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DA FOREHAND
Jun 4th, 2003, 04:46 PM
Funny how people are trashing Amelie for losing her match to the tours best player, while playing w/the wieght of a country on her shoulders, but giving Conchita, a free pass to play such a crappy ass lame match.


Conchi is in the best shape of her career, and speaks of wanting to return to the top ten, yet went into her macth looking like she was lost, and had no game plan. Get a grip Conchita, you wouldn't be top ten if the tour was played on clay for eight months.

ToeTag
Jun 4th, 2003, 04:54 PM
Funny how people are trashing Amelie for losing her match to the tours best player, while playing w/the wieght of a country on her shoulders, but giving Conchita, a free pass to play such a crappy ass lame match.


Conchi is in the best shape of her career, and speaks of wanting to return to the top ten, yet went into her macth looking like she was lost, and had no game plan. Get a grip Conchita, you wouldn't be top ten if the tour was played on clay for eight months.
Yeah but Martinez ALWAYS looks like.The thing Martinez knows best is tanking and pouting during matches :rolleyes: You would think a grown woman and a more than experienced PRO would'nt behave like that....When is she going to retire. :confused:

DA FOREHAND
Jun 4th, 2003, 05:03 PM
I'm not calling for her retirement, but at least have the decency to relegate yourself to doubles like Natasha! (kidding)

But seriously you'd think a player w/her skill and experience would know how to mix up her junk w/aggressiveness. She has the skill and game that could really muck up most of these players on clay.

irma
Jun 4th, 2003, 05:11 PM
conchita tried harder yesterday then she did by example did at the aussie open 95 semi or french open 96 semi :o

Hercules
Jun 4th, 2003, 05:12 PM
Realmente no tengo ni puta idea de inglés, xo x lo q he entendido no me hace ninguna gracia. Q envidiosos. Si con 31 años ha llegado a jugar unos cuartos y estar la 17 del mundo, y aún así keréis q se retire, sois realmente patéticos

DA FOREHAND
Jun 4th, 2003, 05:14 PM
ummm yeah what she said.

Cariaoke
Jun 4th, 2003, 05:14 PM
Well, to be honest, Conchi, for me, is an afterthought. *shrug* She's in her post-twilight years as far as I'm concerned. I mean, even ASV has called it a day. I'm not bashing Conchi at all but Nav, Chris and Steffi have peaced out. Her game was great but I kinda feel like the time has passed her by. When she was playing Lindsay and I heard her huffing and puffing and her wretched scream... I thought... how does she do it for all these years! :eek: It's kinda like if Serena was playing 13 years from now... I mean... c'mon!

Monica and Jenny were pretty young when they started but in the next few years they'll be peaced out as well. :sad:

BigTennisFan
Jun 4th, 2003, 05:34 PM
Wasn't it Pam who said that Conchi screwed up her preparation time by getting to the court 15 minutes late and rushing and pouting like it was somebody's else's fault?

I guess she thought that the rain would cause more of a delay than it did. She should have known better.

Joseosu19
Jun 4th, 2003, 05:38 PM
Conchita is over 30, and made the 4th rd. That's pretty darn good. She definately isn't in the best shape of her career. Amelie on the other hand, is ranked in the top ten, and is in the best shape of her career having come off a victory over Serena Williams. Amelie came in as a favorite, Conchita did not. There's your difference.

DA FOREHAND
Jun 4th, 2003, 05:42 PM
Sounds like you're making excuses for why Conchita was ill prepared and obviously brought the wrong game plan into her match. What did she think she was playing Coetzer?

How old was Steffi when she won the French, beating Lindsay/Monica/Hingis? I know Conchita has no business being mentioned in the same breath as Steffi, but when you bring age into the equation.

SJW
Jun 4th, 2003, 05:46 PM
she started the match so well

she just needs a bit of fire in her belly....she looks like she cant be assed half the time

WtaTour4Ever
Jun 4th, 2003, 05:49 PM
I think its just higher expectations ...plus the fact that she won last time her and Serena played. No offense but no one really expects anything from Conchita.

Rtael
Jun 4th, 2003, 05:54 PM
Lol....god, the woman is as old as dirt, and has no where near the power of the power players today yet she's still out there playing all the time, and she is currently back into the top 20, after falling out of the top 50, I believe, last year.....If she didn't care why would she still be playing? My god it's pretty fucking ignorant for you to be calling for the retirement of a player who just made the Quarter Finals of a grand slam!

The Crow
Jun 4th, 2003, 05:54 PM
There's a difference between number 5-6 in the world and number 15-25 (dunno exactly). I actually was a bit disappointed with Chanda's play (well not really cause Justine's my fav player, but you know what I mean ;))

supercmfan
Jun 4th, 2003, 05:56 PM
Realmente no tengo ni puta idea de inglés, xo x lo q he entendido no me hace ninguna gracia. Q envidiosos. Si con 31 años ha llegado a jugar unos cuartos y estar la 17 del mundo, y aún así keréis q se retire, sois realmente patéticos


no hagas ni caso conchitamágica, recuerda que las perlas no estan hechas para los mldts-crds-bstrdosssssssssssssss :devil:

CONCHITA ETERNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA :bounce:

hinquit
Jun 4th, 2003, 06:05 PM
Funny how people are trashing Amelie for losing her match to the tours best player, while playing w/the wieght of a country on her shoulders, but giving Conchita, a free pass to play such a crappy ass lame match.


Conchi is in the best shape of her career, and speaks of wanting to return to the top ten, yet went into her macth looking like she was lost, and had no game plan. Get a grip Conchita, you wouldn't be top ten if the tour was played on clay for eight months.

Are you talking about Conchita getting a free pass to play such a crappy
ass lame match. What you expect people to say about that. She was
going to lose that match and it was obvious before the clash.
But you also foregot to note that this board was not accessible when
Venus lost and no body gave about damn what happens to Capriati's
defeat. There were so many things that happened during this french
open and people don't care to talk about them, let alone Clijsters
being bargelled and lucky to escape defeat in hands of Maleeva.

DA FOREHAND
Jun 4th, 2003, 06:10 PM
Yes in tennis years she's as old as dirt, but she stated that she'd like to make a run at the top ten. Her performance didn't come close to legitimizing her stated objective. This was a "grand" oppurtunity for her to make a statement on the court, and she failed to make a mark.

It would have been nice to have seen an ounce of confidence, and perhaps some determination.

Of the top seven players on the tour, Kim seems to be the least intimidating.

irma
Jun 4th, 2003, 06:16 PM
for the last time when conchita was "at her prime" she didn't do better in grand slams against the toppplayers except for wimbledon 94 and at the french 95 (or maybe that's how you can look at it too since she should have lost 6:3 6:2 of course)

so nothing changed :o

ToeTag
Jun 4th, 2003, 06:20 PM
Lol....god, the woman is as old as dirt, and has no where near the power of the power players today yet she's still out there playing all the time, and she is currently back into the top 20, after falling out of the top 50, I believe, last year.....If she didn't care why would she still be playing? My god it's pretty fucking ignorant for you to be calling for the retirement of a player who just made the Quarter Finals of a grand slam!
HMMM I hear a little whining noise...must be a Martinez fan."If she didn't care why would she still be playing?"HMMM....well its' not like she can get by on her looks. :p

spencercarlos
Jun 4th, 2003, 06:25 PM
That´s her game... its was enough to beat Perebinis, Gagliardi,Pisnik and a retired Davenport.
Once she gets and faces the real contenders for the big events she will lose.

I don´t think she played that bad, she was trying to be the agressor and hitting some good shots.. buts that game of hers is not enough in order to beat the top players.

The Crow
Jun 4th, 2003, 06:33 PM
Of the top seven players on the tour, Kim seems to be the least intimidating.

lmao! Have you actually seen Kim play lately?

DA FOREHAND
Jun 4th, 2003, 06:44 PM
Yes, several times and her game doesn't look intimidating or imposing. She gets lots of balls back and is very consistant. Her net game is virtually non existant, although she does approach to shake hands at the end. I've never seen her blow any of the top players off the court. She's basically a younger fresher version of Capriati, with better touch, and use of angles.

Soch
Jun 4th, 2003, 06:44 PM
I really don't care about such stupid remarks

Rtael
Jun 4th, 2003, 06:48 PM
HMMM I hear a little whining noise...must be a Martinez fan."If she didn't care why would she still be playing?"HMMM....well its' not like she can get by on her looks. :p




LOL,yeah, let's just forget that she's made millions of dollars playing tennis and could retire and live happily and richly for the rest of her life....

And Squawk....why don't you just fuck off, and go crawl under a rock or something? Every time you post it's to say something inflammatory or deorgatory....why don't you just fukcing get a life instead of hanging around here just waiting to say something nasty?

ToeTag
Jun 4th, 2003, 07:17 PM
LOL,yeah, let's just forget that she's made millions of dollars playing tennis and could retire and live happily and richly for the rest of her life....

And Squawk....why don't you just fuck off, and go crawl under a rock or something? Every time you post it's to say something inflammatory or deorgatory....why don't you just fukcing get a life instead of hanging around here just waiting to say something nasty?
:rolleyes: well I do agree that "fuck off" and "go crawl under a rock" would absolutely be considered "inflamatory" or "derogatory"..LOL... :kiss: ...yes I do think you should "get a life",after all you have 1295 posts and mine is 154.LMAO....have a nice day...um ..what was your name again?

baleineau
Jun 4th, 2003, 07:23 PM
geez, give the girl a break. she's not claiming to be top-10 - she's stating that she would like to get there again. she's at 13 in the Race, and is ranked 17, with only about 100 points to defend between now and September.

she almost certainly tried against Kim, but lost heart. Looking at the stats, it seemed as if she didn't do that much wrong, except serve badly.

Try picking on the girls who still have a lot to prove - Conchita has nothing to prove. When Serena, Venus, Kim, Justine, Amelie and whoever else you may like reach the QFs at a slam 14 years after they first started reaching slam QFs, perhaps you won't judge them so harshly when they take the occasional battering.

And don't forget, Conchita is under pressure when she plays Roland Garros - its difficult to define, but I think the pressure to win this title cost her when she was at her prime. She'd cruise, and then put in a nervy performance at the end that didn't do herself justice.

propi
Jun 5th, 2003, 12:11 AM
Well smart people if ASV would have done slightly similar last year as Conchi's doing this she would be retired at all.
Why should Conchi stop playing after beating
- Dokic
- Hantuchova
- Davenport
- Coetzer
- Dannilidou
And many others??
Anyway she's 31 and doesn't ahve to proove anything

kku
Jun 5th, 2003, 12:38 AM
Funny how people are trashing Amelie for losing her match to the tours best player, while playing w/the wieght of a country on her shoulders, but giving Conchita, a free pass to play such a crappy ass lame match.


Conchi is in the best shape of her career, and speaks of wanting to return to the top ten, yet went into her macth looking like she was lost, and had no game plan. Get a grip Conchita, you wouldn't be top ten if the tour was played on clay for eight months.

Hmmmm, considering that Conchi's been out of the top 30 for about two years, it's understandable why everyone didn't expect her to give Kimmy lots of trouble.

Now AMELIE, oto, actually BEAT Serena (ARRRGGHHHH, how in the world could Babygirl have lost that match?!?) a couple of weeks ago. At the very least, Amelie should've done a bit more than lose 1-6, 2-6 to Serena *still getting over aftershock of Serena's Rome loss*

DA FOREHAND
Jun 5th, 2003, 01:57 AM
I did't have Conchi beating Kim, but at least putting up a credible fight.

Celeste
Jun 5th, 2003, 02:09 AM
Amelie is like Top 5 and beat Serena a few weeks ago. She is considered a "slam contender" because of her ranking and because she is really talented and still relatively young. It was too bad she went down so easily against Serena, but the facts are the facts, she did, for whatever reason.

Conchita has always been shit on (largely due to Navratilova propaganda, but also Conchita's own shitty performance at slams, if winning is your standard) as bad news and never living up to her potential. That was when she was 23 years old. Now she is 31 and has spent at least some portion of the last two years far out of the Top 50, and in some cases, in danger of falling out of the Top 100. Plus, she didn't play anyone spectalular coming into that QF, except an injured Lindsay. As much as I like Conchita, the comparison between her current form and Amelie is really unfair. There is no comparison.

DA FOREHAND
Jun 5th, 2003, 02:14 AM
I"m not comparing Conhita w/Amelie, that woudn't be a fair comparison Amelie is a legitimate top ten player Conchi. at this stage isn't, but talks about getting back there.

She talkin the talk, but when it came crunch time she played a lackluster, gutless match.

If you made a list of those who have victimizd Dockic lately Conchi's win would hardly look impressive.

mboyle
Jun 5th, 2003, 02:18 AM
Yes, several times and her game doesn't look intimidating or imposing. She gets lots of balls back and is very consistant. Her net game is virtually non existant, although she does approach to shake hands at the end. I've never seen her blow any of the top players off the court. She's basically a younger fresher version of Capriati, with better touch, and use of angles.

Jennifer DEFENSIVE?:eek: Do you open your eyes when she plays?:o :eek:

Celeste
Jun 5th, 2003, 02:20 AM
She beat Daniela also, for whatever that's worth these days. No one is saying anything Conchita did in the last 6 months was decent, except for Rome QF, and Indian Wells SF, but she is not Amelie, not even close right now. Conchita got an easy pass to the QF's, that is it. Amelie is a top player, more is expected.

Greenout
Jun 5th, 2003, 02:23 AM
Celeste,

Forget it. These Williams fans don't really care about
truly discussing a player. It's just a cheap excuse to
thrash everyone else except their team.

Ryan
Jun 5th, 2003, 02:23 AM
I"m not comparing Conhita w/Amelie, that woudn't be a fair comparison Amelie is a legitimate top ten player Conchi. at this stage isn't, but talks about getting back there.

She talkin the talk, but when it came crunch time she played a lackluster, gutless match.

If you made a list of those who have victimizd Dockic lately Conchi's win would hardly look impressive.


Are you drunk? How can you talk about Conchita getting a free pass to play crappy, then say you ARENT comparing the two?

Conchita stated she want to get back in the top 10. I think EVERY tour player would like to get there. Yeah, she played crap for most of the match. She's not excused for that. But Amelie came in with a win over Serena this year, and was suposed to give her a fight. She didn't. Conchita came into her match with Kim the underdog, and wasn't suposed to put up much of a fight. She didn't. Get over it.

DA FOREHAND
Jun 5th, 2003, 02:28 AM
Jennifer DEFENSIVE?:eek: Do you open your eyes when she plays?:o :eek:


Still trying to find where I said Jenn was a defensive player

Sonf@
Jun 5th, 2003, 04:06 AM
Some people are criticising Conchita for telling she'd make it to the top ten again. I could bet that if she keeps with these good results she will be in the top ten, but at the same time, these people, who are Williams' fans, just seem to don't remember when Serena said she wouldn't lose a match during all year. Well she did. You are criticising people for talking but your faves do the same.

Conchita is NOT at her best shape. I think that there was only an era when she was at her best shape, and it was 1993-1995. Of course she had the good shape to bt almost everyone, but anyhow, she failed to bt the really top players, but she lost as a champion.

I don't think that moon-balling is boring. In fact I do think that Williams' and other's game is boring, because it's always the same. Only hard shots. At least there are some players like Conchita or Magüi Serna that mix the shots and makes the tennis entertaining.

Conchita has lived between lots of generations of players, and she's always been there. She's been with Navratilova-Evert, with Graf-Seles, Hingis-Davenport, Williamses-Belgians... and she's always been there, getting good results as some other didn't hold the pressure and went away. This is Conchita's 17th year in the tour and she is at a good level. I would like to see where Serena's level is if she reaches a 17th year in the tour. The real champions are the ones that can always be there, like Steffi, Seles, Arantxa, Navratilova...

Seems like almost all Serena's fans only follow her because she is the #1 right now. Of course two years ago, when she was struggling, she didn't have so many fans. If she got to a shitty level and got down to the top 25, I don't think she would keep those many fans.

To finish, there's another main difference between Conchita and Serena. Conchita has class and is not a sore loser.

Philbo
Jun 5th, 2003, 05:39 AM
I dont think Conchita was around during the Evert-Navrtilova era, she may have gotten them in the last years of Nav's career, but did she ever play Chris?? Evert retired in 89...I dont really recall Conchi doing anything until the early 90's??

irma
Jun 5th, 2003, 05:50 AM
conchita played evert in her last match

in fed cup 89. I think evert won 6:3 6:2 or so!

stephano hair
Jun 5th, 2003, 06:07 AM
conchita didnt play crappy! she just outplayed... and wouldve beaten davy if she wasnt injured neways! davy cant move 4 a lot of conchita's short balls and so deserved the QF position-clijsters was just 2 good on da day!

VAMOS CONCHITA, VAMOS! :D

baleineau
Jun 5th, 2003, 10:54 AM
I dont think Conchita was around during the Evert-Navrtilova era, she may have gotten them in the last years of Nav's career, but did she ever play Chris?? Evert retired in 89...I dont really recall Conchi doing anything until the early 90's??

Well, that's ignorance on your part. She made a stunning debut in 1988, reaching the 4R of the French Open as a qualifier, in only her second Pro tournament. She finished 1988 ranked 40, aged 16. Not bad. And she played Evert that year at the US Open, giving her a scare in the first set 6-4. She also won a Tier III title.

In 1989, she reached the QF of the French, the 4R at the US Open, won 3 titles (including a Tier II with a 6-0 6-0 win over Cecchini followed by a 6-2 6-3 win over gaby in the final) and finished the year at Number 7, aged 17.

She continued to be ranked between 7 and 11 until 1993 when she made a breakthrough. Before then, she was winning several Tier III titles per year, reaching Slam quarter-finals here and there, and causing upsets. She played Navratilova 4 times, winning 3 of them.

She wasn't outstanding between 1988 and 1992, but she was definitely worthy of the top-10 ranking she held, especially given her age.

Manu79
Jun 5th, 2003, 10:56 AM
Some people are criticising Conchita for telling she'd make it to the top ten again. I could bet that if she keeps with these good results she will be in the top ten, but at the same time, these people, who are Williams' fans, just seem to don't remember when Serena said she wouldn't lose a match during all year. Well she did. You are criticising people for talking but your faves do the same.

Conchita is NOT at her best shape. I think that there was only an era when she was at her best shape, and it was 1993-1995. Of course she had the good shape to bt almost everyone, but anyhow, she failed to bt the really top players, but she lost as a champion.

I don't think that moon-balling is boring. In fact I do think that Williams' and other's game is boring, because it's always the same. Only hard shots. At least there are some players like Conchita or Magüi Serna that mix the shots and makes the tennis entertaining.

Conchita has lived between lots of generations of players, and she's always been there. She's been with Navratilova-Evert, with Graf-Seles, Hingis-Davenport, Williamses-Belgians... and she's always been there, getting good results as some other didn't hold the pressure and went away. This is Conchita's 17th year in the tour and she is at a good level. I would like to see where Serena's level is if she reaches a 17th year in the tour. The real champions are the ones that can always be there, like Steffi, Seles, Arantxa, Navratilova...

Seems like almost all Serena's fans only follow her because she is the #1 right now. Of course two years ago, when she was struggling, she didn't have so many fans. If she got to a shitty level and got down to the top 25, I don't think she would keep those many fans.

To finish, there's another main difference between Conchita and Serena. Conchita has class and is not a sore loser.

Bien dicho!!! :D :D

Gallofa
Jun 5th, 2003, 11:06 AM
Well, that's ignorance on your part. She made a stunning debut in 1988, reaching the 4R of the French Open as a qualifier, in only her second Pro tournament. She finished 1988 ranked 40, aged 16. Not bad. And she played Evert that year at the US Open, giving her a scare in the first set 6-4. She also won a Tier III title.

In 1989, she reached the QF of the French, the 4R at the US Open, won 3 titles (including a Tier II with a 6-0 6-0 win over Cecchini followed by a 6-2 6-3 win over gaby in the final) and finished the year at Number 7, aged 17.

She continued to be ranked between 7 and 11 until 1993 when she made a breakthrough. Before then, she was winning several Tier III titles per year, reaching Slam quarter-finals here and there, and causing upsets. She played Navratilova 4 times, winning 3 of them.

She wasn't outstanding between 1988 and 1992, but she was definitely worthy of the top-10 ranking she held, especially given her age.

Well said, baleineau, but I am afraid it is useless with Philbo, he just has it in for Conchita, cuz she took his beloved Martina's 10th Wimbledon title :D

Conchita is a true champion. She's been on the tour since forever, playing well. Her style, as outdated and boring as some people claim it to be, has taken her to 11 Roland Garros QF appearances. The last time, this very same year 2003. She has true talent. Unfortunately, she does not have the 2 or 3 GS more that her talent deserved.

Going back to the topic at hand, and not to take anything from Amelie, but up to this point, she's nowhere in Conchita's league. Conchita has nothing left to prove. Any good result at this point in her career is a testament to her inmense talent and heart. Amelie, on the other hand, has everything left to prove, she can play with the best right now, she can defeat anyone, can she do it at a GS? I hope so. Talent does not mean much if you have not the results to back it up.

bee
Jun 5th, 2003, 12:29 PM
It is unfair to compare both of them...
Conchita got nothing else to prove... she is a champion...

While Amelie "must" win the French Open soon...... :)
Amelie lost....and Conchita got nothing to do with it... :)
Conchita lost to kim.... so...what..
Nobody even expected her to reach the third round...

No point trashing Conchita... or Amelie...
It is just a game.... :)

rhz
Jun 5th, 2003, 01:41 PM
but we expect a high level tennis from mauresmo vs williams not from martinez vs clijsters.