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spokenword73
Jul 30th, 2003, 11:52 PM
the circus begins in less than two hours...


Evidence of Injury?
Sources: Doctors Found ‘Tearing’ on Bryant’s Alleged Victim



Aug. 6— ABCNEWS has been told that examiners found evidence that the woman accusing NBA superstar Kobe Bryant of sexual assault had "vaginal tearing." The information comes as Bryant prepares for a court appearance today in which he will be read the formal charge in the case against him.



Prosecutors could argue that this is not consistent with consensual sex, legal analysts say, but the defense could rebut this in several ways, including that vaginal tearing could be sustained during consensual sex, or was not incurred during sex with Bryant.

Several sources familiar with the case also told ABCNEWS that the accuser has alleged that she tried to leave Bryant's hotel room and he blocked the door. The sources said that the sheriff's original arrest warrant included a misdemeanor claim of false imprisonment.

Pureracket
Jul 31st, 2003, 12:23 AM
did Kobe sodomize this woman for real?

spokenword73
Jul 31st, 2003, 03:43 AM
sodomize?? :confused: where did you get that??

*JR*
Jul 31st, 2003, 03:19 PM
sodomize?? :confused: where did you get that??
"If the dick don't fit, you must acquit"! :p

spokenword73
Jul 31st, 2003, 06:01 PM
methinks Kobe should cut a deal-ASAP!!!

King Satan
Jul 31st, 2003, 07:14 PM
methinks Kobe should cut a deal-ASAP!!!
no way!! he can't do that now! then that would totally ruin his life! :eek:

Pureracket
Jul 31st, 2003, 07:44 PM
It's a rumour that I heard going around. Apparently, that is the proof of the injuries in her rectum. Then again, these are just rumours and nothing else. If it is true, this whole case stinks for Kobe (no pun intended).

the cat
Jul 31st, 2003, 08:39 PM
It doesn't look good for Kobe. But I hope the truth comes out one way or another. If the prosecution can prove that Bryant injured her does that mean he would be found guilty of sexual assault and face 4 to 40 years in jail? I wouldn't necessarily think so.

I hope Kobe used protection.

And Kobe should not cut a deal. That would ruin his image forever. He really needs to be found not guilty of sexual assault. Being an adulturer is bad enough. But being thought of as a possible rapist is now what Kobe needs to be cleared of. Then he can start working on rebuilding his life and career. But if this does go to trial then Bryant could be convicted and sent to jail. :eek:

I wonder what Father Phil (Phil Jackson) thinks of all this. He's been too quiet for my liking. He could speak up on Kobe's behalf.

Serendy Willick
Jul 31st, 2003, 08:39 PM
I heard that the prosocution admitted that there was some consentual sex going on. If thats the case, then how in the hell are they gonna prove what was consentual and non-consentual? Maybe he was trying to give from behind and she didnt like it?

spokenword73
Jul 31st, 2003, 08:41 PM
a "rape kit" can prove it was forced or unforced. presumably she was examined when she went to the hospital...what's gonna sink Kobe is that he lied to the police...

BigTennisFan
Jul 31st, 2003, 08:46 PM
It's a rumour that I heard going around. Apparently, that is the proof of the injuries in her rectum. Then again, these are just rumours and nothing else. If it is true, this whole case stinks for Kobe (no pun intended).

Yeah, right. :lol:

Intended or not, it's funny. :lol:

the cat
Jul 31st, 2003, 09:03 PM
If Kobe pulled the back door play on this girl in their first meeting then that is a disgrace. :mad:

But the DA must believe he has physical eveidence to prove that Bryant sexually assaulted her. Otherwise he wouldn't be going through with the case against Kobe.

Pureracket
Jul 31st, 2003, 09:28 PM
He could have gone up the romp because his wife may not be giving it to him @ home. This would be crazy if this were true, because I have @ least 4 male friends who would've kept their mouths shut if Kobe would have done this to them.

Rocketta
Jul 31st, 2003, 10:06 PM
hmm, I wonder how many times (if this is true of course) he made a back door entrance where the girl said the sign on her ass says "Do Not Enter" . :eek: :eek:

Well I tell you that's one of those things he doesn't have to worry about a bunch of women coming out the wood works saying since it is still pretty taboo! :eek: :eek:

King Satan
Jul 31st, 2003, 10:13 PM
"If Kobe pulled the back door play on this girl in their first meeting then that is a disgrace."

Lmao!! kobe was denied the back door play! :eek:

Bacardi
Jul 31st, 2003, 10:19 PM
Back door play + Kobe = :eek:
I certainly hope not.... ewwwwww ANAL? :bolt:

I do think if he lied to the police it looks bad, but he'll get out of this. Because part of it was consentual part wasn't, they will have a damn hard time proving where the line was drawn. Plus the Kobe's lawyers will eat the State Supported prosectution ALIVE!!!!!

maccardel
Jul 31st, 2003, 10:48 PM
It's a rumour that I heard going around. Apparently, that is the proof of the injuries in her rectum. Then again, these are just rumours and nothing else. If it is true, this whole case stinks for Kobe (no pun intended).

On her rectum? What kind of sex were they having?

I feel for her. To have a big black guy forced something so big up your ass and all you can do is lay there and take it.....oh my......that must hurt. He should be punished if he did it. If he did it.

Pureracket
Aug 1st, 2003, 01:13 AM
On her rectum? What kind of sex were they having?

I feel for her. To have a big black guy forced something so big up your ass and all you can do is lay there and take it.....oh my......that must hurt. He should be punished if he did it. If he did it.
maccardel,
That whole "big black guy" description is the same one that racists have been using to use the brutish stereotype in order to lynch Black men for years and years. I certainly think that your post achieves that too. If that was your attempt, mission: accomplished.

maccardel
Aug 1st, 2003, 01:30 AM
maccardel,
That whole "big black guy" description is the same one that racists have been using to use the brutish stereotype in order to lynch Black men for years and years. I certainly think that your post achieves that too. If that was your attempt, mission: accomplished.

Thank you. When I say big black guy I mean he is bigger than her. I myself is black and there is no racist connotation intended in my post at all. I was just trying to fantisize him on top of her......forcefully. Which is wrong for him to do. This is a touchy subject and I wish not to go any futher with this.

Pureracket
Aug 1st, 2003, 01:32 AM
Cool. As long as you understand where I'm coming from, it's cool.

CC
Aug 1st, 2003, 02:28 AM
I'm still trying to figure out the part where she said the sex began consensually. So she changed her mind then?

maccardel
Aug 1st, 2003, 02:29 AM
She changed her mind after he said he wasn't going to give her any money, and she flipped.....when wifey called...

Cybelle Darkholme
Aug 1st, 2003, 02:44 AM
"If the dick don't fit, you must acquit"! :p
you are so bad! :lol:

Cybelle Darkholme
Aug 1st, 2003, 02:46 AM
Thank you. When I say big black guy I mean he is bigger than her. I myself is black and there is no racist connotation intended in my post at all. I was just trying to fantisize him on top of her......forcefully. Which is wrong for him to do. This is a touchy subject and I wish not to go any futher with this.


I think her point is that its irrelevant that he is black. So why even include black in the description of him on top of her. we are not trying to identify someone here. we know who the accused is so why tack that on.

Cybelle Darkholme
Aug 1st, 2003, 02:49 AM
Also a rape kit doesnt do much if he turns around and says she liked it rough.

rape is so difficult to prove. that stupid girl never should have gone into his room. Didn't her mother teach her anything about men?

decemberlove
Aug 1st, 2003, 02:52 AM
illinois just passed a law about this.

a girl can say no at anytime and if the man doesnt listen, its rape. now this causes a BIG problem. the rape kit is pretty much pointless in this case. the girl wouldve already been aroused, making it really her word against his.

lets pretend he did fuck her in the ass. since kobe is 6'6" and 220, im assuming the rest of his body follows along with his largeness. i would imagine, with or without lube, that shes going to receive some type of injury from him anyway. this whole case is really a mess.

stupid kobe for putting himself in this position.

Cybelle Darkholme
Aug 1st, 2003, 03:02 AM
Uh what if she wanted it in the ass? I mean this is not unheard of because I've seen pornos. :angel:

just cause its the ass don't give you a free pass.

its my johnny cochran moment.

Rocketta
Aug 1st, 2003, 03:07 AM
Yawl need to stop with the Johhny Cochran Speak! :o Its too funny! :p :lol:

decemberlove
Aug 1st, 2003, 03:07 AM
you tawkin' to me?

pornos are geared towards men anyway so of course there will be some ass action. but of course there are girls that like it up the ass. my point is, whether she wanted it up the ass or not will be very hard to prove cos im sure itd hurt either way, yknow?

Cybelle Darkholme
Aug 1st, 2003, 03:16 AM
well my brother says for guys its a good thing because of the prostrate is stimulated.


well I know I have a lot of things but a prostrate is not one of them so I am mind boggled that any woman would want it up her tush! what in the world for! Theres nothing to stimulate!

His wife really needs to dump his cheating ass exploring ass.

Car Key Boi
Aug 1st, 2003, 03:30 AM
"If the dick don't fit, you must acquit"! :p

:lol:

spokenword73
Aug 1st, 2003, 03:35 AM
the fact that Kobe lied to the police is what's going to sink him...remember it's not the actual wrongdoing, but it's the attempts to cover it up that get you a free pass to the pen!!!

King Satan
Aug 1st, 2003, 03:59 AM
the fact that Kobe lied to the police is what's going to sink him...remember it's not the actual wrongdoing, but it's the attempts to cover it up that get you a free pass to the pen!!!
when did that become "fact"? :rolleyes:

spokenword73
Aug 1st, 2003, 04:35 AM
it's a fact because the DA says it is, and until trial and someone disputes it, it's out there...Kobe is sure acting like a guilty man...why doesn't he want to attend his own hearing? :confused:

King Satan
Aug 1st, 2003, 04:37 AM
"prosecutors also *believe*"

Dawn Marie
Aug 1st, 2003, 04:49 AM
Imho if indeed this women is now stating that some of the encounter was consensual and some not ,will indeed only hurt the prosecution.

