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matthias
Jul 25th, 2003, 09:56 PM
i still believe in him
he is just 1 minute and 5 second behind Armstorng

he can and hopefully will do it tomorrow in "contre la montre" timetrial

GO Jan, and Kick ass

KV
Jul 25th, 2003, 10:18 PM
I hope so

gg
Jul 25th, 2003, 11:38 PM
I don't think he'll dominate like he did in the last Time Trial but I'll be watching with high hopes. :bounce:

jrm
Jul 26th, 2003, 12:05 AM
no way Lance is going to let that fatso win the Tour. Always an advantage going last!

Maajken
Jul 26th, 2003, 09:05 AM
if the fatso wins the time trial then there's not much lance can do about that

go jan!

gentenaire
Jul 26th, 2003, 09:49 AM
Go Jan!!

per4ever
Jul 26th, 2003, 09:51 AM
Go Jan!!!

Nicoleke
Jul 26th, 2003, 09:57 AM
I hope that the german boy will " win ", but I' m not really confident, I really think that Lance Armstrong will " win " .....

Cersei
Jul 26th, 2003, 12:23 PM
yup go Jan !

Elleke
Jul 26th, 2003, 12:39 PM
Go Lance!
Great tour de France for Jan, but I hope Lance can win again..

matthias
Jul 26th, 2003, 01:20 PM
Go Lance!
Great tour de France for Jan, but I hope Lance can win again..

this is a Jan Ullrich thread
if you want to cheer for the american guy, go out here and start your own thread!!!

matthias
Jul 26th, 2003, 01:21 PM
the weather dosen´t looks good for Jan, he hate the rain and prefer the heat

Shedevil
Jul 26th, 2003, 01:51 PM
geez, Jan's not fat! :p he has to win this :worship:

Elleke
Jul 26th, 2003, 02:09 PM
this is a Jan Ullrich thread
if you want to cheer for the american guy, go out here and start your own thread!!!
omg.. sorry...

gentenaire
Jul 26th, 2003, 03:04 PM
*nervous*

Go Jan! Go Jan! Go Jan!

Do what Greg did in '89, Jan!

gentenaire
Jul 26th, 2003, 03:19 PM
same time for now :sad: I'm afraid it's not going to happen. Stupid rain!! :mad:

gentenaire
Jul 26th, 2003, 03:42 PM
Ullrich falls!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Central
Jul 26th, 2003, 03:43 PM
:fiery: :sad:

matthias
Jul 26th, 2003, 04:14 PM
poor Jan :sad:
but it was a great Tour for him


he will be back next year

rand
Jul 29th, 2003, 09:03 AM
For me Jan won this year's tour....
the team time trial,
the fall of beloki in which armstrong should have had penalty time for cutting a whole part of the parcours....
the fall on luz ardiden which advantaged armstrong (as he put it himself it was the adrenaline rush he got from that fall that made him run like hell on that mountain....., ansd as I see it, also ullrich lost more time because of his having to stop his motor running to wait for the american)
ullrich was definitely better than armstrong.....

King Satan
Jul 29th, 2003, 09:07 AM
if ullrich was better than armstrong, he would've won :p

Armstrong!! :worship:

*knows nothing about cycling* :o

King Satan
Jul 29th, 2003, 09:09 AM
they should rename this to "tour de lance" !! :D:D:D

rand
Jul 29th, 2003, 09:10 AM
if ullrich was better than armstrong, he would've won :p

Armstrong!! :worship:

*knows nothing about cycling* :o
not troof....

King Satan
Jul 29th, 2003, 09:12 AM
oh btw, if lance wouldn't have gotten dropped by that stupid person with the bag, he would've won by more! :p (that was funny though :o)

that my friend, is Troof!

rand
Jul 29th, 2003, 09:21 AM
oh btw, if lance wouldn't have gotten dropped by that stupid person with the bag, he would've won by more! :p (that was funny though :o)

that my friend, is Troof!
nope....he said himself that it was the adrenaline shot of having fallen because of the guy with he bag that he went so fast :o
and even then in the last 500meters jan took 20 seconds back from the american...indicating that HE was effectively better......

gentenaire
Jul 29th, 2003, 09:21 AM
oh btw, if lance wouldn't have gotten dropped by that stupid person with the bag, he would've won by more! :p (that was funny though :o)

that my friend, is Troof!

I think he would have won by less, may even have lost!

King Satan
Jul 29th, 2003, 09:22 AM
but he didnt' win, so armstrong is better.

lol, didn't you think that was kinda funny when he fell? :o lol

rand
Jul 29th, 2003, 09:24 AM
but he didnt' win, so armstrong is better.

lol, didn't you think that was kinda funny when he fell? :o lol
it's not always the best man who wins..... :)
certainly not on a tour of three weeks....

gentenaire
Jul 29th, 2003, 09:26 AM
Lance has been extremely lucky this tour.

King Satan
Jul 29th, 2003, 09:26 AM
it's not always the best man who wins..... :)
certainly not on a tour of three weeks....
but hey, that just shows you how good lance is. he can have a bad tour, and still win. or is the competition that bad?

gentenaire
Jul 29th, 2003, 09:28 AM
And because of the team time trial, Lance got the yellow jersey pretty early on. From then on, it's up to the others to attack, to take risks. All he had to do was stay in their wheel. Without the TTT, Lance would have been forced to take risks, he would have been forced to attack and that's a lot more difficult.

