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Hagar
Jun 20th, 2003, 09:45 AM
We have the possibility to give a donation in order to keep this board alive. If the posters are asked to make a donation, we should also be given information about how this board works.
Griffin told me that this is Poe's board. I thought this board was a collective thing. Does this also mean that the donations go to Poe?
Personally, I don't like to donate if I don't get a say in return.
I am very bothered by the fact that WTAWORLD disappeared without any explanation and now that I see that donations are asked, I can't help but thinking that this might have been done on purpose. Panic was created and people are more likely to give if they are emotional...
Just my 2 cents...

Glenn
Jun 20th, 2003, 09:57 AM
Yea, if I was to donate cash, I want to know what it will be spent on too.

Rtael
Jun 20th, 2003, 10:04 AM
I can only agree with Hagar's Post...

Iagoti
Jun 20th, 2003, 10:17 AM
As i understand it, posters are not asked to make a donation, they are merely given the opportunity, because many people apparently mailed Poe about that?

I just get the feeling this shut-down was far more an emotional decision, and one I completely understand. Wouldn't like to be in Poe's shoes...

Miranda
Jun 20th, 2003, 10:22 AM
agreed with Iagoti :) and personally i think its fair for me to denote given they really spent many hours and money to keep this board alive and giving us so many funs and happiness :)

Hagar
Jun 20th, 2003, 10:30 AM
As i understand it, posters are not asked to make a donation, they are merely given the opportunity, because many people apparently mailed Poe about that?

I just get the feeling this shut-down was far more an emotional decision, and one I completely understand. Wouldn't like to be in Poe's shoes...

I agree with you that we are not obliged to make a donation and just have the opportunity.
Still, wanting to know what is done with the money is completely justified. And wanting to know what these hours and hours of work exactly consist of is also justified.
I don't get it. These people volunteer to do this work, noone forces them, so what are they complaining about. If I choose to do something, I enjoy it and though it's nice to get some appreciation, I don't expect anyone to be grateful.

Hagar
Jun 20th, 2003, 10:34 AM
I would not mind having to pay 1 dollar per month or so to be able to post on this board, but in that case I really would like to know what the money is spent on and have the details.

gentenaire
Jun 20th, 2003, 10:47 AM
Hagar, you may choose to start a board, you may not choose how big the board becomes.

I can easily imagine that the running of the board might become too much for a person. I believe Poe when he says that it's posters who asked for a donation button. No one likes to ask for money, sometimes you don't have much of a choice.

I do understand that you want to know what's happening with the money, but I think it's a bit unfair to say that Poe closed the board on purpose to get more money.

Rtael
Jun 20th, 2003, 10:56 AM
Well if it's not true, let him come in here and tell us exactly why.....I realize this is his baord and he has a right to quit whenever he wants, but he closed the board, wihtout giving us any kind of explanation then re-opens it a couple days later and asks for money....I don't really believed he did it to get money, but it does look suspicious....

And I realize that this is his baord and he can do with it what he wants but alot of people love this board and I think he owes everyone who comes here more then to just randomly shut the board down wihtout notice or anything....if he really doesn't wanna run it anymore, let someone else, who does want to, take it over....

Josh
Jun 20th, 2003, 11:30 AM
Just for the record : we are NOT asking for donations, we're just giving the opportunity to do so if you want to. No obligations.

While it's true that we volunteer to keep this site going, this doesn't mean that we're some kind of charity. The thing is, keeping this site operational costs money. There's the yearly fee for the domain name and the costs to maintain the servers and update the software. The possibility to give a donation was suggested by some members to help us cut the costs.

To suggest that the board was shut down because we wanted money is rather low. It was an emotional decision given in by the fact that the joy of running this site was gone, mainly due to endless complaints and fights. We soon realised though that many people were affected by this and so we decided to re-open it for everyone who enjoys this site.

Once again, we certainly don't force you to give a donation. Just like many volunteers all over the world receive donations from people who appreciate their work and want to help them in doing what they are doing. :)

i-girl
Jun 20th, 2003, 11:52 AM
but can you give more info Josh? Hagar is right when she says we need an idea of where the money will go. not all of us understand how these sites work. here are a few things I would like to understand: does Poe own the site? who exactly is operating it (is it Amanda?)? is it that person's Job or is it a hobby (was Poe covering all the costs by himself up to now? does he get money back from advarts and such? he must spend many hours on this site- is this his day job or just a hobby?). I don't suspect Poe of trying to take our money, nothing could be further from my mind, I want to be clear on that, I'm just trying to understand what's involved in running this place.

Miranda
Jun 20th, 2003, 12:37 PM
i-girl, josh has already explained that the money is for maintaining website and server etc, i think he is very clear :) thanks josh :worship:

JonBcn
Jun 20th, 2003, 01:01 PM
Why do you need more info? I dont care if Poe goes out and buys a mini-skirt with the money that I send, as I'm sending it because I am truly grateful for the time and effort they put into maintaining this site, when all the time taking shit from idiots who are here for no other reason than to try to start trouble. If you dont want to make a donation, dont do it - nobody's asking you to. If you think it might be a nice way to express your gratitude for a great site that has become an important daily stop off on the net for most of us, then thats your choice too.