It is possible for a women to have a tight asshole, and that if she tried to the doggystyle that the first time with rough sex will indeed hurt her rectum. This entire case is sounding so ludricrus.

So what she is saying is that I had sex with him, but he raped by asshole!?!?!

So far what I am getting from the media is not enough to vote for Kobe or the 19 year old.

I can't imagine her up on the stands saying she sucked his dick and had sexual relations but he took her ass.

spokenword73
Aug 1st, 2003, 05:14 AM
her friends told the media her injuries were "visible" days after the encounter, if they can believed, that counts out anal sex...

i was always under the assumption Kobe beat her up...but i'm not sure you could get 12 members of a jury to agree it was forced...so Kobe walks...

*JR*
Aug 1st, 2003, 12:26 PM
Actually, Dawn's post raises an interesting legal question (where state laws may differ): two people of "legal age" are engaged in consensual sexual activity. One wants to do something the other doesn't and uses some level of either coercion or force to have that happen. I wonder what crime may be charged by a prosecutor (or sued over in a civil case). :confused:

maccardel
Aug 1st, 2003, 12:53 PM
I think her point is that its irrelevant that he is black. So why even include black in the description of him on top of her. we are not trying to identify someone here. we know who the accused is so why tack that on.

If it was a white guy then I would have said "big white guy or man" in this case the perpetrator is black hence "big black man" there is no denying the race of the person and stating it makes no difference in the description of the crime, it just states the facts and there's no denying the fact.

maccardel
Aug 1st, 2003, 01:00 PM
Also a rape kit doesnt do much if he turns around and says she liked it rough.

rape is so difficult to prove. that stupid girl never should have gone into his room. Didn't her mother teach her anything about men?

I blame Kobe for this because history has taught us one thing. when you are a celebrity, you are high profile and have more at risk and your chance for controversy is greater than the average person. Look at Mike Tyson and the Desiree Washington situation, R.Kelly, Michael Jackson, and so many more before Kobe.

All she has to do is agree to the sex then in the midst of it say some shit to piss him off and he will get angry and do something about it and hence the charge. It is so easy to say you have been raped....in the midst of it all she has to do is say that "I am gonna tell your wife or I am gonna report this." We don't know what really happened but a player with a beautiful wife and access to all the groupies available, would not need to "take it". It is his fault cos once you are known, people will be out to get you and his meeting her is a poor taste in judgement. Maybe he will tell the truth of what really happened.

Pureracket
Aug 1st, 2003, 01:17 PM
Dawn Marie,
I love you, but for the love of my sanity, please spell 'woman" correctly. My toes curl when that is misspelled. It's almost like seeing people eat raw carrots.

spokenword73
Aug 1st, 2003, 03:32 PM
it's not easy to "cry rape" in fact most rapes(especially date rapes) go unreported, because typically it's the victim who ends up on trial. if a woman says NO!!, guys please hear it....there are plenty of women who will tell you yes!!! why take a change on a rape charge????

DunkMachine
Aug 1st, 2003, 05:08 PM
So let me get this straight, it was all consentual except for the anal stuff? Can you call it rape? All Kobe (that horny dumbass) did was stuff the wrong hole without her approval.

decemberlove
Aug 1st, 2003, 05:15 PM
it's not easy to "cry rape" in fact most rapes(especially date rapes) go unreported, because typically it's the victim who ends up on trial. if a woman says NO!!, guys please hear it....there are plenty of women who will tell you yes!!! why take a change on a rape charge????


yes, a lot of rape cases go unreported, but its REAL easy to cry rape cos the crime actually didnt happen to the victim, so they feel no guilt/shame/emotion. thats why its called "cry rape" like the lil boy who cried wolf. it didnt actually happen, get it?

Mrs. Peel
Aug 1st, 2003, 05:18 PM
Where is it indicated that they had anal sex? Once something gets mentioned, people run with it like a train wreck...

Kobe :mad: what a peanuthead to get yourself in this position...

The prosecution had better admit there was some consensual sex (damn right there was)...this is going to be one heck of a trial....

in reading the guidelines of what constitutes 3rd class sexual assault, I remember thinking oh...she started something that she perceives she wasn't ready to finish :rolleyes:

decemberlove
Aug 1st, 2003, 05:34 PM
http://images.ucomics.com/comics/bo/2003/bo030801.gif

spokenword73
Aug 1st, 2003, 06:17 PM
LOL@ "free to go"!!
the prosecution's argument will be that some of the sexual activities was consensual, but then the victim, supposedly said no and Kobe forced her...again it will be a challenge to get 12 people to agree she really did say NO!!

CC
Aug 1st, 2003, 09:09 PM
Where is it indicated that they had anal sex? Once something gets mentioned, people run with it like a train wreck...



I don't see why people are assuming it was anal either.

spokenword73
Aug 2nd, 2003, 12:23 AM
as the stomach turns...

Kobe called 911 the day before arrest

THE LOS ANGELES Lakers’ star hung up the phone without talking, but a dispatcher called back, speaking to three people, including Bryant, before sending police and paramedics, Sgt. Steve Shulman said. Medics arrived at 12:40 a.m. on July 3 and stayed 23 minutes.
“He confirmed that the reason for the call that he made initially was for medical assistance at the residence and the medical assistance was not for him, it was for someone else,” Shulman said.
Bryant made the call the day before he returned to Colorado to surrender to police after being accused of sexually assaulting a woman at an exclusive spa. He is free on $25,000 bail.
Shortly after he called 911, medics treated a female at the house but did not need to take her to the hospital, said Vickie Cleary, emergency services manager for the Newport Beach Fire Department.
No further details were immediately available, and it was unclear whether the medics treated a woman or child. Bryant and his wife, Vanessa, had a baby girl in January.
Paramedics were summoned to the house for a similar medical emergency on March 5, Cleary said. During that call, paramedics took a woman to the hospital after evaluating and treating her at the home.

Rocketta
Aug 2nd, 2003, 01:38 AM
as the stomach turns...

Kobe called 911 the day before arrest

THE LOS ANGELES Lakers’ star hung up the phone without talking, but a dispatcher called back, speaking to three people, including Bryant, before sending police and paramedics, Sgt. Steve Shulman said. Medics arrived at 12:40 a.m. on July 3 and stayed 23 minutes.
“He confirmed that the reason for the call that he made initially was for medical assistance at the residence and the medical assistance was not for him, it was for someone else,” Shulman said.
Bryant made the call the day before he returned to Colorado to surrender to police after being accused of sexually assaulting a woman at an exclusive spa. He is free on $25,000 bail.
Shortly after he called 911, medics treated a female at the house but did not need to take her to the hospital, said Vickie Cleary, emergency services manager for the Newport Beach Fire Department.
No further details were immediately available, and it was unclear whether the medics treated a woman or child. Bryant and his wife, Vanessa, had a baby girl in January.
Paramedics were summoned to the house for a similar medical emergency on March 5, Cleary said. During that call, paramedics took a woman to the hospital after evaluating and treating her at the home.

Oh Oh :eek:

The Plot Thickins! ;)

decemberlove
Aug 2nd, 2003, 01:53 AM
as a sixers fan, i cant help but laugh

i try to be fair, i do, but i cant contain it anymore :devil:

King Satan
Aug 2nd, 2003, 01:55 AM
as a sixers fan, i cant help but laugh

i try to be fair, i do, but i cant contain it anymore :devil:
:(

*secretly laughs at the anal sex thingie* :o

*JR*
Aug 2nd, 2003, 02:07 AM
as a sixers fan, i cant help but laugh


Hey, Kobe's father (Joe) played for the Sixers! Whaddya think Alex Stevenson is the only subject of this board whose Daddy did? :p (In fact Kobe was named for a Philly area Japanese restaurant).

decemberlove
Aug 2nd, 2003, 02:14 AM
i know, blahblah, but its nice to see mr nice guy fall once in a while. esp when LAKER fans have been giving you shit for a certain #3's behavior & image.

Crazy Canuck
Aug 2nd, 2003, 02:15 AM
So let me get this straight, it was all consentual except for the anal stuff? Can you call it rape? All Kobe (that horny dumbass) did was stuff the wrong hole without her approval.
Totally aside from this case, as I have no idea about wether or not the injuries were anal... I read they were vaginal?

But to answer your question, if two people are having vaginal sex and the man then starts to foce himself up her rear, and she says NO, but he continues regardless, that is rape... or sodomy, I guess. Same idea.

*JR*
Aug 2nd, 2003, 02:25 AM
i know, blahblah, but its nice to see mr nice guy fall once in a while. esp when LAKER fans have been giving you shit for a certain #3's behavior & image. Iverson WAS innocent re. the alleged threats (against his own ratfink cousins!), but he puts himself in places... like he could've been shot more recently @ that club. (As did Ray Lewis of the Ravens a couple of years ago, except Lewis also lied for a friend afterwards).