King Satan
Jul 29th, 2003, 09:30 AM
why do they even have teams? :confused:

shouldn't it be every man for himself? and if it involves team work, why don't the teammates get any credit for the win? :confused:

disposablehero
Jul 29th, 2003, 09:33 AM
He lost, no ifs ands or buts. But I think he is 2-3 years younger than Armstrong, isn't he? So his time may yet come.

gentenaire
Jul 29th, 2003, 09:36 AM
why do they even have teams? :confused:

shouldn't it be every man for himself? and if it involves team work, why don't the teammates get any credit for the win? :confused:

team mates don't get any credit? Where did you get that idea? The prize money is split between the team members.

If it was individual, you'd still have deals being made between riders.

Besides, the teams provide their riders with their wages.

Maajken
Jul 29th, 2003, 09:38 AM
oh btw, if lance wouldn't have gotten dropped by that stupid person with the bag, he would've won by more! :p (that was funny though :o)

that my friend, is Troof!
stupid person? that guy didnt do anything wrong. lance was stupid for riding so closely to those people.

i agree that he was very lucky this tour and i wonder what would have happened without that TTT. kudos to him for winning in the end but i dont like to see him win again...in yesterdays newspaper he even mentioned sabotage as a reason why he wasnt good in one of the alp stages...come on!

btw king satan: teammates do get credit for their work. i think they split the profit into 10, 9/10 to be devided under teammates and the other 1/10 goes to mechanics and other people of the entourage.

carot
Jul 29th, 2003, 09:41 AM
Oh come on. Lance was still better this tour, not dominant, but the tour takes three weeks and unlike rand i think that never lies about who's the best. How much time did he take on Ulrich in TTT anyway? And everyone knows the burden of taking the yellow jersey early on. The leader has duties that exhaust you even more than the stages itself. And you're making it sound like Lance should fall every stage as that would make him even more dangerous. Jeez, get a grip.

Ulrich wasn't good enough to win. He said so himself, if Lance had attacked early on when Jan was sick than he would have been home with his lil daughter after the first week.

Give Ulrich a year and he'll beat anyone as he has more talent than Lance, but this year Lance was still the best.

rand
Jul 29th, 2003, 09:51 AM
He lost, no ifs ands or buts. But I think he is 2-3 years younger than Armstrong, isn't he? So his time may yet come.
he already won five years ago ;)
and in contrary with tennis, in cyclism there's a lot of ifs.....certainly in this tour......

Maajken
Jul 29th, 2003, 09:54 AM
Ulrich wasn't good enough to win. He said so himself, if Lance had attacked early on when Jan was sick than he would have been home with his lil daughter after the first week.
I dont think Lance was good enough to attack on l'alpe d'huez when Jan was sick. That's another "what if". It seems so easy to think that lance can just attack whenever he feels like it. Last year he would have followed Mayo when he went off, this year he didnt. It wasnt a tactical error, he just wasnt good enough.

rand
Jul 29th, 2003, 09:54 AM
stupid person? that guy didnt do anything wrong. lance was stupid for riding so closely to those people.

i agree that he was very lucky this tour and i wonder what would have happened without that TTT. kudos to him for winning in the end but i dont like to see him win again...in yesterdays newspaper he even mentioned sabotage as a reason why he wasnt good in one of the alp stages...come on!

btw king satan: teammates do get credit for their work. i think they split the profit into 10, 9/10 to be devided under teammates and the other 1/10 goes to mechanics and other people of the entourage.
that's also what bothers me with lance...and he never gives credit (oh except for the itt where he lost 1.30 to jan...he actually said ullrich rode good :eek: (but after saying for a few minutes that HE had such a bad day.... :roll: )
I didn't even hear a good word for the fact ulle waited for him when he fell...the only thing I heard was ME! ME! ME!.....he has no respect.....

carot
Jul 29th, 2003, 09:55 AM
he already won five years ago ;)
and in contrary with tennis, in cyclism there's a lot of ifs.....certainly in this tour......
yes, but the ifs in this tour lie not so much with Jan or Lance, but with Beloki, Hamilton, Leipheimer,...

rand
Jul 29th, 2003, 09:56 AM
I dont think Lance was good enough to attack on l'alpe d'huez when Jan was sick. That's another "what if". It seems so easy to think that lance can just attack whenever he feels like it. Last year he would have followed Mayo when he went off, this year he didnt. It wasnt a tactical error, he just wasnt good enough.
don't forget also the work that mayo did for lance....those rumours that started before the tour that mayo would go to us-postal next year may be right after all :roll:

gentenaire
Jul 29th, 2003, 09:57 AM
btw king satan: teammates do get credit for their work. i think they split the profit into 10, 9/10 to be devided under teammates and the other 1/10 goes to mechanics and other people of the entourage.


Yup, that's what I heard as well.

And to give you an idea how much the prize money is, US Postal won the most, some €400.000, I believe. Devided by 10, this means that the riders get about €40.000 . Kim Clijsters got twice that amount by winning Stanford on Sunday.

