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TeeRexx
Aug 4th, 2003, 07:49 PM
In the U.S., at this time, a potential blockbuster case is brewing over the charges of a woman claiming to have been raped by basketball player, Kobe Bryant.

So I wondered, are there statuory rape laws outside of the U.S.?
Anna Kournikova was having sex with 28+ year old men between the ages of 16-18 and no one seemed to car, including her parents.

Kim Clijsters was doing it with Hewitt when she was 17 and not a single protest was brought.

In real life the sex partners of those girls would have been jailed.
Is there a hidden double standard for famous women, in that they are not considered rape victims as other girls in the America?

Dava
Aug 4th, 2003, 07:50 PM
In Russia you're legal when your 15, and I think in Belgian since your 16. Whats the age of concent in America?

Josh
Aug 4th, 2003, 07:50 PM
Consent being the key word here.

Cariaoke
Aug 4th, 2003, 07:51 PM
in America, the age of consent varies by state but the average is 16, the lowest being 10 and the highest being 18.

King Satan
Aug 4th, 2003, 07:52 PM
10???? :eek: what state is that???

here in cali, it's 18

fried_beans
Aug 4th, 2003, 07:53 PM
10? LMFAO wheres taht?

Volcana
Aug 4th, 2003, 07:55 PM
10???? :eek: what state is that???

here in cali, it's 18

Think it's Delaware.

Up to the mid-1970's, their age of 'consent', was 7.

TeeRexx
Aug 4th, 2003, 07:55 PM
The legal age of consent in most of the U.S is 18, unless one has a declaration from the courts giving one that right at no less than 16.

Keith
Aug 4th, 2003, 07:56 PM
10 is inaccurate. Delaware is 16/18 male to female.

Dava
Aug 4th, 2003, 07:58 PM
So where is this 10 one, or is it just like, you cant have oral sex in such and such a state though no-one ever remebers which state or how its enforced.

gentenaire
Aug 4th, 2003, 07:59 PM
jealous, Tee?

Cariaoke
Aug 4th, 2003, 08:00 PM
the age of ten was like in some northern state, I want to say north dakota but this was back in '96. I've yet to care enough to look up if they still have this rule.

go here for more info: http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_consent

United States: varies from state to state, usually between 16 and 18; some states forbid homosexual acts entirely, however such laws have been declared unconstitutional in Lawrence v. Texas. Federal law forbids crossing state lines or international borders with the intent of having sex with a person who is under 16 and at least 4 years younger than the perpetrator (18 U.S.C. 2243, 18 U.S.C. 2423)

Juju_fan
Aug 4th, 2003, 08:00 PM
In Belgium I think it's 16, or is it 14 now? I'm not sure :confused:

Maybe it's in the Netherlands that the limit is 14...

griffin
Aug 4th, 2003, 08:03 PM
You become an adult at 18 - age of consent varies, and in most places it's irrelevant if your partner is also under that age (which is why teenagers don't tend to get prosecuted for having sex, and why Kim and Lleyton wouldn't be an issue)

Kournikova was rumored to have skipped the USO one year when local DA made noise about possible arresting her SO for statutory.

And in both cases, the relationships are/were consensual, which is NOT what is being alleged about Bryant's relationship with his accuser.

But don't let details or facts get in your way.

MartinaI
Aug 4th, 2003, 08:10 PM
In the U.S., at this time, a potential blockbuster case is brewing over the charges of a woman claiming to have been raped by basketball player, Kobe Bryant.

So I wondered, are there statuory rape laws outside of the U.S.?
Anna Kournikova was having sex with 28+ year old men between the ages of 16-18 and no one seemed to car, including her parents.

Kim Clijsters was doing it with Hewitt when she was 17 and not a single protest was brought.

In real life the sex partners of those girls would have been jailed.
Is there a hidden double standard for famous women, in that they are not considered rape victims as other girls in the America?