*JR*
Aug 2nd, 2003, 02:31 AM
But to answer your question, if two people are having vaginal sex and the man then starts to foce himself up her rear, and she says NO, but he continues regardless, that is rape. Let's take another hypotheical. Two people are having some form of sex, regardless of what kind. One then says "I want to stop", but the other continues (the same thing) "in the heat of passion". How would you classify that situation legally?

decemberlove
Aug 2nd, 2003, 02:33 AM
Iverson WAS innocent re. the alleged threats (against his own ratfink cousins!), but he puts himself in places... like he could've been shot more recently @ that club. (As did Ray Lewis of the Ravens a couple of years ago, except Lewis also lied for a friend afterwards).


i know he was, but you try telling the haters that [marcusrock being one of them!]

decemberlove
Aug 2nd, 2003, 02:35 AM
Let's take another hypotheical. Two people are having some form of sex, regardless of what kind. One then says "I want to stop", but the other continues (the same thing) "in the heat of passion". How would you classify that situation legally?

depends on what state youre in... Illinois just passed a law stating that a person may change their mind at anytime, and if the other doesnt listen, its rape. which i think just makes for a big, messy situation.

spokenword73
Aug 2nd, 2003, 03:17 AM
Oh Oh :eek:

The Plot Thickins! ;)

also I heard today that one of the investigators involved in this case has been sued for racial profiling...do I smell a Mark Fuhrman clone??
(this story is becoming an obsession :lol: _

harloo
Aug 2nd, 2003, 03:50 AM
I think this is what happened:

Kobe was hitting it from the front, and asked her can he hit it from the back.

19 year old: Ummm....hit it from the back? You mean my budunka-dunk?

Kobe-yeah, wifey won't let me do it, cmon girl.

19 year old: but I ate burritoes for lunch

Kobe:awe baby it don't matter I've got the magic stick

19 year old: ok Kobe, but don't hurt me.

Kobe starts to hit it from the back

19 year old: Eww...... Kobe stop, it's too deep

Kobe: awe girl you aint feeling nothing, that's just the head...

19 year old- Ohhhh Kobe...it hurts but it feels good.
Kobe you are pushing to hard, stop.....

19 year old jumps up, you muthafucka...I told you to go easy on my ass.
I told you I had burritos . I'm filing charges against your ass, you nasty bastard!!!!

Kobe- but, but......I was only...I was just....awe damn you got me. That ass was too good, once I tapped it I couldn't stop.

19 year runs out of the room and tells the world she was raped by a crazy ass black ball player.

end of story. lol

Dawn Marie
Aug 2nd, 2003, 04:42 AM
also I heard today that one of the investigators involved in this case has been sued for racial profiling...do I smell a Mark Fuhrman clone??
(this story is becoming an obsession _


LAWD HAVE MERCY UPON ME, this case is going to be a SOAP OPERA.



Anyway, IF indeed this women;) says that some of the sexual enconter was consensual then the prosecuters can kiss this case goodbye!

They have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that she was raped and that her injuries were sustained from the RAPE and NOT from CONSENSUAL the consesual sex.

I just don't see how this can be proven in court? I got to see this case on COURT TV.

spokenword73
Aug 2nd, 2003, 04:55 AM
maybe all her injuries aren't vaginal injuries...her friends say some of them were "visible" :eek: still, my friend thinks she "asked" to be smack around she could later cry rape...possible but :rolleyes:

Dawn Marie
Aug 2nd, 2003, 05:09 AM
How will they prove that those "visible" injuries were caused by rape if she stated that some of the sex was consensual? How will the Prosecution be able to distinquish the consensual vrs the non-consensual part of the altercation?

Of course nobody really knows if this was even part consensual or not?

Damn whata MESS.

Rocketta
Aug 2nd, 2003, 05:38 AM
Why would physical abuse be questioned just cause a woman was taking part in consentual sex? I mean just cause your willing to fool around with someone doesn't mean that you'll let him slap you around put bruises on you? Its not even reasonable to assume that. That would be abnormal to begin with. Unless the defense is going to find ex-boyfriends that said she liked it rough I would think the first reaction would be yeah he forced her if there was bruising but that's just me. :(

~ The Leopard ~
Aug 2nd, 2003, 05:39 AM
If you're willing to be fucked vaginally but the guy concerned forcibly fucks you anally of course it is rape. Why is that even controversial?

Are some of you suggesting that because you are prepared to consent to activity "A" you lose all right to say no to activity "B" that involves the sexual penetration of your own body? :banghead:

Whether that is what is actually alleged, or what actually happened, or whether it could be proved .... well, that's another thing entirely.

It's even rape if you are actually having consensual sex, change your mind, tell the guy to stop, and he keeps going. You always have the right to say no. You don't lose it coz you're a bad girl or some such thing.

HAIL-VENUS
Aug 2nd, 2003, 05:48 AM
Uhm, wait a minute. What I gathered from the whole "one act of consentual" "another act of nonconsentual" is that the girl gave Kobe some head (oral sex) and he wanted more. All I've been hearing on CNN and ESPN is that the prosecution has evidence that the girl suffered injuries to her vaginal area. That, to me, suggests that she refused vaginal intercourse after performing oral sex on Kobe. Now, I've heard nothing about anal sex. Maybe that came into play and maybe it didn't. I don't see how people can get "oh, she gave him some pussy, but she didn't want it in the ass, so that's the claim". It seem more logical (if the girl is claiming rape) that she performed oral sex on Kobe without the intention of having vaginal intercourse with him, when she said no to that, he just took him some (raped her). Let me add that I am not accusing Kobe or the girl of any wrong doings, but this is only my opinion of the latest news from the case.

Pureracket
Aug 2nd, 2003, 12:26 PM
Well, it's all gonna start coming out on Wed. This is going to be a messy(no pun intended) situation for Kobe.

maccardel
Aug 2nd, 2003, 12:36 PM
Let's take another hypotheical. Two people are having some form of sex, regardless of what kind. One then says "I want to stop", but the other continues (the same thing) "in the heat of passion". How would you classify that situation legally?

No means no. .. it doesn't matter what she was doing before but what she is doing at the moment and what she wants........the concept of the matter is that it's the women's body and only she has the right to decide what to do.........they could have been doing it for hours but whenever she says no......then it is no.......stop.........unfortunately that is how it is.......sometimes the rape charge can be lowered to aggravated sexual assault without it having to be called or branded rape.......

*JR*
Aug 2nd, 2003, 01:53 PM
If you're willing to be fucked vaginally but the guy concerned forcibly fucks you anally of course it is rape. Why is that even controversial?

Are some of you suggesting that because you are prepared to consent to activity "A" you lose all right to say no to activity "B" that involves the sexual penetration of your own body? :banghead:

Whether that is what is actually alleged, or what actually happened, or whether it could be proved .... well, that's another thing entirely.

It's even rape if you are actually having consensual sex, change your mind, tell the guy to stop, and he keeps going. You always have the right to say no. You don't lose it coz you're a bad girl or some such thing.
I go along with you on the first 2 paragraphs. (Rocketta's example of getting suddenly whacked around is another good example of something outta bounds). Re. your last point, I know the "bad girl" (in the Kobe case, "nut girl") card gets played in these cases, but that's not MY point. In the real world, a sex act generally ends in an aptly named climax for one or both partners. So if one has it, and then tells the other in effect: "OK, fuck off, don't fuck me" isn't that the "moral equivilant" of bait-and-switch, counsellor? :confused:

Playa
Aug 2nd, 2003, 03:29 PM
Let's not forget that the girl is mentally unstable
she attempted suicide twice.
it's a nitghtmare for the prosecusion.
noboby knows if kobe fucked her up the ass.
but one thing is certain, Vanessa will suffer the most when the trial will begin.
For god's sake, Kobe should make an arrangement with that crazzy bitch
I'm not blaming her ,kobe is the architect of his own disaster...

PS: i have the issue of the "GLOBE" with her true picture, she's definitely "fuckable"....

spokenword73
Aug 2nd, 2003, 03:47 PM
Kobe's wife suffer the most??? :confused: what about the girl he is accusing of raping?? if she is as unstable as everyone says, then she's probably devestated with what's happened...any and all women are "fuckable" that doesn't mean any man has the right to force them against their will...

*JR*
Aug 2nd, 2003, 04:49 PM
Actually, while @ first it looked like Kobe was taking it up the ass (financially), word is he was TOO squeaky clean for the liking of some of the endorsement bois. I mean being seen as a "gangsta" type hasn't made Iverson unmarketable, right?

Cybelle Darkholme
Aug 2nd, 2003, 05:38 PM
I blame Kobe for this because history has taught us one thing. when you are a celebrity, you are high profile and have more at risk and your chance for controversy is greater than the average person. Look at Mike Tyson and the Desiree Washington situation, R.Kelly, Michael Jackson, and so many more before Kobe.

All she has to do is agree to the sex then in the midst of it say some shit to piss him off and he will get angry and do something about it and hence the charge. It is so easy to say you have been raped....in the midst of it all she has to do is say that "I am gonna tell your wife or I am gonna report this." We don't know what really happened but a player with a beautiful wife and access to all the groupies available, would not need to "take it". It is his fault cos once you are known, people will be out to get you and his meeting her is a poor taste in judgement. Maybe he will tell the truth of what really happened.

um all she has to do is get a friend to knock her around after the fact.

Playa
Aug 2nd, 2003, 06:14 PM
robrich ,
I'am not saying that every "fuckable" girls deserve to be raped.
i didn't say that.
but i can understand why kobe is in trouble. men are weak anyway.
talking about rape, what if your partner likes the "missionary" position,
and suddendly scream rape once you try the " doggy style" position??.
like i said before ,i'ain't blaming the girl but kobe and kobe himself.
Also ,i think Hilary clinton suffred much more ,if i can put it this way than
Monica Lewensky.

CC
Aug 2nd, 2003, 06:50 PM
Uhm, wait a minute. What I gathered from the whole "one act of consentual" "another act of nonconsentual" is that the girl gave Kobe some head (oral sex) and he wanted more. All I've been hearing on CNN and ESPN is that the prosecution has evidence that the girl suffered injuries to her vaginal area. That, to me, suggests that she refused vaginal intercourse after performing oral sex on Kobe. Now, I've heard nothing about anal sex. Maybe that came into play and maybe it didn't. I don't see how people can get "oh, she gave him some pussy, but she didn't want it in the ass, so that's the claim". It seem more logical (if the girl is claiming rape) that she performed oral sex on Kobe without the intention of having vaginal intercourse with him, when she said no to that, he just took him some (raped her). Let me add that I am not accusing Kobe or the girl of any wrong doings, but this is only my opinion of the latest news from the case.

