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Rocketta
Aug 5th, 2003, 02:06 AM
http://sports.yahoo.com/ten/news?slug=afp-tennis_wta_usa_clijsters&prov=afp&type=lgns


Clijsters stands by gamesmanship charge


August 4, 2003
LOS ANGELES (AFP) - Kim Clijsters doesn't make a habit of backing down on the tennis court, and she wasn't backing down from her charge that fellow Belgian Justine Henin-Hardenne isn't above a little gamesmanship in a tennis match.

Clijsters, who lost to Henin-Hardenne in the final at San Diego on Sunday, denied that it was poor sportsmanship that prompted her to suggest that her opponent might not have needed an injury time out to treat blisters on her foot.

"It's her full right to do it," Clijsters said of the five-minute time out, which Henin-Hardenne took after losing the first set.


But she added: "Sometimes she was limping after a point that she lost, then next point she was running all the balls down. Those were like little signs where I thought maybe she's faking it a little bit."

Clijsters insisted she didn't intend to take anything away from Henin-Hardenne's performance.

"I have absolutely no problem saying that she was the better player - in the second and third set, she was so much better than I," Clijsters said. "I don't like losing, but I think I give a lot of credit to my opponents."

Clijsters has pretty stern views on playing hurt in any case.

"I think the first time I ever called a trainer on court was this year in Berlin, and I actually pulled my hamstring," said the 20-year-old, who could grab the world number one ranking this week in Los Angeles, where Henin-Hardenne isn't entered.

"You see it in a lot of matches, where players pull out when they're down 6-1, 4-0. I think it takes some of the respect out of tennis," she said.

"Tennis is a physical sport, and you get injuries. Unless you break a leg or something, I don't think there's honestly a reason to pull out, unless you have the next week a big tournament coming up where you don't want to take any serious risk."

CC
Aug 5th, 2003, 02:11 AM
Sticking to her guns I see. I smell a serious feud about to develop.

mboyle
Aug 5th, 2003, 02:12 AM
Good for Kim.:) While I think Justine is going to end up the better tennis player, Kim seems like she is heading towards being the better person, and in the end, that is really what matters the most.

GO KIMMIE:bounce: :bounce: :bounce: !!!

Mase
Aug 5th, 2003, 02:12 AM
Tell us how you really feel Kim, hahahaha!
Go ahead........

cool bird
Aug 5th, 2003, 02:15 AM
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"You see it in a lot of matches, where players pull out when they're down 6-1, 4-0. I think it takes some of the respect out of tennis," she said.

"Tennis is a physical sport, and you get injuries. Unless you break a leg or something, I don't think there's honestly a reason to pull out, unless you have the next week a big tournament coming up where you don't want to take any serious risk."[/QUOTE]

WELL MAY BE THERE IN A LOT OF PAIN AND CAN'T TAKE NO MORE :confused: .
I do like Kim but what a stupid thing to say

angele87
Aug 5th, 2003, 02:21 AM
I don't think what she meant is if somebody just suddenly gets hurt at 6-1 4-0 and retires. If somebody twists thier ankle or something at that point and they can't continue, that's very fair. However I don't think it looks good when a player is treated a couple of times during the match and continues to play but then when they are about to lose decide they can't continue anymore. Sometimes it looks like the player just doesn't want to lose and they'd rather just retire.

Fingon
Aug 5th, 2003, 02:25 AM
go on Kim!! you tell 'em!!!

I totally agree with Kim, and i am losing a lot of respect for Justine. This is the third big match i have witnessed her gamesmanship to try and swing it her way - in the wimbledon semi's against Jen in 2001, RG this ear and now.

I dont have much respect for her anymore, although I really fear for her, the next time kim steps on the same court - theres gonna be war.

It wont happen at the US Open though, since Venus will tear them both apart :D :p

Good luck for the US Open, Venus, Jennifer, and Kim. Make it a fine sporting occasion!!!

what did she do to Jennifer other than kicking her ass? :confused:

now they are inventing stuff, oh wait, she called the rain upon. :rolleyes:

Fingon
Aug 5th, 2003, 02:27 AM
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"You see it in a lot of matches, where players pull out when they're down 6-1, 4-0. I think it takes some of the respect out of tennis," she said.

"Tennis is a physical sport, and you get injuries. Unless you break a leg or something, I don't think there's honestly a reason to pull out, unless you have the next week a big tournament coming up where you don't want to take any serious risk."

WELL MAY BE THERE IN A LOT OF PAIN AND CAN'T TAKE NO MORE :confused: .
I do like Kim but what a stupid thing to say[/QUOTE]


I agree, so a player should play injured just because it doesn't look good to pull out, if they aggravate the injury it's ok :rolleyes:

Car Key Boi
Aug 5th, 2003, 02:36 AM
Good for Kim.:) While I think Justine is going to end up the better tennis player, Kim seems like she is heading towards being the better person, and in the end, that is really what matters the most.



why does "being the better person" matter the most?

selesfan
Aug 5th, 2003, 02:37 AM
LOL! Go Kim! :bounce:

disposablehero
Aug 5th, 2003, 02:39 AM
She said exactly the things I want to hear from a player.