I am curious to know what is your proof that Anna and Kim were sleeping with their partners at these ages? Were you actually with them at the time? ;)

Ages of consent wildly differ around the world, USA is very very strict I think, most of Europe is 16. I do not see a problem 16 plus. In the UK there have been many cases of underage sex, it goes on all the time. If the girl gets pregnant the bloke is hardly ever jailed or punished in any way. In some cases an older teacher has carried on with an underage student and no action is taken in most of these cases. It's stupid really cos if there are laws then they should really be stuck to.

Hawk
Aug 4th, 2003, 08:10 PM
Yeah I remember that thing with Kournikova around the US Open..Fedorov is 10 years older than her.

btw the age of consent for Canada is 14..although I think they are trying to make it higher. Most people here are surprised that it's 14 :eek:

azza
Aug 4th, 2003, 08:12 PM
In Australia?

Josh
Aug 4th, 2003, 08:13 PM
Yeah I remember that thing with Kournikova around the US Open..Fedorov is 10 years older than her.

btw the age of consent for Canada is 14..although I think they are trying to make it higher. Most people here are surprised that it's 14 :eek:

Why make it higher when generally speaking teenagers are maturing earlier and have sex at an earlier age than a few decades ago?

TheBoiledEgg
Aug 4th, 2003, 08:16 PM
Hong Kong: gay 21, lesbian unknown, heterosexual females 16, heterosexual males 18

how they gonna work that one out ??? :lol: :lol:

Hawk
Aug 4th, 2003, 08:18 PM
Why make it higher when generally speaking teenagers are maturing earlier and have sex at an earlier age than a few decades ago?

Cause some people feel that 14 is too young..if you look at the world in general 14 is a very young age of consent. Most countries are around 16-17..pretty much all of the US is 16 or higher and alot of european countries as well.

irma
Aug 4th, 2003, 08:22 PM
Why make it higher when generally speaking teenagers are maturing earlier and have sex at an earlier age than a few decades ago?

yeah my niece got her period at 8 and that seems to happen more and more these days so it's not even only mental maturity :eek:

TonyP
Aug 4th, 2003, 08:24 PM
The Kobe case has nothing to do with voluntary romances.

Stop trying to claim selective prosecution.

You don't know anything about their relationships, but one thing you do know, neither Anna nor Kim claimed anyone raped them.

raquel
Aug 4th, 2003, 08:36 PM
Ladies Of The Court has a chapter about sex on the tour involving older coaches and young tennis players, including players who were raped. Here is a bit from the book
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A South American told me "My father handed me over to a man and sent me out on the circuit when I was sixteen. He told me to do whatever the coach said. So when he said we were staying in the same hotel room, then when he moved over to my bed, I didn't know how to say no"

An Eastern European, a tour veteran ranked in the top twenty, told me, "My coach has always been my lover" She didn't mean that she had always had the same coach - just that whoever coached her became her lover. It was a pattern that had started when she left home as a teenager with her Federation coach who controlled her fate. To lose his approval meant losing her place on the national team, losing her passport, her chance to travel to the West, win foreign currency, and help her family. When he demanded sex, how could she refuse?

I interviewed a coach from her country whose attitude suggested what she and the other girls had faced as teenagers. He said of a top-ten player he had trained, "She used to be a great lay. This was back when she was fifteen or sixteen. Then she went off on her own and turned into a lesbian.
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This book was written in 1991. I think the Eastern European top twenty veteran could be Manuela Maleeva who is from Bulgaria, she married her coach and became Swiss. The coach from her country could be Eric Van Harpen who is Swiss, and he trained Conchita who was a top ten player in 1991 and is a lesbian. Maybe I am wrong, but the book shows how common it is for older coaches to sleep with younger girls.