There are riders of lower teams who'll only get about €2000. So little for such tough three weeks.

gentenaire
Jul 29th, 2003, 09:58 AM
yes, but the ifs in this tour lie not so much with Jan or Lance, but with Beloki, Hamilton, Leipheimer,...

I agree. Those are huge what-ifs! Along with the 'what if there hadn't been a TTT'.

carot
Jul 29th, 2003, 09:58 AM
I dont think Lance was good enough to attack on l'alpe d'huez when Jan was sick. That's another "what if". It seems so easy to think that lance can just attack whenever he feels like it. Last year he would have followed Mayo when he went off, this year he didnt. It wasnt a tactical error, he just wasnt good enough.
indeed, he wasn't good enough to make the difference in the alpes, and as both Lance and Bruyneel had said long before the tour started, the tour wouldn't be decided in the alps but later in the Pyrenees, and what happened? Yes, Lance was good enough to attack there. No dominance, but good enough to make the difference.

Now, i'm not saying it was planned that he would be "bad" in the Alpes, but it was a tactical move to be at a full 100% later in the tour.

rand
Jul 29th, 2003, 09:59 AM
yes, but the ifs in this tour lie not so much with Jan or Lance, but with Beloki, Hamilton, Leipheimer,...
I wouldn't put hamilton in the same category as leipheimer and beloki....he was indeed a fave of mine before the tour.....but I'm not sure whether that shoulder problem has been more a disadvanage as what the media has put it......
after all, they let him use medication that otherwise are on the doping list......maybe it helped him at some time.....

carot
Jul 29th, 2003, 09:59 AM
I agree. Those are huge what-ifs! Along with the 'what if there hadn't been a TTT'.
The TTT is back for a few years now, everyone knows it, so just make your team that you won't suck at it. I'm sorry but nor Beloki nor Ulrich can say they "lost" the tour in TTT.

carot
Jul 29th, 2003, 10:01 AM
I agree. Those are huge what-ifs! Along with the 'what if there hadn't been a TTT'.
If there weren't any mountains maybe Hans De Clerq could have won his first tour :p

rand
Jul 29th, 2003, 10:01 AM
indeed, he wasn't good enough to make the difference in the alpes, and as both Lance and Bruyneel had said long before the tour started, the tour wouldn't be decided in the alps but later in the Pyrenees, and what happened? Yes, Lance was good enough to attack there. No dominance, but good enough to make the difference.

Now, i'm not saying it was planned that he would be "bad" in the Alpes, but it was a tactical move to be at a full 100% later in the tour.
he was only better in ONE pyrennees-stage....and even that "better" is discutable.....therefore the "ifs"

carot
Jul 29th, 2003, 10:03 AM
he was only better in ONE pyrennees-stage....and even that "better" is discutable.....therefore the "ifs"
Ulrich took considerably much time in only ONE stage, the first TT, and there are a lot of "what if's" as Lance was dehydrated there, what's your point?

rand
Jul 29th, 2003, 10:03 AM
The TTT is back for a few years now, everyone knows it, so just make your team that you won't suck at it. I'm sorry but nor Beloki nor Ulrich can say they "lost" the tour in TTT.
beloki certainly not....because once has a "reputation" in that exercise...but bianchi? hell that team is a few months old......
and btw...the fact that there IS a TTT doesn't mean it should count for INDIVIDUAL rankings....that's the whole point.....it has nothing to do with individual performances, yet it counts.... that's not fair.....

carot
Jul 29th, 2003, 10:04 AM
beloki certainly not....because once has a "reputation" in that exercise...but bianchi? hell that team is a few months old......
and btw...the fact that there IS a TTT doesn't mean it should count for INDIVIDUAL rankings....that's the whole point.....it has nothing to do with individual performances, yet it counts.... that's not fair.....
If a sprinter wins a stage, that means he won it on his own without his team controlling the race? Yeah right, so that shouldn't count either than in the overall standings?

gentenaire
Jul 29th, 2003, 10:06 AM
If they really want a TTT (I think they look rather nice) for the sponsor's sake, then they should make it a lot shorter. Hey, why not start with a TTT and have an entire team in yellow the second day!

rand
Jul 29th, 2003, 10:07 AM
Ulrich took considerably much time in only ONE stage, the first TT, and there are a lot of "what if's" as Lance was dehydrated there, what's your point?
about that dehydrated, that seems like a typical lance explanation to me...I don't know if you bike yourself but, if he really was he wouldn,' have been second.......he would have lost more time than that...certainly considering he wasn't able to make the difference in the other stages......
my point was only that you couldn't really say that armstrong was better in the pyrenneees......

rand
Jul 29th, 2003, 10:08 AM
If a sprinter wins a stage, that means he won it on his own without his team controlling the race? Yeah right, so that shouldn't count either than in the overall standings?
euh.....how much individual time a sprinter ever wins in a massasprint? a few bonification seconds, never more.......

carot
Jul 29th, 2003, 10:10 AM
euh.....how much individual time a sprinter ever wins in a massasprint? a few bonification seconds, never more.......
so all those sprinters who wanna wear the yellow jersey for a day in the beginning are fools :p

carot
Jul 29th, 2003, 10:12 AM
about that dehydrated, that seems like a typical lance explanation to me...I don't know if you bike yourself but, if he really was he wouldn,' have been second.......he would have lost more time than that...certainly considering he wasn't able to make the difference in the other stages......
my point was only that you couldn't really say that armstrong was better in the pyrenneees......
ok, then my point was that Ulrich wasn't better in the TT which was shown by the last TT on saturday.

