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spokenword73
Jun 12th, 2003, 03:24 PM
Now that Justine has won her first slam, other players will be gunning to beat her the way they do all champions!! JHH had an excellent clay court season, but who will be the next person to beat her? I say Lin-c, particularly if they meet at Wimby ;)

Rtael
Jun 12th, 2003, 03:26 PM
Lindsay will never beat Justine again....bet money on it

SJW
Jun 12th, 2003, 03:28 PM
Justine will never beat Serena again...bet money on it :mad:;)

:D:D:D:D:D:angel:

The Crow
Jun 12th, 2003, 03:28 PM
Lindsay is not a player who wants to beat someone just because she won a slam....

jbone_0307
Jun 12th, 2003, 03:29 PM
Justine isn't particularly hunted and shes not the best player in the world, Serena is. Everybody knows the French Open was whach and lame as usual and the champion was a cheater. So Serena should still be hunted. Its a new surface

SJW
Jun 12th, 2003, 03:31 PM
for gods sake ive just decided not to commit suicide due to Serenas FO loss and now someone brings it back up :mad::angel:

*grabs knife*

RAA
Jun 12th, 2003, 03:33 PM
not sure that Justine is really "the hunted", well, (except maybe by Serena looking for some revenge..) ;-)

but Justine has to prove that she is just as tough on all surfaces, not just clay. I think she can be just as tough on these other surfaces but she has not shown the confidence on these other surfaces as she has shown on clay.

I'm thinking maybe Justine will have an early exit at Wimby? maybe? (not hoping, just thinking.. there will be a lot of pressure on her and she will have been exposed to a lot more media and fan attention since RG than she has ever experienced before.. it will be interesting to see how she handles it.)

DA FOREHAND
Jun 12th, 2003, 03:34 PM
The top player is the "hunted" that is not justine, slam or no slam. Her scalp is less valuable than Serena, Venus, and possibly Kim's, especially outside of the clay courts.

spokenword73
Jun 12th, 2003, 03:48 PM
Perhaps if JHH had been a little more gracious in her victory over Serena ("Everybody's happy about this except the Williamses," Mal Washington quoted her as saying) she wouldn't be a target, but as it is...

SJW
Jun 12th, 2003, 03:51 PM
pfffffffffffft

The Crow
Jun 12th, 2003, 03:57 PM
Perhaps if JHH had been a little more gracious in her victory over Serena ("Everybody's happy about this except the Williamses," Mal Washington quoted her as saying) she wouldn't be a target, but as it is...

So you heard Mal saying this? Or have you heard it from someone that someone else heard that Mal said this? :p

Nan Cu
Jun 12th, 2003, 03:59 PM
Justine played the French crowd like an accordion

Nan Cu
Jun 12th, 2003, 04:02 PM
If Justine said that, what does it mean?

Does she acknowledge he mind games, or do the Williamses feel trumped?

Nan Cu
Jun 12th, 2003, 04:05 PM
As for everyone being happy about it, TIME magazine, and Newsweek sure aren't celebrating. They've both made references to Serena's disappointment, and her undoing at the hands of the French. No praises for Justine.

SerenaSlam
Jun 12th, 2003, 04:08 PM
Justine was always hunted just like everyone else. she is not being hunted like Venus and Serena are "as in players are getting stronger physically and mentally nowadays" to beat them. But they are looking out for her more than they did in the past. But I wouldn't say that much. Justine has showed honestly she is only a threat on clay. she is a clay court specialist although she has been to wimbledon semis two straight years, the only good player she really beat on the way was jennifer cap. hell she just won a slam, we all for sure had to agree she would be hunted more. Serena Venus Linsday Amelie will take Justine out in straight easy sets in wimbledon. Justine's backhand is weakness on the grass and hardcourts. Everyone plays it. As you have seen and noticed, they only talk about its beauty during the clay court season b/c that is the only time she gets to show it off, and the only "timing" she will ever get on any court to hit a clean backhand. Justine is going to have to learn to give up the slice on grass and hardcourts. cuz when the ball is coming at you that hard and fast on grass or hardcourts, it is far to difficult to play a slice. We all saw this when she plays Venus everytime at wimbledon and or on hardcourts. she just doesn't have time, and that is something those four are good at taking away from justine time. again she had all the time in the world on clay and id say she is going to be more hunted and looked out for on the clay than she will ever be on grass or hardcourts. i think people have more respect for her when it comes to the clay. but as for watching out for her, that is done and gone. the respect they had for justine during wimbledon and the rest of the hardcourts season last year, should be the same this year. she just really isn't that big a force on the grass or hardcourts when it comes to these top 4 players on grass and hardcourts. they have her number. hell id put Jennifer in there, but Justine is clearly far better than her on any surface right now, and plus the fact i believe justine has beaten jennifer cap on the grass before, was that in 2001?

The Crow
Jun 12th, 2003, 04:14 PM
SerenaSlam, first time there was really talk about her back-hand was at Wimbledon 2001. A certain John McEnroe told everybody it was the nicest shot he had ever seen (yep he said this at Wimbledon). And if you don't believe Mr McEnroe, go and watch the second and third set of that 2001 semi-final against JenCap, maybe that would change your mind.

The only player she really beat on the way to her semi and final at Wimbledon is Cappy? Maybe true, but I give you another version: the only player who could stop her in those 2 Wimbledons was Venus.

SJW
Jun 12th, 2003, 04:16 PM
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH Go Venus! :cool: :rolleyes:

per4ever
Jun 12th, 2003, 04:19 PM
some people are just unbelievable...Justine reached final and semifinal in Wimbledon and there are still idiots saying that she'll lose easily against Serena, Venus, Lindsay, Amelie :rolleyes:

oh well keep on dreaming :) she'll prove you all wrong once again

SJW
Jun 12th, 2003, 04:24 PM
teheheehehehe i love threads about Justine Henin

always good for a laugh :D

fleemke³
Jun 12th, 2003, 04:25 PM
Well K'tje Justine is the worst player on the tour and it's unbelieveble that she keeps 'picknicking' in the top 5 all the time ... now she is on 3 and she can only play on gravel .. lord praise the crowd :worship: :rolleyes:

(btw for the stupid ones .. this is ironic :p)

The Crow
Jun 12th, 2003, 04:25 PM
Pffft it's like a good comedy, the first one is funny, but all the sequels suck :rolleyes:

SJW
Jun 12th, 2003, 04:26 PM
LMFAO ohhhhhhhh sarcasm :worship:

*thinks about stirring like Marcus Rock* :angel:

XMan
Jun 12th, 2003, 04:26 PM
Justine was always hunted just like everyone else. she is not being hunted like Venus and Serena are "as in players are getting stronger physically and mentally nowadays" to beat them. But they are looking out for her more than they did in the past. But I wouldn't say that much. Justine has showed honestly she is only a threat on clay. she is a clay court specialist although she has been to wimbledon semis two straight years, the only good player she really beat on the way was jennifer cap. hell she just won a slam, we all for sure had to agree she would be hunted more. Serena Venus Linsday Amelie will take Justine out in straight easy sets in wimbledon. Justine's backhand is weakness on the grass and hardcourts. Everyone plays it. As you have seen and noticed, they only talk about its beauty during the clay court season b/c that is the only time she gets to show it off, and the only "timing" she will ever get on any court to hit a clean backhand. Justine is going to have to learn to give up the slice on grass and hardcourts. cuz when the ball is coming at you that hard and fast on grass or hardcourts, it is far to difficult to play a slice. We all saw this when she plays Venus everytime at wimbledon and or on hardcourts. she just doesn't have time, and that is something those four are good at taking away from justine time. again she had all the time in the world on clay and id say she is going to be more hunted and looked out for on the clay than she will ever be on grass or hardcourts. i think people have more respect for her when it comes to the clay. but as for watching out for her, that is done and gone. the respect they had for justine during wimbledon and the rest of the hardcourts season last year, should be the same this year. she just really isn't that big a force on the grass or hardcourts when it comes to these top 4 players on grass and hardcourts. they have her number. hell id put Jennifer in there, but Justine is clearly far better than her on any surface right now, and plus the fact i believe justine has beaten jennifer cap on the grass before, was that in 2001?

Justine has beaten Jennifer in the semi of Wimbledon in 2001.

Justine has the game to play on grass and this year she has also the power thanks to her fitness program and the mental strength (she won the 4 finals she played). I wouldn't underestimate her, she is not just a clay specialist.

Nan Cu
Jun 12th, 2003, 04:32 PM
she won the 4 finals she played

Wasn't she beaten by Dementieva in a final?

fleemke³
Jun 12th, 2003, 04:39 PM
no Nan Cu it was in the semi's :) at Amelia Island ;)

kyk710
Jun 12th, 2003, 04:49 PM
Espn News Brief - June , 2008:
Serena Williams, still enraged about a cheating incident involving Justine Henin-Hardenne, who by the way disappeared mysteriosly a few years ago.... Has just won her 20th straight slam, as she hasn't lost a match in a grand slam since that loss to Henin-Hardenne at the French...;)

kyk710
Jun 12th, 2003, 04:50 PM
Wasn't she beaten by Dementieva in a final?
No, silly. Elena can't win a final ;). (Unless she's playing someone else who can't win a final, like Linzi ;))

spokenword73
Jun 12th, 2003, 04:52 PM
So you heard Mal saying this? Or have you heard it from someone that someone else heard that Mal said this? :p


espn.com, FYI, but of course they could be making it up :)

SerenaSlam
Jun 12th, 2003, 04:52 PM
SerenaSlam, first time there was really talk about her back-hand was at Wimbledon 2001. A certain John McEnroe told everybody it was the nicest shot he had ever seen (yep he said this at Wimbledon). And if you don't believe Mr McEnroe, go and watch the second and third set of that 2001 semi-final against JenCap, maybe that would change your mind.

The only player she really beat on the way to her semi and final at Wimbledon is Cappy? Maybe true, but I give you another version: the only player who could stop her in those 2 Wimbledons was Venus.
that is oh so nice to know, but personally i saw that 2001 match against Jennifer. But did you watch the 2001 Final? Did you watch the 2002 Semifinal all against Venus? Where was the backhand. What did/does/is it going to do against players like Serena Venus linday and Amelie. The threat of Justine is and has always been on clay.

We've had this discussion last year as well, and about Justine's ability. You all act like these are first time coversations, and then say wait and see.
We had the same talk about justine and her ability on clay against players like Serena Venus and Lindsay, and last year i said she had no chance, and she got killed in straight sets by venus, this year im saying the same thing. Against those 4 she really doesn't have a shot. Justine relies on the player more than her game.

shap_half
Jun 12th, 2003, 04:55 PM
SerenaSlam, first time there was really talk about her back-hand was at Wimbledon 2001. A certain John McEnroe told everybody it was the nicest shot he had ever seen (yep he said this at Wimbledon). And if you don't believe Mr McEnroe, go and watch the second and third set of that 2001 semi-final against JenCap, maybe that would change your mind.

The only player she really beat on the way to her semi and final at Wimbledon is Cappy? Maybe true, but I give you another version: the only player who could stop her in those 2 Wimbledons was Venus.

Allez!!!! That's sooo true. The past two Wimbledons only Venus has defeated Justine. So bring it on, Serena, bring it the fuck on! :D

lizchris
Jun 12th, 2003, 05:06 PM
that is oh so nice to know, but personally i saw that 2001 match against Jennifer. But did you watch the 2001 Final? Did you watch the 2002 Semifinal all against Venus? Where was the backhand. What did/does/is it going to do against players like Serena Venus linday and Amelie. The threat of Justine is and has always been on clay.

We've had this discussion last year as well, and about Justine's ability. You all act like these are first time coversations, and then say wait and see.
We had the same talk about justine and her ability on clay against players like Serena Venus and Lindsay, and last year i said she had no chance, and she got killed in straight sets by venus, this year im saying the same thing. Against those 4 she really doesn't have a shot. Justine relies on the player more than her game.

Good point.

In fact, in her last four Grand Slams, two of her three defeats have come from Venus. She might be riding high now because of her win at the French, but you know she is hoping that she is on Serena's side of the draw becaus she knows that she has a better chance beating Serena on grass than she does Venus. I bet she is also hoping that they use the WTA Tour rankings to seed the players instead of the player's (overall) grass performance because she knows that will put Venus on the bottom half of the draw.

The Crow
Jun 12th, 2003, 05:10 PM
that is oh so nice to know, but personally i saw that 2001 match against Jennifer. But did you watch the 2001 Final? Did you watch the 2002 Semifinal all against Venus? Where was the backhand. What did/does/is it going to do against players like Serena Venus linday and Amelie. The threat of Justine is and has always been on clay.

We've had this discussion last year as well, and about Justine's ability. You all act like these are first time coversations, and then say wait and see.
We had the same talk about justine and her ability on clay against players like Serena Venus and Lindsay, and last year i said she had no chance, and she got killed in straight sets by venus, this year im saying the same thing. Against those 4 she really doesn't have a shot. Justine relies on the player more than her game.

Of course her backhand is best suited for clay, of course Justine is the biggest threat on clay, I'm not disputing this. But going from this to "she's no threat on other surfaces than clay at all" is a bit far for me. I don't care that she hasn't beaten the big names at Wimbledon, someone who has a final and a semi in the last 2 Wimbledons is a threat! (Btw before this RG, she hadn't beaten the big names at RG either).

At Wimbledon, Serena and Venus are fav over Justine. Linds and Momo, maybe equal, nothing more.

spudrsca
Jun 12th, 2003, 05:13 PM
that is oh so nice to know, but personally i saw that 2001 match against Jennifer. But did you watch the 2001 Final? Did you watch the 2002 Semifinal all against Venus? Where was the backhand. What did/does/is it going to do against players like Serena Venus linday and Amelie. The threat of Justine is and has always been on clay.

We've had this discussion last year as well, and about Justine's ability. You all act like these are first time coversations, and then say wait and see.
We had the same talk about justine and her ability on clay against players like Serena Venus and Lindsay, and last year i said she had no chance, and she got killed in straight sets by venus, this year im saying the same thing. Against those 4 she really doesn't have a shot. Justine relies on the player more than her game.

I don't agree with that.
The only problem with the bachand of Justine is when the ball is quite high.
And the fact that Justine relies on the player more than her game is not true. In RG, I think she was first or second in winners during this tournament. And Look at the final, she was the one attacking.
On Grass, I'm sure Justine is a lot better than Kim.
Kim has not the technique for grass, if you look at her shots, you will see that she takes the ball often very late sometimes after her especially on her backhand. And in her forehand, she lacks a bit of timeing on grass.

griffin
Jun 12th, 2003, 05:16 PM
there are still idiots saying that she'll lose easily against Serena, Venus, Lindsay, Amelie

Yeah, but you can bet money that Serena, Venus, Lindsay, and Amelie aren't among them - and that's what counts :)

XMan
Jun 12th, 2003, 05:21 PM
Good point.

In fact, in her last four Grand Slams, two of her three defeats have come from Venus. She might be riding high now because of her win at the French, but you know she is hoping that she is on Serena's side of the draw becaus she knows that she has a better chance beating Serena on grass than she does Venus. I bet she is also hoping that they use the WTA Tour rankings to seed the players instead of the player's (overall) grass performance because she knows that will put Venus on the bottom half of the draw.

I bet she doesn't care at all about it.
And why would Venus be in the bottom half if they follow the WTA Tour ranking for the seeds? It can also be that Venus is in Serena's half because she is the fourth seed. But it is true that if they chose the WTA-rankings, Justine and Venus will be in opposite halfs of the draw.

per4ever
Jun 12th, 2003, 05:23 PM
Yeah, but you can bet money that Serena, Venus, Lindsay, and Amelie aren't among them - and that's what counts :)
so true :)

QUEENLINDSAY
Jun 12th, 2003, 05:24 PM
Lindsay will never beat Justine again....bet money on it

Just ONE cheating won and it Blinded you.
Maybe its the other way around JUSTIN WILL NEVER WIN AGAIN OVER LINDSAY!!!!!!! Its just one win, with a fake leg cramping when Lindsay is ahead and it fooled you.

QUEENLINDSAY
Jun 12th, 2003, 05:26 PM
BACK TO THE TOPIC!!!!!!!

I dont think any player is hunting anyone.
They need to wait for the draw who will they haunt round by round, so its not possible.

lizchris
Jun 12th, 2003, 05:41 PM
I bet she doesn't care at all about it.
And why would Venus be in the bottom half if they follow the WTA Tour ranking for the seeds? It can also be that Venus is in Serena's half because she is the fourth seed. But it is true that if they chose the WTA-rankings, Justine and Venus will be in opposite halfs of the draw.

Because Venus will be seeded 2 and that would put her in the bottom half of the draw. Now if they use the WTA tour rankings, it is a possibity that she would be in Serena's half, then that would mean she couldn't meet Justine until the final, but if she is seeded two and Justine is seeded 3, then they could meet in the semifinal.

DA FOREHAND
Jun 12th, 2003, 05:51 PM
"Justine is going to have to learn to give up the slice on grass and hardcourts. cuz when the ball is coming at you that hard and fast on grass or hardcourts, it is far to difficult to play a slice."

That may be the case w/some one-handed slice backhands, but there's a woman who owns seven Wimbledon Crowns, and five US Open titles.

Time will tell if justine can ride the wave of confidence and do better in the latter stages of the season.

bis2806
Jun 12th, 2003, 06:04 PM
Lindsay will never beat Justine again....bet money on it

wtf... no freaking way..... look at the h2h... lindsay will not look back and trust me, she'll kick henin for the rest of her life!!!!!

fleemke³
Jun 12th, 2003, 06:06 PM
I'm not going to say Justine never will lose again against Lindsay but she will win again I'm sure of that :)

QUEENLINDSAY
Jun 12th, 2003, 06:09 PM
I'm not going to say Justine never will lose again against Lindsay but she will win again I'm sure of that :)

I guess your not binded and fooled compared to other JUJU fans.

per4ever
Jun 12th, 2003, 06:43 PM
I guess your not binded and fooled compared to other JUJU fans.
hmm that's only one fan who said that ;)

No realistic fan can say that his favourite will never lose from a certain topplayer :)

SerenaSlam
Jun 12th, 2003, 07:20 PM
"Justine is going to have to learn to give up the slice on grass and hardcourts. cuz when the ball is coming at you that hard and fast on grass or hardcourts, it is far to difficult to play a slice."

That may be the case w/some one-handed slice backhands, but there's a woman who owns seven Wimbledon Crowns, and five US Open titles.

Time will tell if justine can ride the wave of confidence and do better in the latter stages of the season.
but also consider these points

1. Justine is not Martina Navratilova
2. Back then Martina didn't have to deal with the power there is today against her backhandslice
3. What you have quoted me to saying, you can go back and watch Venus vs. Justine Wimbledon Semis 2002, and you will hear the same thing said by Martina Navratilova :)

It just ain't gonna work.

QUEENLINDSAY
Jun 12th, 2003, 07:30 PM
hmm that's only one fan who said that ;)

No realistic fan can say that his favourite will never lose from a certain topplayer :)

Better tell that to your folk Rtael, He needs some help!!!!!!

Martian KC
Jun 12th, 2003, 08:51 PM
Serena is still number 1. Everyone is still gunning for her.

SJW
Jun 12th, 2003, 09:18 PM
nawwwwww....its "Henin talk" now ;)

*JR*
Jun 12th, 2003, 10:01 PM
"A hunted" is lousy grammer, but more like it. Meaning by everyone in Juju's part of a draw as long as she's there and they are. (BTW, I think she's perceived as the top Belgian for now, regardless of the rankings).