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tazban1
Jul 22nd, 2003, 09:19 AM
Okay, according to the dictionary definition, it would be a sport. But according to the dictionary definition, almost anything is a sport.

To me, it's just a game, not a sport. Of course, a sport is also a game, but a game isn't necessarily a sport.

I think a sport should require great athleticism and I don't think golf is all that athletic. The most athletic aspects of golf is walking and carrying the clubs, and neither are technically part of the actual game so they shouldn't count.

I also don't consider these to be sports: car racing, any type of animal racing or equestrian (I suppose it would be a sport to the animal, but not the human), hunting, billiards, archery, spelling bees, chess, bowling, curling

King Satan
Jul 22nd, 2003, 09:25 AM
no, it's a game. if fatass john daly can play golf, then it's a game lol

I consider these to be real sports: Auto Racing, Boxing, Martial Arts Fighting, and.......damn, i forgot the other one :o

anyways, to me those are real sports, cos you can die at any moment.

*thinking of the other one i left out :o*

propi
Jul 22nd, 2003, 09:27 AM
Yep

carot
Jul 22nd, 2003, 09:29 AM
Sure it is, why not?

You don't have to be a "great athlete" (cf. your definition of a sport) to play tennis or to play football/soccer either. Or what about volleyball, basketball, handball? Jeez, nothing would be a sport except cycling, triathlon, marathon and stuff where you really have to go deep into your ressources.

irma
Jul 22nd, 2003, 09:52 AM
I guess you need some coordination too play golf. I don't think you can be really good in a few days like with bowling;)

tazban1
Jul 22nd, 2003, 09:58 AM
You don't have to be a "great athlete" (cf. your definition of a sport) to play tennis or to play football/soccer either.

:rolleyes: I didn't say you have to be a "great athlete" I wrote that it should require "great athleticism", which are two completely different things. i.e. it should require a lot of physical exertion, not that the person doing it has to be a top athlete.

Tennis - requires , speed, reflexes, strength, flexibility - you run several miles throughout the match.

Basketball - again, you have to run throughout the game, you have to have quick reflexes

Martial arts - again, strength, flexibility, speed

boxing - constantly moving your feet and arms - strength, quickness, reflexes, stamina

volleyball - strength, reflexes

~ The Leopard ~
Jul 22nd, 2003, 10:12 AM
Why should I accept some arbitrary definition? Of course it's a sport.

Not that it matters. What difference does it make what you call it? It requires the abilities that it requires. These either interest you or they don't.

~ The Leopard ~
Jul 22nd, 2003, 10:14 AM
Furthermore, why do you say "just" a game? Isn't this rather tendentious? The "game" of chess (I don't argue that it is a sport) is a more wonderful thing that any sport IMHO.

Sam L
Jul 22nd, 2003, 10:25 AM
It's a game like Chess and Croquet.

tazban1
Jul 22nd, 2003, 10:32 AM
Furthermore, why do you say "just" a game? Isn't this rather tendentious? The "game" of chess (I don't argue that it is a sport) is a more wonderful thing that any sport IMHO.

:rolleyes: I'm not giving it a value by writing "just". As I wrote in my initial post - a sport is a sport and a game whereas a game is not necessarily a sport. It's sort of like saying "just a friend". A romantic partner is normally also a friend but a friend isn't necessarily a romantic partner. That doesn't diminish the value of the friend. i.e. one label is included in two factions, whereas the other is included in only one so "just" is used.


Why should I accept some arbitrary definition? Of course it's a sport.

Who said you did? But you should be able to define your own terms. If you don't agree with mine, give your own definition and argue it instead of just lashing out.

Not that it matters. What difference does it make what you call it? It requires the abilities that it requires. These either interest you or they don't..

:rolleyes: What difference does anything that gets talked about here make?

~ The Leopard ~
Jul 22nd, 2003, 10:34 AM
:rolleyes: What difference does anything that gets talked about here make?