Which means they were both very good and neither was dominant. Which i stated in like all my posts here.

rand
Jul 29th, 2003, 10:14 AM
ok, then my point was that Ulrich wasn't better in the TT which was shown by the last TT on saturday.

Which means they were both very good and neither was dominant. Which i stated in like all my posts here.
fine....
but I still believe jan was better overall.....

King Satan
Jul 29th, 2003, 10:14 AM
team mates don't get any credit? Where did you get that idea? The prize money is split between the team members.

If it was individual, you'd still have deals being made between riders.

Besides, the teams provide their riders with their wages.
well i don't see the teammates receiving the trophy with lance. and i don't see them getting any credit on the tv or the papers. that's what i'm talking about.

rand
Jul 29th, 2003, 10:15 AM
so all those sprinters who wanna wear the yellow jersey for a day in the beginning are fools :p
no but it doesn't matter in the end..... :p

gentenaire
Jul 29th, 2003, 10:15 AM
Lance was at a clear advantage in the last TT since he didn't have to take any risks. That last TT was dangerous! Lance could adapt his speed to what Ullrich was doing. Ullrich couldn't do that.

rand
Jul 29th, 2003, 10:17 AM
well i don't see the teammates receiving the trophy with lance. and i don't see them getting any credit on the tv or the papers. that's what i'm talking about.
yes they do....if you follow the tour.....
for example last year there was this whole thing about heras......
also the cyclists themselves always thank their team in the interviews......
but still, they are teammates, not stars...you cannot have 200 stars in a peloton.....

carot
Jul 29th, 2003, 10:18 AM
no but it doesn't matter in the end..... :p
then why do they have these stages if it doesn't matter anyway and all they do is make people fall :p

rand
Jul 29th, 2003, 10:20 AM
then why do they have these stages if it doesn't matter anyway and all they do is make people fall :p
ah but I don't say they shouldn't HAVE a ttt, and they do have these stages not for the general classification, but
a)to make the tour longer
b)to have variation
c)to let other cyclists have a bit of sun shine on them

King Satan
Jul 29th, 2003, 10:21 AM
Rand, get over it! your boy lost! :p

Hail Armstrong!!! :woohoo: lol

carot
Jul 29th, 2003, 10:21 AM
Lance was at a clear advantage in the last TT since he didn't have to take any risks. That last TT was dangerous! Lance could adapt his speed to what Ullrich was doing. Ullrich couldn't do that.
Exactly. He was at a clear advantage = he was better, cos even without taking risks he never lost more than a few seconds to Ulrich. Which means Lance was better than Ulrich in TT, as i don't count that one TT where Lance lost time, as you guys don't count the Pyrennees stage where Lance won time on Ulrich :p

[sarcastic mode]
btw Ulrich fell in that last TT and he still lost??? OMG he must have been so bad cos with that adrenaline he should have taken like ten minutes on Lance. :)
[/sarcastic mode towards the s*** l*****] ;)

carot
Jul 29th, 2003, 10:22 AM
yes they do....if you follow the tour.....
for example last year there was this whole thing about heras......
also the cyclists themselves always thank their team in the interviews......
but still, they are teammates, not stars...you cannot have 200 stars in a peloton.....
there also is a standing for teams, so teams get enough credit Satan, you just don't follow cycling :p

King Satan
Jul 29th, 2003, 10:23 AM
Exactly. He was at a clear advantage = he was better, cos even without taking risks he never lost more than a few seconds to Ulrich. Which means Lance was better than Ulrich in TT, as i don't count that one TT where Lance lost time, as you guys don't count the Pyrennees stage where Lance won time on Ulrich :p

[sarcastic mode]
btw Ulrich fell in that last TT and he still lost??? OMG he must have been so bad cos with that adrenaline he should have taken like ten minutes on Lance. :)
[/sarcastic mode towards the s*** l*****] ;)
LMAO!! :lol:

rand
Jul 29th, 2003, 10:24 AM
Exactly. He was at a clear advantage = he was better, cos even without taking risks he never lost more than a few seconds to Ulrich. Which means Lance was better than Ulrich in TT, as i don't count that one TT where Lance lost time, as you guys don't count the Pyrennees stage where Lance won time on Ulrich :p

[sarcastic mode]
btw Ulrich fell in that last TT and he still lost??? OMG he must have been so bad cos with that adrenaline he should have taken like ten minutes on Lance. :)
[/sarcastic mode towards the s*** l*****] ;)
over that between sarcastic mode.....you know perfectly why this isn't troof :p
over the rest....no that is'nt troof either.....because the RAIN was advantaging him :p
(yes I know, like the heat was advantaging ulle in the other one :p )

carot
Jul 29th, 2003, 10:24 AM
ah but I don't say they shouldn't HAVE a ttt, and they do have these stages not for the general classification, but
a)to make the tour longer
b)to have variation
c)to let other cyclists have a bit of sun shine on them
Well, same goes for TTT. And you guys will talk differently next year cos if Ulrich keeps his team together and gets some automatisms they're better in TTT than Lance's team. It's in the mountains that Ulrich should find better teammates.