You know, this makes a lot of sense to me. I can imagine her agreeing to have oral sex with him, and then he assumes that if she is willing to do that then she is willing to have sex with him.

spokenword73
Aug 2nd, 2003, 07:24 PM
gotcha, Playa!!
though Kobe's wife did get a $4 million ring out of the deal, and plenty more if she decides to leave his ass...

*JR*
Aug 2nd, 2003, 08:58 PM
gotcha, Playa!!
though Kobe's wife did get a $4 million ring out of the deal, and plenty more if she decides to leave his ass...
So like what you're sayin' is Kobe may be the one who gets it in the ass! :eek: :p

spokenword73
Aug 3rd, 2003, 12:43 AM
:lol: I guess you could look @ it that way

decemberlove
Aug 3rd, 2003, 12:56 AM
i have absolutely no respect for a woman who stays with her husband after he has cheated on her.

King Satan
Aug 3rd, 2003, 01:05 AM
i have absolutely no respect for a woman who stays with her husband after he has cheated on her.
get out of here with that bullshit. if someone makes a mistake, you don't just walk out on them. if you really love that person, you'll give them a second chance.

lizchris
Aug 3rd, 2003, 01:08 AM
Anyone looking at the Fox News Channel now? If what is being reported is true, he is in some deep shit.

decemberlove
Aug 3rd, 2003, 01:10 AM
a mistake, as if this was the first time hes done this? riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

you cant really love someone unless you love yourself first. its all about self-respect. if you dont respect yourself how can you ever expect your mate to?

King Satan
Aug 3rd, 2003, 01:12 AM
Love, so if your dad fucked up on your mom, and they decided to work things out, you'd lose all respect for her?

spokenword73
Aug 3rd, 2003, 01:25 AM
Anyone looking at the Fox News Channel now? If what is being reported is true, he is in some deep shit.

whaaaaat did they say??

lizchris
Aug 3rd, 2003, 01:31 AM
whaaaaat did they say??

I was wondering when someone was going to ask.

Fox News is reporting that two witnesses will testify that they saw the alleged victim right after she left Kobe's room and she was shaking and upset. One person was a female employee who said that the alleged victim told her she was forced to have sex with Kobe. The second employee, a bellman who drove her home, said that she had torn clothing and was very upset.

spokenword73
Aug 3rd, 2003, 02:10 AM
Yikes :eek: wonder how they'll explain that away??

Rocketta
Aug 3rd, 2003, 03:35 AM
i have absolutely no respect for a woman who stays with her husband after he has cheated on her.

Yeah its really not that simple, especially because of children, emotions, and years of history together.

spokenword73
Aug 3rd, 2003, 04:05 AM
I agree, it's not easy to leave, even if someone has betrayed you in front of the world...lots of people are in denial...they think it won't happen again, but once a cheat always a cheat, IMO

maccardel
Aug 3rd, 2003, 10:24 AM
Yeah its really not that simple, especially because of children, emotions, and years of history together.

not just that. The idea of marriage is through thick and thin and unfortunately this is both. Not only did he committ adultery but now he faces the possibility of being removed from his family.....I think above all things they need to set their priorities straight and I think they did.

Some say that she is sticking by him cos when he goes up the river for however long it may be, she will have all the millions to herself.......and when he is out she would be long time gone cos he will be a "washed up" player.

It doesn't matter in this case cos he fucked up and his whole family is now paying the price.....the child can no longer go to school and proudly say that her dad is kobe bryant.......now she has to hide her name in shame.......and the wife can no longer go to the games without everyone looking at her knowing that her husband cheated on her........it is sad..........let's not even talk about his career..........

Car Key Boi
Aug 3rd, 2003, 01:07 PM
I was wondering when someone was going to ask.

Fox News is reporting that two witnesses will testify that they saw the alleged victim right after she left Kobe's room and she was shaking and upset. One person was a female employee who said that the alleged victim told her she was forced to have sex with Kobe. The second employee, a bellman who drove her home, said that she had torn clothing and was very upset.

sorry, the bellman is not on the witness list. Too bad for the prosecution

as for the other "witness" the cross examine will go something like this

Legal Boi: Did yuo see Miss Faber go into Mr. Bryant's room?

Witness: No

Legal Boi: Other than Miss Faber telling yuo, do yuo have any proof that Miss Faber went to Mr. Bryant's room?

Witness: No

Legal Boi: And other than Miss Faber's statements to yuo, yuo have no other proof it was Mr. Bryant who ripped her clothes?

Witness: No

Legal Boi: How long have yuo known Miss Faber?

Witness: I've known her for blah years

Legal Boi: And yuo would consider her a friend, right?

Witness: Yes

Legal Boi: And yuo would be likely to believe her word over a stranger's, right?

Witness: Yes

Legal Boi: Yuor honor, i've no more questions for this *witness* (sarcastic tone)

Judge Boi: *witness*(sarcastic tone) is excused. Mr Bryant, yuo are free to go. Ra!

Kobe: DIGTBK!!

*JR*
Aug 3rd, 2003, 02:11 PM
B4 they ask about proof, blah, they have to ask the witness: "Do yuo swear to tell the troof, the whole troof, and nothing but the troof"? :p (If the case goes to trial, perhaps with Miss Faber it'll be "hole troof")! :o

spokenword73
Aug 3rd, 2003, 03:27 PM
Bryant already admitted they had sex, so why would they ask a witness if she was in his room??:confused: since Kobe WON'T take the stand, how will they explain the torn clothes??

*JR*
Aug 4th, 2003, 01:12 AM
Until @ least the preliminary hearing, "be it so ordered" that this (honorable???) thread stay on Page 1. (Somehow I don't think the word "sticky" would be in good taste, though)! :o

*JR*
Aug 4th, 2003, 07:13 PM
NEW YORK (AP) -- The maker of a chocolate spread has ended its endorsement deal with Los Angeles Lakers star Kobe Bryant, who is facing a sexual assault charge in Colorado, according to a published report. (LINK) (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/news/2003/08/04/byrant_endorsement_ap/)

Ferrero, an Italian company with U.S. headquarters in Somerset, N.J., has discontinued all promotions involving Bryant, the New York Post reported Monday. Company spokeswoman Julie Hurbanis told the newspaper that Bryant's contract with the company is set to expire in five months.

Hurbanis said the decision was made months ago and was not based on the criminal charges against Bryant, but was part of a broader plan to target an older audience.

Another company spokeswoman, Brooke Tvedten, wouldn't immediately comment on the report when contacted by the AP on Monday. Tvedten said the company would release a statement later in the day.

Ferrero manufactures Nutella, a hazelnut-and-chocolate spread popular in Europe. Bryant spent part of his childhood living in Italy.

The Post reported that the company removed a picture of a Bryant doll and references to Bryant from its Web site within days of when Bryant was charged in Eagle, Colo.

Bryant, an All-Star guard for the Lakers, was charged with felony sexual assault involving a 19-year-old woman. Bryant said he had consensual sex with her June 30 at an exclusive spa, where he was staying when he came to Colorado for knee surgery.

He has posted a $25,000 bond and is to return to Colorado on Wednesday for an initial court appearance.

decemberlove
Aug 4th, 2003, 08:37 PM
joe, yeah, i would.

Yeah its really not that simple, especially because of children, emotions, and years of history together.

i dont care, a man cheats on me, regardless of how many years and children we have, its over. no ifs, ands or butts. once the trust is broken, theres really no repairing it. oh you can pretend, but youll never trust that person like you did. and if i dont trust a person, im not happy, and that will reflect on my attitude towards my husband. id rather have my children deal with daddy and me apart rather than us constantly fighting.

love, my ass. if he loved her, he wouldnt fuck some strange girl WITHOUT protection, and risk his own health and his wifes health. even if they have an open relationship, atleast use a condom. its too dangerous not to.

joui, wheres your post? hmph. bring it back!

decemberlove
Aug 4th, 2003, 08:41 PM
It doesn't matter in this case cos he fucked up and his whole family is now paying the price.....the child can no longer go to school and proudly say that her dad is kobe bryant.......now she has to hide her name in shame.......and the wife can no longer go to the games without everyone looking at her knowing that her husband cheated on her........it is sad..........let's not even talk about his career..........


his career will be fine as long as hes not thrown in jail. basketball fans dont give a shit about what a player does, as long as they get the job done. if kobe does what he does best, he will no doubt have as many supporters as before. just look at most of the laker fans on this board...

decemberlove
Aug 4th, 2003, 08:48 PM
their shwing in public lately as been so fake, its disgusting. i love kobe, i love vanessa matching bracelets :rolleyes:

teen choice awards pics
http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20030803/i/1059894224.3892355160.jpg
http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20030803/capt.1059921354.kobe_bryant_teen_choice_awards_cae f204.jpg

spokenword73
Aug 4th, 2003, 09:05 PM
i heard Kobe was quoting MLK at the Teen Awards, something about "injustice" :rolleyes: some of the commentators were saying it's not a good move for him to be seen at these kinds of functions, because it looks like he's not taking these rape charges seriously... but I thought, where do they want him to be seen church?:lol:

Rocketta
Aug 4th, 2003, 11:34 PM
Here's an interesting article about Vanessa/Kobe but mainly Vanessa's family.

Bryants faced hurdles long before sexual assault case

By BETH HARRIS, AP Sports Writer
August 4, 2003
LOS ANGELES (AP) -- They met at a music video shoot. She was an 18-year-old high school student working as a background model. He was 21, living in wealthy Pacific Palisades with a huge NBA contract and millions of dollars in endorsement deals.

Six months later, Kobe Bryant and Vanessa Laine were engaged. A year later, in April 2001, they walked over red rose petals to begin their life together.

Even before the accusations of sexual assault against the Los Angeles Lakers' superstar, their marriage had already endured many hurdles.


