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Albireo
Jun 29th, 2003, 10:26 PM
With all of the chaos of the last week, I strongly recommend that everyone pick up a copy of Michael Mewshaw's "Ladies of the Court." Although written twelve years ago, it contains a lot to think about.

It's also depressing. It'll make you even more worried about DH than you already are. Some of the issues, though, are extremely relevant.

moogle san
Jun 29th, 2003, 10:52 PM
Thanks for the tip, albireo. Just read a review (summary) of the book at amazon: sounds quite interesting and, just like you said, very controversial and in a way depressing. Judging from the summary, it sadly reminds me of what you hear about ice-skating.
Quite interesting that the author apparently used a lot of quotes by navratilova. Let's just hope that the book does not apply to Dani's situation, after all she's far from being "dull and inarticulate" (quote from the review at amazon).

GrahamD
Jun 29th, 2003, 10:54 PM
It's also depressing. It'll make you even more worried about DH than you already are. Some of the issues, though, are extremely relevant.

If that's the case, then thanks but no thanks. I need cheering up, not depressing bedtime reading. Think I'll bury my head in the sand on that one. :unsure: :scratch: :bolt:

If anyone wants to read something that isn't depressing, then read Playing the Moldovans at Tennis by Tony Hawks (a British comedian). He accepts a drunken bet to go to Moldova to play and beat the entire Moldovan football team at tennis! Hilarious! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Anyone who likes Bill Bryson's style of writing will love this.

Albireo
Jun 29th, 2003, 11:26 PM
If that's the case, then thanks but no thanks. I need cheering up, not depressing bedtime reading. Think I'll bury my head in the sand on that one. :unsure: :scratch: :bolt:

If anyone wants to read something that isn't depressing, then read Playing the Moldovans at Tennis by Tony Hawks (a British comedian). He accepts a drunken bet to go to Moldova to play and beat the entire Moldovan football team at tennis! Hilarious! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Anyone who likes Bill Bryson's style of writing will love this.


Perfectly understandable. It's hard to read LotC after this.

Maybe, for something DH-related but somewhat positive:

http://www.iht.com/articles/100980.html

At least not all the media have been bastards.

moogle san
Jun 29th, 2003, 11:41 PM
thanks again albireo :wavey:

What a great article :) In a way, it summarises many of the points we were discussing over here. IMHO it's balanced, fair and well-written. THAT is what I expect from the media - not ignoring problems but expressing them in an adequate way.
I particularly like the somewhat wary denunciation of the tabloids in the article :devil:

GrahamD
Jun 29th, 2003, 11:50 PM
Maybe, for something DH-related but somewhat positive:
http://www.iht.com/articles/100980.html
At least not all the media have been bastards.

That's the most balanced media report I have read so far. Maybe someone braver than me would like to post that on GM, it's an article deserving of a wider audience, and while that certain audience may not be so appreciative, it may help in improving their understanding of a situation that few so far have managed to understand.

moogle san
Jun 29th, 2003, 11:53 PM
Love this passage :bounce:

In January, at the Australian Open, Cathy Freeman, the Australian runner and Olympic 400-meter champion who knows quite a bit about handling the weight of expectations and the expectations of weight, met Hantuchova and her British coach Nigel Sears at a barbecue in Melbourne and was overwhelmed by their intensity and curiosity.
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"They just took one look at me, and I could tell immediately that Nigel and Daniela are going places," Freeman said at the time. "They are tough; they are focused, and the look in their eyes, it was almost like wanting to take life out of my marrow."

Words are not enough to describe how much I'd love to see this look in their eyes again...

paycheck
Jun 30th, 2003, 10:41 AM
Thanks for the great article Albireo! :wavey:

But what concerns me is what Nigel said below.

"She is fit and strong, but she is burning off more calories than she is taking in," he told reporters in Berlin before the French Open. "This is a sensitive issue for young girls. They see fashion items which to wear they must not be a couple of pounds overweight. But we have to confront it."

Why did he even talk about fashion? Is he implying that Daniela lost weight because she was trying to fit into some clothes? I just think Nigle said a word too much there.

moogle san
Jun 30th, 2003, 11:14 AM
Yep, I think so, too. I believe he meant that more in general, not exactly referring to danielka. Problem is that the whole tabloid did what they always do: they just turned around the whole sentence and left something out so that it fitted their purpose. I read that sentence in the biggest german tabloid and there you got the impression that Danielka lost weight because SHE wanted to fit into some clothes, not GIRLS IN GENERAL. It's not exactly Nigel's fault I'd say, however he should know what the tabloid makes with such a sentence.

GrahamD
Jun 30th, 2003, 12:03 PM
Maybe, for something DH-related but somewhat positive:

http://www.iht.com/articles/100980.html

At least not all the media have been bastards.