Maajken
Jul 29th, 2003, 10:27 AM
the whole dehydration explanation is utter crap! rand is right. if a person is really dehydrated, he couldnt possibly still be that good and finish second but then again maybe he had other stuff in his blood to keep him going *cough* :p

King Satan
Jul 29th, 2003, 10:28 AM
so guys, what are the chances of armstrong winning it next time?

he said he's gonna work even harder now. cos this tour was unacceptable for him. you think he might burn himself out training?

Maajken
Jul 29th, 2003, 10:29 AM
thats another thing i dont like about him. he won the tour and says his form was unacceptable. what does that say about his competitors? he's such a classy guy :rolleyes:

King Satan
Jul 29th, 2003, 10:31 AM
thats another thing i dont like about him. he won the tour and says his form was unacceptable. what does that say about his competitors? he's such a classy guy :rolleyes:
HELLO!! he had a bad tour, and he still kicked their asses :p lol

he won his other tours by over 6 minutes or something (from what the tv said) and this one by only a minute and something

rand
Jul 29th, 2003, 10:32 AM
so guys, what are the chances of armstrong winning it next time?

he said he's gonna work even harder now. cos this tour was unacceptable for him. you think he might burn himself out training?
there's no way lance is gonna win next year....now ulle was at a time he hadn't race for two years.....next year that will be something else.....
he wil be much better than armstrong then.....
also, armstrong is getting old I think.....
and he has much less talent....and next time beloki will be back......for the first time this year he made a decent impression......
plus....now the other ones know armstrong isn't unbeatable, so next year the attacks on him will really com from everywhere...also maybe with a sevilla coming back.....

carot
Jul 29th, 2003, 10:32 AM
(yes I know, like the heat was advantaging ulle in the other one :p )

exactly. you know the arguments i can easily use to make you swallow yours, so just admit we have a deserving winner? he was the best, not by far, but he was the best, simply cos he won in a race that takes three weeks, that never lies.

People wanted an exciting tour, they got it: very good races, people attacked a lot, time differences that weren't big, and now they nag cos Lance didn't deserve it as he won by only a small difference? Jeez... just say you hate Armstrong then and can't accept the fact that he was still the winner this year. :D

And don't worry i don't see any contenders for Ulrich the next few years if he trains as he has been doing the last year ;)

rand
Jul 29th, 2003, 10:33 AM
HELLO!! he had a bad tour, and he still kicked their asses :p lol

he won his other tours by over 6 minutes or something (from what the tv said) and this one by only a minute and something
the difference this year was that the other ones dared attacking him.....that's all.....

carot
Jul 29th, 2003, 10:33 AM
the whole dehydration explanation is utter crap! rand is right. if a person is really dehydrated, he couldnt possibly still be that good and finish second but then again maybe he had other stuff in his blood to keep him going *cough* :p
if a person is really sick he can't climb alpe d'huez and all those other mountains (depending on what's in his blood of course ;))

King Satan
Jul 29th, 2003, 10:33 AM
LOL! i think they're even more scared of him now then they were before. he just had a terrible tour, and still won. i'd say they're more scared ;)

rand
Jul 29th, 2003, 10:35 AM
LOL! i think they're even more scared of him now then they were before. he just had a terrible tour, and still won. i'd say they're more scared ;)
I think the other cyclists are just laughing at him for not being able to admit that the gap is closing.....

carot
Jul 29th, 2003, 10:36 AM
the difference this year was that the other ones dared attacking him.....that's all.....
the main difference was that they had the abilities to attack. two years ago Ulrich attacked too, but he just wasn't good enough that year, now he was.

and, no, i don't think Armstrong will win next year. He should go to the Giro and beat everyone's asses there to shut Simoni's mouth and then lose the tour saying it was too much in one year ;)

Maajken
Jul 29th, 2003, 10:36 AM
HELLO!! he had a bad tour, and he still kicked their asses :p lol

he won his other tours by over 6 minutes or something (from what the tv said) and this one by only a minute and something
he didnt kick ass, his advantage in the end was only 1 minute. and even if he had won with 10 minutes advantage, its not a reason to diss your competitors and a sportsman like him should have a modicum of decency and respect.
i used to like lance before he got sick, when he was just a classic rider. but since 1999 he's turned into an arrogant brat. its the same thing what happened to johan musseeuw actually after he had his accident..hmmm ;)

rand
Jul 29th, 2003, 10:36 AM
if a person is really sick he can't climb alpe d'huez and all those other mountains (depending on what's in his blood of course ;))
you will get on them....you will just lose a significant amount of time....(also remember that the climb to alpe d'huez wasn't really one of the fastest ever.....