Hawk
Aug 4th, 2003, 08:41 PM
I interviewed a coach from her country whose attitude suggested what she and the other girls had faced as teenagers. He said of a top-ten player he had trained, "She used to be a great lay. This was back when she was fifteen or sixteen. Then she went off on her own and turned into a lesbian.


omg :eek:

irma
Aug 4th, 2003, 08:42 PM
I doubt it's a maleeva since her mother was captain of the bulgaria team right? I doubt a mother would allow something like that

raquel
Aug 4th, 2003, 08:44 PM
I doubt it's a maleeva since her mother was captain of the bulgaria team right? I doubt a mother would allow something like that
Yeah I thought that too but I was trying to connect the dots between a player marrying a coach, Eastern European, and a coach from her country who used to coach a top ten player who was a lesbian. I couldn't think of anyone else from 1991 that it could be, but you might remember someone Irma :)

Hurley
Aug 4th, 2003, 08:44 PM
It is not 18 all over the United States. In fact, the age of consent in most states is 16 or 17.

Venus Forever
Aug 4th, 2003, 08:46 PM
It's 17 here.

DA FOREHAND
Aug 4th, 2003, 08:46 PM
Kobe has been accused of sexual assault, not rape.

irma
Aug 4th, 2003, 08:51 PM
Yeah I thought that too but I was trying to connect the dots between a player marrying a coach, Eastern European, and a coach from her country who used to coach a top ten player who was a lesbian. I couldn't think of anyone else from 1991 that it could be, but you might remember someone Irma :)

I don't know but it doesn't have to be a player who married her coach.
it could also have been sukova or nav :eek:

the second case seems to be conchita for sure

TeeRexx
Aug 4th, 2003, 09:00 PM
Griff - I did not compare Koke's case with statuory rape incidents.

Also, even if a minor consents, the charge is still statuory rape. It is age and not consent which is important with this type of possible charge.

Martina1 - Are you a child?
A 28 year old man spent the night with a 16 year old Kournikova.Did they play Monopoly all night? :p
Also, Anna, said that she had sexual relations with men while under age 18.

JLDementieva
Aug 4th, 2003, 09:04 PM
Griff - I did not compare Koke's case with statuory rape incidents.

Also, even if a minor consents, the charge is still statuory rape. It is age and not consent which is important with this type of possible charge.

Martina1 - Are you a child?
A 28 year old man spent the night with a 16 year old Kournikova.Did they play Monopoly all night? :p
Also, Anna, said that she had sexual relations with men while under age 18.
I read somewhere a couple of years ago that said Anna was still a virgin, and that was during the time when she was with Fedorov.

alexusjonesfan
Aug 4th, 2003, 09:05 PM
lol, my friends need to be locked up. One of my friends is 21 and his girlfriend is 17 and yes they have sex :eek:

I should call the police right now :mad: How can he do this to his own girlfriend:eek:

irma
Aug 4th, 2003, 09:08 PM
you had such a story in the bold and the beautiful once :lol:

TeeRexx
Aug 4th, 2003, 09:12 PM
calestia - You are an accessory before and after the fact.
Phone the cops now or you could be charged with obstruction of justice. :)

So many laws to keep people from doing the nasty, eh? :eek: LOL

alexusjonesfan
Aug 4th, 2003, 09:19 PM
It gets worse TeeRexx...I was the one who set them up on their first date :eek:
The police are gonna think I masterminded this whole rape (actually series of rapes)
nobody say a word :fiery:

TeeRexx
Aug 4th, 2003, 09:24 PM
cales - Now I can add to your charges:

1. Pimping
2. Pandering
3. Contributing to the delinquency of a minor

Next you will tell me that you have filmed their encounters and have a pay per view web site. :eek: :)

You are going down babe. :)

decemberlove
Aug 4th, 2003, 09:27 PM
age of consent :rolleyes:

kids are going to do what they want to do.

and while kids may be maturing fast physically, that doesnt mean they are maturing fast emotionally. if anything, it seems to be the opposite right now. college now is to what high school was 30 years ago. some college kids act like theyre ten.

its 16 for both sexes in NJ. imo, its poor taste to have a different ages for gender/sexual orientation.

alexusjonesfan
Aug 4th, 2003, 09:30 PM
cales - Now I can add to your charges:

1. Pimping
2. Pandering
3. Contributing to the delinquency of a minor

Next you will tell me that you have filmed their encounters and have a pay per view web site. :eek: :)

You are going down babe. :)

*runs to basement to burn late night sex tapes and other evidence*

damn, good thing I'm not getting any right now...they'd think I'm running some sort of ho-cartel or something :lol:

what's your flava?

