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Car Key Boi
Aug 5th, 2003, 12:52 AM
uying a soccer team

which team would yuo recommend buying, and why?

leave out teams like Real Madrid and Manchester United coz they are already at full market capacity. I'm talking about teams that already have the infrastructure, the stadium, a large fan base and so on, but the team is under achieving but with a huge program of investment, they have the POTENTIAL to be a major team that can be marketed all across the world

so i guess we can confine the selections to Spain, UK, Italy and possibly Germany coz i don't think the TV rights for a team from say, Russia, would sell in somewhere like Japan, S Korea, America etc.

Cassius
Aug 5th, 2003, 12:56 AM
Aston Villa - full of potential, but major under-achievers over the last decade. But have the 'potential' to be massive.

Ditto Tottenham, Birmingham and Wolves.

Car Key Boi
Aug 5th, 2003, 01:05 AM
Aston Villa - full of potential, but major under-achievers over the last decade. But have the 'potential' to be massive.

Ditto Tottenham, Birmingham and Wolves.

funny yuo mentioned Aston Villa, but do they/can they ever have a sexy image like Real Madrid or Barcelona? Would, say the Chinese soccer fan tards buy their replica shirts by the million?

same question for those other teams yuo mentioned

kiwifan
Aug 5th, 2003, 01:14 AM
I only have personal knowledge of one team.

Bochum in the German top league.

They are a middle of the road team but they have a good fan base (from my memory of them at least when I was there) and in modern Euro soccer it doesn't really matter which team you buy if you're willing to pay out the ass for ringer players.

The primary goal, for your investors, is to get into the game so any mid level club in the top leagues would probably be the way to go.

Avoid the English, Italian and Spanish leagues because they are stacked (talent, exposure, fan expectations) and there is no where to go but down.

Go German and make sure they have a commitment to have buy at least 6 non-German "stars" to bring into the team.

Assuming your "investors" are S. American they probably aready have some idea of unknown local talent that will thrive in Europe.

Only question mark is who the heck has clean money in S. America these days that they can waste on Euro soccer (which financially as a whole is on the decline - rich get richer).

It really is a bad investment over all if you aren't committed to paying for a "Barcelona/Real Madrid" type roster and then paying even more in massive publicity (see Man U for an example there).

Plus after spending all that spec money; you have to win!!!

In American terms, Bochum would be like buying the Carolina Panthers and blowing your wad in free agency, adding another wad of cash in publicity (Dallas/Raiders style) and then making it all work on the field.

Too many variables, including that there are already established "golden franchises" out there.

If its a friend, tell them they are better off investing in a new sport and growing it themselves (of course I am refering to rugby which is big $$$ in all the "right countries" but has astronomical growth potential in every country outside of the UK, France, New Zealand and Australia).

Cassius
Aug 5th, 2003, 01:18 AM
funny yuo mentioned Aston Villa, but do they/can they ever have a sexy image like Real Madrid or Barcelona? Would, say the Chinese soccer fan tards buy their replica shirts by the million?

same question for those other teams yuo mentioned
True, Villa and Birmingham will never be considered 'sexy' clubs. Wolves probably never will be either. You see, Villa, Birmingham and Wolves are all Birmingham teams, and Birmingham is NOT a sexy place.
But Tottenham (a London club) used to be a sexy club, so it stands to reason that they could be again in the future (though not to the extent of Man Utd and Real Madrid).

JoeyWinson3.0
Aug 5th, 2003, 01:28 AM
Belper Town FC. (official website soon to be set up on www.belpertownfc.co.uk , or alternatively there is my message board at www.belpertownsupporters.co.uk)

Get us to the Conference North, aided by the Belper Town loyal supporters collective that is The Behind The Goal Massive, led by some loudmouth geeza with a drum (dunno who that is;)) singing without ANY doubt the greatest collection of football songs ever sung by anyone ever.. Shirts will sell anywhere, everyone likes Yellow... it dazzles and excites.

Realistically... Why not wipe out Derby County's £20 million pound debt, take over, get rid of the board, you then have a VERY VERY loyal fanbase with a 32,000 all seater stadium (Pride Park is one of the best places to watch a footy match in the country), a training and youth academy (just completed) that is the envy of many clubs in England. Derby won the English league in 1972 and 1975 and have since become somewhat of a fallen giant, they have George Burley at the helm who was voted Manager of the Year in England by fellow managers for his exploits with Ipswich three seasons ago.Official site is at www.dcfc.co.uk or visit a damn good supporters message board at http://www.popside.com

As you can see I'm f**king desperate to see my fave two teams do well... thats what footy does to ya.

Car Key Boi
Aug 5th, 2003, 03:59 AM
thanks for the replies, keep em coming especially any teams that are listed securities like Manchester, but other than Manchester. And what about Spanish teams?