King Satan
Jul 29th, 2003, 10:37 AM
I think the other cyclists are just laughing at him for not being able to admit that the gap is closing.....
i don't think they're laughing lol. they must be like "man, what the hell do we have to do to beat this guy" lol they're gonna have to bust a tanya harding on him in order to win :p lol!

carot
Jul 29th, 2003, 10:37 AM
I think the other cyclists are just laughing at him for not being able to admit that the gap is closing.....
i'm sorry but i think the other cyclists have more respect for Lance than you show here. Laughing at him? Yeah, right. lol

carot
Jul 29th, 2003, 10:39 AM
he didnt kick ass, his advantage in the end was only 1 minute. and even if he had won with 10 minutes advantage, its not a reason to diss your competitors and a sportsman like him should have a modicum of decency and respect.
i used to like lance before he got sick, when he was just a classic rider. but since 1999 he's turned into an arrogant brat. its the same thing what happened to johan musseeuw actually after he had his accident..hmmm ;)
hey don't compare him to museeuw! :D at least lance is rather eloquent! (i love his french :drool: )

rand
Jul 29th, 2003, 10:39 AM
i'm sorry but i think the other cyclists have more respect for Lance than you show here. Laughing at him? Yeah, right. lol
I was just referring to king satan's totally absurd comment, wasn't meaniong that one :p
I have respect for him... I just dislike him.... :p

carot
Jul 29th, 2003, 10:39 AM
i'm sorry but i think the other cyclists have more respect for Lance than you show here. Laughing at him? Yeah, right. lol
they suck up to him to find out what he takes yeah ;)

rand
Jul 29th, 2003, 10:39 AM
i don't think they're laughing lol. they must be like "man, what the hell do we have to do to beat this guy" lol they're gonna have to bust a tanya harding on him in order to win :p lol!
see, carot? :lol:

carot
Jul 29th, 2003, 10:40 AM
I was just referring to king satan's totally absurd comment, wasn't meaniong that one :p
I have respect for him... I just dislike him.... :p
man! i hate it that i can't use the words: racist and double standards here :sad: :D

King Satan
Jul 29th, 2003, 10:40 AM
he didnt kick ass, his advantage in the end was only 1 minute. and even if he had won with 10 minutes advantage, its not a reason to diss your competitors and a sportsman like him should have a modicum of decency and respect.
i used to like lance before he got sick, when he was just a classic rider. but since 1999 he's turned into an arrogant brat. its the same thing what happened to johan musseeuw actually after he had his accident..hmmm ;)
how did he dis them? where did he say bad things about them? even if he did compliment them, you'd still have something bad to say, cos you're just hating on him. :p

what should he say? "they're great, but i'm so much greater than them, that's why i won" lol

carot
Jul 29th, 2003, 10:40 AM
yeah yeah *mumbles* ;)

Maajken
Jul 29th, 2003, 10:41 AM
Lance in the Giro? He'll get as far as Simoni in the Tour. They're 2 completely different races and i dont think Italy is Lance's kinda thing.

Another thing i dont get is why riders like Mayo, Basso (and heras and rubiera in the past) choose to ride for US postal and sacrifice their own chances to win a major tour :confused:

rand
Jul 29th, 2003, 10:42 AM
man! i hate it that i can't use the words: racist and double standards here :sad: :D
Yes you can...wait I'll help :lol:
damn bastard american I hate your fucking guts, get back from where you come from!
we don't need your kind here :lol:
(damn this actually feels good :D )

Maajken
Jul 29th, 2003, 10:42 AM
how did he dis them? where did he say bad things about them? even if he did compliment them, you'd still have something bad to say, cos you're just hating on him. :p

what should he say? "they're great, but i'm so much greater than them, that's why i won" lol
lol im not gonna repeat myself. check the previous page will ya :p

carot
Jul 29th, 2003, 10:43 AM
Well i understand for Rubiera. But Heras (and maybe Mayo and Basso)??? I never understood that either. Ok, i always found Heras overrated but still, it's weird giving up all your chances to win by going to US Postal. And i heard they don't even pay that well seeing Lance gets it all lol

rand
Jul 29th, 2003, 10:43 AM
Lance in the Giro? He'll get as far as Simoni in the Tour. They're 2 completely different races and i dont think Italy is Lance's kinda thing.

Another thing i dont get is why riders like Mayo, Basso (and heras and rubiera in the past) choose to ride for US postal and sacrifice their own chances to win a major tour :confused:
two words: "mo' money"

carot
Jul 29th, 2003, 10:44 AM
Yes you can...wait I'll help :lol:
damn bastard american I hate your fucking guts, get back from where you come from!
we don't need your kind here :lol:
(damn this actually feels good :D )
you just HATE armerstong cos he's an AMERICAN! :mad:

yeah, feels pretty good rand :D

King Satan
Jul 29th, 2003, 10:45 AM
lol im not gonna repeat myself. check the previous page will ya :p
but i'm sleepy :sad: lol

it's like almost 3am here. i think i should go to bed in a lil bit. but acting like i know something about cycling is kinda fun. lol

oooooo guess what guys? i just got the cycling channel, here in america. so you guys better watch out, my knowledge will be greater than yours very soon ;) :cool:

carot
Jul 29th, 2003, 10:45 AM
two words: "mo' money"
really? ok maybe Myao isn't paid that well seeing he's in a "small" team, but Basso? I doubt Feretti pays him poorly no? And Basso can so much more than just the Tour, he's very complete. I think it's not mo' money, but mo' pills ;)

