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tyk101
Jun 15th, 2003, 07:58 PM
I've been following monica since 99... but has monica ever been at her physical peak since her comeback onto the tour in 1995/96??

She's had a few good runs and some good wins.. but she doesn't seem to perform at the grandslams as well as I would expect her to...

lets hope she gets well... and makes a comeback in the summer hardcourt season!

Kart
Jun 15th, 2003, 08:06 PM
Physical peak as in as fit as she was before 1993 ?

No but shock, horror - people put on weight as they get older.

Fit as in to compete ?

Yes.

cooolconchita
Jun 15th, 2003, 08:08 PM
I don't think so, although she was looking really good at the French Open 1998, her dad had just died and she was working hard with Gavin Hopper I think.

tyk101
Jun 15th, 2003, 08:13 PM
of course people gain weight when they get older..
i seriously could do with some weight myself..!
i mean fit as in just healthy and compete at the top level..

faboozadoo15
Jun 15th, 2003, 08:18 PM
i thought she looked awesome for most of 96.... OOO!!! and summer of 2001 she looked awesome. those (sad but true) are the only times that come to mind when i think "top physical form." she has only been bad physically at one point, and i cant really nail it down. it's the era of that picture where shes in a white dress arguing a call and she looks to be in miserable physical shape.

irma
Jun 15th, 2003, 08:19 PM
Physical peak as in as fit as she was before 1993 ?

No but shock, horror - people put on weight as they get older.

Fit as in to compete ?

Yes.

:sad:
don't say such depressing things :mad: ;)

irma
Jun 15th, 2003, 08:20 PM
the "worst" monica looked was in spring 98 when her father was dying. I remember a paper making fun of it. a shame :mad:

hingis-seles
Jun 15th, 2003, 10:24 PM
IMO, Monica was worst in 1997 Wimbledon.

Monica's best shape was in the summer hardcourt season of 2001.

selesfan1
Jun 16th, 2003, 02:11 AM
She was the best in Summer Harcourt season of 2001, Roland Garros 1998, and Australian Open 2002.

Rollo
Jun 16th, 2003, 07:23 AM
No.

She was getting there in 2001, but for whatever reason she's not had the drive to get in shape after her comeback. If she had regained her fitness Monica would have added a lot more slams to her resume IMO.

faboozadoo15
Jun 16th, 2003, 07:30 AM
im the only one who thought she looked good early 96?? check the aussie pictures that numerous sites have. r & j's... seles's

seldom83
Jun 16th, 2003, 07:33 AM
yeh monica has always been a little chubby, especially after the stabbing.. i like and admire this girl so much, with all her courage, and i wished she would've won the french final in 1998...or at least win another one now....

Scorch
Jun 16th, 2003, 08:20 AM
Monica was not ever 'chubby' before the stabbing. Her peak was at the Oz open in '93.

She was not in brilliant shape in '96.

I agree her worst time was in '97 but this was understandable - she never even practised whilst her father was deteriorating. Very sad, especially since, as some people have said, the press made fun of her for it.

One thing worth remembering though is that aside from her weight (although the two are linked obviously) there has also been lots of longer term different injuries that have afflicted Monica. Off the top of my head:

shoulder injury, twisted ankle, chronic foot problems (the most serious imo), etc.

The weight issues have most likely attributed to some of the injuries but the fact that some issues have prevented her from training fully will affect the weight - chicken and egg scenario.

wongqks
Jun 16th, 2003, 08:53 AM
summer hard court 2001, but too abd that she play too much and end up running out of gas

Rollo
Jun 16th, 2003, 09:22 AM
Smack on the mark Scorch. She's had a run of bad luck too with injuries and her father.

The mystery to me is why she's so against surgery of any kind. At least twice she's refused to have it when it seemed a good option, and she more or less indicted that if it takes a long time to recover this time she's calling it quits.

irma
Jun 16th, 2003, 09:30 AM
injuries are no reason to get unfit weightwise. the opposite imho :o

but then monica said herself that she was overeating to deal with her problems so it's obvious she has/had a problem with food!

Scorch
Jun 16th, 2003, 11:51 AM
Monica has not had a full season of competition since '92 (can't even be sure that was complete).