Well, that bit is certainly true. :worship: :)

Gowza
Jul 22nd, 2003, 10:42 AM
it depends on how you define a sport. golfers still need things like technique and so on to actually play well and it is mental. it does have a physical side to it so it is hard to argue against it being a sport. you can't say they don't physically go up against each other because the same thing occurs in swimming and athletics. it's something that doesn't seem like a sport but when you really think about it youo can't really say it isn't.

Sam L
Jul 22nd, 2003, 10:47 AM
The biggest problem I have is that these Golfers strut around pretending to be some kind of athletes when they're not. Half of them are overweight. I'm fitter than most of them. The only reason why they're good at their 'sport' is because they can afford to get into those country clubs. The real athletes are those on the tracks, football fields and tennis courts.

tazban1
Jul 22nd, 2003, 10:58 AM
it depends on how you define a sport. golfers still need things like technique and so on to actually play well and it is mental. it does have a physical side to it so it is hard to argue against it being a sport. you can't say they don't physically go up against each other because the same thing occurs in swimming and athletics. it's something that doesn't seem like a sport but when you really think about it youo can't really say it isn't.

Yes, I understand that. That's why I wrote what I think a sport is. I can respect other people's opinion, I just think that an opinion should be based on set definitions: if not mine, they should give one.

I guess to define my opinion of a sport more clearly: I think it should be a competitive activity that requires a lot of physical exertion and the person doing it should provide most of the effort. The body has to be honed to match the specific activities required of the sport.

That's why I consider swimming a sport: because you have to exert a lot of physical effort throughout the whole thing and you have to be fit to do it well, whereas in golf it's 95% skill and strategy.

~ The Leopard ~
Jul 22nd, 2003, 11:28 AM
Hmmmm, the primary meaning given in the Macquarie Dictionary is:

"an activity pursued for exercise or pleasure, usu. requiring some degree of physical prowess, as hunting, fishing, racing, baseball, tennis, golf, bowling, wrestling, boxing, etc."

Other dictionaries seem to give even wider definitions.

So, as the first post said, golf is a sport when you apply dictionary definitions. That'll do me. I don't see any need to make up some definition of my own.

irma
Jul 22nd, 2003, 11:31 AM
swimming or athletics don't seem to be sports?

5 hours in open water without a rest?

tennisplayers already complain when a match last two hours and they rest a few seconds after each point and one and half minute after every three game

decemberlove
Jul 22nd, 2003, 11:42 AM
I consider these to be real sports: Auto Racing, Boxing, Martial Arts Fighting, and.......damn, i forgot the other one :o

anyways, to me those are real sports, cos you can die at any moment.

*thinking of the other one i left out :o*

lol. cos you can die any moment.

now boxing, that is a REAL sport. id say prolly the toughest out there.

but anyway, i think golf is a sport. i suspect those that think otherwise have never played it before. your whole body will be aching after a day of good golf.

hunting, horse racing, i place in the category. a bunch of pathetic, sadist bitches with power issues that feel the need to take said issues out on innocent animals. it doesnt take much to be a jockey, you just hafta be a lil twat. and to hunt all you need is a rifle and some practice. oh yeah,and the ability to balance yourself in a tree stand after drinking 20 beers.

decemberlove
Jul 22nd, 2003, 11:49 AM
Who said you did? But you should be able to define your own terms. If you don't agree with mine, give your own definition and argue it instead of just lashing out.


taz, when you post a thread you will have people agree and disagree with you. it doesnt mean they are necessarily "lashing out" at you. no need to be so defensive.

anyway, im with joui. i dont see the need to make up my own definition.

Schalckske
Jul 22nd, 2003, 11:53 AM
I think in "sports" like soccer, tennis, basketball, ... that somebody without any technical skills simply won't reach the top. So imo this proves that skills are as important as physics, so for me golf is definitely a sport.