Car Key Boi
Aug 5th, 2003, 04:01 AM
ahh, Tottenham is listed on the LSE, very interesting

Lord Chips
Aug 5th, 2003, 07:52 AM
Queens Park Rangers

Get us out of Division 2, keep Ollie, Birch, Shittu and Clarke Carlise on board. Back them up with quality signings and we'll be back in the premiership in no time.

Oh and will need a new stadium

DunkMachine
Aug 5th, 2003, 08:58 AM
Forget the spaniards and the brits, dutch is the way to go.

I'd say you should check out NAC Breda here in the Netherlands. They're a team full of talent and potential. Some of these talents have played for the AFC Ajax-youthteams (a club that is renowned for developing talented players). NAC is a perfect example of being both small and underachieving. Players like Bobson, Engelaar and Stefano Seedorf are going to make NAC alot of money when they get transferred.

skanky~skanketta
Aug 5th, 2003, 09:22 AM
liverpool!!!!and oxford.

Halardfan
Aug 5th, 2003, 09:51 AM
Manchester City!

Ok so Im biased as a City fan, but there is vast potential at the club...

* Large, devoted fanbase already exists in Manchester...at least as many people in Manchester support City as their better known neighbours, United...Manchester is the third biggest City in the country. City's potential outside Manchester is unexploited.

* Decent amount of success in decades gone by...including on the European stage

* History as a crowd pleasing, attacking, cavaliar side.

* Just moving into a brand new, state of the art, 48,000 seat stadium.

* Loyalty - Despite some awful seasons in recent years our fans are among the most loyal you'll find anywhere...even when we were in middle of the second division, we pulled in crowds of 28,000+...numbers which would be the envy of a few Premiership clubs. However bad things get, people will still come and watch!

* Decent squad finished 9th in the Premiership last season and will play in Europe this year...beat Man United as well! :)

Emola
Aug 5th, 2003, 12:23 PM
I'm being biassed too and going for Liverpool ;) I mean Michael Owen is also a huge star around most of the world, he's easy marketing! Even though we don't play the most exciting football if anyone buys us maybe in 2 years time they can tempt Zidane out of retiring from football! :p Its a big club known to many football fans worldwide. But really if you have so much money you could basically take over almost any team you want to.

gentenaire
Aug 5th, 2003, 01:04 PM
Forget the European teams, go for Japan. Ever since the World Cup, football has become very popular in Japan. Euro football can only go down, Japanese football can rise a lot. They've shown in the WC that they can play. Japanese generally love big names, big brands. Japan's a big country, a large market. And the other Eastern countries might look up more to Japanese teams than European ones.

Colin B
Aug 5th, 2003, 01:18 PM
Buy, buy, buy.........Brighton and Hove Albion F.C. - aka 'The Seagulls'!

Funky seaside city, much less 'up it's own arse' than cities like London and Manchester.

Local councillors will sell their souls to anyone with outrageous ideas and a large wad of cash and planning permission imminent for a flashy new stadium.


Downside:

Currently more stars in the stands (led by Norman 'Fat Boy Slim' Cook, who's company Skint Records is team sponsor), than on the pitch.

Colin B
Aug 5th, 2003, 01:23 PM
Forget the European teams, go for Japan.

Good point from Tine.

All you have to do then is buy Beckham. He is a god in the Orient.

Emola
Aug 5th, 2003, 01:34 PM
Good idea Jonathan! Somebody save Fiorentina :sad: turn them back into a top Serie A side! That would be great to see :)

JoeyWinson3.0
Aug 5th, 2003, 01:57 PM
Em... Fiorentina ARE being saved. They are no longer known as Florenzia Viola after the new owner bought the name back of Fiorentina. They got promoted last year and with the massive crowds thy get they may go wall the way back to the top division.

gg
Aug 5th, 2003, 04:07 PM
Tottenham are a good bet. They were once one of the top five clubs in England and are in central London which attracts foreign players. They are now massively under-achieving.

Sunderland are provincial and unsexy but have a great stadium and a fanatical support. They have just been relegated to the division below and could be ripe for a takeoover.

Emola
Aug 5th, 2003, 05:51 PM
Em... Fiorentina ARE being saved. They are no longer known as Florenzia Viola after the new owner bought the name back of Fiorentina. They got promoted last year and with the massive crowds thy get they may go wall the way back to the top division.

I remember you saying :) but do you think they can get back how they were?

SJW
Aug 5th, 2003, 06:15 PM
I'm being biassed too and going for Liverpool ;) I mean Michael Owen is also a huge star around most of the world, he's easy marketing! Even though we don't play the most exciting football if anyone buys us maybe in 2 years time they can tempt Zidane out of retiring from football! :p Its a big club known to many football fans worldwide. But really if you have so much money you could basically take over almost any team you want to.

i agree with everything my fellow 'Pool fanatic says ;)

vamos the Reds!

Emola
Aug 5th, 2003, 06:24 PM
i agree with everything my fellow 'Pool fanatic says ;)

vamos the Reds!

:D I thought so! ;) hey I didn't realise I was in your sig! :kiss: good stuff lol