When Monica came back in '95 her priorities had changed. It was no longer 'tennis is my life and comes above all else.' She was not in peak physical fitness but felt that she had to get back into playing since she had been away from the game for so long. She played Canadian open then US open then the ankle (?) injury, then went to Oz then shoulder injury. Pretty much from then on there were things going on that were detrimental to her tennis.

Monica knew when she returned what it takes to be at the top and she also knew from bitter experience how it feels to commit to something totally and then have it taken away. It is my belief that Monica made a pact to herself that she would do what she loved to do (play tennis) but that as a security mechanism she would never again commit to it 100% and risk being devastated by having it taken away from her. Hence the refusal to have surgery, take on a long-term tactical coach etc. Pop psychology at its best (or worst) but it is my opinion.

As much as I would have loved a return to the success of Monica's first tennis career I admire that courage she had in coming back - and by doing it in her own terms despite the criticism that has been heaped on her over the years. She came back, she played great and still worked very, very hard, but she also cultivated the new life perspective she started to experience when she was forced from the game. :)

Errinella
Jun 16th, 2003, 12:53 PM
I think her general fitness level has been better since summer '01. She also lost a lot of weight in late Spring '98.

She certainly wasn't fit in '96; anyone who saw her puffing her way through the second round match with Studenikova at Wimbledon, or the way she ran out of gas against Novotna in the Olympics Quarter final and again versus Graf in the US final could attest to that...

'97 and early '98 was understandable with everything going on off court, but it was really only during 2001 that she really committed to a training programme that paid real dividends on court; those summer hardcourt tournaments and the wins over Capriati, Hingis and Serena Williams gave a glimpse of what Monica could have achieved if she'd truly raised the bar on her fitness. She turned back the clock with her game and her stamina and energy level was terrific... Sadly as the loss to Hingis at the Aus Open semi '02 attested, she wasn't able to keep at it...

I doubt that she'll have the foot surgery, because coming back from nine months out all over again is one thing in your early twenties, but as you reach your thirties it's much much harder... Plus your priorites in life change...

Volcana
Jun 16th, 2003, 01:47 PM
Physical peak as in as fit as she was before 1993 ?

No but shock, horror - people put on weight as they get older.



Yeah, just look at Agassi and Navratilova. Both of them really put on the pounds as they aged.

Julian
Jun 16th, 2003, 02:09 PM
I agree Monica didn't look too good during early 98 but it amazed me how much she had trained FOR Roland Garros that year! It was like she was a different person! I just watched the final again just recently and it amazed me how much she kept up with Arantxa and there were definitely shots even I didn't think she get to..of course Arantxa played one of her best matches that day and there was nothing Monica could have done about it..that 2nd set was just AMAZING though..

Wimby 98 she looked more fit and she wore a tight fitting dress to prove it. :)

DA FOREHAND
Jun 16th, 2003, 02:33 PM
Short Answer NO!

Long asnwer is she was never one for doing more physical training outside the tennis court.

Martina N. said something to the effect that, "Maybe she's afraid to get fully fit, because if she does and still doesn't win , she'd have no excuses left". I think that comment might have some truth to it. It's almost as if Monica is afraid to get back to the top, but obviosly still loves the game. I don't ever recall her saying she'd like to get back to number one.

hingis-seles
Jun 16th, 2003, 05:03 PM
Martina N said that in reference to Jim Courier.She said she admired him because he worked so hard and got into such great shape, you put yourself on the line because when you do that and still don't win, you have no excuses left. It was in the October 2000 issue of Tennis Magazine.

DA FOREHAND
Jun 16th, 2003, 05:09 PM
She also said that in reference to Monica Seles.

Kart
Jun 16th, 2003, 05:38 PM
Yeah, just look at Agassi and Navratilova. Both of them really put on the pounds as they aged.

Because they are just so indicative of the general population aren't they ?

Kart
Jun 16th, 2003, 05:40 PM
:sad:
don't say such depressing things :mad: ;)

There is nothing bad about putting on a bit weight (within reason obviously ;)).

Rollo
Jun 16th, 2003, 05:43 PM
Scorch-Very perceptive post about Monica's [possible] motivations for not putting it all out there on the line.

I would add that she could also hate the idea of any type of surgery given her past history and her dad's.