JackFrost
Aug 4th, 2003, 09:36 PM
Why make it higher when generally speaking teenagers are maturing earlier and have sex at an earlier age than a few decades ago?

Because not all 14 years old are so grown up like others. A few of them are still very naive in love-things. And to protect this kids (and they are still kids in my opinion), it needs laws.
In Germany you reach the legal age with 18.

THE NET
Aug 4th, 2003, 09:42 PM
Beleive me, Kim is still a VIRGIN!! :o
Not sure about Lleyton though!! ;)

TeeRexx
Aug 5th, 2003, 02:27 AM
18 seems to be the general logical and legal age to be able to legally consent to the the horizontal mombo in most of the Westernized world. :

Lets hope that the coaches and other athletes can wait 1 or 2 years before going after these high end babes. :)

disposablehero
Aug 5th, 2003, 02:33 AM
The legal age of consent in the U.S is 18, unless one has a declaration from the courts giving one that right at no less than 16.

Once again you prove your remarkable ignorance. The age of consent in the US varies by state and ranges from 14 to 18. I believe 17 was chosen by a larger number of states than any other, about 1/3. You'd think a resident would actually know more about that than a foreigner. But on the other hand, you do live in a very tennis-intensive state, and have long since demonstrated that you know less about tennis than those of us who have to endure 6 month winters to get to 2 month summers.

cool bird
Aug 5th, 2003, 02:33 AM
Think it's Delaware.

Up to the mid-1970's, their age of 'consent', was 7.

NO WAY 10 thats sick :eek: :fiery:

TeeRexx
Aug 5th, 2003, 02:40 AM
DH - Just because you want to f*ck a 13 year old girl, does not mean that most normal men have your same sick prediliction.

In the U.S. the majority of states chose 18 as the age of adulthood, idiot.

I do not live on tennis stats, as non players like yourself, but as far as tennis strategy, experience adn techniques, I am beyond your limited scope.

cool bird
Aug 5th, 2003, 02:42 AM
Beleive me, Kim is still a VIRGIN!! :o
Not sure about Lleyton though!! ;)

YEAH OK :rolleyes:

disposablehero
Aug 5th, 2003, 02:49 AM
DH - Just because you want to f*ck a 13 year old girl, does not mean that most normal men have your same sick prediliction.

In the U.S. the majority of states chose 18 as the age of adulthood, idiot.

I do not live on tennis stats, as non players like yourself, but as far as tennis strategy, experience adn techniques, I am beyond your limited scope.

The majority of states? I thought a couple minutes ago you said all them? Nothing like making up the facts as you go along.

BTW, I'm sure Conchita finds your paltry attempts at humour terribly clever.

angele87
Aug 5th, 2003, 02:59 AM
Isn't it enough around here that we have arguements over opinions without arguing over facts? Obviously the age of consent in varying states is a set law. It's either this or that. It can't be both. It's what is it. Those arguing over this both seem to be very sure of what they're saying so obviously, y'all have facts to back up the talk right? All I've been able to find is this site http://www.ageofconsent.com/ageofconsent.htm but obviously, it's not 100% realiable and probably not the sites that y'all are looking at. I would much like to see links posted to provide information so that this arguement could be ended.