About a dozen people attended their private wedding ceremony, but the basketball player's parents -- Joe and Pam Bryant -- weren't among them.

Kobe's parents had already moved back East after living with their only son during his first couple years in the NBA. A rift developed because his parents objected to his marriage to Vanessa.

``I had taken matters into my own hands, marrying my wife so young, they didn't know her,'' Kobe told ABC Sports in June.

After the marriage, his father rarely attended Lakers games and the two reportedly didn't speak to each other for nearly two years.

``Twenty years from now, when his own child grows up, he'll understand what I'm doing,'' Joe Bryant told the Los Angeles Times in an interview in April.

Vanessa's mother, Sofia Laine, also had misgivings.

``Although I was happy for Vanessa, particularly since Kobe is a very kind and respectful young man, their relationship caused a great deal of stress for me,'' she said in court documents filed in her divorce case.

Lakers coach Phil Jackson also questioned the wisdom of such a young person getting married.

Since their marriage, Kobe and Vanessa Bryant led their lives out of the limelight -- as much as possible for a celebrity couple.

Their marriage license is a special type covered by confidentiality laws. And it is not known, for example, whether the couple has a prenuptial agreement. Such agreements are private contracts and typically don't become public unless there is a divorce filing.

Kobe Bryant usually keeps to himself when on road trips with the team; and Vanessa rarely attends Lakers games or Hollywood events.

But when her husband was charged with sexual assault, she appeared at a news conference, holding his hand and stroking it tenderly as the NBA star admitted he was guilty of adultery -- but nothing else. Earlier, she had issued her own statement to the media, vowing to stand by her husband.

``I know that my husband has made a mistake -- the mistake of adultery,'' she said. ``He and I will have to deal with that within our marriage, and we will do so. He is not a criminal.''

The Bryants' representatives will not answer questions, instead referring calls to Kobe's criminal defense attorney, Pamela Mackey. Her office said the couple isn't accepting interview requests. Attorneys in the case are now also under a gag order.

Before they married, court documents show Vanessa's family life was already in turmoil. Her mother and stepfather filed for bankruptcy in 2000, and Vanessa and Kobe helped them out with cash and gifts worth more than $500,000, according to documents filed in the Laines' pending divorce case.

Kobe also paid off a $230,000 mortgage on his in-laws' Garden Grove house, according to the court filings, as well as phone, dental and credit card bills and two car loans.

Then in July 2002, Sofia Laine filed for divorce, claiming in court documents that husband Stephen Laine was ``involved in another relationship.'' They had been married for 12 years.

About a month before the divorce filing, Sofia Laine, who wasn't working because of debilitating back pain, told the court she was no longer receiving cash gifts from Vanessa and Kobe.

The financial support is at issue because Stephen Laine's filings show he believes he should pay less than standard alimony.

``I never represented to my mother that I would `take care of her' financially if she stopped working,'' Vanessa Bryant told the court last September.

Stephen Laine's attorney, Glen Rabenn, said his client would not comment on his stepdaughter, who took his last name in 2000 even though he never adopted her.

``He does not want to offend Vanessa. He loves Vanessa as his own daughter,'' Rabenn said. And he ``thinks the world of Kobe.''

One of Sofia Laine's attorneys, Doreen Olson, didn't return messages.

Kobe and Vanessa Bryant made a rare public appearance Saturday night, attending the 2003 Teen Choice Awards, where he was honored as favorite male athlete. Bryant made a peace sign with his fingers and a thumbs-up gesture, and waved to fans. He also kissed his wife's hand.

Three days after he was charged with sexually assaulting a 19-year-old woman in Colorado, Bryant surprised his wife with a $4 million, eight-carat purple diamond ring while at a Santa Monica jewelry store, according to People magazine. The ring had been commissioned two weeks earlier.

``They looked very happy together,'' jeweler Raffi Kouyoumjin told the magazine.

the cat
Aug 5th, 2003, 12:16 AM
Thanks for the article, Rocketta! :)

What a great post by Miss Love about adultery! :worship:

But Miss Love's post about Lakers fans was unecessary. :mad: I'm sure Joe was stung by her cheap shot at Lakers fans! ;)

Kobe Bryant is in deep! :eek: And it's about time people realize it. The physical evidence that the prosecution apparently has will play a big role in the trial.

And are there any more award shows for Kobe and Vanessa to attend?

decemberlove
Aug 5th, 2003, 12:38 AM
it wasnt unnecessary, it was the truth. and the truth is necessary :devil:

itd be the same way for ai, tmac, it was the same way for jordan, tyson, look at r.kelly, his songs are all OVER the radio. um, roman polanski. man won an oscar and couldnt accept it cos hes a fugitive. i mean, ha!

people as a whole have no problem separating the art from the artist. its really the media that takes issue with it, and the people ignore it. as long as you get the results, we love you.

spokenword73
Aug 5th, 2003, 01:07 AM
Great article!! The rumor was kobe's wife was only 17 when he started dating her...have you all heard about the 911 calls Kobe made the day before his arrest?? A woman in distress...was it Vanessa?? Also, I heard to day where his accuser left his room with choke marks around her neck...not sure if that's true...
either way Kobe is either incredibly naieve, or incredibly arrogant :confused:

Rocketta
Aug 5th, 2003, 01:26 AM
Great article!! The rumor was kobe's wife was only 17 when he started dating her...have you all heard about the 911 calls Kobe made the day before his arrest?? A woman in distress...was it Vanessa?? Also, I heard to day where his accuser left his room with choke marks around her neck...not sure if that's true...
either way Kobe is either incredibly naieve, or incredibly arrogant :confused:

Yeah I heard about that. I think 911 was called twice. One time they treated someone and the other they went but treatment was refused or something. That's really interesting. I haven't a clue as to who or what the reasons for the 911 calls but what a mystery. :unsure:

the cat
Aug 5th, 2003, 01:28 AM
You are prophetic tonight, Holly. You are right about the public forgetting about a stars problems. But all the celebrities you named were men. Would women be treated the same way? Or are men naturally cut more slack by the media?

Rocketta
Aug 5th, 2003, 01:29 AM
You are prophetic tonight, Holly. You are right about the public forgetting about a stars problems. But all the celebrities you named were men. Would women be treated the same way? Or are men naturally cut more slack by the media?

are you kidding Women would be cruicified and laid to bare especially by other women. :o

spokenword73
Aug 5th, 2003, 01:30 AM
I think Kobe has a temper behind that 100-watt smile...last year I remember he attacked one of his teamates (Laker fans correct me if I'm wrong)...

Rocketta
Aug 5th, 2003, 01:33 AM
(Laker fans correct me if I'm wrong)...

Well that certainly ain't me! :unsure:

;)

the cat
Aug 5th, 2003, 01:37 AM
Yes Rocketta, women get the short end of the stick from the media. That's what I was implying.

And Kobe did not attack any of his teammates last year.

spokenword73
Aug 5th, 2003, 01:45 AM
what happened with him and Samaki Walker?? I heard they got into a fight on the team bus...

Rocketta
Aug 5th, 2003, 01:54 AM
Yes Rocketta, women get the short end of the stick from the media. That's what I was implying.

And Kobe did not attack any of his teammates last year.

Yes can you say Mary K. Lataurno(sp? I can't remember how she spells her last name :( ). That was a double standard but then again she was crazier than a shit house mouse. :lol:

the cat
Aug 5th, 2003, 02:30 AM
She deserved the slammer, Rocketta. Thirty and thirteen don't go well together.

Robrich, if Bryant and Walker got into a scuffle on the team bus I wouldn't worry about it. The occasional scuffle among teammates is normal for sports teams these days.

harloo
Aug 5th, 2003, 04:12 AM
Hi Rocketta!! :wavey:

Great article.

I did not know that Vanessa's family was so screwed up. They took Kobe to the cleaners. Some people don't even have any shame. They should of never allowed Kobe to pay their ways.

But also, Vanessa suprised me when she said that she will not take care of her mother.

Vanessa knows what she is doing though. She will not leave Kobe until after all this shit is over. Think about it, if Kobe does time then she will still be set up. But if Kobe is exonerated then she will wait and then divorce his ass. Watch. She knows she has a lot to lose riding on this.

And Kobe is dumber than I thought he was. The ring was not necessary.

I'm really dissapointed in Kobe, because if he wanted some he could of picked up a white call girl in Vegas but he goes after a white girl in the backwoods. I hate to say it, but I think he is going down.

decemberlove
Aug 5th, 2003, 04:24 AM
cat, i think you know the answer to your question...

HAIL-VENUS
Aug 5th, 2003, 04:36 AM
Great articles and very opinionated posts. Has anybody else heard that Coke and McDonalds dropped his ass? Well, Coke (Sprite commercials) for sure, and I heard on the news that McDonalds is going over his contract with them because he's an admitted adulturer. I knew that his image would take a bashing after this whether he's guilty or not. I can't wait for the trial to begin. I wanna see the prosecution's case against him. It's gonna be so interesting.

harloo
Aug 5th, 2003, 05:11 AM
Great articles and very opinionated posts. Has anybody else heard that Coke and McDonalds dropped his ass? Well, Coke (Sprite commercials) for sure, and I heard on the news that McDonalds is going over his contract with them because he's an admitted adulturer. I knew that his image would take a bashing after this whether he's guilty or not. I can't wait for the trial to begin. I wanna see the prosecution's case against him. It's gonna be so interesting.

Well he will lose the majority of them. It's a shame.

What I find even more disturbing is the judge's willingness to allow cameras in the court turning this case into a circus. Personally, I think everyone involved in this case besides the plantiff and defendant has some vested interest. Many of these people are looking for fame and notoriety. After this case is resolved they will write books, appear on numerous shows.

It's such a shame for these people to glorify this situation. IMO, the case should be tried without cameras in the court. The media should not be allowed to even be near the court.