IMO, car racing is a whole other story, because you don't depend in the first place about your own skills, but about the "skills of the car" (i'm not saying car racers don't have any skills, but the most important in the sports is the power of the motor, the construction of the chassis, etc...)

the cat
Jul 22nd, 2003, 11:54 AM
Golf is a sport. And Miss Love is quite right when she says that "your whole body will be aching after a day of good golf". :eek: And if you have played poorly then your mind will be aching, too. ;)

I've had to carry my golf bag for many rounds of golf and that can be quite tiring after playing 18 holes.

Miss Love, you're up bright and early today! :p I thought you slept in until noon time. ;)

decemberlove
Jul 22nd, 2003, 11:59 AM
Miss Love, you're up bright and early today! :p I thought you slept in until noon time. ;)

yeah i dunno what happened today. went to bed at 230, and woke up at 7 :(

tazban1
Jul 22nd, 2003, 12:07 PM
taz, when you post a thread you will have people agree and disagree with you. it doesnt mean they are necessarily "lashing out" at you. no need to be so defensive.

I don't mind disagreement, but it just annoys me when people just post to criticize or be rude instead of arguing the topic. I always hate it when people post in a thread just to say "this is a stupid topic" or "who gives a shit" or "whatever" or state an opinion as if it's a fact and other people are stupid for disagreeing without even supporting the opinion. No one makes them go in. Though, I admit that my reply was probably a bit too strong and I may have misread it.

wuneyej
Jul 22nd, 2003, 12:11 PM
My sweet, yummy d-love...I must tell you you're way off with your opinion of jockeys. It takes great strength, sense of balance, and tremendous courage to handle these race horses. To say they're not skilled athletes is simply not true.

You get kisses anyway... :kiss: :kiss:

~ The Leopard ~
Jul 22nd, 2003, 12:18 PM
d-love!!!!!!! :kiss: :hearts:

(Haha, you'll have to share her, wuneye. ;) )

tazban1
Jul 22nd, 2003, 12:23 PM
While we are on this subject though, and it isn't completely unrelated, is why people feel the need to be so interetsed in what they weigh? What do the numbers count for? Surely it's not the measurement that counts, but how you feel and what you see when you look in the mirror. Isn't that a better indicator of weight?

Do you mean what the athletes weigh? I think for most people it's just curiosity. When someone finds something interesting, they normally want to know a whole bunch of stupid, irrelevant things. They're interested for the same reason they want to know about girfriends/boyfriends, pets, favorite colors, etc.

I once asked on a board what size shoes Anna Kournikova wore. I was just curious because I noticed that she had huge hands and feet - but it's not like it would have at all affected my opinion of her. I never did find out - anyone know? :)

decemberlove
Jul 22nd, 2003, 12:28 PM
My sweet, yummy d-love...I must tell you you're way off with your opinion of jockeys. It takes great strength, sense of balance, and tremendous courage to handle these race horses. To say they're not skilled athletes is simply not true.

You get kisses anyway... :kiss: :kiss:

please. balance, yes. but courage? i dont call whipping a horse around "courage". in fact, i see it as the exact opposite. maybe if they rode with stirrups and a saddle, id give them that. until then, they are sick lil sadistic fucks and the same applies to anyone who actually find enjoyment in this sport.

skilled athletes. the jockeys would be nowhere without the horses.

what ever happened to the lil **** that supposedly had a thing in his hand that was giving the horse shocks?

tazban1
Jul 22nd, 2003, 12:37 PM
Nah, I just mean generally.

It's because I've never seen the big fascination with it myself. I can't remember the last time I weighed myself. The numbers to me mean nothing. I can see if I am fat by looking in the mirror... :p

Oh, in that case I'm not sure. I guess at least part of it is curiousity. I weigh myself almost every day and I never really figured out why because I know I'm not going to diet or exercise over it - I don't think I've ever stayed on a diet or exercise regimen for more than one day. It might just be a compulsion for me.

wuneyej
Jul 22nd, 2003, 12:41 PM
sheeeez...at least I gave you kisses. :p

I wouldn't argue they wouldn't be much without a horse. The great majority of jockeys are not sadists, however.

And golf certainly is a sport. :)

irma
Jul 22nd, 2003, 12:42 PM
I don't weight myself anymore but I have a testskirt and when that skirt feels a little thight around me then I eat a little less that day;)

wuneyej
Jul 22nd, 2003, 12:44 PM
d-love!!!!!!! :kiss: :hearts:

(Haha, you'll have to share her, wuneye. ;) )
Well, she's too much woman for me to handle all by myself anyway. ;)

Julian
Jul 22nd, 2003, 12:53 PM
Yes but IMO very very boring! Maybe it's because Im not very good at it. lol

Martian Willow
Jul 22nd, 2003, 12:56 PM
Generally I agree with jouissant and Schalckske, but I do think Golf is a sport. I'm sure this came up when Sorenstam entered that PGA event...imho what makes a sport is that a) it requires some kind of physical dexterity (not athleticism) and b) it provides a 'level playing field' so the skill being tested is the only one that affects the result.

So Golf, Snooker and Darts are sports, but Motor Racing is not, because it allows outside factors (technical and financial) to affect the result. I don't think the dictionary definition is particularly relevant. Obviously other people take different views, and I'm fine with that, except when they give 'Sportsman of the Year' award like the Loreus to Michael bloody Schumacher.

paycheck
Jul 22nd, 2003, 01:05 PM
Can't help myself for posting in this thread. :angel:

Whether or not golf is a sport or a game has been argues a lot in the past. Pro golfers themselves have also been asked whether they think of themselves as an athlete. The arguments are strong for both sides and I agree with some of them for not being a sport.

But imho, it is a sport. It requires superman like coordination and flexibility to hit a ball 300+yards and have the ball stay on the fairway. It requires the mental toughness nobody can imagine to play 72 holes of golf and beat 150 top players around the world to win a golf tournament. A person can dominate in other sports, but in golf no one ever has. Perhaps you would think that Tiger and Jack Nicklaus have dominated. But their dominance pales when you compare them to other dominating figures in sports. But Tiger is the closest anyone has ever got to dominate in golf.

In golf, you have to deal with different course setups every week. Sure tennis has clay, grass, and hard courts. But in golf, every course has its unique features and golfers have to adapt to that. And champion golfers have to beat everyone in the field to win. Unlike tennis you only have to beat the person in front of you, and in recent memory some people have won grand slams because they received a friendlier draw.

So I think golf is a sport. :wavey:

skanky~skanketta
Jul 22nd, 2003, 02:15 PM
hell no.its a game, and a oring ass one at that.

Experimentee
Jul 22nd, 2003, 02:16 PM
Its just a game. If chess is considered just a game then golf should be too.

Mattographer
Jul 22nd, 2003, 02:16 PM
Okay, according to the dictionary definition, it would be a sport. But according to the dictionary definition, almost anything is a sport.

To me, it's just a game, not a sport. Of course, a sport is also a game, but a game isn't necessarily a sport.

I think a sport should require great athleticism and I don't think golf is all that athletic. The most athletic aspects of golf is walking and carrying the clubs, and neither are technically part of the actual game so they shouldn't count.

I also don't consider these to be sports: car racing, any type of animal racing or equestrian (I suppose it would be a sport to the animal, but not the human), hunting, billiards, archery, spelling bees, chess, bowling, curling
Gladly that I'm not only person thought golf is a game but not sport! :D

lakeway11
Jul 22nd, 2003, 02:18 PM
dl quit talking about horse racing b/c u don't know what the fuck u r talking about

lakeway11
Jul 22nd, 2003, 02:20 PM
And golf certainly is a sport. :)

it surely is and that is why i'm good at it:)

gentenaire
Jul 22nd, 2003, 02:23 PM
I like snooker, but I wouldn't call it a sport. When my doctor asks if I'm doing sports, I'm not going to reply, "yes, I play pool."