Gallofa
Jun 20th, 2003, 01:27 PM
Exactly. The whole point of a donation is that it is voluntary. Nobody is asking for your money, it's a way of showing that you appreciate the work being done and that you support it. Running a website takes time AND money. Or do you think a Board this big costs no money?

Personally, I'd pay to see Poe wearing a mini-skirt, so I can't think of a better way to use my money ;). And speaking of money, for some reason I can't get it to work? it keeps telling me I am creating the wrong password? anyone had problems too?

Josh
Jun 20th, 2003, 02:29 PM
I can announce it publicly now : everyone who makes a donation will get a free picture of Poe wearing a mini-skirt in return. That's the least we can do seeing that's what most people wanna see.

;)

Hulet
Jun 20th, 2003, 02:34 PM
The thing is, keeping this site operational costs money. There's the yearly fee for the domain name and the costs to maintain the servers and update the software.

I agree about the domain name and the costs of maintaining the hardware. Those things cost a bundle. So, it's understandable if they are requesting some donation to service those things. But, I thought most of the software this site runs on was free, so am confused about the cost of maintaining it? :confused:

<edit: please don't post that here>

wtn_amanda
Jun 20th, 2003, 02:48 PM
Okay let's straighten this out. The server software is all essentially open source and distributed freely. We have a systems engineer who takes care of our servers and he's paid hourly... fixes problems when things go wrong. The message board software isn't free either.

But this isn't a debating or discussion point. We're not here to provide you with a rundown of all our operating costs. If you wish to donate to the site, it's very much welcomed and appreciated. If you don't feel it's worth your while, or simply cannot afford to do so, or whatever your reasons, there's no obligation and no need to feel bad about it. :p

Just try and enjoy the site. :bounce:

*JR*
Jun 20th, 2003, 02:54 PM
Noga, luy ya :) but I agree with Josh and donated yesterday. BTW, Josh, plz make sure that "idle Paypal balances" that anyone (as I did) had sent to (whoever, in my case webmaster) @wtaworld.com get collected as I didn't know the other address. However, Noga and others indirectly bring up a somewhat related point. (IMO), there'd be less fighting if: while we don't "run" the board (even if we pay a little), shouldn't we get the chance to have constructive dialogue with Admins like Poe, Amanda, Carot, Lily, yourself, etc. re. suggestions we believe in? Not make the decisions, but just get to have a little input? (Perhaps by PM; posting stuff here is more of a "Q&A" than a true thoughtful discussion).

Kart
Jun 20th, 2003, 03:06 PM
We have the possibility to give a donation in order to keep this board alive. If the posters are asked to make a donation, we should also be given information about how this board works.
Griffin told me that this is Poe's board. I thought this board was a collective thing. Does this also mean that the donations go to Poe?
Personally, I don't like to donate if I don't get a say in return.
I am very bothered by the fact that WTAWORLD disappeared without any explanation and now that I see that donations are asked, I can't help but thinking that this might have been done on purpose. Panic was created and people are more likely to give if they are emotional...
Just my 2 cents...

This thread is quite sad really - after this board has been set up and we have all used it free of charge for so long and are still being offered the opportunity to do so, some people are still moaning because they have been given a non-obligatory chance to contribute to it's upkeep.

That's gratitude for you :rolleyes:.

None of us have paid for this site so why should we get upset when it's taken off the web out of nowhere?

This is a privately run board - they're not even asking for a donation, just offering the chance. It amazes me that people won't even let them do this without scrutiny. After all what have you ever done for them to make them even owe any explanation ?

That said, when I donate my $15 I'd be interested to see that mini-skirt picture as I've always wondered what our webmaster looks like.

Hagar
Jun 20th, 2003, 03:14 PM
HU HUH HU HELLO, some people invest money and time on the website, so basically when you make a donation you're giving money to those people, who cares with what they do with the money.

It's like asking a 14 years old girl to babysit your baby and then worrying of what she will do with your money you will give her. :rolleyes:

The difference is that the babysitter does a job and gets a salary. When my boss pays me my salary every month, what I do with it is my business.
When I donate a little extra to the volunteer who is keeping open the clubhouse of my tennis club, I donate this for the good working of the tennis club, and NOT for his personal account. If I decide with some members of the tennis club that we want to pay the guy who keeps the clubhouse open a salary, then he does with it what he wants.
The difference is:
I don't mind donating for the maintenance of this board but no way do I want to give to Poe personally.

Hagar
Jun 20th, 2003, 03:17 PM
That's gratitude for you.

Gratitude is not due when someone is doing something that I haven't asked for. I was active on the previous board, before Poe had even appeared. I don't owe the people who keep this board anything. I reckon they do this because they enjoy it.