CC
Aug 5th, 2003, 02:40 AM
Sticking to her guns I see. I smell a serious feud about to develop.

Actually now that I think about it, this new feud is really about Kim getting to number 1 without winning a slam, and Justine having won a slam but isn't the one acquiring the number 1 position. They resent each other --- at least that's what I think.

liuxuan
Aug 5th, 2003, 02:40 AM
why does "being the better person" matter the most?

he said "in thend" and hes right, obviously, as in the end, life is more important than the tennis court - even Hingis found that out.

angele87
Aug 5th, 2003, 02:48 AM
don't answer for other people
Message boards are for everybody... pms are for if you just want to talk to one person :)

TonyP
Aug 5th, 2003, 02:52 AM
I think that if the match will be over in a few games, a player should stay out there and show a little respect for the paying fans.

There have been too many retirements in the last set.

jojoseph
Aug 5th, 2003, 02:57 AM
She said exactly the things I want to hear from a player.

Absolutely. Me as well.

It's funny 'cause Kim, like many players, rarely say anything arrogant or what-not, so their critics have to jump on anything to criticize them with. And this appears to be one.

I'd be more concerned with other comments made during the week if anything.

SerenaSlam
Aug 5th, 2003, 02:58 AM
this coming from kim clijsters, im sure everyone's opinoins and views about what serena did, seem to shift over and change, now that kim in a way feels the same about justine :rolleyes:

tennischick
Aug 5th, 2003, 03:03 AM
deliberately or not, Kim is subtly invoking memories of the FO incident. good for her! more pressure like this and Justine will have to think twice before pulling one of her stunts. go Kim! :kiss:

Fingon
Aug 5th, 2003, 03:05 AM
well this is an interesting case in what the important thing is who says something and not what they say.

Justine called a medical time out, which is within[b/] the rules, she had blisters, they were showed on tv and the WTA trainer could verify that.

Whether Kim thinks it wasn't hurting it's irrelevant, Justine has been criticized for asuming what other players think, but it's ok for Kim to decide what other players feel :rolleyes:

Justine has been criticized for ages because she accused Davenport of faking injuries (which was wrong IMO), now Kim does [b]exactly the same and it's right because it's nice Kimmy.

I might remind everyone that she considers it's wrong for a player to pull out of a match unless they broke a leg or something. Well, Serena, Davenport, Dokic and nearly every player have pull out of matches because of an injury and when they weren't playing the next week, so should we take Kim's word as the wholy truth and accuse all those players of being bad sports? :confused:

or Kim's words are to be taken seriously only when they refer to Justine, even when it's obvious she is wrong. I don't think she deserves to be crucified for that, many players including Justine had said stuff like that, but to take that as "Kim can't do/say anything wrong" is frankly stupid.

Fingon
Aug 5th, 2003, 03:07 AM
deliberately or not, Kim is subtly invoking memories of the FO incident. good for her! more pressure like this and Justine will have to think twice before pulling one of her stunts. go Kim! :kiss:

it doesn't seem to bother her too much, she just won a title

DD
Aug 5th, 2003, 03:11 AM
Justin has got serena kim and lindsay pissed. the next player will possibly be cappy or mauresmo. she is being succesful in making a name for herself

Dawn Marie
Aug 5th, 2003, 03:54 AM
Honestly, I don't get Kim on this. Sure Justine did and stated some things in the past about players but that has nothing to do with her taking a time out to get a blister retaped on Saturday.

Kim imho is just being a bad sport, I am sorry but The Saint Kimmie is wrong in this instance.

She is assuming that just because Justine had a blister and took a time out then after she got it taped she and ran down balls that she was faking it. Now from what I saw on the screen she was clearly hurting. She was also going for her shots to try her best to keep the points shorter.

Nope. Justine just beat Kim and Kim imho underestimated her on hard-courts. Kim is wrong just as Justine was wrong about Lindsay.

jojoseph
Aug 5th, 2003, 04:01 AM
Honestly, I don't get Kim on this. Sure Justine did and stated some things in the past about players but that has nothing to do with her taking a time out to get a blister retaped on Saturday.

Kim imho is just being a bad sport, I am sorry but The Saint Kimmie is wrong in this instance.

She is assuming that just because Justine had a blister and took a time out then after she got it taped she and ran down balls that she was faking it. Now from what I saw on the screen she was clearly hurting. She was also going for her shots to try her best to keep the points shorter.