Did anyone see the hearing where the MEDIA was asking for Kobe's reports to be releashed. They are so pathetic. They really have no shame at all.

IMO, both parties should be given a fair trial without all this extra stuff. Of course we all want to know what happening in the court room, but I just don't feel it's really good too show this day in and day out. This is starting to have an OJ feel to it where the media is concerned and I think that is sad.

Cybelle Darkholme
Aug 5th, 2003, 01:08 PM
not just that. The idea of marriage is through thick and thin and unfortunately this is both. Not only did he committ adultery but now he faces the possibility of being removed from his family.....I think above all things they need to set their priorities straight and I think they did.

Some say that she is sticking by him cos when he goes up the river for however long it may be, she will have all the millions to herself.......and when he is out she would be long time gone cos he will be a "washed up" player.

It doesn't matter in this case cos he fucked up and his whole family is now paying the price.....the child can no longer go to school and proudly say that her dad is kobe bryant.......now she has to hide her name in shame.......and the wife can no longer go to the games without everyone looking at her knowing that her husband cheated on her........it is sad..........let's not even talk about his career..........


uh whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty? There hasn't even been a trial yet!

Brens
Aug 5th, 2003, 03:09 PM
That judge needs to be ashamed of himself, for letting the cameras into the court room.

Can you spell O-P-P-O-R-T-U-N-I-S-T-I-C.

There is just to much shit going on in this world, to have to watch a "alleged rape" case on tv.

spokenword73
Aug 5th, 2003, 03:52 PM
cameras in the courtroom will turn the trial into a circus, but at least we'll be able to see what really goes on...of course, the judge already said the media cannot photograph the accuser, so the whole process is not totally fair. Kobe, however, has no problems with the camera at ESPYS, Teen Choice, etc ;)

*JR*
Aug 5th, 2003, 04:00 PM
Yes Rocketta, women get the short end of the stick from the media. That's what I was implying.


True. Now this case seems 2B about under what cir(cum)stances Ms. Faber got the LONG end of the stick! :o

decemberlove
Aug 5th, 2003, 04:14 PM
cameras in the courtroom will turn the trial into a circus, but at least we'll be able to see what really goes on...of course, the judge already said the media cannot photograph the accuser, so the whole process is not totally fair. Kobe, however, has no problems with the camera at ESPYS, Teen Choice, etc ;)

how does not seeing the girl make the case not fair? what does her face have to do with anything?

i dont like the idea of cameras in the courtroom. we're so fucking nosey...

Rocketta
Aug 5th, 2003, 05:10 PM
how does not seeing the girl make the case not fair? what does her face have to do with anything?

i dont like the idea of cameras in the courtroom. we're so fucking nosey...

Well I know the heads over at Court TV did back flips when the judge allowed camera's. ;)

lizchris
Aug 5th, 2003, 07:12 PM
Vanessa's parents are freeloaders.

I don't want to make comparison with Kobe and OJ, but do you see the similarities? Poor girl from Orange county with just a high school diploma who hooks up with a wealthy athlete, who then marries him and he supports her and the freeloading parents (and sisters, in Nicole Simpson's cse)?

maccardel
Aug 5th, 2003, 08:05 PM
uh whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty? There hasn't even been a trial yet!

I never said he was guilty at all....he is guilty only of committing adultery....that is it.....

maccardel
Aug 5th, 2003, 08:08 PM
Vanessa's parents are freeloaders.

I don't want to make comparison with Kobe and OJ, but do you see the similarities? Poor girl from Orange county with just a high school diploma who hooks up with a wealthy athlete, who then marries him and he supports her and the freeloading parents (and sisters, in Nicole Simpson's cse)?

I don't see the similarities at all cos oj and kobe are two different situations.........kobe didn't drive down some expressway after his wife was found bleeding.......kobe is not accused of killing his wife....I think she is still alive right?

Kobe's crime was not against his wife, but against a stranger....he did not hurt his wife like that ........except for the adultery.

maccardel
Aug 5th, 2003, 08:12 PM
Vanessa's parents are freeloaders.

I don't want to make comparison with Kobe and OJ, but do you see the similarities? Poor girl from Orange county with just a high school diploma who hooks up with a wealthy athlete, who then marries him and he supports her and the freeloading parents (and sisters, in Nicole Simpson's cse)?


Also if you are a millionaire and you marry someone beneath you so to say, then it doesn't necessary make you the sugar daddy or the bread winner for the entire first generation of your partner...........I think all of us can agree that if we had millions and we married someone who may have been less financially unfortunate then we will help out the immediate family to some extent........like put them up in a house and so forth........you don't want your partner visiting their family in a rundown neighborhood....where everyone knows that they have money......it would be a traunmatic experience for them.

*JR*
Aug 5th, 2003, 08:29 PM
Vanessa's parents are freeloaders.

I don't want to make comparison with Kobe and OJ, but do you see the similarities? Poor girl from Orange county with just a high school diploma who hooks up with a wealthy athlete, who then marries him and he supports her and the freeloading parents (and sisters, in Nicole Simpson's cse)?
MATERIAL GIRL
Madonna

Some boys kiss me, some boys hug me
I think they're o.k.
If they don't give me proper credit
I just walk away

They can beg and they can plead
But they can't see the light, that's right
'Cause the boy with the cold hard cash
Is always Mister Right

'Cause we're living in a material world
And I am a material girl
You know that we are living in a material world
And I am a material girl

Some boys romance, some boys slow dance
That's all right with me
If they can't raise my interest then I
Have to let them be

Some boys try and some boys lie, but
I don't let them play (no way)
Only boys that save their pennies
Make my rainy day

Boys may come and boys may go
And that's all right you see
Experience has made me rich
And now they're after me

'Cause everybody's... :devil:

spokenword73
Aug 6th, 2003, 01:15 AM
MATERIAL GIRL
Madonna

Some boys kiss me, some boys hug me
I think they're o.k.
If they don't give me proper credit
I just walk away

They can beg and they can plead
But they can't see the light, that's right
'Cause the boy with the cold hard cash
Is always Mister Right

'Cause we're living in a material world
And I am a material girl
You know that we are living in a material world
And I am a material girl

Some boys romance, some boys slow dance
That's all right with me
If they can't raise my interest then I
Have to let them be

Some boys try and some boys lie, but
I don't let them play (no way)
Only boys that save their pennies
Make my rainy day

Boys may come and boys may go
And that's all right you see
Experience has made me rich
And now they're after me

'Cause everybody's... :devil:

:confused: anyway, the circus begins tomorrow...the media lives for this kind of scandal...and yes, Kobe does remind me of OJ in some-not all ways...

decemberlove
Aug 6th, 2003, 01:26 AM
lets look at the similarities

oj: black
kobe: black
oj: football star
kobe: basketball star

the similarities end there, imo. feel free to add your own. the only reason they are smiliar is cos the media are portraying them to be, on purpose.

while kobe may be losing sponsors, more and more pics are being taken of him. ************** at the teen choice awards, he had 35 something pics taken of him, he came in second. previous to all this mess, he prolly wouldve had 5-10 up there, IF that.

HAIL-VENUS
Aug 6th, 2003, 04:10 AM
I'm sorry to say (well, maybe not, but it seemed appropriate to say), but I'm glad that cameras will be allowed in the courtroom. I wanna see the trial. I mean, both parties should have known that this would be a highly publisized case because of the celebrity of Kobe Bryant. I'm glad that it will be on tv so that I can make my own judgements and draw my own conclusions concerning the case. I know this sounds selfish of me, but I'm certainly not against televising high profile cases.

HAIL-VENUS
Aug 6th, 2003, 04:13 AM
Oh yeah, and what's up with people compairing Kobe's case to OJ's??? Kobe may have freaked the girl against her will, but he let her live!! Kobe's not being accused of murder, unlike OJ Simpson. I agree that the only similarities between them is the color of their skin.

King Satan
Aug 6th, 2003, 05:01 AM
not only that, but oj killed TWO ppl

DunkMachine
Aug 6th, 2003, 07:03 AM
Lizchris.......... you stupid

decemberlove
Aug 6th, 2003, 07:37 AM
http://images.ucomics.com/comics/bo/2003/bo030806.gif

decemberlove
Aug 6th, 2003, 07:37 AM
boondocks :hearts:

spokenword73
Aug 6th, 2003, 08:18 PM
hurry, hurry, the circus begins in less than two hours :rolleyes:

Pureracket
Aug 6th, 2003, 09:24 PM
Less than an hour. I KEEP getting the tea from people who are "insiders". This case has the possibility of blowing up.

*JR*
Aug 6th, 2003, 09:51 PM
Kobe will ALSO be on TV in something or other totally unrelated to the case @ 8 P.M. Eastern. (Network execs for that are :drool: over the timing)! :lol:

spokenword73
Aug 6th, 2003, 10:45 PM
I read Kobe's wife wasn't at the hearing :confused: wonder why she didn't "stand by her man" today??

*JR*
Aug 7th, 2003, 12:03 AM
I read Kobe's wife wasn't at the hearing :confused: wonder why she didn't "stand by her man" today??
The AP reports she was seen in NYC's diamond district seeking offers on something... :p

maccardel
Aug 7th, 2003, 01:30 AM
If that wasn't his wife then who was that next to him in the court room? was it the victim?

Or maybe the next potential victim.......

spokenword73
Aug 7th, 2003, 03:46 AM
If that wasn't his wife then who was that next to him in the court room? was it the victim?

Or maybe the next potential victim.......
:lol:

Pureracket
Aug 7th, 2003, 12:31 PM
That's kinda funny.

lizchris
Aug 7th, 2003, 12:59 PM
I don't see the similarities at all cos oj and kobe are two different situations.........kobe didn't drive down some expressway after his wife was found bleeding.......kobe is not accused of killing his wife....I think she is still alive right?

Kobe's crime was not against his wife, but against a stranger....he did not hurt his wife like that ........except for the adultery.