Maajken
Jul 29th, 2003, 10:46 AM
well obviously its a money thing. but if they went their own chance and maybe won a tour, a giro or a vuelta, wouldnt that get them a pile of cash aswell? + they'd be in historybooks forever...does that mean nothing to a sportsman anymore? i just dont get it lol

King Satan
Jul 29th, 2003, 10:46 AM
Yes you can...wait I'll help :lol:
damn bastard american I hate your fucking guts, get back from where you come from!
we don't need your kind here :lol:
(damn this actually feels good :D )
*sings american national anthem* :p

oh say can you see!!..........:p

rand
Jul 29th, 2003, 10:47 AM
you just HATE armerstong cos he's an AMERICAN! :mad:

yeah, feels pretty good rand :D
are you saying I'm a racist? :mad:
I have a lot of friends that are ...euh ..Amercians, but as I always say, each to their side of the atlantic, and then everyone is happier! :lol:
(do they have a ku klux klan or nazi or anything really disgustingly racist smiley somewhere?)
(oh and to everyone reading this post IT'S A JOKE OK? I DON'T MEAN THAT)

King Satan
Jul 29th, 2003, 10:48 AM
Carot!! i demand that you ban rand right this minute!!!! :fiery:

rand
Jul 29th, 2003, 10:49 AM
well obviously its a money thing. but if they went their own chance and maybe won a tour, a giro or a vuelta, wouldnt that get them a pile of cash aswell? + they'd be in historybooks forever...does that mean nothing to a sportsman anymore? i just dont get it lol
yes but maybe they don't feel able to handle the pressure (yetà and then if they lose they loose everything, as now...they ride for armstrong a few years and they won't ever have to work again in their live ;) )

carot
Jul 29th, 2003, 10:50 AM
are you saying I'm a racist? :mad:
I have a lot of friends that are ...euh ..Amercians, but as I always say, each to their side of the atlantic, and then everyone is happier! :lol:
(do they have a ku klux klan or nazi or anything really disgustingly racist smiley somewhere?)
(oh and to everyone reading this post IT'S A JOKE OK? I DON'T MEAN THAT)
yuo're a student right?

ARMERSTRONG will kick your BIG FAT ASS and will show them europers what america is all about, we don't have stars in our flag for nothing you know EUROPER! i bet europeland doesn't even have a flag!

carot
Jul 29th, 2003, 10:50 AM
Carot!! i demand that you ban rand right this minute!!!! :fiery:
oh fuck, the minute's passed, what do i do now! :scared: :p

rand
Jul 29th, 2003, 10:50 AM
*sings american national anthem* :p

oh say can you see!!..........:p
BURN! BURN! BURN! :lol:
ok shouldn' we get back on topic now? :D

King Satan
Jul 29th, 2003, 10:51 AM
BURN! BURN! BURN! :lol:
ok shouldn' we get back on topic now? :D
damn nazi!! :p lol

ban him, carot!!

carot
Jul 29th, 2003, 10:51 AM
BURN! BURN! BURN! :lol:
ok shouldn' we get back on topic now? :D
back on topic is impossible for the next 11 months as this is a topic about ulrich winning the tour ;)

Maajken
Jul 29th, 2003, 10:52 AM
yes but maybe they don't feel able to handle the pressure (yetà and then if they lose they loose everything, as now...they ride for armstrong a few years and they won't ever have to work again in their live ;) )
bastards! they have to think of the audience damnit and not of their wallets! they should feel like it's their duty to battle with the big ones in the big tours to make the people happy! http://www.opkikkertje.nl/smilies/boos/boos003.gif

rand
Jul 29th, 2003, 10:53 AM
yuo=owned! :lol: yuo can't even spell "yuors" correctly! :p

irma
Jul 29th, 2003, 10:53 AM
is jan really going back to telecom? doesn't that man have respect for himself?

rand
Jul 29th, 2003, 10:53 AM
damn nazi!! :p lol

ban him, carot!!
rand the nazi-jew...... :cool:

Maajken
Jul 29th, 2003, 10:54 AM
first thing i hear about it irma and i'd be surprised if he went back tbh

King Satan
Jul 29th, 2003, 10:54 AM
rand the nazi-jew...... :cool:
lol!!! fucking hitler!

rand
Jul 29th, 2003, 10:54 AM
is jan really going back to telecom? doesn't that man have respect for himself?
what????????????

rand
Jul 29th, 2003, 10:55 AM
lol!!! fucking hitler!
euh?
fucking bush? :D

irma
Jul 29th, 2003, 10:56 AM
I saw that in a bild headline. he (or his management) is talking with telecom again. if it's true then he is nuts :o

carot
Jul 29th, 2003, 10:56 AM
yeah and i heard lance is coming to lotto-domo :p

carot
Jul 29th, 2003, 10:57 AM
I saw that in a bild headline. he (or his management) is talking with telecom again. if it's true then he is nuts :o
oh the bild lmao :)