Cassius
Aug 5th, 2003, 03:00 AM
In Britain the laws go like this:
Sex - 16.
Buying fags - 16.
Driving (cars) - 17.
Driving (motorcycles) - 18.
Buying alcohol - 18.

angele87
Aug 5th, 2003, 03:02 AM
In Canada I think it's :

Sex- 14
Driving -16
Alcohol and cigarettes-19

TeeRexx
Aug 5th, 2003, 03:08 AM
D "ass" H - Please post where I said all states.
And if you just can't stand what I post, then stay the hell out of my threads and play with your 12 year old girlfriend, or most likely, boyfriend instead of worrying what I post, fool. :eek: LOL

cool bird
Aug 5th, 2003, 03:09 AM
In Canada I think it's :

Sex- 14
Driving -16
Alcohol and cigarettes-19

So you can have a bit of the other at 14 but you cant smoke a fag afterwards.
Healthy :bounce:

TennisHack
Aug 5th, 2003, 03:21 AM
Hong Kong: gay 21, lesbian unknown, heterosexual females 16, heterosexual males 18

how they gonna work that one out ??? :lol: :lol:

In the US at least, there is often a disparity between girls and guys about the legal age of consent. It's always been this way and is only now starting to change. I guess it began as a way to "protect young girls" or something like that, who knows :rolleyes:

There is also a disparity between gay and hetero sex as you mentioned, which I find really amusing, consdering gay sex doesn't lead to pregnancy or some of the STDs common in teens (note I said SOME).

Ahh, this great country of ours :rolleyes:

TennisHack
Aug 5th, 2003, 03:29 AM
Why make it higher when generally speaking teenagers are maturing earlier and have sex at an earlier age than a few decades ago?

As someone correctly noted in this thread above me, people are maturing faster physically now than ever before, but emotional maturity is being stunted. Physical maturity, especially sexual maturity, is happening earlier and earlier now because of better nutrition and a more developed environment. It's all biological, and you can't stop biology (easily, at least).

But the attitude that has permeated through the US at least, and perhaps even most of the Western world, is one of delayed adolescence. This mostly has to do with higher standards of education. It used to be that, after high school, it was normal for the kid to move out and get a job. College wasn't a necessity, and didn't become one until it became nearly impossible to earn a living wage straight out of high school. But basically, the longer it takes to complete one's education, theoretically the longer one is dependent on one's parents/family and the longer one can spend in the adolescence flummox.

I could go on and on and on about this, but won't bore the thread. If you'd like more details, feel free to PM me :)

*JR*
Aug 5th, 2003, 03:32 AM
All this mention of the #7 & #10 is mixing 2 seperate issues. They're numbers used for age difference mainly, not age of consent! So if a 30 y.o. has sex with a 16 y.o., boku trouble. :eek: A 20 y.o. with that same 16 y.o., "WTF". :p ;)

F-R-E-A-K
Aug 5th, 2003, 03:39 AM
In Australia: i think its

Sex: 16 now.. if 'consent'
Purchasing Alcohol and cigarettes: 18 :rolleyes: :confused:
Smoking cigarettes: 16 :eek: :confused:
Driving: 16 (learner)

I dont get why u can smoke at 16 but cant purchase till 18?!

Penne1
Aug 5th, 2003, 03:42 AM
Bryant was charged with sexual assault not rape .... oh, well I feel better now! :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :confused:

alexusjonesfan
Aug 5th, 2003, 05:10 AM
So you can have a bit of the other at 14 but you cant smoke a fag afterwards.
Healthy :bounce:

actually, if you're 16 you can legally smoke in Canada, you just can't buy 'fags' (unless they're the flaming kind :o) until you're 19...it's one of those weird laws where you can pick up a habit three years before you can support it yourself.

Isn't it the same with drinking? that you can drink at any age as long as it's on your own property or something like that?

Beat
Aug 5th, 2003, 09:17 AM
This book was written in 1991. I think the Eastern European top twenty veteran could be Manuela Maleeva who is from Bulgaria, she married her coach and became Swiss. The coach from her country could be Eric Van Harpen who is Swiss, and he trained Conchita who was a top ten player in 1991 and is a lesbian. Maybe I am wrong, but the book shows how common it is for older coaches to sleep with younger girls.

eric van harpen is neither swiss nor bulgarian, but dutch, if i'm not mistaken, so it can't be him.