I wasn't talking about the actual cases, I was talking about their personal lives.

lizchris
Aug 7th, 2003, 01:01 PM
Lizchris.......... you stupid

For pointing out the truth? Yes, that is really stupid.
:rolleyes:

lizchris
Aug 7th, 2003, 01:04 PM
Also if you are a millionaire and you marry someone beneath you so to say, then it doesn't necessary make you the sugar daddy or the bread winner for the entire first generation of your partner...........I think all of us can agree that if we had millions and we married someone who may have been less financially unfortunate then we will help out the immediate family to some extent........like put them up in a house and so forth........you don't want your partner visiting their family in a rundown neighborhood....where everyone knows that they have money......it would be a traunmatic experience for them.

OJ's first wife's family wasn't well off, but he certainly wasn't send a lot of money their way (so I have heard). The only thing he did for his first wife's family is send her half sister to college, where she got a four-year degree in communications (I think)

spokenword73
Aug 7th, 2003, 03:56 PM
OJ and Kobe are similar in that some people consider them "sellouts" because they married outside of their race, and then claim racial discrimination when they get in trouble...

lizchris
Aug 7th, 2003, 04:29 PM
OJ and Kobe are similar in that some people consider them "sellouts" because they married outside of their race, and then claim racial discrimination when they get in trouble...

OJ did, but Kobe has not, unless you call him quoting MLK Jr. claiming discimination. But Kobe and OJ should have known that when you are black and accused of harming a white woman, most of the (white) public will want to hang you, maybe not literally, but figuratively. If OJ had been accused of killing his first ex-wife (who is black) and Kobe had been accused of assulting a black woman, I don't think the public would have gone as crazy as they have.

I know people are going to be mad about what I said, but too bad. As far as the OJ case, the Gallup organization backs me up on my assertion.

harloo
Aug 7th, 2003, 04:37 PM
OJ and Kobe are similar in that some people consider them "sellouts" because they married outside of their race, and then claim racial discrimination when they get in trouble...

This is true. Some of my friends were saying this when I went to the barbershop.

However what I find disturbing is this willingness of people to compare this case to the OJ Simpson fiasco. OJ was a murderer. Kobe is NOT. We also saw the affect of cameras in the court room during the OJ case. It became racially divisive, which is something that is bad for this country.

What I'm saying is that I find the cameras being allowed in the courtroom to be opportunistic for the judge. I think it's sad when a high profile case is exploited to boost the career of those involved. Allowing the camera really shows the judges motives in this case.

Decemberlove,
AS FOR ME FEELING KOBE WILL NOT GET A FAIR TRIAL:

I have stated in my previous post my wish for both parties to recieve a fair trial, regardless of what my personal opinions may be on this matter.
But I also feel if they are gonna show Kobe, his wife, friends etc, then why not show the accuser. Otherwise keep the cameras out of the courtroom.

Also, you have to realize that this is not NY, or LA, this area is backwood county. My great great grandmother use to tell me,"Stay away from white girls". Now while I did not understand her while I was just a young boy trying to get some. lol. I just always wondered why she said that when I went to visit her for the summer in Little Rock. Yes, you could call her comments racist but she knew the mentality of the white parents in that small town.

Now even today I go to a certain small town and get certain looks, and I laugh and say "BOO!!". LOL. Oh that's when they turn away real quick. You see Kobe should of picked up a white girl in Vegas or a call girl. You never mess with these cazy white folks daughter.

Not saying that he is innocent and if he is guilty then so be it. However, the mentality of the people in this small town is ancient.
So IMO, I think Kobe is going down. He's already lost his endorsements, and he will lose a couple of years of his life after this mess is over.

I will not watch the case though. Too sad for both parties involved.

lizchris
Aug 7th, 2003, 04:44 PM
This is true. Some of my friends were saying this when I went to the barbershop.

However what I find disturbing is this willingness of people to compare this case to the OJ Simpson fiasco. OJ was a murderer. Kobe is NOT. We also saw the affect of cameras in the court room during the OJ case. It became racially divisive, which is something that is bad for this country.

What I'm saying is that I find the cameras being allowed in the courtroom to be opportunistic for the judge. I think it's sad when a high profile case is exploited to boost the career of those involved. Allowing the camera really shows the judges motives in this case.

Decemberlove,
AS FOR ME FEELING KOBE WILL NOT GET A FAIR TRIAL:

I have stated in my previous post my wish for both parties to recieve a fair trial, regardless of what my personal opinions may be on this matter.
But I also feel if they are gonna show Kobe, his wife, friends etc, then why not show the accuser. Otherwise keep the cameras out of the courtroom.

Also, you have to realize that this is not NY, or LA, this area is backwood county. My great great grandmother use to tell me,"Stay away from white girls". Now while I did not understand her while I was just a young boy trying to get some. lol. I just always wondered why she said that when I went to visit her for the summer in Little Rock. Yes, you could call her comments racist but she knew the mentality of the white parents in that small town.

Now even today I go to a certain small town and get certain looks, and I laugh and say "BOO!!". LOL. Oh that's when they turn away real quick. You see Kobe should of picked up a white girl in Vegas or a call girl. You never mess with these cazy white folks daughter.

Not saying that he is innocent and if he is guilty then so be it. However, the mentality of the people in this small town is ancient.
So IMO, I think Kobe is going down. He's already lost his endorsements, and he will lose a couple of years of his life after this mess is over.

I will not watch the case though. Too sad for both parties involved.

I agree with everything you saiid. My mother ALWAYS told my brother to stay away from white girls a don't ever bring one to her home saying you are going to marry her. Fortunately, he married a black woman, but she was a crazy bitch and he is now divorcing her (after eight years and two daughters), so not all black women all all together either.

Back to the Kobe case. With some in the media (mostly white women commentators) already saying he is guilty, I don't think he will get a fair trial, I think it wil be held in Eagle county, in front of an all white jury who will convict him no matter what the evidence just to teach him a lesson to say away from the white girls.

decemberlove
Aug 7th, 2003, 04:50 PM
Decemberlove,
AS FOR ME FEELING KOBE WILL NOT GET A FAIR TRIAL:

I have stated in my previous post my wish for both parties to recieve a fair trial, regardless of what my personal opinions may be on this matter.
But I also feel if they are gonna show Kobe, his wife, friends etc, then why not show the accuser. Otherwise keep the cameras out of the courtroom.

Also, you have to realize that this is not NY, or LA, this area is backwood county. My great great grandmother use to tell me,"Stay away from white girls". Now while I did not understand her while I was just a young boy trying to get some. lol. I just always wondered why she said that when I went to visit her for the summer in Little Rock. Yes, you could call her comments racist but she knew the mentality of the white parents in that small town.

Now even today I go to a certain small town and get certain looks, and I laugh and say "BOO!!". LOL. Oh that's when they turn away real quick. You see Kobe should of picked up a white girl in Vegas or a call girl. You never mess with these cazy white folks daughter.

Not saying that he is innocent and if he is guilty then so be it. However, the mentality of the people in this small town is ancient.
So IMO, I think Kobe is going down. He's already lost his endorsements, and he will lose a couple of years of his life after this mess is over.

I will not watch the case though. Too sad for both parties involved.

um, ok, when did i EVER say kobe will get a fair trial? never. so i dunno why youre directing this at me :confused:

spokenword73
Aug 7th, 2003, 04:58 PM
lizchris and harloo-excellent posts!!

what is disappointing is that when certain black people obtain power and influence, they think that the rules don't apply to them...some people might convict Kobe just to "teach that uppidity "N" a lesson about messin' with our white girls". If anything, Kobe may be convicted as much for being a fool, as for anything else:o

on the other hand, this town is not the backwater town the media is trying to portray, it's a resort area that people from all over the world have re-located to. Can Kobe get a "fair" trial?? Not sure.

decemberlove
Aug 7th, 2003, 05:00 PM
why not show the accuser? cos shes the victim and her life will be ruined if the entire world sees her face.

this is the problem with rape cases, it is often the victim who is put on trial and not vice versa.

imagine going through the emotional torture of rape and then being put onthe stand as if its all your fault. and all the world hating you. why do you think the so few rape cases are reported?

her face not being shown will not change the case. WE are not the jury. WE dont have any business seeing her. just cos were nosey and selfish and think the world revolves around us doesnt mean its true. the jury will see her, its just that we cant.

i fail to see how this will effect the outcome.

i never said anything about kobe receiving a fair trial in a small all white town. im not an idiot.

harloo
Aug 7th, 2003, 05:08 PM
why not show the accuser? cos shes the victim and her life will be ruined if the entire world sees her face.

this is the problem with rape cases, it is often the victim who is put on trial and not vice versa.

imagine going through the emotional torture of rape and then being put onthe stand as if its all your fault. and all the world hating you. why do you think the so few rape cases are reported?

her face not being shown will not change the case. WE are not the jury. WE dont have any business seeing her. just cos were nosey and selfish and think the world revolves around us doesnt mean its true. the jury will see her, its just that we cant.

i fail to see how this will effect the outcome.

i never said anything about kobe receiving a fair trial in a small all white town. im not an idiot.

that's the reason I say NO CAMERAS IN THE COURTROOM decemberlove. WE have no reason to see KOBE day after day in the courtroom either.

For all we know it could be a lie, and not the truth.

And noone said you were an IDIOT. So don't assume ish!!!!
I was simply explaining my reasoning as to why I don't feel Kobe will get a fair trial.

Yes, the accuser is a victim. But like I said, this is something she got herself into with Kobe. I really do not feel sorry for either party involved. Sorry but I don't.

Hell, her picture has been posted on the internet.

SO I SAY, IF YOU ARE GONNA SHOW KOBE LIVE, THEN SHOW HER LIVE.

OTHERWISE DONT SHOW IT AT ALL.

Which is something I think the judge should of did in the first place.