Nope. Justine just beat Kim and Kim imho underestimated her on hard-courts. Kim is wrong just as Justine was wrong about Lindsay.

At the time Justine took the timeout, she was getting owned by Kim. Immediately after the timeout, Justine got a boost. Kim suggested that maybe Justine did it to give herself a boost. She didn't really say that it was a bad thing. Furthermore, you can't call Kim a hypocrite, because she's accusing her of doing something she doesn't do herself. And Kim was right, Justine appeared to selectively appear hurt. I didn't even know she was hurt 'til she took the timeout.

Can somebody help me out here? What exactly did Kim say that was so bad?

TennisHack
Aug 5th, 2003, 04:04 AM
How interesting to see the vocal Williams fans take sides on this matter. It's like a division between hate for Justine and hate for Kim.

skanky~skanketta
Aug 5th, 2003, 04:09 AM
i wonder why kim is getting pissed. well, if she is sticking to what she believes in, thats fine.

banana
Aug 5th, 2003, 04:17 AM
what did she do to Jennifer other than kicking her ass? :confused:

now they are inventing stuff, oh wait, she called the rain upon. :rolleyes:


hhhmmmmm..... let me think! jen was trashing her ass til little Mrs. Herpe hole called a trainer 4 her "blisters" she's a lyin' piece of trash, and i hope Lindzi/Serena/Jen/Kim waste her ass in the locker room :devil:

Dawn Marie
Aug 5th, 2003, 04:26 AM
Look if Justine wins her matches by calling the trainer than what does that say for her opponents?

What Justine did on Saturday was legal in tennis. It was up to Kim to remained focused. What does this have to do with them both battling it out in the third set anyway?

There is no guarantee that Kim was going to win the match as Justine has always posessed all those shots. Maybe Kim was lucky that Justine was off her game that first set?

All I know is that people state this dumb shit about Venus and Serena. That they always fake injuries. A player can have a blister and get it patched and still be able to win a match. The same with an abdominal strain.

People act like if you call the trainer that the healthy person will and IS supposed to win.

Justine gets on my nerves, but I really don't think she did anything wrong Saturday. I just think Kim has sour grapes. Which is understandable.

DA FOREHAND
Aug 5th, 2003, 04:36 AM
Kim is mad at herself for falling apart and giving justine the momentum. Suppose it was a rain delay and justine came out kicking butt, would she be called a fake then?

The gig is up KIm, let it go. She aint worth it.

jojoseph
Aug 5th, 2003, 04:40 AM
Look if Justine wins her matches by calling the trainer than what does that say for her opponents?


Probably something along the lines of "they didn't play as well".


What Justine did on Saturday was legal in tennis. It was up to Kim to remained focused. What does this have to do with them both battling it out in the third set anyway?


I'm not disputing that it was legal. Kim isn't either. Third set, what?


There is no guarantee that Kim was going to win the match as Justine has always posessed all those shots. Maybe Kim was lucky that Justine was off her game that first set?


What an excellent final. I saw something from Kim that I've rarely seen. In the first when she was owning Justine for the first few games, she was taking the ball extremely early. I've only seen a small handful of players hit the ball so early with Serena being one of them. She was practically taking the ball right off the ground. Not only does that take extremely good timing, but you have to have precision on your shots since there is little chance for error. The thing about it is that Justine's timing was thrown off because she didn't realize how fast and early the ball was coming back to her. She was barely getting the ball back to the net. I wish I had it on tape, but my tape didn't tape right. If she could have played like that the entire match, she would have destroyed Justine. In fact, if she can play with that amount of intensity, confidence, and precision, she would crush anyone.

I don't know what happened, though, she seemed to just really get unsure of herself and her play and she just allowed Justine to get back in it. Kim needs to be more mentally tough and she can really dominate. Good job to Justine for staying confident, though. She seemed to have gotten in a zone whereby she felt she was gonna beat Kim no matter what. I think the blisters break had no effect on Kim.


All I know is that people state this dumb shit about Venus and Serena. That they always fake injuries. A player can have a blister and get it patched and still be able to win a match. The same with an abdominal strain.


Well, I think it all falls along the lines of credibility. Once someone loses credibility, people tend not to totally believe right off the bat what that player says and does.


People act like if you call the trainer that the healthy person will and IS supposed to win.

Justine gets on my nerves, but I really don't think she did anything wrong Saturday. I just think Kim has sour grapes. Which is understandable.

Once again, Kim wasn't complaining, she was describing the situation as she saw it. She specifically said that Justine played better in the second and third and didn't reference to the injury when she said that.

harloo
Aug 5th, 2003, 04:42 AM
When has Kim ever accused anyone of gamesmanship?

I think since she has never come out and said something like this she is telling the truth.

And the Serena loss at the AO was even more tougher than this one, but she did say Serena cheated?

NOPE!

