blew the 4 match points, and then obviously lost. Also the whole FO bad sportsmanship thing.

:scratch: If I recall well it was actually Kim who took a injurie time-out after she lost the first set and she still managed to win the second set and have three or four matchpoints. Even worse, she even managed to win the tournament of Rome the next week. OMG, she's such a faker. :rolleyes:

If we keep on going on like this every injurie time-out in the future will get suspicious. And that's just bloody ridiculous.

Lady
Aug 5th, 2003, 09:11 AM
Actually Kim didn't take an injury time-out in Berlin between the sets!! She took it when Justine was 2-1 in the second set and serving!!! And after that Kim won 2nd set and Justine didn't blame Kim for anything!!

irma
Aug 5th, 2003, 09:18 AM
face it people will always turn it around to their favs

yeah she is my fav so she doesn't lie, you just minunderstood her, she can't speak the language, but I hate that player so she is a lyer and cheater. you look at her nasty face. oh and that bitch beat my fav too. she will never get credit and respect

it's a fact

Knizzle
Aug 5th, 2003, 09:33 AM
:scratch: If I recall well it was actually Kim who took a injurie time-out after she lost the first set and she still managed to win the second set and have three or four matchpoints. Even worse, she even managed to win the tournament of Rome the next week. OMG, she's such a faker. :rolleyes:

If we keep on going on like this every injurie time-out in the future will get suspicious. And that's just bloody ridiculous.

My mistake, well we were joking that Kim was taking an injury timeout to try to throw Justine off. LOL!!

Mateo Mathieu
Aug 5th, 2003, 09:33 AM
Get over it, guys!! :rolleyes:

Lindsay looks seriously bad at Zurich. Justine looks fine at the Australian Open until that point was quickly happened which is strange to me. I don't know if it was fake or not. I kinda suspecious it was fake.

I don't like the way she did done at Roland Garros against Serena in the semis! What a loser!

SJW
Aug 5th, 2003, 11:48 AM
its different because Linzi had come back from a career threatening injury, 9 months out of the game, then Justine hints her taking a t/o was gamesmanship. to me, thats a load of bull, and i didnt like the comments

surfinggirl
Aug 5th, 2003, 01:03 PM
This is just awfull!
First I think justine was right with davenport in Zurich. She couldn't walk between points but she could run for all the balls like she's nevr done before and then the next day she could even play the final and a three-setter I think! Maybe she felt a little pain but not that much that she would retire! She always had something against Justine. Lindsay is good friends with Kim so they don't like Justine. And losing from a player who's not so tall and so, that a bad feeling. But that is just the world who gives us that image! That so in every sport.
And at the Australian Open I also don't think it was fake. I think she was really hurting and if it was fake than she's a good actress, but with everything she's been trough I don't think she would do this kind of things.
In Berlin it was actually Kim who had a medical time out after she lost the first set (I don't know if it was between sets or in the beginning of the second) but she came back with a heavely taped leg but still managed to run down every ball like nothing happened? She was also close to winning that match. She knew she had to do something because everyone knows that you can win from Justine by getting in her head, but not anymore. She became a lot stronger there. It won't happen anymore. But Kim has done it herself and the only time Justine had done it was at Rosmalen 2003 and than she even had to retire and who complained afterwards? Again Kim because she didn't think it could bother Justine from playing? Huh she doesn't know what it is to play a one-handed backhand! You still use your left hand to control and position your racket. Ask Mauresmo and she'll say it would be hard to play! But because there was a GS the next day she retired not to get more risks. If it was a regular tournament with not a GS the next week, she would have continued! Poeple why can't you understand all of this?
And the French Open thing. Justine was right. Serena was right. But it is the umpire who didn't see it happen and then he should have asked justine whether she did it or not, but he never asked! So it's not Justines fault, but the umpires.
And the last thing the San Diego final. What about that? Blisters can be hard, but when it's taken care of you can play. But if you run over the whole court the tape will lose its strenght, so you have to renew it once in a while. She was already the better player at the end of the second and she just continued her strong performance in the second and the third.
It's just Kim who's a bad loser. Now we will know how her true self is. Now everything is important for that number 1 spot and because she lost all important matches she thinks her number 1 spot is being challenged by justine. She never tought Justine would win this. Before the match Kim already tought that she could win this match very easily and be number 1. But now she isn't, didn't won a GS and even lost a hardcourt tournament to Justine, so she's looking for excuses and if that's the way to do it, than she's a bad loser.
She just said it in the head of the moment, but she should keep he mouth shut! Than all of this wouldn't have happened.
Justine didn't react on it much, just that she stated that Kim is dissappointed because she lost (and is't that in the head of the moment? I think so).
Kim is normally the better player on hard court, but now losing it, affects her!