To me, a sport must be something that gets you in shape. I cannot imagine we'd ever learn to play chess in PE. Chess is a mind game, can be very interesting but I wouldn't call it a sport. I've always associated sport with physical exercise.

TheBoiledEgg
Jul 22nd, 2003, 02:27 PM
If golf is a sport then so is going shopping with any female.

both equally wear the feet and mind out ;) :lol:

the cat
Jul 22nd, 2003, 02:34 PM
Miss Love, Jose Santos, the jockey who was accused of shocking Funnycide to victory in the Kentucky Derby, was cleared of all charges. That was a story made up by the Miami Herald. But it had no validity at all.

I must agree with Wuneyej that jockey's are courageous athletes. They are very small. And the horses they ride are very big and very dangerous! :eek:

And Holly, what kind of sleeping hours are 2:30am to 7am? Isn't that a short nights sleep for you? I hope your allergies aren't still bothering you. :(

Martian Willow
Jul 22nd, 2003, 04:07 PM
No...when I said 'financial' I was referring to sponsors demands, and the control they have over competitors careers. There are financial issues involved in football (and most other professianal team sports), but they don't affect the players ability to compete. Soccer is still very much a meritocracy. :)

Barrie_Dude
Jul 22nd, 2003, 05:01 PM
For Sure a sport! And I Love It!

polishprodigy
Jul 22nd, 2003, 09:40 PM
I used to say that Golf was not a sport,but now I say it is a half-sport. I agree with the poster who said that if john Daly plays it, how can it be a real sport?

ALthough, I do love mini-putt! ;)

King Satan
Jul 22nd, 2003, 09:46 PM
I used to say that Golf was not a sport,but now I say it is a half-sport. I agree with the poster who said that if john Daly plays it, how can it be a real sport?

ALthough, I do love mini-putt! ;)
yup yup that was me! ;) now hook it up with some rep points! ;) lol

Sam L
Jul 22nd, 2003, 11:58 PM
i do believe that golf is a sport. it has all the elements of sportsmanship, technical verve and competition that indeed make it a sport.


So does American Idol or Big Brother. Would you call them sports? ;)

~ The Leopard ~
Jul 23rd, 2003, 12:53 AM
Professional golfers are sportsmen (or -women). They are not athletes, I agree. But we are not discussing whether golf is an athletic sport; we are simply discussing whether it is a sport.

Whether something is played competively is also a separate question. Sports are usually competitive, but games such as chess are also competitive.

The safest thing to do is go with the dictionary definitions, as long as they are not totally crazy. The meanings of words are how they are used in our language and culture. Dictionaries try to record this after lexicographers research actual usage in detail.

Fact is, the lexicographers are right: the word "sport" is indeed used widely enough to cover motor racing and golf (and maybe even snooker), which require physical skills even though they are not athletic sports like tennis, running or boxing. To see that the word "sport" is used in that way, you only have to see what activities are discussed in the sporting pages of newspapers, or covered in TV sports roundups. Yep, there is golf.

Maybe the thread starter really meant something like "Are professional golfers athletes?"

decemberlove
Jul 23rd, 2003, 04:34 AM
wtf is snooker? i like the name

jbone_0307
Jul 23rd, 2003, 04:41 AM
OMG Golf is not a sport and i dont even consider it a game. The only reason a person wins because they are lucky, just like the person ranked #400 who won the british open this year. I think Golf is soooo lame and boring and if i was a commentator i would be sleep. Golf absolutely requires no physicall training :rollseyes:. I mean like a huge overweight guy could win by swinging a golf club. What is that saying about the sport?? All the players do is swing those clubs around and ride in those kool golf carts. They barely even carry their own bags

decemberlove
Jul 23rd, 2003, 04:48 AM
tiger woods is one lucky bitch then, eh?