Face it! Justine may be a winner, but she is a cheater also. And her reputation will go down in history as someone who was not honest.

Berlin_Calling
Aug 5th, 2003, 04:43 AM
Have you guys not experienced blisters before??
I always get blisters on my feet from playing too much tennis on a hard hard court. Yeah, they hurt like a mother sometimes but I don't think about them while Im playing a point. I don't let them bother me when Im running for a ball but they start to hurt when you think about them between points.

It's so stupid how people are sayign that she faked because she didn't show any signs of pain in the first set. Even if Justine cried, you guys would be saying she was acting and making a lame excuse for losing that first set. You know, blisters do get worse when you play on a hot hard court for a while so maybe Justine called the trainer because they were getting worse, because Kim was making her run soo much.

theultimateone
Aug 5th, 2003, 04:58 AM
Kim is correct in her assessment of Justine. Justine is a lying, cold-hearted wench, and unless her feet are falling off I wouldn't believe a damn word that comes out of her mouth. Justine used that time out in order to regroup. I don't believe for a minute her foot was bothering her. Sure, her foot was taped and she knew the audience could see that, but the way she was running around there is no way a blister was bothering her foot.

Unfortunately, Kim being the more human of the two allowed her caring nature to take over. Hopefully, this match has taught Kim a great lesson--that if her opponent, especially Justine, is acting as if she is hurt; to continue playing her heart out until the last ball has been struck. Serena learned this about Justine at the FO, and believe me Serena won't allow that lying piece of sh@t to trick her again.

Kim may not be an angel, but she hasn't been proven the LYING, CHEATING BITCH that Justine has shown herself. And people are feeling sorry for her because her father and brothers are "estranged" from her. Now that her real character is being revealed, who can blame them. The common denominator her father and brothers have is JUSTINE, so it is obvious to me she is the fucking problem.

janjan
Aug 5th, 2003, 05:57 AM
It's so stupid how people are sayign that she faked because she didn't show any signs of pain in the first set. Even if Justine cried, you guys would be saying she was acting and making a lame excuse for losing that first set. You know, blisters do get worse when you play on a hot hard court for a while so maybe Justine called the trainer because they were getting worse, because Kim was making her run soo much.

Tottaly I agree.Blisters are getting worse,it's very normal.
Why pepple are complaining about it?:confused:

treufreund
Aug 5th, 2003, 06:06 AM
OMG! Kim is in the wrong. She knows exactly what she is doing. She is trying to get in Justine's head and make her worry about taking legitimate injury timeouts. I have had BLEEDING blisters before and not thought about them during pts but you can bet if a trainer could come between sets to fix the tape on them which EVERYONE SAW THAT THEY HAD BEEN TAPED BEFOREHAND that I would do so. Justine then came out and took it to kim. Kim also accused or implied that Venus was faking her injury at wimby. STOP THIS CHILDISH WHINING KIM!

jojoseph
Aug 5th, 2003, 06:37 AM
OMG! Kim is in the wrong. She knows exactly what she is doing. She is trying to get in Justine's head and make her worry about taking legitimate injury timeouts. I have had BLEEDING blisters before and not thought about them during pts but you can bet if a trainer could come between sets to fix the tape on them which EVERYONE SAW THAT THEY HAD BEEN TAPED BEFOREHAND that I would do so. Justine then came out and took it to kim. Kim also accused or implied that Venus was faking her injury at wimby. STOP THIS CHILDISH WHINING KIM!

Since when is Kim trying to get inside someone else's head. :confused:

Is that even possible? :confused:

Come-on-kim
Aug 5th, 2003, 07:33 AM
well this is an interesting case in what the important thing is who says something and not what they say.

Justine called a medical time out, which is within[b/] the rules, she had blisters, they were showed on tv and the WTA trainer could verify that.

Whether Kim thinks it wasn't hurting it's irrelevant, Justine has been criticized for asuming what other players think, but it's ok for Kim to decide what other players feel :rolleyes:

Justine has been criticized for ages because she accused Davenport of faking injuries (which was wrong IMO), now Kim does [b]exactly the same and it's right because it's nice Kimmy.

I might remind everyone that she considers it's wrong for a player to pull out of a match unless they broke a leg or something. Well, Serena, Davenport, Dokic and nearly every player have pull out of matches because of an injury and when they weren't playing the next week, so should we take Kim's word as the wholy truth and accuse all those players of being bad sports? :confused:

or Kim's words are to be taken seriously only when they refer to Justine, even when it's obvious she is wrong. I don't think she deserves to be crucified for that, many players including Justine had said stuff like that, but to take that as "Kim can't do/say anything wrong" is frankly stupid.
Lindsay couldn't run anymore at the end, she just did fantastic returns!

Here, Henin was running EVERY balls down without any problems!!!!!

Come-on-kim
Aug 5th, 2003, 07:34 AM
Kim rocks!!! I totally agree with her!

matthias
Aug 5th, 2003, 08:16 AM
finally, she show us her true face

spudrsca
Aug 5th, 2003, 08:37 AM
How stupid is Kim?
Justine had blisters at wimbledon 2001 and still beat Capriati in the semi-finals.
And what about her comments after Rosmalen this year.
She said in the flemish press, I don't know how serious is her injury and if it was needed to retire :rolleyes:
WTF, maybe she would have been happier if Justine aggravated her injury by slipping in this match just before Wimbledon in a tierIII tournament :rolleyes:

What bother Kim in my opinion is that til now, the media was full of praise for her and that Justine played always like shit against her and chokes.
But now, Justine has a slam and won 3 out of last 4 matches against her and has always won the finals against her apart from Rosmalen when Justine retires.
When I watched matches of Justine of Canvas, I was mad.
They could'nt resist to talk at how Kim that, how Kim this even when it's Justine who is playing and not KIm :mad: :mad: :mad:

minboy
Aug 5th, 2003, 09:17 AM
i cannot believe it : it's kim who's acting bitchy in this story and people still find a way to bash justine!!

imagine if kim had won the match after losing the first and then taking an injury time out , then justine saying what kim said yesterday........

you can't stand justine winning, admit it!

surfinggirl
Aug 5th, 2003, 09:22 AM
WTF is this shit? I hate the bashing on Justine! She didn't do anything wrong. Blisters can be hard, but like someone already said you don't feel them when you're playing but youdo when you don't do anything.
I also have many blisters, and I don't play tennis, I play volleybal. But can I help it that I have blisters? NO? Can Justine help it? NO? Justine is getting the better player of the two of them and Kim can't stand it!
Before the final begun Kim tought she would get Justine in two straight sets and get that number 1 position.
But now she didn't so far, didn't won a grand slam like justine, didn't defeat serene 2 time this year like justine, and didn't win any finals against justine this year, except for the retirement, so she's fed up with and can't stand it. So she looks for an excuse! It's a shame!
I didn't even like Kim but now I'm about to hate her! Maybe that's not nice, but I won't symphatize with her anymore! You can bashing people because they are ranked under you but win more???? Be serious all of you!
And if someone thinks that Justine does it in every match, thatn come to me I have all the matches on tape and there is only one where justine does that in rosmalen 2003 and she retires! So who's the lying bitch now?
And who was it that in the final of berlin 2003 had to get a bandage after she lost the first set and than came back on court and run like hell after all those balls? Right Kim did! And she almost won that final, because she tought it would get justine like it got her in the SF of Zurich last year against Davenport. Justine stated that she finds it hard to play against a player who's hurt?? Kim did it, not Justine, so she should better look at her self!!
And what about Kim her truly self?? She would stay the same if she would become number one, but she faces a true challenge from Justine and she can't cope with it so she starts to talk bad things about justine, cause she knows and many players know that you can get justine just in her head, but not anymore! Now justine knows what they all think of them, let's watch out for her! Cause now she is on a roll! And I hope she'll win some many more matches against Kim! Justine was just the better player last week and for the first time she is and all people (players and fans) can't understand it that she beat Kim on hardcourt and start saying bad things about her??
I never said a bad thing about Kim when I was actually a fan of Justine, but now??
You are all so bad that you just accept what Kim's says! If Justine is wrong I will admitt it, but she's not so people just accept that she just was better that Kim last week!!

Save yourself some pride!

tennischick
Aug 5th, 2003, 12:11 PM
didn't Justine pull this stunt against Lindsay a few months ago? i remember it well but i can't remember which tourny it was.

Josh
Aug 5th, 2003, 12:23 PM
Kim seems to be bothered by the fact that she can't beat Justine in a final unless she has to retire. Frustration doesn't suit you Kim.

Hulet
Aug 5th, 2003, 12:49 PM
When the nicest person in the tour criticizes(sp?) your attitude, you must really have a problem. Justine need to take a look at herself and stop blaming others for her bad behaviours.

Schalckske
Aug 5th, 2003, 12:51 PM
When the nicest person in the tour criticizes(sp?) your attitude, you must really have a problem. Justine need to take a look at herself and stop blaming others for her bad behaviours.

that's just the problem, kim is the nicest, so she is right :rolleyes:

Rocketta
Aug 5th, 2003, 01:44 PM
:lol:

Ok, see Justine fans when you were saying the hand incident at FO was no big deal. It was only one point and not important people tried to point out the bigger ramifications of it. Here it is. Nobody believes a word Justine says. Her credibility is shot when she does anything questionable. No one trusts her to be a honest person in her actions on the tennis court. Well at least the person she has known in this profession the longest doesn't. I also think the FO has allowed other players to not hold their tongue any longer because Justine's "questionable" ethics were on display for everyone to see at the FO. It doesn't matter if her injury time-out is completely legit or not. Justine is going to have to "earn" the players trust because clearly it's shot right now.

That is what the hand incident has done for Justine. She got what she wanted there now she and her fans are just going to have to live with the "mistrust" that comes along with it or work to build it back up.

Pureracket
Aug 5th, 2003, 01:51 PM
How interesting to see the vocal Williams fans take sides on this matter. It's like a division between hate for Justine and hate for Kim.

It's hilarious how insecure some posters feel without the presence of Williams fans. . . .LOL

Pinkie
Aug 5th, 2003, 01:53 PM
I am a Kim fan and I have no problem admitting she was a sore loser last week. She was really pissed off for losing, and unlike other times, showed it during the trophy ceremony and press conference. Normally, she sticks to giving her opponents praise (which she also did this time).

I don't know what made her so dissapoined this time. I'm sure she is upset at herself: her last matches in her last three tournaments were against players who were hurt: Justine is Rosmalen, then Venus in Wimbledon, then Capriati in Bank of the West Classic. And she hasn't don't the greatest job dealing with opponent's injuries. And she knows she is going to have to learn how to deal with players who don't just play tennis to win, but will try to pull every trick out of the hat. And the number one discussion has to be a contributor.

Kim is one tough cookie. Although she can't expect everyone to be as tough as she is, I don't blame her for getting impatient with players like Henin who when she hurt her finger cried like her hand needed to be amputated (and then had not problem lifting a heavy trophy with it).

bandabou
Aug 5th, 2003, 01:54 PM
Hmmmm, Kimmie´s starting to get frustrated!! And what happened to the sisterly love between the two?!

Lady
Aug 5th, 2003, 02:02 PM
Well, if Lindsey & Kim will play in final this week, I think Lindsey should take some injury time-out, then she will win the final, for sure!! If Kim can't deal with 5 minutes more rest, the rest of the players should use it!!

gladysharon
Aug 5th, 2003, 02:20 PM
WTF is this shit? I hate the bashing on Justine! She didn't do anything wrong. Blisters can be hard, but like someone already said you don't feel them when you're playing but youdo when you don't do anything.
I also have many blisters, and I don't play tennis, I play volleybal. But can I help it that I have blisters? NO? Can Justine help it? NO? Justine is getting the better player of the two of them and Kim can't stand it!
Before the final begun Kim tought she would get Justine in two straight sets and get that number 1 position.
But now she didn't so far, didn't won a grand slam like justine, didn't defeat serene 2 time this year like justine, and didn't win any finals against justine this year, except for the retirement, so she's fed up with and can't stand it. So she looks for an excuse! It's a shame!
I didn't even like Kim but now I'm about to hate her! Maybe that's not nice, but I won't symphatize with her anymore! You can bashing people because they are ranked under you but win more???? Be serious all of you!
And if someone thinks that Justine does it in every match, thatn come to me I have all the matches on tape and there is only one where justine does that in rosmalen 2003 and she retires! So who's the lying bitch now?
And who was it that in the final of berlin 2003 had to get a bandage after she lost the first set and than came back on court and run like hell after all those balls? Right Kim did! And she almost won that final, because she tought it would get justine like it got her in the SF of Zurich last year against Davenport. Justine stated that she finds it hard to play against a player who's hurt?? Kim did it, not Justine, so she should better look at her self!!
And what about Kim her truly self?? She would stay the same if she would become number one, but she faces a true challenge from Justine and she can't cope with it so she starts to talk bad things about justine, cause she knows and many players know that you can get justine just in her head, but not anymore! Now justine knows what they all think of them, let's watch out for her! Cause now she is on a roll! And I hope she'll win some many more matches against Kim! Justine was just the better player last week and for the first time she is and all people (players and fans) can't understand it that she beat Kim on hardcourt and start saying bad things about her??
I never said a bad thing about Kim when I was actually a fan of Justine, but now??
You are all so bad that you just accept what Kim's says! If Justine is wrong I will admitt it, but she's not so people just accept that she just was better that Kim last week!!

Save yourself some pride!


WOW Surfinggirl!! I'm so impressed!! And you hit the jackpot! :worship: :worship:

gladysharon
Aug 5th, 2003, 02:23 PM
Kim is one tough cookie. Although she can't expect everyone to be as tough as she is, I don't blame her for getting impatient with players like Henin who when she hurt her finger cried like her hand needed to be amputated (and then had not problem lifting a heavy trophy with it).
:rolleyes:

the cat
Aug 5th, 2003, 02:33 PM
TC, Lindsay Davenport has had problems with Justine Henin on 2 occasions. Last year at the Swiss Indoors and this year at the Australian Open. Last year in Switzerland Henin questioned Davenport about her injuries. And this year in Oz, Lindsay thought Justine was embellishing her cramps. I don't know too many people who would question Davenport's credibility. So Justine must have done something to unnerve Lindsay.