So should we put this article on the GM board? I don't want to be accused of picking fights with those idiots, I've promised not to go there again, and I doubt that many of them have the intelligence to read and understand such a detailed article, but for those whose daily reading material doesn't consist of Mickey Mouse comics, which judging by some older threads I read about ages doesn't leave very many, it might be worth considering.

I just feel that the point that the author is trying to put over here is - Leave Danielka Alone.

mousee
Jun 30th, 2003, 12:11 PM
Danielka :)
we use this nicname 4 young ladies-girls :)
but when u say/write it i feel lot of love+support+protection from you Graham-GREAT! :worship:
we have to learn whole life, and i admire everyone who learns to get closer to someone-interest-biggest prove of love...

GrahamD
Jun 30th, 2003, 03:40 PM
Found this on the Sanex site posted by a Chanda fan....another nice article...


A towering talent - Daniela Hantuchova - ChandaRubinFanatic (6/30/2003) - us

Wimbledon may be over for Daniela Hantuchova, but there's much more to this young star than either a mean backhand or a long set of legs. She spoke with Sue Mott in London. Daniela Hantuchova’s Wimbledon warm-up consisted of being told she was too thin. A couple of tennis matches in Eastbourne also entered the frame, but the principal focus of media scrutiny was the prominence (or otherwise) of her ribcage rather than the performance (or otherwise) of her forehand. She was front and back-page news, but not necessarily for any sporting reason. At last year’s Wimbledon she was introduced to the world as the girl who out-looked Anna Kournikova, with longer legs and, praise be, even a fair game of tennis. This year she was re-introduced as a waif. It is marvellous the way glamour is perceived in such strictly drawn tramlines, like the immaculate white margins of the grass courts themselves. Wimbledon is like biblical Egypt. There are years of plenty, when female tennis players’ bottoms are compared to coal bunkers encased in straining lycra. And there are years of lean, when the women’s dressing room is rumoured to be packed with anorexic twiglets on the brink of hysterical burnout. This must be a year of lean. The victim of this gossip and speculation is far from a hollow-eyed basketcase. Whatever the truth of the matter, the 20-year-old Slovakian is a ravishing rose-cheeked beauty who defends her exceedingly slender frame as a by-product of hard work. Listening to her describe the pace of her life, this explanation seems distinctly plausible. "I have worked very hard this season to be really, really ready. I have been playing so much and training so much that I have burned more calories than I have taken in. I wouldn’t say it’s a problem. I’m really glad I can eat anything I want." This is said with a degree of assertion that borders on waspishness. Subject swatted. Nearly. What about the suggestion of anorexia? Her smooth, serene expression betrays no angst at being thus challenged. "I have proved that physically I don’t have any problems. I played a three-set match in Berlin. I played a three-set match in Rome. It was my opponents who were struggling while I felt fine. So it’s a nice problem. I have to eat more. I think a lot of people would like that." Never a truer word spoken. A lot of people sitting in the stands at Wimbledon and gorging themselves on strawberries and guzzling Pimm’s by the calorific jugful would love to eat and drink as much as they like and never suffer the consequences in girth. But sadly, they will not be watching the ninth seed reach the Wimbledon quarter-finals as she did last year. Though she survived her first-round encounter with French debutante Marion Bartoli on court number two, the much-fancied Hantuchova departed the tournament in a second-round loss to the Japanese player Shinobu Asagoe on Wednesday on the same court, which has become known as the Graveyard of the Seeds. Even before the loss, Hantuchova’s confidence was not at its highest. At the French Open last month she brought the wrath of her English coach upon her for making 101 unforced errors in a second-round loss to the lower-ranked American teenager Ashley Harkleroad. "I didn’t like her attitude," said Nigel Sears at the time. She didn’t much like it either but, by the time she reached Eastbourne, she had rationalised, perhaps minimised, the occasion in her mind. "Nigel didn’t really say I wasn’t trying my best," she equivocated. "I was trying. But sometimes it doesn’t go your way. That’s tennis." The implied shrug of indifference in this statement is entirely out of character. It becomes apparent that Hantuchova is a high-achiever. There is none higher, one suspects, in the whole of Slovakian sport. She is the daughter of a professor in computer science (father, Igor) and an eminent toxicologist (mother, Mariane). Her elder brother, Igor junior, has just qualified as an architect. But it is her grandmother Helena, a former national tennis champion in Czechoslovakia, who is the pivotal figure in Hantuchova’s life. It was grandma who coached little Daniela from the age of six, instilling the principles of intelligence and technique that characterise her play today. "The most important thing she taught me was to enjoy my tennis. She was happy as long as she could see a smile on my face. She also insisted that I always tried to use all my shots, not just hit forehands and backhands mindlessly. Tennis is a game not just of power but intelligence." The