JMO!

lizchris
Aug 7th, 2003, 05:28 PM
lizchris and harloo-excellent posts!!

what is disappointing is that when certain black people obtain power and influence, they think that the rules don't apply to them...some people might convict Kobe just to "teach that uppidity "N" a lesson about messin' with our white girls". If anything, Kobe may be convicted as much for being a fool, as for anything else:o

on the other hand, this town is not the backwater town the media is trying to portray, it's a resort area that people from all over the world have re-located to. Can Kobe get a "fair" trial?? Not sure.

Not only do some blacks who are wealthy don't think the rules apply to them, they actually think that some in this society will treat then better than the normal black people. Actually, it is the opposite; they get treated worse because some in the white community are jealous and resentlul of their wealth, sucess and looks.

BTW, they need to have cameras in the courtroom; I do not trust the people of Eagle County to give him a fiar trial and I nned to see everything that goes on in the courtroom. In additon; they will never show this woman's face; what they'll do is put a blue dot over they did like they did the woman who accused William Kennedy Smith of rape.

decemberlove
Aug 7th, 2003, 05:33 PM
im with you harloo, i dont think there should be cameras in the courtroom. its really none of our business. people really disgust me

if kobe wants a better chance at getting off, he should hire a better lawyer [wheres johnny?]

decemberlove
Aug 7th, 2003, 05:44 PM
Not only do some blacks who are wealthy don't think the rules apply to them, they actually think that some in this society will treat then better than the normal black people. Actually, it is the opposite; they get treated worse because some in the white community are jealous and resentlul of their wealth, sucess and looks.

BTW, they need to have cameras in the courtroom; I do not trust the people of Eagle County to give him a fiar trial and I nned to see everything that goes on in the courtroom.

its not JUST black wealthy people that think the rules dont apply to them, its welathy people in general. get over this whole race thing. yes, race is still a factor but its not nearly as important as money. sorry, i dont see black stars getting treated worse than poor blacks.

not marrying a white girl cos she might be crazy? please, this is 2003, not the 50s. this is why racism still exists. cos people are too scared to break the social barriers.

lizchris
Aug 7th, 2003, 05:47 PM
im with you harloo, i dont think there should be cameras in the courtroom. its really none of our business. people really disgust me

if kobe wants a better chance at getting off, he should hire a better lawyer [wheres johnny?]

Johnnie Cochran doesn't do criminal trials anymore; he only does civil cases like the Abner Louima case.

lizchris
Aug 7th, 2003, 05:51 PM
its not JUST black wealthy people that think the rules dont apply to them, its welathy people in general. get over this whole race thing. yes, race is still a factor but its not nearly as important as money. sorry, i dont see black stars getting treated worse than poor blacks.

not marrying a white girl cos she might be crazy? please, this is 2003, not the 50s. this is why racism still exists. cos people are too scared to break the social barriers.

Then you must be living in some kind of fantasy world because anyone with sense knows that isn't true. For one, when was the last time a white actor was stopped by a cop and had a gun put to his head? Well, that happened to actor Blair Underwood (LA Law fame) a few years back and this was after Rodney King.

Go back and reread my post. My mother didn't want my brother to marry a white woman because she was white, plain and simple. If you want to call her a racist, fine, but she grew up in the South and that is why she has that belief.

*JR*
Aug 7th, 2003, 06:42 PM
Johnnie Cochran doesn't do criminal trials anymore; he only does civil cases like the Abner Louima case.
Furthermore, old buddy, if he did he'd be the last one Kobe would hire, so as to AVOID OJ comparisons. And if there's one thing the legal commentators virtually all agree on, it's that the inevitable request for a change of venue will be granted (as the whole county knows Ms. Faber, either directly or "friend of a relative", the reverse, whatever). Given the media circus, I guess Denver is the most likely "host city". BTW, if it's during the season (which I doubt, more likely afterwards), when the Lakers visit the Nuggets Kobe can suit up and play! Also, I reckon the Peoples Choice Awards got the highest ratings ever last night! ;)

lizchris
Aug 7th, 2003, 07:00 PM
Furthermore, old buddy, if he did he'd be the last one Kobe would hire, so as to AVOID OJ comparisons. And if there's one thing the legal commentators virtually all agree on, it's that the inevitable request for a change of venue will be granted (as the whole county knows Ms. Faber, either directly or "friend of a relative", the reverse, whatever). Given the media circus, I guess Denver is the most likely "host city". BTW, if it's during the season (which I doubt, more likely afterwards), when the Lakers visit the Nuggets Kobe can suit up and play! Also, I reckon the Peoples Choice Awards got the highest ratings ever last night! ;)

That's why he was smart not to hire him. If he wanted to get a high profile black defense attorney who has dealt with athletes, he should have called Billy Martin (who is working on the Chandra Levy case and who is Monica Lewinsky's mother's lawyer). Martin represented a player named Juwon Howard and someone else when they were accused of sexual assault and he got the charges dropped and I think he went after the accuser for malicious prosecution and won.

BTW, do you know if Denver or Boulder is closer to Eagle County? Becuase if it is closer to Boulder, then I bet it is mobed there.

*JR*
Aug 7th, 2003, 09:36 PM
That's why he was smart not to hire him. If he wanted to get a high profile black defense attorney who has dealt with athletes, he should have called Billy Martin (who is working on the Chandra Levy case and who is Monica Lewinsky's mother's lawyer). Martin represented a player named Juwon Howard and someone else when they were accused of sexual assault and he got the charges dropped and I think he went after the accuser for malicious prosecution and won.

BTW, do you know if Denver or Boulder is closer to Eagle County? Becuase if it is closer to Boulder, then I bet it is mobed there.
It's the home of ski resort town Vail, and starts about 50 miles west of Denver on I-70. So the Faber family can't say getting there every day is a hardship (esp. as you're really looking @ a trial starting in about June, with no snow-covered roads). BTW, Billy Martin put together Monica Lewinsky's mini dream team of Plato Cacheris and Jake Stein, who called Ken Starr's bluff and got her full immunity. Oh, I wanna know if Kate smokes pot; if so, I'm gonna post the lyrics of a certain John Denver song! :D

Pureracket
Aug 8th, 2003, 11:42 PM
Ok, has anybody else I heard that the alleged victim received 12 stitches in her anus?

Rocketta
Aug 8th, 2003, 11:46 PM
Ok, has anybody else I heard that the alleged victim received 12 inches in her anus?

did u mean 12 stiches?? :o or 12 inches? :o

Pureracket
Aug 8th, 2003, 11:48 PM
stitches. .. stitches!!!!!! I'm soooo sorry.

maccardel
Aug 8th, 2003, 11:49 PM
I realized that the woman next to kobe in the court room was his attorney .......my bad

Rocketta
Aug 8th, 2003, 11:50 PM
stitches. .. stitches!!!!!! I'm soooo sorry.

LOL, what a typo! :o :o :o :o

It was funny as all get out though! ;)

CC
Aug 9th, 2003, 02:36 AM
stitches. .. stitches!!!!!! I'm soooo sorry.

I think you did that on purpose. :p

Pureracket
Aug 9th, 2003, 02:39 AM
CC,
I promise you I did not. . .. LOL

*JR*
Aug 9th, 2003, 01:46 PM
LOL, what a typo! :o :o :o :o

It was funny as all get out though! ;)
Of course the case er, "coming" down to "get out" vs. "get in"! :o

spokenword73
Aug 9th, 2003, 05:53 PM
yes, there is a rumor going around that Kobe took her from behind, and literally tore it up!! :rolleyes:
wish they would unseal the records so we can see what "evidence" the prosecution really has...
recent polls show blacks and whites view Kobe's innocence/guilt totally differently, just like OJ!!

Pureracket
Aug 9th, 2003, 07:29 PM
That poll is REALLY interesting. They should have polled the Black and white people that I know. Neither of these groups cares one way or the other. Then again, I don't think that Kobe has the Black public behind him yet like OJ did. Anyway, both of them married non-Black women. Maybe that has something to do with it.

Rocketta
Aug 9th, 2003, 07:31 PM
That poll is REALLY interesting. They should have polled the Black and white people that I know. Neither of these groups cares one way or the other. Then again, I don't think that Kobe has the Black public behind him yet like OJ did. Anyway, both of them married non-Black women. Maybe that has something to do with it.

I think its even split here on WTAWorld between the black posters! :tape:

*JR*
Aug 9th, 2003, 08:15 PM
yes, there is a rumor going around that Kobe took her from behind, and literally tore it up!! :rolleyes:
So he might be in some deep shit here, huh? :o

*JR*
Sep 9th, 2003, 01:24 AM
But then his buddy may spring that KKK (Krazy Kennedy Kin :o) Michael Skakel! (And you guys thought this thread was dead till the prelim)? Kobe (uh, on second thought "take it to the hole" might be a little um, er, fuck it; wait, that could be prejudicial here, too). :eek: Of course Mark Fuhrman's book reopened that Greenwich case that Skakel got nailed on after all those years, too!

*JR*
Sep 9th, 2003, 01:29 AM
lmao! roger you're sick! :lol:
:tape:

DunkMachine
Sep 9th, 2003, 07:22 AM
Lol!!!!!!!!

thalle
Sep 9th, 2003, 09:43 AM
:o I live in DK, and we have no coverage of the Kobe-case... Is it still going?

*JR*
Sep 9th, 2003, 11:31 AM
:o I live in DK, and we have no coverage of the Kobe-case... Is it still going?
Like the basketball All-Star he is, Kobe can go a full 48 minutes if needed! :o :devil:

thalle
Sep 9th, 2003, 12:22 PM
Like the basketball All-Star he is, Kobe can go a full 48 minutes if needed! :o :devil:
I ment the rape-case.... Did he win it?

*JR*
Sep 9th, 2003, 05:11 PM
I ment the rape-case.... Did he win it?
It probably won't even START till next June.