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rhz
Jun 15th, 2003, 12:10 AM
I was expecting a lot from Angie Widjaja, and she did won 2 tournaments. but in 2003, she hasn't played really well at all, she's been losing most of her tournaments in the 2nd round, and most of her matches she played were all 3 setters. I still believe in Angie, and i hope she will enter the top 50 very soon

spokenword73
Jun 15th, 2003, 12:11 AM
Still waiting for Alex S's breakthrough :wavey:

Dava
Jun 15th, 2003, 12:11 AM
Bovina, after her defeat of Venus, I thought it would all come together, but after a dissapointing Aus Open, it all fell apart.

Myskina, how she is in the top 10 I have no idea, shes going to be one of those players, who can beat everyone below her, and is thrashed by those above her (except Dokic).

kyk710
Jun 15th, 2003, 12:13 AM
I agree! Widjaja definitely has the game- she just hasn't had the results yet. Hopefully, though, they will come :).

rhz
Jun 15th, 2003, 12:24 AM
Angie's record this year is 8-11.

best win over Schnyder at Indian Wells 64 62

worst lost against Kirilenko in Hyderabad 75 57 36

Gowza
Jun 15th, 2003, 12:30 AM
bovina, stevenson, kournikova (to get back in the top 20 after her injuries), molik, kuznetsova, douchevina, daniilidou (to reach top 10), lucic (to get back to where she was), bradshaw (see lucic), cory ann avants, afinogenova, bastrikova, razzano, marrero, lee-waters, lina k (to get back to what she was before her injury), baltacha, bielik stosur (i was hoping she would run with her good start to the season).

of course i haven't really been waiting that long for most of these players.

Becool
Jun 15th, 2003, 12:38 AM
stevenson and tulyaganova's...

im yet to see iroda making a slam quarters or even fourth round :sad: or winning an important title :sad:

or alex doing the same or even winning a title.. after that end of 2002 season, i thought she would win something this year and etc..

i just wish them good luck :o

Gowza
Jun 15th, 2003, 12:41 AM
yes, stevenson has been very dissapointing this season considering how she was going at the end of last year.

King Lindsay
Jun 15th, 2003, 12:53 AM
yes, stevenson has been very dissapointing this season considering how she was going at the end of last year.

Surfaces, gowza.

WhatTheDeuce
Jun 15th, 2003, 12:54 AM
kournikova :sad:

Gowza
Jun 15th, 2003, 12:55 AM
yeah i know, but i would have expected her to do better in australia esepecially with that open draw after cappers went our in the first round.

King Lindsay
Jun 15th, 2003, 01:29 AM
yeah i know, but i would have expected her to do better in australia esepecially with that open draw after cappers went our in the first round.

nah... when has she had a decent slam after Wimbledon 1999?

Gowza
Jun 15th, 2003, 01:34 AM
she hasn't had another good slam result but she was starting to play better more consistently. i thought she would carrying her indoor form into the australian season and the capriati lost in the first round which opened up her section. i don't really lokk at past slam results i just base things mainly on form at the current time.

Venus Forever
Jun 15th, 2003, 01:35 AM
bovina, stevenson, kournikova (to get back in the top 20 after her injuries), molik, kuznetsova, douchevina, daniilidou (to reach top 10), lucic (to get back to where she was), bradshaw (see lucic), cory ann avants, afinogenova, bastrikova, razzano, marrero, lee-waters, lina k (to get back to what she was before her injury), baltacha, bielik stosur (i was hoping she would run with her good start to the season).

of course i haven't really been waiting that long for most of these players.

Add Marissa Irvin and Iroda Tulyaganova to that group. :sad:

*JR*
Jun 15th, 2003, 01:43 AM
While it's too early to add Safina to the list, I still flat out disagree with her early rush to the big tour (esp. as her mother, Rausa Islanova, is a real coach, not a "parent-as-coach"). If Sharky's time in the Challengers and Vera D's in the Juniors turn out to have prepared them better, Dinara will get clobbered with about 10,000 stories re. having been hyped because of who her brother is.