tennis club in Bratislava in those days boasted 10 clay courts and a small girl having to be forcibly restrained from hitting balls against the wall into the night. Her grandmother was a friend of Ivan Lendl’s mother, who was herself famous for tying her boy to a netpost while she played. Little Daniela would have balked under such restraint, so determined was she to hit tennis balls all day. But growing up, that was only one facet of her existence. "I studied very hard. My parents were highly educated and valued intelligence very much. I was sent to one of the best high schools in Bratislava. I was very good at mathematics, physics and computer studies. I enjoyed learning languages but I liked everything I studied. I had top marks always, always, always. Tennis was fun but I knew studying well was very important too. "Fitting everything in was unbelievably tough because sometimes I was just so tired. I was going to the court in the afternoons, practising, training and then studying until very late. I went on the (professional tennis) tour at 15, so I was also travelling and playing tournaments. I was training in Florida and flying back to Bratislava every half-year to pick up the books and the papers I needed to study. I would work on my own and then go back home to take the exams. "I am very proud that I finished my studies because the work was very, very hard." Playing tennis does not quite satisfy Hantuchova’s hunger for employment, so now she is learning Italian. Already fluent in Slovakian, German and English she is grateful for the mental occupation. She could also accompany Cliff Richard on the piano if he were moved again to provide musical distraction during rain delays at Wimbledon, as he has in the past. She spent eight years studying piano, culminating with a concert performance of Rachmaninov. To a few of her rival tennis players, she must be frighteningly multi-dimensional and accomplished. To be the proud bearer of 110 centimetre long legs as well (and the concomitant wardrobe of very short skirts) represents a super-abundance of virtues. But no one has it all. Serena Williams, she agrees, possesses the most obvious hallmarks of a Wimbledon champion. "Well, it’s very difficult to play both Williams sisters on grass because they are so powerful. In any other place I think it is possible to beat them, as Justine Henin-Hardenne proved in Paris when she beat Serena in the semi-finals, but at Wimbledon they are very tough. Venus, I would say, is a little bit mentally weaker at the moment but they are still both great players. "I know I have never really played my best against them. I am working as hard as I can to get mentally and physically stronger but, of the two, the mental approach is the most important. "As I have said many times, the head is the most important thing on the court. The Williams sisters can intimidate people a lot. But it is up to us to think, to believe, that we can beat them. There are all sorts of things a powerful head can do that a powerful arm cannot. I try to prove that all the time on the court. To show people that thinking is very important. It is what my grandmother taught me. To think. "Actually I wouldn’t say I was intimidated by Venus and Serena. What I would say is that it is a matter of experience. All the girls in the top 10 have been around for much longer than me and played many more matches. It is just a matter of experience. That is very motivating for me, in fact. Even though I am in the top 10, I still have so many things to learn." Slovakian history is not one of them. She remembers the separation between the Czech Republic and Slovakia quite clearly (she was aged 10 at the time). "I was very happy. Before that, in my grandmother’s time, it was impossible for athletes to travel. I expect she remembered the time when the Russian tanks rolled into the old Czechoslovakia, but she never wanted me to know too much about that. It was not a very nice part of history: she was a schoolteacher but she thought it was better not to talk about that to the kids. "Now Slovakia is very strong in sports and very proud. We are prepared to work very hard because we are such a small nation. We are proving we are a talented, intelligent people and we want to show this to the world. "My grandmother is still alive. She is 76 and now retired as a schoolteacher but she is still playing tennis, still skiing. She hasn’t travelled to see me play out of Slovakia yet, but I hope that she will see me at Wimbledon one day. She would definitely love to go." Maybe next year.

paycheck
Jun 30th, 2003, 05:38 PM
Thanks for posting that article Graham. It was a very infomative article for those who think Daniela is only a pair of long legs. :rolleyes: :smash:

I'm extremely happy to see that Daniela is still optimistic about the future, just as optimistic as us fans are. Goooo Daniela! :bounce:

paycheck
Jun 30th, 2003, 05:47 PM
I still belive she needs to work out her mental problems though. Because whatever is bothering her right now, seems to be carrying itself onto the tennis court. Maybe Graham is right, she just needs someone who is willing to listen to her.

mousee
Jun 30th, 2003, 05:55 PM
I still belive she needs to work out her mental problems though. Because whatever is bothering her right now, seems to be carrying itself onto the tennis court. Maybe Graham is right, she just needs someone who is willing to listen to her.

heeeeeeeeeey IM RIGHT HERE Dani! :) You are looking for me!!! :)
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