I never knew Justine was such a tough competitor. :eek: I only wish my favorite tennis players had her comptetive edge and strong desire to win. Combine Justine's tremendous talent with her great desire to win and you've got quite a tennis player!

Come-on-kim
Aug 5th, 2003, 03:10 PM
Yeah! in La Dernière Heure they reported some more comments we haven't seen on the board Kim said "I have no problems to admit that Justine was the better player in the 2nd and 3rd set but...." and we already the end!

*JR*
Aug 5th, 2003, 03:53 PM
Hold it, Kimmy! http://www.panicware.com/images/productimages/IMGProLogo.gif :p

persond
Aug 5th, 2003, 05:09 PM
How interesting to see the vocal Williams fans take sides on this matter. It's like a division between hate for Justine and hate for Kim.


TennisHack,

As a Williams fan, I take offense to your statement on how vocal some Williams fans have responded to this issue. Firstly, Williams fans are just as human as other fans, and have decided on their own, the merits of the issue as they see it. Not unlike the many other fans of tennis have. Secondly, your insistence that Williams fans either hate one or the other of the Belgians is just plain bullshit from you. People tend to make up their own minds about liking or disliking players by the way the players act. There is no collusion by Williams fans to hate the Belgians. I personnally dislike Justine for what she's done in the past and that dislike seems to be well founded by the current incident with Kim. But, again, that is MY feelings toward Justine, not the Williams fans. You seem to have a problem in distinguishing among fans of a player and their own personal feelings versus what you perceive as the Williams fans and their feelings/beliefs. Stop accusing an entire fan base for what one or two fans might do or think.

Your making off the wall blanket statements about a fan base only makes you seem uninformed and really quite stupid.

Dawn Marie
Aug 5th, 2003, 05:20 PM
Well stated persond and thank you. I just didn't feel like debating with that idiot last night.:)

mboyle
Aug 5th, 2003, 08:50 PM
hhhmmmmm..... let me think! jen was trashing her ass til little Mrs. Herpe hole called a trainer 4 her "blisters" she's a lyin' piece of trash, and i hope Lindzi/Serena/Jen/Kim waste her ass in the locker room :devil:

LMAO:lol: !!! Little Mrs. Herpe Hole:lol: .

Martian KC
Aug 5th, 2003, 09:08 PM
It's ok if your jealous, clijsters!:lol:

maccardel
Aug 5th, 2003, 09:20 PM
This Justine never fails.......I tell you first it was Lindsay, then serena and now Venus...why doesn't she pick on Venus? Oh I forgot.........

I see another bag upside her head at the usopen in the locker room....except that everyone will be volunteering to take blame for it........to pick on Kim is almost suicidal........I just can't stand her now I know why and she just backs up my feelings for her everytime.....

SJW
Aug 5th, 2003, 09:23 PM
Cari where is that damn popcorn smilie??

just PLEASE keep bringing the drama people.....im a sad sad person....im enjoying this controversy that for once doesnt involve a sister WAYYYYYY too much :(

Martian KC
Aug 5th, 2003, 09:29 PM
Hey willifans, I really do believe in karma now. :wavey: :tape:

maccardel
Aug 5th, 2003, 09:33 PM
In this situation if one person says something is wrong you have some doubt about it but when three people or players in this case say you are wrong then there is a problem.....I don't see Kim, Lindsay and serena teaming up to get Justine.......first they all want the number one ranking and second they have nothing to gain by teaming up on her.....Justine will come unravel at the seams when she is scheduled to play a final and the other player doesn't show up and leaves her standing on the court looking stupid......and embarrassed........when this happens more that once as a sign of boycott then the wta will start doing something about her "cheating ass" . Kim is right. It takes alot from tennis when the player cheats and in this case the player is using the rules to her advantage and have no qualms about it.......she had the balls to say that it's not her fault the umpire didn't see her hand, what kinda shit is that? what ever happened to honesty and sportsmanship? She is really doing what no one expects of her.......that is why I don't like her matches cos she is bitter and dishonest and envy others and acts like a midget with a complex....so long to the

Hawk
Aug 5th, 2003, 09:33 PM
Cari where is that damn popcorn smilie??

just PLEASE keep bringing the drama people.....im a sad sad person....im enjoying this controversy that for once doesnt involve a sister WAYYYYYY too much :(

lol..I'm glad you're having fun :p :lol:

Schalckske
Aug 5th, 2003, 09:38 PM
In this situation if one person says something is wrong you have some doubt about it but when three people or players in this case say you are wrong then there is a problem.....I don't see Kim, Lindsay and serena teaming up to get Justine.......