When she does retire I hope she finds happiness and becomes mom. Something tells me Monica would be a great mother :cool:

faboozadoo15
Jun 16th, 2003, 05:53 PM
geez, you guys. comparing monica to navratilova and agassi is a little unfair-- genetics play an important role too. i don't think agassi is by any means thin... i actually think he looks kinda funny and sticky when he plays. and what the hell is up with the baggy shirt and short shorts??? that doesnt help him.

Gandalf
Jun 16th, 2003, 05:58 PM
If she had stayed with Gavin Hopper in '98 maybe she would have stayed fit, but by the time of the US'Open she had already put a few kilos back.

She was also pretty fit at RG'00.

irma
Jun 16th, 2003, 05:59 PM
nav had severe weight problems in her tough days till she realized she was ruining her career and started to work her ass off and became probably the best player ever. you can only have respect for that :worship:

Kart
Jun 16th, 2003, 06:28 PM
She ditched Hopper because he wouldn't commit to her solely and was apparently more interested in coaching Phillipousis.

Volcana
Jun 16th, 2003, 06:30 PM
Because they are just so indicative of the general population aren't they ?

Weight gain is NOT part of the aging process. Our metabolisms slow as we age. So if we eat like we did when we were teenagers, we gain weight. But that's just habituation, not a biological drive. The human body doesn't demand the same caloric intake at 30 that it did at 15. If you keep eating like a kid as you age, you get fat. If you moderate your eating as your metabolism slows, you don't.

You don't gain weight because you're older. You gain weight because you eat more calories than you burn. If you don't believe me, ask your doctor.

faboozadoo15
Jun 16th, 2003, 06:38 PM
funny- martina refers to her weight problems as when she moved to the united states, everything was in excess and she loved food too much...

irma
Jun 16th, 2003, 06:40 PM
yeah but she got a spy behind and I don't know what more so it were still her tough days;)

faboozadoo15
Jun 16th, 2003, 06:41 PM
she made a funny comment about american sandwiches in her sports century episode... i don't really want to dig it up, but i think it will be on b4 wimbledon.

irma
Jun 16th, 2003, 06:43 PM
she said she gained 20 pounds in two weeks when she went to the usa because she was not used to so much food

but well my point was. she decided to do something about it at a certain point and became the fittest of them all. I admire that.

faboozadoo15
Jun 16th, 2003, 06:50 PM
that's true... but its easier to take weight off that you just put on and are very young than it is to lose weight when you have already achieved so much, have personal problems, and keep getting injured.

Kart
Jun 16th, 2003, 07:04 PM
Weight gain is NOT part of the aging process. Our metabolisms slow as we age. So if we eat like we did when we were teenagers, we gain weight. But that's just habituation, not a biological drive. The human body doesn't demand the same caloric intake at 30 that it did at 15. If you keep eating like a kid as you age, you get fat. If you moderate your eating as your metabolism slows, you don't.

You don't gain weight because you're older. You gain weight because you eat more calories than you burn. If you don't believe me, ask your doctor.

Weight gain is a multifactorial condition - it's dependent on genetics and hormones as well as intake and exercise. Different hormones control your metabolism at different stages of your growth cycle. To imply weight gain is just related to matching your metabolism is not giving the whole picture.

Ask your doctor and that's what he/she'll tell you.

Volcana
Jun 16th, 2003, 07:13 PM
geez, you guys. comparing monica to navratilova and agassi is a little unfair-- genetics play an important role too. i don't think agassi is by any means thin...

Neither Navratilova nor Agassi is what I'd call 'thin'. Agassi, in fact, is by no means thin. He's a very solidly built guy. But in 1997 and 1998, he'd gained a LOT of wieght, was barely training, and his ranking plunged out of the top hundred. The boy was FAT, pure and simple. Then he started training more and eating less. Five GS titles later .....

Genetics plays an important role, but it doesn't trump caloric intake or exercise. If a person burns 4000 calories a day, and eats 3000, they'll lose weight no matter what their genetics.

But why is aging even an issue here?

Monica's YOUNG. She's not even thirty. One wouldn't expect ANY age-related gain in percentage body fat at that age. To choose the flashpoint example, Steffi on retirement looked the same (from the neck down) as she had for the previous eight years or so. (They just moved the bandages from place to place so we can tell what's injured.:))

Personally, I don't think genetics figures much in Monica's case. Somebody tried to kill her in broad daylight in front of a couple thousand witnesses. That'll change your world, much less your eating habits. I mean, how can she even wait in line at the grocery store? Some corner of her mind HAS to waiting for the person behind her in line to attack.

Volcana
Jun 16th, 2003, 07:19 PM
Weight gain is a multifactorial condition - it's dependent on genetics and hormones as well as intake and exercise. Different hormones control your metabolism at different stages of your growth cycle. To imply weight gain is just related to matching your metabolism is not giving the whole picture.

Ask your doctor and that's what he/she'll tell you.

I asked my doctor before I posted. She insists that it's virtually impossible to gain weight if you burn more calories than you take in, regardless of other factors. She also says that 90% of the people who say their overweight is is the result of glandular or hormonal conditions are fooling themselves. While she DID mention hormones specifically, she didn't mention that 'Different hormones control your metabolism at different stages of your growth cycle.' I'll bring that up, and post if I hear anyting new from her. I'm due in there again on Thursday.

Volcana
Jun 16th, 2003, 07:20 PM
that's true... but its easier to take weight off that you just put on and are very young than it is to lose weight when you have already achieved so much, have personal problems, and keep getting injured.

Well said

DA FOREHAND
Jun 16th, 2003, 07:21 PM
"Personally, I don't think genetics figures much in Monica's case. Somebody tried to kill her in broad daylight in front of a couple thousand witnesses. That'll change your world, much less your eating habits. I mean, how can she even wait in line at the grocery store? Some corner of her mind HAS to waiting for the person behind her in line to attack."

Only if she's allowed one madman in her head. I'd like to think she's way past that now.

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Volcana
Jun 16th, 2003, 07:21 PM
On a completely different (not) note, I'm about to try Atkins. Anyone around here try it, and how did it work for you?

Helen Lawson
Jun 16th, 2003, 07:25 PM
Monica is way fitter than Neely. Neely has endured drastic weight fluctuations. The red ones kill her appetite, but they pep her up so much, she cannot sleep. So she drinks herself into oblivion every night because she has to get up at 5 o'clock in the morning "and sparkle, Neely, sparkle." Then when Lyon dries her out, she goes on wild eating binges. The woman is a mess and completely out of shape. Monica is Jackie Joyner-Kersie next to Neely.

Leave Monica alone! Would you rather have her a little out of shape, or some doll fiend like Neely?

irma
Jun 16th, 2003, 07:25 PM
I don't believe in taking stuf for diet or special diets, when you want to lose weight, you have to change your eating habits for good. I know it's hard but it's the only way it will work for good.

Kart
Jun 16th, 2003, 07:29 PM
I asked my doctor before I posted. She insists that it's virtually impossible to gain weight if you burn more calories than you take in, regardless of other factors. She also says that 90% of the people who say their overweight is is the result of glandular or hormonal conditions are fooling themselves. While she DID mention hormones specifically, she didn't mention that 'Different hormones control your metabolism at different stages of your growth cycle.' I'll bring that up, and post if I hear anyting new from her. I'm due in there again on Thursday.

Well she would say that because if you don't believe that there is something you can do then why try ?

We'll see what she says later on this week but if she doesn't get my point then on Friday I'm going to force my Texan elective medical student look it up and present to me next week.

So really, whether my student spends her weekend in the library preparing or out on the town depends on your doctor.

Helen Lawson
Jun 16th, 2003, 07:30 PM
On a completely different (not) note, I'm about to try Atkins. Anyone around here try it, and how did it work for you?

The red ones take weight off the fastest. They kill your appetite.

irma
Jun 16th, 2003, 07:31 PM
"So really, whether my student spends her weekend in the library preparing or out on the town depends on your doctor."

lol;)

Kart
Jun 16th, 2003, 07:31 PM
The red ones take weight off the fastest. They kill your appetite.

Glad to see you cut that Karen story.

Kart
Jun 16th, 2003, 07:33 PM
Actually I should correct my previous post - I'll try to force my elective medical student to look it up if she actually bothers to turn up.

irma
Jun 16th, 2003, 07:34 PM
I am still on a diet too and I am so hungry. I need fat. fat food

crisps, cheescookies, hamburgers, fries :lick:

but I will be tough:)