King Lindsay
Jun 15th, 2003, 01:52 AM
she hasn't had another good slam result but she was starting to play better more consistently. i thought she would carrying her indoor form into the australian season and the capriati lost in the first round which opened up her section. i don't really lokk at past slam results i just base things mainly on form at the current time.

She was starting to play better, but i don't see much consistency in her results.

I think you should have a look at prior slam results. when was the last time Alex made a big run in a Tier I, much less a grand Slam? Her progress has all been made in lower Tier events, which should tell you what to expect from her at majors, ie. Nothing much.

And what's the deal with saori obata beating down Stevenson at all chances? She's like dechy to Alex's shaughnessy, or Roesch to alex's dementieva.

Gowza
Jun 15th, 2003, 02:02 AM
well she was consistent during the indoor season wasn't she? i can't be bothered to look them up. i thought one of those indoor events she did well in was a tier 1 or maybe it was a tier 2 but she did get to the semis of a tier 1 or 2 this year but i haven't followed her since the oz open.

King Lindsay
Jun 15th, 2003, 02:37 AM
well she was consistent during the indoor season wasn't she? i can't be bothered to look them up. i thought one of those indoor events she did well in was a tier 1 or maybe it was a tier 2 but she did get to the semis of a tier 1 or 2 this year but i haven't followed her since the oz open.

gowza, last year she'd hit a hot streak for three or four tournaments and cool off. she did this twice, at the beginning of the year, and again at the end. What's consistent about that?

Last year she reached the final of Linz (tier II) and this year (as a very lucky loser taking Serena Williams' spot in the draw) made the SF at Tier II scottsdale.

tenn_ace
Jun 15th, 2003, 03:55 AM
bovina, stevenson, kournikova (to get back in the top 20 after her injuries), molik, kuznetsova, douchevina, daniilidou (to reach top 10), lucic (to get back to where she was), bradshaw (see lucic), cory ann avants, afinogenova, bastrikova, razzano, marrero, lee-waters, lina k (to get back to what she was before her injury), baltacha, bielik stosur (i was hoping she would run with her good start to the season).

of course i haven't really been waiting that long for most of these players.


kuznetsova, douchevina :confused: :rolleyes: are you serious?

Sveta is doing quite o'k for someone who is playing her second season on the tourr... Vera has played just one tournament... what do you want from her? She is still in juniors...

Experimentee
Jun 15th, 2003, 03:00 PM
Casanova, i thought she'd do well this year since she had great results last year, and beat her first top ten player, Justine Henin, but then shes hardly won a match this year (well partly due to drawing a top player in the first round most of her tournaments, but she still lost to non top players a few times)
Also Stevenson for the last few years, every time she shows her potential and talent she follows up with a 6 month slump :rolleyes:
Bedanova for the last few years too.

venusfan
Jun 15th, 2003, 03:38 PM
Kim Clijsters-Hewitt

Sonf@
Jun 15th, 2003, 03:45 PM
from the spanish side:

Maria Jose Martinez is the queen of the chokers. She never reached even the quarters at any challenger after her semis at Madrid. Fortunately she reached another final at Galatina. More than two years after her last quarterfinal :p

Marta Marrero was a great promise, she even predicted that she was gonna win FO two or three years after her Quarters. She did second and first round instead :p. She's gonna leave the top 100 soon, as she's injured again.

Magüi Serna also gave lots of expectatives with those great results, but she hadn't got regular results. Hopefully this seems to be changing this season.

Another player... Monique Viele:p

*JR*
Jun 15th, 2003, 03:59 PM
Casanova, i thought she'd do well this year since she had great results last year, and beat her first top ten player, Justine Henin, but then shes hardly won a match this year (well partly due to drawing a top player in the first round most of her tournaments, but she still lost to non top players a few times)
Being a stuffed calf dosen't exactly help either. Hey Myriam, Dani could use somma that food! :rolleyes:

Gonzo Hates Me!
Jun 15th, 2003, 04:07 PM
You guys really gotta be patient-- if you love someone SO much, it's like God will listen to you and they will come around. And if they don't, such is life, ya know. But ya still gotta love 'em!!!

I must say, I am not a big fan of Dokic, but expected more from her. Since '99, I was always afraid whenever she played Kim and I didn't want her to out do her, but now, I want Dokic to be more competition to everyone. And she's beautiful, hehe, she's the total package. She's great

Ambrosia
Jun 15th, 2003, 06:04 PM
Daja and Iroda are at the top of my list now. Mirjana has been there for years.

gmak
Jun 15th, 2003, 06:08 PM
daja bedanova :sad:
iroda tulyaganova :sad:

Lindsayfan
Jun 15th, 2003, 06:08 PM
schnyder..she has the talent to be a top 10 but doesnt have the mental strenght
dementieva
dokic
majoli

Gonzo Hates Me!
Jun 15th, 2003, 06:14 PM
Yeah, Iroda, :sad: and Marta :sad:

Becool
Jun 15th, 2003, 06:21 PM
Don't worry y'all! They'll have their right time to shine! :D :D :D

And for those who had before, and they're having problems now, they'll also find a way to comeback stronger, fitter and healthier!

irma
Jun 15th, 2003, 06:26 PM
Being a stuffed calf dosen't exactly help either. Hey Myriam, Dani could use somma that food! :rolleyes:

according to the blick she has problems with her Thyroid and that's why she is overweight.

Mr. Man
Jun 15th, 2003, 06:29 PM
Mine would have to be Jelena also. Then Iroda coming second. When she took a set off Serena at Miami that one year..I expected her to go farther then she has with her game.

no comment for Jelena. :sad:

Mrs. Peel
Jun 15th, 2003, 06:29 PM
Patty Schnyder...good gracious! :confused: What happened?

irma
Jun 15th, 2003, 06:30 PM
what happened to dinara safina?

SJW
Jun 15th, 2003, 06:34 PM
Serena Williams....

only one slam and 2 titles so far this year

Mr. Man
Jun 15th, 2003, 06:38 PM
Serena Williams....

only one slam and 2 titles so far this year
http://www.shad0wb0xer.com/vs2/images/smilies/rip.gif

..I know I'm so dissapointed in her. pfffttt.

carisbro
Jun 15th, 2003, 06:52 PM
anna k.... play
jelena d what happened??? expected her to win more.... :rolleyes:
iroda ....
kim win a damn slam geeeeezzzz

anton
Jun 15th, 2003, 06:59 PM
lucic :rolleyes:

Jan-Michael Gambill (GO JAN MIKE!!) :D

*JR*
Jun 15th, 2003, 07:27 PM
according to the blick she has problems with her Thyroid and that's why she is overweight.
Sorry, I didn't know that. :o

sartrista7
Jun 15th, 2003, 07:32 PM
bovina, stevenson, kournikova (to get back in the top 20 after her injuries), molik, kuznetsova, douchevina, daniilidou (to reach top 10), lucic (to get back to where she was), bradshaw (see lucic), cory ann avants, afinogenova, bastrikova, razzano, marrero, lee-waters, lina k (to get back to what she was before her injury), baltacha, bielik stosur (i was hoping she would run with her good start to the season).

Er, in what sense is Douchevina's career 'going nowhere'? Unless you're expecting complete domination of the tough European clay challengers, she's doing just fine. And you're expecting 'a lot' of Bastrikova, Lee-Waters and Baltacha? LOL.

I think a lot of you are expecting way too much of your players... like Angie, for instance. She'll be top 50 eventually, but her results this year aren't a reflection of under-performing; that's just how good she is.

Patty - yeah, we all know she's ultra-talented blah blah blah, but we also know that she is the epitome of inconsistency and insanity, and that's not going to change. She'll be a great upset artist - already is - and I wouldn't be surprised if she had a run to the top 10 again, but she's not going to stay there for any extended period of time.

Casanova and Kuznetsova aren't doing that badly... this is the first year they've played the biggest events, and they've had some tough draws. Casanova seriously needs to lose weight, though.

The ones I've been a bit disappointed by are Daja Bedanova, who's had some of the most ridiculous losses this year and can't seem to buy a win, and Dinara Safina (though, y'know... she's young, she's learning, she'll come through). I've just about given up on Lucic :rolleyes:

THE NET
Jun 15th, 2003, 08:53 PM
Anna K.= Get back to TOP 10 and win a tournament.
Mary P.= Play and get back to TOP 5.
Monica = Get well soon, show that she can beat Justine and Kim.
Martina H.= Get back to tennis and beat the Williams
Venus W.= Get back to no.1!!

SJW
Jun 15th, 2003, 08:56 PM
http://www.shad0wb0xer.com/vs2/images/smilies/rip.gif

..I know I'm so dissapointed in her. pfffttt.

i know

i swear she had more at this stage last season

oh dear lord shes going backwards

jenny161185
Jun 16th, 2003, 01:38 AM
MGMakaelian ------ ever since I saw her whip dementievas butt and then give jen a run for her money in the quaters of the swisscom challenge 2001 i really thought with a bit of practice she was top 10 material but shehas just never been as consistent and I think she could be fitter but she lost to serena 6-3 6-3 at RG which isnt bad

AnDyDog621
Jun 16th, 2003, 02:38 AM
so her career is goin down a lil...SAFINA please do well at wimbledon, i can't bear to see you below maria sharapova after you drop your 200+ pts in july, please get some pts, 2m you ain't gonna be the youngest in top 100 (i do like maria but i don't want her to do well right now when safina is doin poorly), so make it youngest in top 50 YEA!!

ksgyh
Jun 16th, 2003, 04:48 AM
I guess this all just goes to prove there is very little room at the top. As soon as someone like Dani or Vera break into the top whatever (10, or 20), it's hard to stay up there, b/c the next Dani or Vera is already working her way. Everything changes all the time, that unless you do something drastic and improve at a rate much faster than everyone else out there on tour, there is little way to survive or improve your rankings. For every player moving up, there is another being replaced and moving down. OK, that is common sense and stating the obvious, I know, but it's still true. Hence, why not all of our new promises can always do as well as we would like them to. Going nowhere is easy b/c all that means is that they are not going up faster than those around them.

I really do hope Dani can get her game back together, b/c she does have potential to break into that top 5 again. She is lucky she is not ranked lower than she is right now. That top 5 is extremely tough, especially since it seems like Serena, Kim and Justine are constantly improving their games. The chances of someone else improving their game faster, as I mentioned above, is...slim. Same goes for trying to break into the top 20 or 30 right now, in my opinion.

Dokic fans out there, I sympathize with you. But, right now, even if she also were to improve her form, I really don't know how much higher she could be ranked. Same goes for Myskina, Schnyder, and all the rest.

Greenout
Jun 16th, 2003, 05:36 AM
I agree with Sartrista- I thought Deja was going
top 16 along with Myskina? What happened?
What about Katarina Srebotnik? I thought she
was going places in 1999? It's like she
stuck in the Tier 2's.

switz
Jun 16th, 2003, 06:38 AM
Patty Schnyder...good gracious! :confused: What happened?

nothing happened, this is what patty has been like for the last 4 years. you just cannot have any expectations as a patty fan because you never know what she is going to produce.

patty has actually played well recently. she outplayed henin for a set a RG but just couldn't keep it together. i wish she played some grasscourt lead-ups because she actually can play well on it when her serve is on.

she is reportedly working with eric van harpen again, who was her coach before everything went wrong, so hopefully we will see the more consistant patty of '98 return to us. if that happens she is going to be very very dangerous because she is a better player when on now than she was back then. i have no expectations that she will though.

seldom83
Jun 16th, 2003, 06:39 AM
i think alex stevenson's career has gone nowhere since the semifinal showing in wimbledon....

bis2806
Jun 16th, 2003, 07:09 AM
what's wrong with angie man..... she's so unlucky, having to lose matches in three sets most of the time.... :sad: go angie!

rikvanlooy
Jun 16th, 2003, 10:01 AM
Els Clijsters, the younger sister of Kim Clijsters. I've always read that she has more talent than Kim, but I'm not sure.

Els has now been named the best doubles juniors player, but she hasn't had a good win in a WTA-tournament. It seems as if she doesn't have the drive of her sister Kim. It's a shame. Belgium doesn't have a lot talents, so ...

Jakeev
Jun 16th, 2003, 11:00 AM
Angie's record this year is 8-11.



worst lost against Kirilenko in Hyderabad 75 57 36

WHy is this her worst loss? Sounds like she fought hard in the match. Frankly I think her worst loss was against her countrywoman, Wynne Prakusa, in the first round qualfying in a tournament earlier this year.

I think Wynne won the match 6-3, 6-0.

Jakeev
Jun 16th, 2003, 11:02 AM
Els Clijsters, the younger sister of Kim Clijsters. I've always read that she has more talent than Kim, but I'm not sure.

Els has now been named the best doubles juniors player, but she hasn't had a good win in a WTA-tournament. It seems as if she doesn't have the drive of her sister Kim. It's a shame. Belgium doesn't have a lot talents, so ...


YOu know I would like to know where the hell you have read that? I have yet to read anywhere that Elke is considered to be more talented then bigger sis. And if she is, she sure as hell better stop losing first round matches in 10k Satellite events.

irma
Jun 16th, 2003, 11:05 AM
Els Clijsters, the younger sister of Kim Clijsters. I've always read that she has more talent than Kim, but I'm not sure.

Els has now been named the best doubles juniors player, but she hasn't had a good win in a WTA-tournament. It seems as if she doesn't have the drive of her sister Kim. It's a shame. Belgium doesn't have a lot talents, so ...

her name is elke. els is kim's mother;)
I saw her match in antwerpen on tv and she is way to erratic. she can hit some great shots and then makes tons of errors again.

irma
Jun 16th, 2003, 11:06 AM
jakeev they said that a few years ago. well ted van de meer did and can we take him serious?

Gowza
Jun 16th, 2003, 11:08 AM
i've never heard anyone say that she has more talent than kim. in fact i always here quite the opposite. everyone says she's good but not that good and then go onto say she has a shot at the top 100 but no high than that. at the moment i have to agree with that because she isn't rising up the ranks.

*JR*
Jun 16th, 2003, 11:12 AM
she is reportedly working with eric van harpen again, who was her coach before everything went wrong, so hopefully we will see the more consistant patty of '98 return to us. WAS. And only because he's Manu's coach. (Just like she was only working with Ranzinger because he was Babsi's coach when they were still together). (Of course that's the kind of "cold hard truth" that those 2 ass-kissers K and Fingon have to censor from the supposedly independent patty-schnyder.com site). :rolleyes:

Natarajasana
Jun 16th, 2003, 03:52 PM
First and foremost I would have to agree that Bedanova's performance has been the most aggrevating. I can only imagine how she feels.
Second I would say Tulyaganova (she has so much potential).
Another player who I've almost given up hope for is Lucic. I've never liked Dokic so I don't care if she ever recovers. I'm very much a fan of both Bovina and Dementieva (but have not been impressed with their results this past year). Finally, I would have expected more from Barbara Schwartz since making it to the quarterfinals of Roland Garros (but I'm assuming that she's always injured).
Okay...one more thing: it would be great to see some British players move up in the rankings (or, at least, make it into the Top 100).