So, here you use the incident with lindsay against justine, which is completely understandable, imo most justine-fans admit it was wrong of justine...
But, kim has made pretty much the same comments as justine did against lindsay, and suddenly, it's not wrong of kim to say this, justine is the bitch :confused:

sounds logic to me :confused:

maccardel
Aug 5th, 2003, 10:06 PM
So, here you use the incident with lindsay against justine, which is completely understandable, imo most justine-fans admit it was wrong of justine...
But, kim has made pretty much the same comments as justine did against lindsay, and suddenly, it's not wrong of kim to say this, justine is the bitch :confused:

sounds logic to me :confused:

JUstine is the bitch in the situation for her response to Kim's comments. Did you see the story on http://www.cnnsi.com/tennis ?

I don't like her approach cos it only goes to say that she will do whatever it is to win.....only thing is what is the whatever that she will do? It scares me as to what lengths she is capable of and the words from carlos mouth after the french open only goes to confirm my fears.......imagine if she cannot get to number one cos of a certain player.........what will she do?

*JR*
Aug 5th, 2003, 10:13 PM
when this happens more that once as a sign of boycott then the wta will start doing something about her "cheating ass" . Kim is right. It takes alot from tennis when the player cheats and in this case the player is using the rules to her advantage and have no qualms about it.......she had the balls to say that it's not her fault the umpire didn't see her hand, what kinda shit is that? what ever happened to honesty and sportsmanship? She is really doing what no one expects of her.......that is why I don't like her matches cos she is bitter and dishonest and envy others and acts like a midget with a complex....so long to the
So she couldn't use you're old sig. here that "...we should not fuck is the truth"? :p

Schalckske
Aug 5th, 2003, 10:19 PM
JUstine is the bitch in the situation for her response to Kim's comments. Did you see the story on http://www.cnnsi.com/tennis ?


I'm sorry, i've read the article several times, and i really don't see the bitchy part from justines side. Maybe it's because english isn't my native language, maybe it's because there isn't a bitchy part :confused:
Would you please quote me the bitchy part, i just don't see it

maccardel
Aug 5th, 2003, 10:23 PM
So she couldn't use you're old sig. here that "...we should not fuck is the truth"? :p

Kim cannot fuck the truth no matter how nice she is....if justine cheats then kim has to say it.....just as simple....there are just some things you can't deny.

maccardel
Aug 5th, 2003, 10:24 PM
I'm sorry, i've read the article several times, and i really don't see the bitchy part from justines side. Maybe it's because english isn't my native language, maybe it's because there isn't a bitchy part :confused:
Would you please quote me the bitchy part, i just don't see it

Well read it again cos I am not bout to play school here........too tired.

Hawk
Aug 5th, 2003, 10:25 PM
JUstine is the bitch in the situation for her response to Kim's comments. Did you see the story on http://www.cnnsi.com/tennis ?

I don't like her approach cos it only goes to say that she will do whatever it is to win.....only thing is what is the whatever that she will do? It scares me as to what lengths she is capable of and the words from carlos mouth after the french open only goes to confirm my fears.......imagine if she cannot get to number one cos of a certain player.........what will she do?

If you're implying she'll go all Tonya Harding on someone's ass I seriously doubt it. :p

Jen'sFan
Aug 5th, 2003, 10:41 PM
Just as long as Kim isn't bitter about her defeat! Players get injuries all the time. If she thinks Justine does it all the time then she should be used to it. Other players like Serena, Venus wouldnt let it affect them. Kim does and thats nothing to do with anyone else.

*JR*
Aug 5th, 2003, 11:43 PM
JUstine is the bitch in the situation for her response to Kim's comments. Did you see the story on http://www.cnnsi.com/tennis ?


Bad blood (from the link above)

Three weeks before the U.S. Open, the bond between Belgians Kim Clijsters and Justine Henin-Hardenne is weakening fast. Henin-Hardenne beat Clijsters on Sunday to win the Acura Classic, but Clijsters is seeking to continue her push for the No. 1 rank this week in the JP Morgan Chase Open.Neil Sedaka - Bad Blood
(written by: Neil Sedaka and Phil Cody)

It coulda been me - but it was you
Who went and bit off a little bit more than he could chew
You said that you had it made, but you been had
The woman no good, no how, thinkin' maybe the blood is bad

Bad blood
The woman was born to lie
Makes promises she can't keep
With the wink on an eye

Bad blood
Brother, you've been deceived
It's bound to change you mind
About all that you believe

From where I stand, it looks mighty strange
How you let a woman like that treat you like - small change
I don't understand - what you're lookin' to find
The only thing bad blood do is mess up a good man's mind

Bad blood
The bitch is in her smile
The lie is on her lips
Such an evil child

Bad blood
Is takin' you for a ride
The only good thing about bad blood
Is lettin' it slide

Bad blood
The bitch is in her smile
The lie is on her lips
Such an evil child :devil: