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AntennA
Jun 14th, 2003, 02:58 PM
If Kim wins the tournament or if Serena loses before the quarter finals, she will earn the number one spot.

What do you think? Is she capable of succeeding?

I think she can reach far, but I'm afraid she won't win Wimbledon. And I certainly don't see Serena chocking very soon.
Maybe later ;)

lizchris
Jun 14th, 2003, 03:24 PM
It could happen, but I don't see Serena losing before the quarterfinals, but it is possible Kim can because she isn't a good grasscourt player.

CanadianBoy21
Jun 14th, 2003, 03:50 PM
both will get to at least the Querters, but depending on the draw. I believe that if Kim plays Amelie or Jennifer or Lindsay(if she plays) and especially Venus in the semis, she will lose. Serena on the other hand has to worry about Jen, Venus and Justine.
Of course an upset by any other player can occur, but it is unlikely.
Kim definitely will be #1 at Us Open or after, since she plays a lot and is consistent.
Kim Clijsters + being consistent + playing lots - not winning majors + being number#1 possibly= Martina Hingis

monicain
Jun 14th, 2003, 06:17 PM
And too rude to Martina. :fiery: People keep emphasizing she played a lot and not winning a GS. They do, indeed, forget she still won numerous tier I titles consistently.

venusfan
Jun 14th, 2003, 08:04 PM
Kim wont win Wimbledon.. she has the Tier I's to win so it's all cool.

treufreund
Jun 14th, 2003, 08:14 PM
KIM could be #1 without having won any major ever. That does not equal MARTINA HINGIS!! Btw, one year when Hingis was number one with no majors she had 9 tournament wins!

great smash
Jun 14th, 2003, 08:24 PM
Don't compare Martina to Kim.

However I still whoever get's to no. 1, it's deserved

hingis-seles
Jun 14th, 2003, 08:28 PM
Kim is threatening Serena for the top spot the way Graf threatened Seles for the top spot in the ealry nineties.

XMan
Jun 14th, 2003, 09:08 PM
If Kim plays keeps her level of play of the last 8 months then there is no way stopping her, she will get to the number one spot. And now that Justine won her first slam I think that Kim will be very motivated too, their careers have always been very similar. Maybe Kim wins the US-Open or even Wimbledon.

DA FOREHAND
Jun 14th, 2003, 09:11 PM
ROFLMBAO! @ Kim winning Wimbledon! LOL

CanadianBoy21
Jun 14th, 2003, 09:16 PM
I love Martina. I miss her very much.
But why not compare. Everybody complained about the system when Hingis was #1. Kim might be #1 one without having one slams. It would be even worse because she has not ever won a singles slam, while Hingis won 5 singles slams. And Kim's record against top players is not so great. She lost to Serena numerous times, and she lost to Venus one time, and to Justine couple times.
She plays a lot, and she wins a lot, but not the slams nor against the other three top players. Yes, she does compare to Martina, except Martina, as someone said, won lots of other titles. I am just stating an interesting fact, I do like Kim, and I do like Martina, so don't be pissed just because someone might have shitted in your corner and something stinks(missy said that) ;)

XMan
Jun 14th, 2003, 09:17 PM
ROFLMBAO! @ Kim winning Wimbledon! LOL

You will see ;)

DA FOREHAND
Jun 14th, 2003, 09:17 PM
O she's lost more than once to Venus.

alexusjonesfan
Jun 14th, 2003, 09:32 PM
I don't want to get embroiled in the Kim-Martina-Serena triangle that seems to have sprung up here, but it is a statistical possibility that Kim could, if not overtake, atleast close the gap with Serena after Wimbledon. Serena has way more points to defend as Kim lost in the 2nd round last year. Plus, Serena isn't playing in any grass tune-ups to get more points and she's only played 12 tournaments in the last year vs. Kim's 22 so even if Serena wins Wimbledon, she'll be mostly defending the points she already has and every round Kim wins after the 1st round should add to her points

I'm not sure if I understand the whole points system correctly yet but that's my take on the situation...

SJW
Jun 14th, 2003, 09:49 PM
LOL leave Martina alone :)

Kimmy can have the number one....i always prefered the slams anywayz

venusfan
Jun 14th, 2003, 09:51 PM
ROFLMBAO! @ Kim winning Wimbledon! LOL


I second that>>>>

jenny161185
Jun 14th, 2003, 10:10 PM
I think if Kim were to beat Venus/ Serena at wimbledon and then do the same at USO ------ I Think she can do it, then she would be the deserved number 1

Hagar
Jun 14th, 2003, 10:18 PM
More than the number 1 ranking, I want Kim to win her first Slam. It's about time.

QUEENLINDSAY
Jun 14th, 2003, 10:33 PM
Kim can only get it if she performs better than Serena at Wimby.

Kim already performs better than Serena at RG. SO WHY IN THE HELL OTHERS QUESTIONING THE LEGITIMACY OF HER NUMBER ONE RANKING???????

KIM could only get it if she outperform Serena in the last two slams and if she can do it then she deserves it. That besides winning Tier 1 tournaments as of late.

venusfan
Jun 14th, 2003, 10:53 PM
It's nice to trouce your no name opponents in the early rounds of a tournament but to get trouced in the final don't equal a great tournament.

ys
Jun 14th, 2003, 11:22 PM
To become #1 Kim has to match what Serena does at Wimbledon. Which sounds kinda unlikely. Grass is about the only surface on which Kim can't slide, and that seriously impacts her playing potential. To become #1 at Wimbledon Kim really will really need help from Serena. Which is not impossible, just improbable. On US hardcourts Kim becoming #1 is nearly inevtable. Unless she loses really at Wimbledon. Which is possible.

great smash
Jun 14th, 2003, 11:27 PM
To become #1 Kim has to match what Serena does at Wimbledon. Which sounds kinda unlikely. Grass is about the only surface on which Kim can't slide, and that seriously impacts her playing potential. To become #1 at Wimbledon Kim really will really need help from Serena. Which is not impossible, just improbable. On US hardcourts Kim becoming #1 is nearly inevtable. Unless she loses really at Wimbledon. Which is possible.

good points

tennnisfannn
Jun 15th, 2003, 01:20 AM
I still do not understand why people totally disregard Kim on grass. I have said this before, Kim is not the same player who played wimbledon last year. After the USO she totally revamped her game and we are yet to see how she can NOW play on grass. Even if Kim doesn't win a slam this year I am so sure she will end the year ranked one. Does anypne know what her 17th tourny points. Isn't she supposed to only add points after she bests her 17th tourny?

disposablehero
Jun 15th, 2003, 01:37 AM
To become #1 Kim has to match what Serena does at Wimbledon. Which sounds kinda unlikely. Grass is about the only surface on which Kim can't slide, and that seriously impacts her playing potential. To become #1 at Wimbledon Kim really will really need help from Serena. Which is not impossible, just improbable. On US hardcourts Kim becoming #1 is nearly inevtable. Unless she loses really at Wimbledon. Which is possible.

Not as though sliding is the biggest portion of Kim's game, however:

Can slide on Rebound Ace = Can slide on anything

Regardless, Kim will be #1 within the next hundred days. The precise date is not that important.

alexusjonesfan
Jun 15th, 2003, 03:00 AM
Regardless, Kim will be #1 within the next hundred days. The precise date is not that important.

I like your attitude ;)

Yukov
Jun 15th, 2003, 02:55 PM
I can't see Kim winning Wimbledon this year.... I believe Wimbledon is her weakest one out of the 4 majors.....

Still think the Williams sisters are the two biggest contenders in Wimbledon!!!

AntennA
Jun 15th, 2003, 03:22 PM
The results for Kim at Wimbledon untill now are indeed not really impressing. Her best shot was in 2001 when she reached the quarter-final. Her biggest wins are those against Tauziat, Coetzer and Shaughnessy. Owkay, she was outlasted by Graf in 1999 and by Davenport (but hey 1-6, 2-6!!!). But she may never lose from Myskina or Likhovtseva...

1999
1e Round Kruger Joannette 6-2 6-3
2e Round Cross Karen 6-2 6-0
3e Round Coetzer Amanda 6-2 6-4
4e Round Graf Steffi 2-6 2-6
2000
1e Round Tauziat Nathalie 6-3 3-6 6-2
2e Round Myskina Anastasia 4-6 2-6
2001
1e Round Casoni Giulia 6-0 6-2
2e Round Drake Maureen 6-3 6-1
3e Round Montolio Angeles 7-5 6-2
4e Round Shaughnessy Meghann 7-6 7-6
Quarterfinal Davenport Lindsay 1-6 2-6
2002
1e Round Reeves Samantha 6-2 7-6
2e Round Likhovtseva Elena 6-7 2-6

xin
Jun 16th, 2003, 02:41 AM
I think Kim will reach quarters if she has a good draw which I believe she will. But I really don't think Wim is the time for Kim to be #1 too. She can be before U.S.O

rikvanlooy
Jun 16th, 2003, 08:32 AM
The results for Kim at Wimbledon untill now are indeed not really impressing. Her best shot was in 2001 when she reached the quarter-final. Her biggest wins are those against Tauziat, Coetzer and Shaughnessy. Owkay, she was outlasted by Graf in 1999 and by Davenport (but hey 1-6, 2-6!!!). But she may never lose from Myskina or Likhovtseva...

1999
1e Round Kruger Joannette 6-2 6-3
2e Round Cross Karen 6-2 6-0
3e Round Coetzer Amanda 6-2 6-4
4e Round Graf Steffi 2-6 2-6
2000
1e Round Tauziat Nathalie 6-3 3-6 6-2
2e Round Myskina Anastasia 4-6 2-6
2001
1e Round Casoni Giulia 6-0 6-2
2e Round Drake Maureen 6-3 6-1
3e Round Montolio Angeles 7-5 6-2
4e Round Shaughnessy Meghann 7-6 7-6
Quarterfinal Davenport Lindsay 1-6 2-6
2002
1e Round Reeves Samantha 6-2 7-6
2e Round Likhovtseva Elena 6-7 2-6

1999 was her first GS (she just turned 16).

She was a real sensation, because she blew everybody off court in the early rounds (but Dokic got much more attention because of her win against Hingis). I can remember that the English commentator was very impressed with her play.

In the fourth round she had to play her big idol Graf. I watched that game and I saw a very nervous player that sprayed the balls all over the court. The game was interrupted a lot of times because of rain. Graf didn't have a lot of problems beating this rushing, nervous teenager, but it was clear that Kim had a lot of talent.

Since then Kim has improved a lot. Last year Kim lost against everybody on the tour because she had an injury. I only can say that it is dangerous to say she can't play on grass, because of her past results. She has been eliminated early by Graf, Davenport and Myskina. That's not so bad.

If you compare this with Justine at RG, it is clear that past results of young players are a dangerous indication.

In 1999 Justine played for the first time at RG. She played in the second round against Davenport (I think she was number one then, but I'm not sure). She served for the match in the third set, but choked big time. Davenport won 7-5 in the third.

In 2000 Justine was injured and didn't play at RG.

In 2001 Justine reached the semifinal but choked again. Kim played the final.

In 2002 Justine was ill when she lost in the first round (she had the best results in the clay tournaments before RG).

If you look at these results you would say she didn't stand a chance at RG this year (2rd, 1rd, not played and one semifinal).

In reality you have to look at the way they play nowadays and not at the results of 2-3 years ago.

This year Kim and Justine have had the best results, so I will be very surprised if they lose against Davenport, Capriati, Mauresmo, Rubin, ... at Wimbledon.

seldom83
Jun 16th, 2003, 08:40 AM
kim won't reach the 4th round, there is no way...

JPV
Jun 16th, 2003, 09:30 AM
To become #1 Kim has to match what Serena does at Wimbledon. not at all... depending on what Kim does at 's hertogenbosch, Serena might even need to reach the semifinals (very likely though) at Wimbledon in order to have a chance to stay nr1.

Kim starts Wimbledon with a bonus of at least 324 points on Serena. If kim performs good at hertogenbosch, she might increase that lead (max another 152 points).

So Kim has a lead of 324 up to 476 BEFORE playing one game at Wimbledon. So Serena will probably have to win her semifinals, in order to stay nr1, unless Kim plays excellent at Wimbledon, forcing Serena to win the tournament. If Kim reaches the finals, she'd almost certain be nr1, no matter what serena does.

XMan
Jun 16th, 2003, 09:48 AM
kim won't reach the 4th round, there is no way...

We'll see. It would be an amazing surprise for me if she don't reach the 4th round

BasicTennis
Jun 16th, 2003, 09:51 AM
lleyton brings Kim a great deal of bad luck, so she won't be no.1 this year unless she dumps Hewitt

Lien
Jun 16th, 2003, 11:39 AM
I don't want her to have that number 1 ranking, people hype that 'number 1' thing up.
I want her to have that slam, a trophy looks much nicer btw than ranking statistics.

rikvanlooy
Jun 16th, 2003, 12:00 PM
I don't want her to have that number 1 ranking, people hype that 'number 1' thing up.
I want her to have that slam, a trophy looks much nicer btw than ranking statistics.

I'm not that sure. There are only 12 tennis players who have reached the number one ranking. There are a 31 players who have won a slam (including Justine).

I think that winning a slam is far easier than becoming number one in the rankings.

Lien
Jun 16th, 2003, 12:09 PM
I would rather have that she becomes number 1 with a slam, only to avoid all the comments about it.

RAA
Jun 16th, 2003, 04:01 PM
well, if she gets to #1, I will be the first to congratulate her. she has had a heck of a run lately, and remember that last year she was injured for a lot of it, so she has really come back strong. i think that Serena holding on to #1 with 12 tournaments is an amazing feat, but is quite hard to sustain when you have challengers like Kim and Justine who play 20+ tourneys are year.

my question is, if she gets to #1, how long potentially could she be in that spot? or would this be more like the Agassi/Hewitt switching, where Hewitt is most often #1, with Agassi popping in there week after week.