King Satan
Jul 29th, 2003, 10:57 AM
euh?
fucking bush? :D
hitler was half jewish :p lol

I'm sending bush to go get you!! :fiery: (i doubt they'll find you though, those stupid guys never find anything :o)

irma
Jul 29th, 2003, 10:57 AM
the bild never lies :p

rand
Jul 29th, 2003, 10:59 AM
yeah and i heard lance is coming to lotto-domo :p
that's not troof! he signed with euskaltel end june 1999 already :lol:

Maajken
Jul 29th, 2003, 10:59 AM
oh bild. we all know how reliable they are ;)

if lance would join lotto domo, i wouldnt be surprised if hans de clerq would indeed win the tour next year :D

carot
Jul 29th, 2003, 10:59 AM
the bild never lies :p
:)

carot
Jul 29th, 2003, 11:00 AM
that's not troof! he signed with euskaltel end june 1999 already :lol:
he's basque? omg i knew you were a racist PIG :D

King Satan
Jul 29th, 2003, 11:01 AM
hey!! let's talk about how lance is gonna kick that guy's ass again. cos this team stuff is confusing :o

remember guys, i've never watched a race before :o:p

rand
Jul 29th, 2003, 11:04 AM
hitler was half jewish :p lol

I'm sending bush to go get you!! :fiery: (i doubt they'll find you though, those stupid guys never find anything :o)
no he wasn't...the RUMOUR has it that his grandmother was jewish...which would make him a quarter jewish.....enough to get in the camps by his own standards, but not as much as half....

rand
Jul 29th, 2003, 11:06 AM
hitler was half jewish :p lol

I'm sending bush to go get you!! :fiery: (i doubt they'll find you though, those stupid guys never find anything :o)
they do if it's in their interest :p
it's NOT in their interest to find saddam or bin laden :p
but if they try to get me, I'll threaten with a few atomic bombs :lol:

King Satan
Jul 29th, 2003, 11:06 AM
no he wasn't...the RUMOUR has it that his grandmother was jewish...which would make him a quarter jewish.....enough to get in the camps by his own standards, but not as much as half....
oh yeah?? well, whatever! you suck anyways! (:o)

wasn't his step dad a jew?

rand
Jul 29th, 2003, 11:06 AM
those damn infidels!

King Satan
Jul 29th, 2003, 11:07 AM
they do if it's in their interest :p
it's NOT in their interest to find saddam or bin laden :p
but if they try to get me, I'll threaten with a few atomic bombs :lol:
i'm sending bin laden to shove a dynamite up your ass if you don't shut up! :fiery: lol

rand
Jul 29th, 2003, 11:07 AM
oh yeah?? well, whatever! you suck anyways! (:o)

wasn't his step dad a jew?
don't think so, but even then taht wouldn' make him a jew would it? :lol:
but I heard his boyfriend when he was in vienna was a jew :o

King Satan
Jul 29th, 2003, 11:08 AM
don't think so, but even then taht wouldn' make him a jew would it? :lol:
but I heard his boyfriend when he was in vienna was a jew :o
that was a seperate question :p

rand
Jul 29th, 2003, 11:09 AM
i'm sending bin laden to shove a dynamite up your ass if you don't shut up! :fiery: lol
oh yeah? well...euh...I'm sending jan ullrich to shit on yuor face! (remember his problems during alpe d'huez? :D ), ah, and he'll bring christophe moreau too!

King Satan
Jul 29th, 2003, 11:12 AM
oh yeah? well...euh...I'm sending jan ullrich to shit on yuor face! (remember his problems during alpe d'huez? :D ), ah, and he'll bring christophe moreau too!

ewwwww! lol!, is that what he was sick from? lol. i have no idea, cos i don't know anything about cycling. i've never even watched it before :p

AMERICA!!!!!! :woohoo:

http://store3.yimg.com/I/united-states-flag_1749_672195

rand
Jul 29th, 2003, 11:14 AM
euh.... VANDEBROECK will win next year!

King Satan
Jul 29th, 2003, 11:17 AM
euh.... VANDEBROECK will win next year!
haha! when americans mind their own business!! :p lol

ok, i've had enough fun for one night, cya around ppl :wavey:

Iconoclast
Jul 29th, 2003, 12:06 PM
I like Jan Ullrich and I wanted him to win. But there's no deying that Lance Armstrong was superior over the course of three weeks. That's awfully impressive when he evidently wasn't at his peak at some key stages.

If he shows up at full strength next year, no one can touch him, not even Ullrich. I think his biggest threats will be diseases, injuries, and crashes. And only then his competitors. Remember, this is a guy who can climb like Pantani and trial like Indurain.

It's a misconception to think that the TDF 2003 showed that the competitors are catching up with Armstrong. It did not, it rather revealed that Lance is vulnerable if he's not at his best. His rivals were roughly on the same level as in previous years.

Roberto Heras doesn't challenge for the Tour on another team, because he knows he can't win it. He is contend with helping one of the greatest stage riders ever to success in the TDF and then fulfilling his own ambitions in the Vuelta (where he was beaten by Aitor Gonzales last year because of the usual weak TT'ing).