Come on people can't we just give it a rest and enjoy are true belgian players and don't begin of flemish and walloon. That is not important, what's important is that we have "2" great tennis players and we just have to love them.

I hope this gets to and end soon cause I'm sick of it that Kim gets the nicest this and that and Justine is always the bitch whatever she says! She may not say something or she will be taken on her word. Kim won't!
Stop bashing the other player and support your fave but don't bash and admitt who was the better player!

SJW
Aug 5th, 2003, 01:16 PM
ok does anybody know adrenaline is a temporary pain killer? did yall learn that in biology?

and i remember the Zurich match clearly...in fact i had it on tape until recently. Henins tactics were all wrong. as Linzi stated, she WAS playing her up the middle! how can u make someone run by hittin the ball straight back at them?! Henin has great slice, great dropshots, and she insisted on trying to hit with Linzi from the back.....

Fantastic
Aug 5th, 2003, 02:57 PM
They're ALL lying bitches. Diss-respeck!

ns_Henin
Aug 5th, 2003, 03:43 PM
All people comments like they're a perfect human :rolleyes:

fleemkeģ
Aug 5th, 2003, 03:46 PM
BTW, Henin's coach said that he was proud of Justine lying!


He said he was proud of her reaction and also sayd that if it was KIM on the other side she would probably gave a first serve because she respects her and Serena doesn't (just look at her reactions after Charleston)

please say everything Alex :rolleyes:

Come-on-kim
Aug 5th, 2003, 04:02 PM
He said he was proud of her reaction and also sayd that if it was KIM on the other side she would probably gave a first serve because she respects her and Serena doesn't (just look at her reactions after Charleston)

please say everything Alex :rolleyes:
it's axel not alex!

But 1) her reaction was lying in fact
2) ok she would have told if it was Kim! Good to her
3) I like the williams game but not their personality and have nothing against them, but they're sometimes a little bit arrogant, and I think by doing that Justine became as arrogant!

fleemkeģ
Aug 5th, 2003, 04:11 PM
it's axel not alex!

But 1) her reaction was lying in fact
2) ok she would have told if it was Kim! Good to her
3) I like the williams game but not their personality and have nothing against them, but they're sometimes a little bit arrogant, and I think by doing that Justine became as arrogant!

1 sorry to write your name wrong! :rolleyes:

I didn't say she would have TOLD it! She would have reacted different in that situation if it was f.e. KIM PLEASE READ WHAT I WROTE thanx :rolleys:

Mrs. Peel
Aug 5th, 2003, 04:40 PM
I usually give someone the benefit of the doubt, but IMO Justine has turned me off. It's ok to want to win, but doing ANYTHING to win is not right. No matter how people try to justify it. Now while I don't deny she is a great player, I simply have no respect for her.

You can say alot of things about all the other players, but the one thing you cannot say is they are cheaters.




The apparent ruthlessness is a HUGE turn off. I thought she was an exciting player when she first came on the scene but the disenchantment began wayyyy before FO '03. Her sour grapes over losing to Venus and Serena, the complaints about people "faking" injuries. I mean she never hesitated to be outspoken about players who have been around and already paid their dues long before she has. She was always arrogant. The FO incident just inspired shock and awe about her character...I don't want to watch her tennis.

I've already said it before...the French Open incident will follow her around for a long time. She is infamous for it. It is not just the players that bring it up but other coaches, commentators, writers...everybody knows that she is not sportsman-like. She is the Hester Prynne of Tennis!!!!!

Martian KC
Aug 5th, 2003, 10:11 PM
Doubles standards are the facts of life around this board.

Cybelle Darkholme
Aug 5th, 2003, 10:43 PM
okay maybe I am just clueless but I watched that match and can someone please tell me when and where justine the enfant terrible cheated, because I didn't see anything. She took an injury time out, um big deal.

The only think I saw was justine playing great tennis and kim not being able to cope. Maybe Kim should quit doubles and focus on her singles because she just couldn't keep up with justine.

And unless kim starts inhabiting justine's body then she doesn't have a clue to what pain justine is feeling and when so that running fine and then limping is irrelevant. And shouldn't kim be focusing on what she's doing not justine?

Kim I love ya and lord knows I can't stand justine, but please give us a break, shake the girls hand, congratulate her, quit doubles and move on.

SJW
Aug 5th, 2003, 10:47 PM
thats whats so good about it cybelle!!!

Justine didnt cheat (for once ;) jks) and Kim got narky (for once)

the two combusted and drama is a beautiful thing :D