~ The Leopard ~
Jul 23rd, 2003, 06:34 AM
wtf is snooker? i like the name

Come back to the Love Hut with me, and I'll demonstrate. :devil:

TheBoiledEgg
Jul 23rd, 2003, 09:28 AM
Come back to the Love Hut with me, and I'll demonstrate. :devil:

gonna demonstate shots with the long rest are ya :lol: :lol:

gentenaire
Jul 23rd, 2003, 09:40 AM
I don't know what snooker is either...really!

Hendry who? ;)

~ The Leopard ~
Jul 23rd, 2003, 09:48 AM
sorry sam, but i couldn't possibly list the above shows as sports the way that i do golf. for you see, the last time i checked, i couldn't remember one example of a true sport where utter strangers were allowed to fuck each other as part of the game. :)

I can't even think of many sports where good friends are allowed to fuck each other as part of the game. There should be more sports like that.

decemberlove
Jul 23rd, 2003, 10:52 AM
lol

joui: :kiss:

now seriously, what is it?

King Satan
Jul 23rd, 2003, 10:54 AM
lol

joui: :kiss:

now seriously, what is it?
it's like pool, but the balls are smaller.......only seen it a couple times.

I need sleep, goodnite my beautiful d love! :kiss: :zzz:

King Satan
Jul 23rd, 2003, 10:59 AM
or is that another game i'm thinking of? :confused: lol

King Satan
Jul 23rd, 2003, 10:59 AM
isn't snooker just another name for pool? lol

King Satan
Jul 23rd, 2003, 11:00 AM
*joe is confused and is going to sleep*

seeing_red
Jul 23rd, 2003, 11:01 AM
maybe

King Satan
Jul 23rd, 2003, 11:02 AM
:wavey:

*joe will stay up a few minutes extra*

decemberlove
Jul 23rd, 2003, 11:04 AM
ok thanks joe :)

you have fun sleeping, i just woke up

gentenaire
Jul 23rd, 2003, 11:04 AM
snooker is not the same as pool, but it's similar.

Snooker is played on a bigger table, you get points for every ball you pocket, but certain balls are worth more points than others (black most of all).

King Satan
Jul 23rd, 2003, 11:06 AM
snooker is not the same as pool, but it's similar.

Snooker is played on a bigger table, you get points for every ball you pocket, but certain balls are worth more points than others (black most of all).
yeah, so it was the game i was thinking of :)

~ The Leopard ~
Jul 23rd, 2003, 11:06 AM
It's a game very similar to pool, d-love.

Aha, Tine has already spoken. :)

Martian Willow
Jul 23rd, 2003, 03:58 PM
OMG Golf is not a sport and i dont even consider it a game. The only reason a person wins because they are lucky, just like the person ranked #400 who won the british open this year.

Was it Gary Player (a golfer) who said, 'the funny thing is, the more I practice, the luckier I get'?

Snooker:

http://www.iol.ie/~stpats/snooker.jpg

tazban1
Jul 23rd, 2003, 06:53 PM
The safest thing to do is go with the dictionary definitions, as long as they are not totally crazy.

Maybe the thread starter really meant something like "Are professional golfers athletes?"

To me, a sport should require athletes to play it. That's why I asked if golf was a sport.

My dictionary defines a sport as:
1. any activity or experience that gives enjoyment or recreation; pastime; diversion

2. such an activiy, esp. when competitive, requiring vigorous bodily exertion and carried on, sometimes as a profession, according to some traditional for or set of rules

3. fun or play

There's other definitions, but those don't apply to this context.

according to definitions 1 and 3: board games, shopping, sex, reading, eating, drinking, concert going, music making, watching TV, doing your hair, taking pictures, drawing, painting, writing, etc. could all be called sports.

according to definition 2 - "requiring vigorous bodily exertion" would disqualify golf as sport

mboyle
Jul 23rd, 2003, 08:01 PM
It is a game. Even when you walk and don't use those cool golf carts, you still only burn like, 50 calories an hour:o . It requires great skill, patience, and strategy, but no physical endurance, strength, agility, or anything else that has come to define athletic ability.