View Full Version : Should Justine Use the Same Strategy Used in Charleston Against Serena?

Jun 4th, 2003, 11:27 PM
My - my - but I don't think the writer should have even commented on the word savagery. But what can one expect from such slow pokes and ignoramouses?

Will Justine be able to play the same type of game she played against Serena when she beat her a couple of months ago? Will Serena be able to handle those slices and those what not shots Justine will try to confuse her and mute her power with?

Justine handled her business against Serena at Charleston - and this is true - but they are in Paris now and this is a slam - so I've gotta go w/Serena. She smells it more than the others - and mainly because she has been there - done it - wants it again - and most importantly - she is willing it.

Momo seemed out of sorts from the start yesterday - and I felt for her in her hometown - but Serena was just not going to lose to her twice in a row. Btw - when is the last time either Venus or Serena have lost to the same player twice in a row? It's been a while.

Congratulations to all the semifinalists though. They deserve their places.

For some reason - I am not into tennis like I used to be. I don't know what it is. I don't know if it is because Venus hasn't been clicking lately or what. I don't watch taped matches like I used to or anything. I didn't even buy any new tapes when I ran out a while back. I'm taping ova some old matches during this tourney. I do know that I miss the old days when Hingis & Davy were in contention. I don't visit this board like I used to. I don't read up on the tennis news the way I used to. I don't know what it is. But - I do still like to watch it on TV - and thankfully - I don't think I'll eva stop that. But some of the old thrill I had for tennis is gone.

I am not sad that Venus dropped to number four. I'm like who cares. Tennis is just a game. I just want her to be happy doing whatever it is that makes her happy. I mean - why should she worry about being this number or that number? It just does not make any sense. If a player feels they can beat others because they are good enough to - then it shouldn't matter the ranking. I will never trip over rankings again - if I ever did - because both of my faves have reached number one and won 4 slams. Ultimately - I've realized that it is still interesting to watch it on TV and appreciate watching a good match, but other than that - good luck to 'em all.




Such savagery makes a mismatch
By Richard Hinds in Paris
June 5 2003

Given the colour of her skin and the size of her physique, it is pushing the bounds of political correctness to refer to what Serena Williams does on the tennis court as savagery.

However, anyone who saw Williams stomp Frenchwoman Amelie Mauresmo into the Roland Garros clay is entitled to use that description without fear of censure.

Eyewitnesses to this ruthless womanslaughter will also feel a slight chill of fear for Williams's next opponent, the elfin Justine Henin-Hardenne. Not merely for the Belgian's hopes of winning the tournament, but for her physical safety.

Nothing an unusually grim-faced Williams did during her 6-1, 6-2 destruction of Mauresmo will provide comfort for Henin-Hardenne, who easily beat the far less intimidating Chanda Rubin 6-3, 6-2. Nor were Williams's post-match comments particularly reassuring.

You looked like you were ready to kill at times, Williams was told. "At this stage of the tournament, you have to be ready to do just about anything," she replied.

Henin-Hardenne beat Williams in the US this year. But then, Mauresmo also had a recent victory over the world No.1. While Williams denied her destruction of Mauresmo was a revenge killing, that previous result - and the hostile crowd at Court Philippe Chatrier - seemed to have made the American more determined than ever.

Asked if revenge was a possible motivation in the semi-final, Williams's words were ominous: "Yes it is," she said with a grin. The warning for Henin-Hardenne: Be scared. Be very scared.

Having earned a world ranking of No.3 in her personal land of the giants, no one can doubt Henin-Hardenne's courage.

"We'll see on the court," she said, when confronted with dozens of questions about how she would handle Williams in such devastating form. "We can talk a lot about that. It's on the court that we will have the answer."

The fear is that Henin-Hardenne will be smeared all over the court by the rampaging Williams. Although she will rely on a picturesque backhand and delicate touch, perhaps the Belgian's best hope is to use a syringe rather than a racquet.

Williams is happy about efforts to make the sport clean of drugs but the new blood-testing rules have uncovered a rare weakness. "I don't like blood-testing because I don't like needles and I cry, ever since I was younger," she said. "I have a phobia with needles."

Most of the rest of the tour, including Mauresmo, has now developed a grand slam phobia with Williams, and the Frenchwoman's jitters were obvious.

"The beginning of my match was a bit catastrophic and the rest just followed," said Mauresmo, who conceded 14 of the first 16 points.

On the other hand, Williams's ability to block out the crowd was almost as impressive as the sheer brutality of her play.

Williams's surprising assessment that her own form had been relatively poor seemed almost patronising. Yet, moving rapidly towards a fifth consecutive grand slam title, she has earned the right to hold the oft-stated opinion that she can only beat herself.

It now seems she is competing with history rather than anything the draw can throw up. After her 33rd consecutive grand slam victory, she is chasing the record of 45 set by Steffi Graf and Martina Navratilova who both won six straight titles.

The human most likely to challenge Williams remains Kim Clijsters, whose impressive form continued with a 6-2, 6-1 victory over Conchita Martinez. Clijsters is expected to have little trouble beating the 75th-ranked Nadia Petrova in the semi-finals, although the Russian was again plucky in beating the more highly rated Vera Zvonareva 6-1, 4-6, 6-3.

Clijsters will be desperate to make amends for her abject semi-final collapse against Williams at this year's Australian Open where she led 5-1 in the deciding set before she choked.

Not that Clijsters agrees with that brutal assessment. She says she was simply overpowered by Williams's incredible game. Mauresmo, and millions of crushed French fans, will choose to believe her.

Jun 4th, 2003, 11:34 PM
Sure. Why not? I'm sure MoMo thought to use the same strategy.

Astro Jetson
Jun 4th, 2003, 11:42 PM
I don't think Justine will be able to use the same strategy. I read somewhere that Venus tried to reach Oracene after the first set in Charleston to give advice on how to beat Justine. I think i know what the advice was: go to the net. So I expect tomorrow Serena will approach the net as soon as she gets the chance. If Justine is able to bring up her best passing shots and good first serves she has a chance. Otherwise.....

Hoping for an exciting semi! :bounce:

Jun 4th, 2003, 11:45 PM
I don't like the tone of this writer at all. It's WAY too dramatic. Almost like reading a goss-rag.

And Serena didn't say that revenge was the motivating factor. In fact, she didn't bring it up at all. She was asked about it and said that getting to the next round was the motivating factor, not revenge of any sort. Whatever. :rolleyes:

Jun 4th, 2003, 11:52 PM
I agree vs1 but the journalists always try to make the girls think they've ben saying bad things about each other. I just want to see Henin and Serena play a good competitive match

Jun 4th, 2003, 11:58 PM
I'm hoping for a good match as well... and Serena didn't grin when she said 'yes it is'. She was stone-faced while the entire press room laughed. She didn't bat an eye when she said it either. Now THAT made ME grin but not Serena... she's all-business. I love it when she gets like this. *UNF!*

Jun 5th, 2003, 02:05 AM
I've always thought he was a bit of a sensationalist dill - and spare a thought for me because he's been the only person reporting on tennis in my daily newspaper these past two weeks! Thanks goodness for the internet!

Back to the topic, Justine said she had some ideas but would not discuss them publicly before the match. I'm guessing some of the same and some new tricks as well. I don't think it's going to be a walkover for Serena this round.

Jun 5th, 2003, 02:08 AM
she needs to be very agressive from the start! i mean first point! go justine! :):):)

Jun 5th, 2003, 02:11 AM
That will only work if the same erratic, impatient Serena shows up tomorrow, and I wouldn't put any money on that.

Jun 5th, 2003, 02:14 AM
Actually Justine played very poorly against Serena in Charleston, so hopefully Justine will play well this time.

Jun 5th, 2003, 02:15 AM
I like Serena and I like Justine. Justine's "strategy" in Charleston was to take advatage of shitty serves by Serena. Some of Serena's serves would make some of Martina Hingis' second serves look likes aces. If Serena serves like shit, then Justine should employ her strategy from Charleston. If not, she needs something else. Justine's win at Charleston was great, no trashing her, but their matches' outcomes rely on what Serena does. Only time will tell.

Jun 5th, 2003, 02:16 AM
Whatever the case, she better bring her "A" game, and hope Serea doesn't.

"A" agaisnt "A" equals Cya later Justine.

Jun 5th, 2003, 02:28 AM
Whatever the case, she better bring her "A" game, and hope Serea doesn't.

"A" agaisnt "A" equals Cya later Justine.

It obviously worked last time. Lets hope it works again. :)

Jun 5th, 2003, 02:31 AM
You're right. That's why Kim and Justine have so many wins over Serena in slams.

Jun 5th, 2003, 02:31 AM
They both didn't play too well in Charleston.
It should be a different match. I don't care
what strategy Justine uses no matter how
dumb or ugly as long as she wins. I don't care
if she blow 5 match points, and has 4 match points
against her from Serena as long as she can come
up with 1 more match point and win.

Let's put the grace, and charm back into tennis.
It's getting too heavy, like a boxing match nowadays.

Jun 5th, 2003, 02:39 AM
So what you're saying is you tennis to return to the twenties, when the women wore court sweeping dresses?

You must have lost sleep when your read Wimbledon was doin away with the curtsy

Jun 5th, 2003, 02:48 AM
What wrong with grace and charm on court?.
I don't like the watching players act like thugs!!

Jun 5th, 2003, 03:09 AM
This just makes me laugh....why does everything have to be a freakin soap opera with these people!!

Jun 5th, 2003, 03:32 AM
henin needs a flexible gameplan. she is the underdog and needs to adapt to how SERENA is PLAYING. if serena is striking winners, she'll need to have her running shoes, and play aggressively too. she has the best shot with that gameplan on clay.

however, if serena is inconsistent, yet still playing well, justine will have to stay aggressive but be very patient. remember serena is a human too.

hoping for a good match. im waking up early, so it better be. lol.
what time will it be on? so i dont wake up too early.

Jun 5th, 2003, 03:43 AM
With that backhand of hers I'd alternate low slices with high loopy topsin down the center of the court. Serena is deadly on the run but has atrocious footwork when she has to get out of her own way.

If Henin is serving smart she'll serve a lot into Serena's body as well. Henin's serve tends to let her down a lot though. Rena will feast on anything weak.

Jun 5th, 2003, 03:45 AM
Justine should definitely use the same strategy. Although Justine can generate power as well, she's better off using her versatility to upset Serena's rhythm and draw more errors. Serena's a terrific champion but I think Justine is ready and will beat her in three sets.

Dawn Marie
Jun 5th, 2003, 05:17 AM
What wrong with grace and charm on court?.
I don't like the watching players "act like thugs"!!

Greenout I take it you detest Martina Hingis then right? Lmao... you're infact probably a HUGE fan of the infamous 1999 final.

Jun 5th, 2003, 05:39 AM
What the hell does Serena's skin color and size have to do with "savagery?" It never ceases to amaze me that ass-holes like this so-called writer has the audacity to write something so asinine. It is not about being politically correct, but about being CORRECT. What's savagery is that such IGNORANT individuals are provided a platform to make such statements. The fact is, there are many "white" skinned women on the WTA who are bigger than Serena in height and weight, yet this ass-hole never would have equated "savagery" with their victories. Could a reasonably intelligent individual have written an insightful article about Serena's victory over Mauresmo without mentioning her skin color and equating it with "savagery?" Of course, but his own lack of humaneness and civility would not allow him to accord her with humaneness.

It greatly offends me that such statements continue to be associated with persons of color, while persons referred to as "white" are never characterized with such negativity. However, if one is familiar with ancient and recent history, it is not the person of color who is the SAVAGE.

Jun 5th, 2003, 06:04 AM
You're right. That's why Kim and Justine have so many wins over Serena in slams.

you do know serena has only played justine once at a slam right in 2000 at flushing meadows, this does not indicate anything.

Jun 5th, 2003, 06:12 AM
Some people will use any excuse that they can find in order to dehumanize a black person, especially one who is very successful in their field of endeavor.

VENUS was deemed not to be serious enough about tennis and some people were not happy with her; SERENA was seen as too serious and guess what, these same morons were not happy once again.

Relegating negative beastial descriptions to black people is one of the oldest forms of bigotry in literature and it still sems to persist even today.

Jun 5th, 2003, 06:19 AM
Serena also played and beat Clijsters in a Slam. It was an early round. I believe it was the 1999 US OPEN. Clijsters played very well, but as we all know, Serena held up the trophy in the end.

Jun 5th, 2003, 07:32 AM
I think she should if it's that type of Serena that shows up (aka inconsistent).

Jun 5th, 2003, 08:09 AM
If Serena plays her A-game, then it's up to Justine to get her out of that game. To frustrate her, bring everything back..force her into errors. I'm positive a good Justine can do this..let's hope so :)

Jun 5th, 2003, 08:24 AM
the Ultimateone,

You have a good point on the word imlied
when he used "savagery". I don't know if you
follow or studied art history; but it's a very
common point now in global times to avoid terms
such as "savage".

only until recent times, mainly the late 1970's
has art from Asia stop being called "Oriental"
or "Folk art". Art from South America, and
Africa and Oceania stop being tagged "Primitive
Art". Modern so called masters such as Picasso have
have based their work on indigenious art out of
Western countries. The so called primitives were
miles ahead of their European counterparts in
going beyond just producing what they see.
Art out of Europe is highly intellectual, and not
as literal as European art.

To tag something or someone "savage" is to imply
that it's not European, or sophisticated.
For along time people called old Italian art or Greek
Art "Classical". In China, an country as old as
Italy or Greece, classical implies Old Chinese
black paint brush stroke work by ancient Chinese
scholars. lol.

In another thread I used the "word" thuggery to imply
bullying as in the take a skinny kid's lunch money away.
My word choice isn't about race. When I see the word
"savagery" it sounds like old white Europeans talking
about a trip to the amazon.

Jun 5th, 2003, 09:13 AM
Justine should use the same tactics because Serena has already prepared for it.hehehe:devil:

Allez Serena!!!!:bounce:

Jun 5th, 2003, 10:03 AM
It will help Justine if she can win the first 5 games...