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DannerCal
Jun 11th, 2003, 04:19 PM
The website has indicated that the tourny board will announce the seeds on 6/17.

Since this is the only slam that does not have to use the rankings, it will be interesting to see what they do.

Now that Venus is ranked #4 - I would imagine there would be lots of comotion if they seeded her #2.

Think they will just play it safe and go with the rankings?

What are your thoughts?

E. Blackadder
Jun 11th, 2003, 04:21 PM
They'll go with the rankings

Jarrett
Jun 11th, 2003, 04:25 PM
I thought ANY tournament could change the seedings and Wimbledon was the only one that actually does it sometimes?

Kirt12255
Jun 11th, 2003, 04:35 PM
:wavey: I'm just going to fence sit....can't wait for the 100 threads that pop up here if the don't LOL...Serena should be 1...Venus should be 2....and they shouldn't be allowed to seed on form when they have just all played on an opposite surface IMO :wavey:

DannerCal
Jun 11th, 2003, 04:38 PM
What did they do last year?

Cam'ron Giles
Jun 11th, 2003, 04:43 PM
Venus should be the #2 seed with Serena #1 seed. She won two straight, and made the final last year...No way Kim should be seeded #2 or #3.

1. Serena
2. Venus
3. Justine
4.Kim
5. Lindsay

Venus Forever
Jun 11th, 2003, 04:48 PM
They'll go with the rankings. :o

DA FOREHAND
Jun 11th, 2003, 04:48 PM
I don't care where Venus is seeded, and this thread is obviously directed at her. What ever her seeding if she's healthy she will at least make the semis, and more than likely the final.

Martian KC
Jun 11th, 2003, 04:57 PM
Venus should be the #2 seed with Serena #1 seed. She won two straight, and made the final last year...No way Kim should be seeded #2 or #3.

1. Serena
2. Venus
3. Justine
4.Kim
5. Lindsay

I agree with this.:o

Rising Sun
Jun 11th, 2003, 05:09 PM
All I hope is that Tammy gets a seeding. She's reached the 4th rd 5 years in a row, she deserves it...

Venus Forever
Jun 11th, 2003, 05:16 PM
In order for Tamarine to get a seed, she HAS to be ranked at least #32, which she isn't.

Unless Tamarine pulls off a miracle, and wins the title in Birmingham, she will most likely not get a seed.

Even with the new seeding rules, you still have to be ranked 32 to get a seed, then they re-distribute who gets what seed.

So, she doesn't have a seed right now. :sad:

faboozadoo15
Jun 11th, 2003, 05:18 PM
i also hope they dont go strictly by rankings... so monica can get a top 16 seed... she made the quarters last year.... but maybe she won't even play...

DA FOREHAND
Jun 11th, 2003, 05:30 PM
If she's not going to retire this year then perhaps she should skip wimby, and go sailing w/Donald Trump. Not to mention this Russian kid has them warning people about grunting again.

SerenaSlam
Jun 11th, 2003, 06:28 PM
the fact that venus has dominated Wimbledon more than any other player on the tour right now over the past 3 years, says that she should be seeded number 1 or 2. I would make her 2 seeing Serena sweeped up wimbledon so bad last year. But when you look at kim clijsters, if they want to seed people by their own standards, she would be around number 5 behind justine and amelie, cuz they have done better than her. but that is just from last year.

If anything Venus is deserving of the number 2 seed. Wimbledon has always used the rankings like this. And I think the danger zone for anyone really is going to be Venus Williams and Lindsay Davenport. And Serena's only problem the entire tournie will be Venus Williams, cuz noone has anything else out there to hurt her on any court except for clay.

Seeds should be

Serena
Venus
Kim
Justine
Lindsay
Amelie
Chanda
Jennifer
Daniela

If they were to make their own seeds for everyone and not even look at the rankings at all....

Serena
Venus
Justine
Amelie
Lindsay
Jennifer
Kim
Daniela

RAA
Jun 11th, 2003, 08:11 PM
okay, I think they'll go with the rankings.

yes venus has won twice and then made the finals. but she is definitely not in form right now, grass or not.

lets not forget that ms. henin made the finals of wimby a few years ago. so she has shown she can play on grass.

personally, I think the rankings are a good indication right now of how the top players are playing. i'm not saying that Venus is the fourth best player out there, but right now, she is not playing as well as those above her. lets give kim and justine credit where it is due. and as much as I would like to be optimistic, I am not sure that Venus can work out all the kinks in her forehand and her serve, and get in grand slam shape, in two weeks. i have a terrible feeling she might go out real early at wimby (I really hope that is not true.. but just have that nagging feeling; and I had the nagging feeling that Serena wasn't going to repeat at RG either..so now i'm really worried about my nagging feelings!)

DA FOREHAND
Jun 11th, 2003, 08:17 PM
I'm not at all worried about your nagging feelings. If Venus is healthy, she has a great chance of keeping the cup in her family.

propi
Jun 11th, 2003, 08:30 PM
I have a question for you people ....
Conchi is ranked 17 currently, Coetzer is 16 will Wim seed Conchi as 16 as she's former winner ???

Hurley
Jun 11th, 2003, 08:41 PM
That's moot as Vera will probably be ranked ahead of both of them for the seedings.

Trish101
Jun 11th, 2003, 09:07 PM
helllllo...ummm EXCUSE ME...why the hell is Jennifer #8 on your list...there is something DIFFENETLY wrong here...shes gotten better results on grass than anyone consistantly other than the williamses and Amelie...soooo why the fuck is she #8? weelll at wimbly they better put her @ number 4 or 5....id even say #3

1.Serena
2 Venus
3 Lyndsay
4 Jennifer
5 Amelie
6 Kim
7 Justine

Monica will not play and nobody else made my list because i feel they dont deserve to be in the top 7

even though they will go with the rankings i feel...except with venus...they will put her @ #2

DannerCal
Jun 11th, 2003, 09:22 PM
how can you be certain monica will not play?
looks like most think they will use rankings.

Fedcup
Jun 11th, 2003, 09:24 PM
helllllo...ummm EXCUSE ME...why the hell is Jennifer #8 on your list...there is something DIFFENETLY wrong here...shes gotten better results on grass than anyone consistantly other than the williamses and Amelie...soooo why the fuck is she #8? weelll at wimbly they better put her @ number 4 or 5....id even say #3

1.Serena
2 Venus
3 Lyndsay
4 Jennifer
5 Amelie
6 Kim
7 Justine

Monica will not play and nobody else made my list because i feel they dont deserve to be in the top 7

even though they will go with the rankings i feel...except with venus...they will put her @ #2

lol@Justine nr 7

Justine 2002 Wimbledon SF
Justine 2001 Wimbledon Final + Winner of Heineken Open. So I do think this are consistance results too or not?

faboozadoo15
Jun 11th, 2003, 09:25 PM
oooo, the field is shaking... defending quarterfinalist jennifer capriati enters the conversation. #4 seed my ass. she's won 3 rounds at slams this year, while justine is a finalist and then semifinalist, amelie BEAT jen to make last year's semifinals, and kim is ranked WAY above her. she will be seeded higher than chanda, maybe. i see her at #7...

Trish101
Jun 11th, 2003, 09:27 PM
i agree...but you have to take in that shes already won a slam...and so she probably doesnt care as much...shes not as hungry and also all the women in front of justine are better grass court players...Jennifer has been in more SF than justin...four times now...sooo no dissagre...maybe #5...but thats the highest id give her...based WSOLELY on the other girls...sorry!

Trish101
Jun 11th, 2003, 09:29 PM
fam whatever...well whatever shes ranked itll be higher than miss monica..so shut your face

Trish101
Jun 11th, 2003, 09:32 PM
oooh yess...and how many matches has monica won sooo far????> oooh thats right...not many...sooo dont give me that...ok? your full of bull shit and Jennifer has been in loads of tough matches and great results...better than most girls and certainly better than Miss Monica

Trish101
Jun 11th, 2003, 09:35 PM
and ANOTHER thing...at least jen looses with dignity in tough three setters unlike SOME old hags who loose 60 63...and other very discusting results...i hope im not shoving the reality of things in your face fabooooo booo! and i certainly hope i havnt hurt those feelings but facts are facts...

faboozadoo15
Jun 11th, 2003, 09:36 PM
of course jennifer should have more femifianls in wimbledon than justine!!! i don't think points from 92 carry over 11 years later these days. in that case, miss MONICA would be the undoubted #1 seed over your jennifer capriati. you must be sooo jealous that has has these great results that jennifer will just never be a part of... awe, that's adorable...

Trish101
Jun 11th, 2003, 09:36 PM
gotta go...im watching a REAL tennis champ hit some winners!

Lindsayfan
Jun 11th, 2003, 09:37 PM
the seeds probably should be:

Serena
Venus
Justine
Lindsay
Kim
then the others...

but u'll see they'll go with rankings

griffin
Jun 11th, 2003, 09:37 PM
Nah, Trish, she just packed it in Toronto when she realized she wouldn't be beating Amelie ;)

But I do appreciate you making me laugh, I needed it today :D

faboozadoo15
Jun 11th, 2003, 09:41 PM
i won't even argue results against results this year with monica and jennifer, but uhhh monica has been a little injured all season. kinda like how jennifer was with her eyes at the australian. monica has still made it two a tier 1 and a tier 2 final... almost beating justine who kicked jenns ass on a hardcourt. dream on... i can sense your jealousy.

Trish101
Jun 11th, 2003, 09:41 PM
...uuuh...yeah and HIW many semi's has Monica been in in the last...oooh three four years? ...one? two maybe? ...well thats disgracefull...she gets waaay too much credit for winning nine slams when her only reaal competiton was Graff and CAPRIATI...oooh thats right Capriati was there at Monicas prime and i might add she did defeat Monica too!.....yeah so dont get too comfuy fabooo boo! cause Monica was Never a Navratilova she was simply a mildly talented player who happens to chow down McKicken burgers a lot..... and now shes nothing...how sad

faboozadoo15
Jun 11th, 2003, 09:42 PM
so she finally bought a classic monica match, did she? i knew she could get off her ass.

faboozadoo15
Jun 11th, 2003, 09:47 PM
yes, jennifer did beat monica twice... before she was stabbed. but did jennifer ever beat monica in a slam? hmmm didnt think so. does monica seles still have a winning record over jennifer after her comeback. o yes she does. in fact, she's beaten her 2 of the last 3 times they've played. jennifer was never competition for a slam... she never even made a final, that's true. did jennifer capriati get fat? hell yes. do you block that period out or something?

DannerCal
Jun 11th, 2003, 09:50 PM
This is not the bashing Monica Seles thread.
Monica is a true champion. She always gives credit to the other player, and has more class then most of the field.

faboozadoo15
Jun 11th, 2003, 09:50 PM
at times, i ponder why certain members choose to keep their reputation OFF, but then every once in a while, a poster like trish comes along that reminds me that there are people with little to be proud of...

villa
Jun 11th, 2003, 10:33 PM
It don't matter where venus is seeded aslong as she's not in serena's half cos if she's fit then against another player she will be the fave to win....

1jackson2001
Jun 11th, 2003, 10:33 PM
And the little voice says: Even with Venus being seeded#4 she can still only meet Serena in the final.

moon
Jun 11th, 2003, 10:50 PM
It'd be nice if they seeded Venus at #2 given her history there, but I think she'll be fine no matter what her seeding is.

Trish101
Jun 11th, 2003, 11:01 PM
fabooo....dont be a looser like some ppl...the only person who should feel bad is you...and I have nothing to be proiud oif? hahaha very funny but im not laughing cause your extremely short minded...maybe you need to leave and come back when youve stoped with the delusional fantasies....face it Monica had her run now its over she made money yay! yay! now lets all go home and cry cause ms pumkin is gone bye bye wwwwah! sorry if i dont shed a tear for ms "scream my lungs off"...and YES monica SCREAMS....did you know that in tennis there is a no grunting rule? so why the hell does she get to do it? thats what ID like to know!

Sanneriet
Jun 11th, 2003, 11:05 PM
Just curious, has Wimby ever not followed the rankings for the women? I know they don't have to.

Trish101
Jun 11th, 2003, 11:05 PM
and you wanna know WHY theres a rule? its because of the screamers like monica...she only defeated Jen at Oklahoma because of that screaming fit she had " ahhh AHHHH IM WINNING AHHHHH AHHHH ARRRGHHH ARGGGGHHH!" i saw that match and she was SCREAMING...and Jennifer was classy enough not to yell back "shut the fuckup you dum ass bitch!" cause i bet Navratilova would...and she did...the GREATEST woman to ever walk on a court even pulled rule 21 ...or 22...on Monica for the SAME reason... if thats not proof i dunno what is

Trish101
Jun 11th, 2003, 11:07 PM
and for your infoim only pointing out Monicas weaknesses cause i hate your guts Fabooo...you have major issues that you need to resolve...all you ppl need to wake up from your slumber party and stop trashing Jen...shes a better player than monica she simply never fully reached her potential...its too bad...but nevertheless jen has a bigger and better game...THAT im sure of....even when jen was 13 she had the same effect on monica...and monica was supposedly "the best ever" yeah right!...

Trish101
Jun 11th, 2003, 11:09 PM
and by the way...serena is the bet ever...followed by Navrailova and Chrissy...monicas 9 on my list and Jen is #5

faboozadoo15
Jun 11th, 2003, 11:20 PM
lol at how I have serious issues... keep the posts coming, they're truly hilarious exhibits of how little someone can know about tennis but can still think they know as much as others.

Jericho
Jun 11th, 2003, 11:26 PM
damnit! I thought this was the real list! I hate when people make these deceiving thread title!

faboozadoo15
Jun 11th, 2003, 11:26 PM
#1, there's no "grunting rule." let's just get that straight. there's an excessive noise rule. did you know that venus and serena grunt at a higher decibel than monica???

#2, jenn has a bigger game? yea right. monica served higher percentage, faster serves, returned at higher speeds with better placement, has a much better backhand, and the only thing that jenn wins is movement, which was equal before the stabbing.

#3, monica has more grand slams, even though she was stabbed, jennifer could never capitalize. monica has a winning record against jennifer even though most of their matches were played after monica's return.

RayRob
Jun 11th, 2003, 11:32 PM
Venus should be the #2 seed with Serena #1 seed. She won two straight, and made the final last year...No way Kim should be seeded #2 or #3.

1. Serena
2. Venus
3. Justine
4.Kim
5. Lindsay

Not sure I 100% agree with this.

Yes for S & V as 1 and 2

Lindsay has won Wimby once (1999), reached another final (2000), Semi-Final (2001).......prior to 1999 she was a constanst 4th/quarter appearance! Won Eastbourne twice(I think :confused:)....if not certainly won once, semi once.

Justine one final and one semi really @ wimby.

Kim......not familiar with her record at Wimby - don't think it's been too good (please correct me if I'm wrong).

This is what I think:
1. Serena (current #1 and defending champ!)
2. Venus (twice champ and once runner-up)
3. Lindsay (1 x Champ, 1 x Runner-up, 1x Semi, at least 2 x 1/4 pre-1999, record at Eastbourne)
4. Justine (1 x runner-up, 1 x semi)
5. Kim (not sure of record @ wimby but I think she won one title on grass at 's-Hertogenbosch)

The above is just my thoughts but I think the AELTC will probably stick with the set ranking/seeding to be safe because people may say that Justine and Kim are a bigger threat than Lindsay because of resent performances......so to rank according to past records could be unfair.?!

:wavey:Rachel

faboozadoo15
Jun 11th, 2003, 11:37 PM
btw: i think it will/should be
1 serena
2 venus
3 justine
4 kim or lindsay. it's tough between these 2 bc kim had a sucky tournament, and lindsay didn't play but has won. also, kim is ranked way above lindsay. being that they generally don't change the seeds all that much, i think kim will have the 4th seed. lindsay with the fifth. what matters more to lindsay and her fans is her own motivation, not her seed. and also, i think the 5 seed has a good history at wimbledon.

Trish101
Jun 11th, 2003, 11:41 PM
better serve? you can 95 mph fast? ok thats funny when jen serves 107's on a regular basis...oooh yeah and thats her second serve...she does hit doubles but at least they arent mediocre 95's
Return? Monica's isnt anything speacial Jen can hit jut as well....just look at a serena Jen match...Serena has the bests servs and jen hits deep back to he...you watch Monica and Serena...and its 61 61...yeah good RETURN!...NOT well thats not true...she returns well against oooh Moon ball Amanda Coetzer....yeah...and Movement? since when do fat ppl move well? Monica is a lil overweight to run with Jen...b-fore she was stabbed she could hobble...but she needed her angles to do the talking she couldnt run worth TURTLE! jen can run...she has better movement a HARDER serve and better forhand....sorry but jennifer is more complet a player...now she is...monica is a shell

Trish101
Jun 11th, 2003, 11:43 PM
you cant win Fabooo...so why try and insult me when you know nothing about me? you know im right...so admit it...your in denial...i unerstand i would be too...its ok! really it is!

franny
Jun 11th, 2003, 11:49 PM
the problem with giving venus a number two seeding at wimbledon would really be destroying the purpose of having a ranking system. I mean, players work their asses off in a year period to get a higher seed so they won't have to face the tougher opponents, and then wimbledon just decides to flip it around and waste all your hard earned points. Seedings should be based on how well you've done in the last 12 months, not how well you've done at that tournament. Kim has played well at every single tournament of the year and clearly deserves the number 2 seeding, she's made the semi finals of every single tournament she's played, she's made more semi's than tounaments venus has played in, which really says something. Wimbledon should not be messing with the seeds and ranking, they should go by the official rankings because these players worked their asses off in the past 12 months to improve their ranking and put themselves in a position to get a favorable draw.

Philip
Jun 12th, 2003, 12:01 AM
i guess the only seeds they'll change is tim and gregs :) *typical*

i guess they'd be pushing it if they gave Baltacha the 32nd seed ;)

DannerCal
Jun 12th, 2003, 12:11 AM
personally think they should go by rankings as well.
If you make adjustments for one or two players, you should do for all - and that then gets crazy. The true #1 and #2 should be seeded as such - as they have worked to get there.

anton
Jun 12th, 2003, 12:17 AM
1-Venus
2-Steffi
3-Serena
4-Navratilova

Any questions?

Venus Forever
Jun 12th, 2003, 12:21 AM
the problem with giving venus a number two seeding at wimbledon would really be destroying the purpose of having a ranking system. I mean, players work their asses off in a year period to get a higher seed so they won't have to face the tougher opponents, and then wimbledon just decides to flip it around and waste all your hard earned points. Seedings should be based on how well you've done in the last 12 months, not how well you've done at that tournament. Kim has played well at every single tournament of the year and clearly deserves the number 2 seeding, she's made the semi finals of every single tournament she's played, she's made more semi's than tounaments venus has played in, which really says something. Wimbledon should not be messing with the seeds and ranking, they should go by the official rankings because these players worked their asses off in the past 12 months to improve their ranking and put themselves in a position to get a favorable draw.

I totally understand your point about the seedings and how they should be the rankings. Yes, these players worked hard to get this high in the rankings to get more favorable draws.

HOWEVER, the LTA see's the same thing in how they seed according to success. They are trying to give the players with the best results on grass easier draws. It's like, say Venus fell to #10 in the world. Now, according to you, they should seed her #10. But, with Venus being seeded #10, she may face any of the top 4 seeds in the FOURTH ROUND. It is actually tougher for the top seeds then. But, if they seeded her #2 due to previous results, they will most likely not have to face her until the Semi's, making both paths easier.

Just my take.

Bероника
Jun 12th, 2003, 12:31 AM
[QUOTE=Trish101]all you ppl need to wake up from your slumber party and stop trashing Jen...shes a better player than monica she simply never fully reached her potential...its too bad...QUOTE]


lol that was funny.Do you have more jokes to share? lolollol

faboozadoo15
Jun 12th, 2003, 12:46 AM
lol... trish-- monica has never lost to serena 6-1 6-1... and monica has BEATEN venus-- something jenn has never done. not even with 8 match points.

faboozadoo15
Jun 12th, 2003, 12:49 AM
another thing, about the serves. jenn may hit 1 (ONE) serve in a match that goes 107 mph. monica has the same. however, monica AVERAGES 95 miles per hour throughout a match, while jenn slips below 90 mph most of the time. and let's compare (or rather contrast the second serves). monica is consistently between 80-85 on her second serve, while jenn drags into the mid 70's and hits many double faults.

martinarules
Jun 12th, 2003, 02:22 AM
it amazes me how immature a person can be aka Trish. It really makes me wonder if you ever get out of the house or off your computer to be so concerned about Jennifer Capriati. Obsessed much? Jesus christ seek proffesional help please and spare us your mediocre attempt to spotlight Jenn when everyone and their granny knows she is no where near the player Monica is/was or will be.