Kart
Jun 20th, 2003, 03:20 PM
You don't owe them anything that's right - so why do they owe you an explanation for why the board went down out of nowhere ? You don't owe them anything, yet they still run a board that you use and enjoy. Is that not something to be grateful for ?

Josh
Jun 20th, 2003, 03:27 PM
When I donate a little extra to the volunteer who is keeping open the clubhouse of my tennis club, I donate this for the good working of the tennis club, and NOT for his personal account.

So do you ask him/her a full detailed report on what he/she does with the money as well?
And what exactly do you mean when you say you want the money to be spend on the good working on the club? What does he/she do with the money you donate?

JollyRoger, sure you can always let one of the admins know some of your suggestions through pm.

jaws811
Jun 20th, 2003, 03:29 PM
Can we ride in the new Porsche?

Kuilli
Jun 20th, 2003, 03:37 PM
This thread is quite sad really - after this board has been set up and we have all used it free of charge for so long and are still being offered the opportunity to do so, some people are still moaning because they have been given a non-obligatory chance to contribute to it's upkeep.

That's gratitude for you :rolleyes:.

None of us have paid for this site so why should we get upset when it's taken off the web out of nowhere?

This is a privately run board - they're not even asking for a donation, just offering the chance. It amazes me that people won't even let them do this without scrutiny. After all what have you ever done for them to make them even owe any explanation ?
Well said, Kart! :D

Car Key Boi
Jun 20th, 2003, 05:39 PM
We have the possibility to give a donation in order to keep this board alive. If the posters are asked to make a donation, we should also be given information about how this board works.
Griffin told me that this is Poe's board. I thought this board was a collective thing. Does this also mean that the donations go to Poe?
Personally, I don't like to donate if I don't get a say in return.
I am very bothered by the fact that WTAWORLD disappeared without any explanation and now that I see that donations are asked, I can't help but thinking that this might have been done on purpose. Panic was created and people are more likely to give if they are emotional...
Just my 2 cents...


lemme get this straight, in return for donating yuor loose change, not only do yuo want a cashflow statement from the CEO and CFO of Wtaworld, but yuo also want some kind of shareholders' rights or corporate governance??

yuo're a commie, right?

i'm with JonBcn. Poe and whoever are fully entiltled to screw as many bucks as possible from this board, and if he/they are raking it in, the Car Key Boi salutes them :wavey:

and just for the record, i don't believe for a second that Poe & Company had any intention to make bucks from this site, nor do i believe that they intend to make money now. BUT if they do, good for them, they deserve it for all cash that was burnt in the past and for also for having to put up with the countless FUCKTARDS who like nothing better than to piss & moan at the admin at every given opportunity

- Car Key Boi

maccardel
Jun 20th, 2003, 06:04 PM
lemme get this straight, in return for donating yuor loose change, not only do yuo want a cashflow statement from the CEO and CFO of Wtaworld, but yuo also want some kind of shareholders' rights or corporate governance??

yuo're a commie, right?

i'm with JonBcn. Poe and whoever are fully entiltled to screw as many bucks as possible from this board, and if he/they are raking it in, the Car Key Boi salutes them :wavey:

and just for the record, i don't believe for a second that Poe & Company had any intention to make bucks from this site, nor do i believe that they intend to make money now. BUT if they do, good for them, they deserve it for all cash that was burnt in the past and for also for having to put up with the countless FUCKTARDS who like nothing better than to piss & moan at the admin at every given opportunity

- Car Key Boi


I agree with you completely.
:worship:

Poe
Jun 20th, 2003, 06:16 PM
Still, wanting to know what is done with the money is completely justified. And wanting to know what these hours and hours of work exactly consist of is also justified.

Would you like fries with that?

The Crow
Jun 20th, 2003, 09:07 PM
Poe in a mini-skirt AND fries? I must be dreaming :drool:

gentenaire
Jun 20th, 2003, 10:19 PM
Poe in a mini-skirt AND fries? I must be dreaming :drool:

I want mayonaise with that!

Rocketta
Jun 21st, 2003, 12:32 AM
Yeah, what Josh, JonBcn, Gallofa, CookieBox, Kart, & CKB said!

Hey I donated, when do I get my pic? :cool:

King Aaron
Jun 22nd, 2003, 04:47 PM
Yeah, what Josh, JonBcn, Gallofa, CookieBox, Kart, & CKB said!

Hey I donated, when do I get my pic? :cool:
When Poe get's THAT perfect mini-skirt. ;)

*JR*
Jun 22nd, 2003, 04:52 PM
Boi, maybe Hagar is "a student, right"? Wait, I forgot, to yuo that's as bad as being a commie NEway! :p (And yuo forgot to conclude the post with "That is All"). :D BTW, I did contribute and understand that its Poe's board. Meaning, of course: WTA World=Owned! :devil: