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tennis911
Jun 2nd, 2003, 09:47 PM
Looking at players like Capriati, even if things weren't going well, she still stuck around and eventually she made history. Do you sometimes wonder if Sabatini or Huber for example didn't give up and had continued playing, maybe they would have won a slam? Do you think that they had potential and that they gave up too soon, or do you think it wouldn't have made a difference if they had continued? Also the same for Kimiko Date although I think in her case it wasn't because of the results because the final year she was playing her best tennis, I think she wanted to move on to other things. But with Sabatini and Huber, I feel that they got discouraged because of their lack of results, but like I said, look at Capriati, it's never too late!

rhz
Jun 2nd, 2003, 09:49 PM
sabatini won a slam , us open 1990

MLF
Jun 2nd, 2003, 09:51 PM
I think Sabatini should have achieved more in her career but she was ready to retire. She had made a lot of money and had been on the tour since the age of 15 so she was ready to stop. Gaby retired with a grand slam singles & doubles title as well as having won the year end champs a couple of times and reached #3 in the rankings and was normally competitive with the top players around her. Jenny took a few years out and came back to the game. Gaby never took a prolonged break.

As for Anke, I don't think she retired too early either. Her best results were behind her and I don't think she wanted to be "just a top 20 player" for a few years.

Helen Lawson
Jun 2nd, 2003, 09:53 PM
It always struck me that Gaby lost interest in tennis. She cannot "pull a Capriati" if she has lost interest. I think she hung around even after a few years, but I do not think it helped her.

I think Huber was another story. BJK was once commentating at Wimbledon and someone asked her if Huber was really "the next Steffi." Her response was quick, she squawked, "No way! She doesn't have the serve, she doesn't have the footwork, she doesn't have the groundstrokes. Basically, she doesn't have the talent." I think Huber had a great career, but her one and only shot at a Slam was that one final she made. I think she could have been Top 20 for a longer time if she hung around, but she is no Jenn.

rhz
Jun 2nd, 2003, 09:54 PM
yes, sabatini made the right decision to retire. anke too. but you should add kimiko date. she could have done more if only she would continue.

rhz
Jun 2nd, 2003, 09:56 PM
i agree with bjk, honestly huber wasn't good enough to win a slam. i am still surprised she got to that australian open final.

irma
Jun 2nd, 2003, 09:57 PM
I doubt sabatini had ever improved her serve. it became worse and worse at the end. don't wanna think what serena had done with it :o

anke huber had never won a slam. she couldn't beat the top players ( steffi,monica,martina even when she competive with the last. she could still not beat her in an official match except in 95 or so) and I doubt it would have been different with this generation

ToeTag
Jun 2nd, 2003, 10:11 PM
irma,I have to disagree with your opinion of Gaby's serve at the end of her career...if anything at the end of her career she had improved it. :)

irma
Jun 2nd, 2003, 10:13 PM
wasn't it in the match against asa carlsson where it didn't even reach the net anymore at some point?

Sonja
Jun 2nd, 2003, 10:18 PM
I agree with Helen, Gaby just lost interest so it was a wise choice to retire. I do wish she'd have won more than one slam but I do remember relishing the US Open win.

ToeTag
Jun 2nd, 2003, 10:27 PM
wasn't it in the match against asa carlsson where it didn't even reach the net anymore at some point?
LOL....umm...sorry but I didn't see that match,that could have happened though.You know I didn't mean that her serve had improved to the point where it would be confused with Serena's,just that it wasn't as dreadful as it had been.Put it this way if she had that serve at Wimbledon in 91 [serve at the end of har career]she would have won Wimbledon.

irma
Jun 2nd, 2003, 10:47 PM
I doubt that;)

fammmmedspin
Jun 2nd, 2003, 10:54 PM
Gaby who knows? Steffi was hers until Steffi reversed the situation in a pretty depressing way (W91 et seq) and then she had those losses including the MJF match at the FO which was pretty devastating. Doesn't help your willpower. Watching your serve in W91's final must have been depressing.
Anke was born at the wrong time, with the wrong serve and was sandwiched by great players. She was stuck behind Monica/Steffi and ASV, often injured, and then over run by Martina H, Lindsay and the Williams sisters. Monica was a nightmare, Steffi always won. Then Martina arrived with brain and the power players arrived to overpower Anke. Anke found herself either injured when the opposition was beatable or being beaten by Graf's successors when they had matured. I suppose she concluded it wsn't worth it to be in the top10 or 20 (Maggie?). She just wasn't getting the big scalps that players like Maggie, Sandrine or Patty get/got and she never quite had her day in the sun like Conchita, Jana, Iva and Mary (which might have seemed strange as she usually beat Conchita and early Mary). Don't know if a big win earlier in her career would have encouraged her to stay on longer and hope for another(Mary P?) - the end of year champs versus Graf where she outplayed Steffi for 2 sets/5 was probably the nearest she got to that.
Kimiko, though, went when she was competitive with the top players and she was one of the most dangerous of Graf's understudies. I can imagine Kimiko hunting in the GS of the mid- nineties if she had stayed on. She too might be a victim of fate - she had Steffi Graf at Wimbledon (95?) until night fell and the match resumed the next day. A GS win might have encouraged her or the publicity might have put her off the game even faster.

irma
Jun 2nd, 2003, 10:56 PM
steffi was leading a set and a break not sabatini.

it almost went like it went all year but thank goodness it quit at the most important moment :o

irma
Jun 2nd, 2003, 10:59 PM
steffi freaked out in tokio, had all chances in boca raton, lead 6:0 4:3 in key biscane, and apparently was leading clear in amelia island in both sets too

it was more steffi being a choking queen at that point then sabatini owning her :o (steffi even choked against novotna in between :eek: )

thank goodness she quit(with choking) at the right moment :o

irma
Jun 2nd, 2003, 11:17 PM
and sabatini won the next two matches with steffi having all chances again (like 6:3 5:3 ) so nothing changed till wimbledon 92!

banana
Jun 3rd, 2003, 12:33 AM
Ireally don't think that there are too many girlz in the world that could do what Jennifer has done, imean the girl went 2 years with out hitting a damn ball!Capriati was alwayz meant 2 b gr8, there is juss sumfin bout her , the othaz, i am not too sure bout!

King Lindsay
Jun 3rd, 2003, 12:34 AM
Huber was still a pretty good player at the end. In her last year, she did crack the top ten again, and she didn't finish far from it.

But no, neither player retired too early. They both made the decisions that were right for them, and that's how we should all leave it.

spencercarlos
Jun 3rd, 2003, 12:50 AM
irma,I have to disagree with your opinion of Gaby's serve at the end of her career...if anything at the end of her career she had improved it. :)
I agree Gaby improved her serve in 1994-1995 and even the start of 1996, then came the abdominal muscle injury that put her out 3 and a half months, when she came back it was horrible again in her last events...

joaco
Jun 3rd, 2003, 01:47 AM
Excuse me, but Gabriela achieved SO MANY THINGS in her carrer. Almost 30 titles, silver olympics medal, was the player who the most times Graf (11 times, 6 of them in finals), won twice the Champs Master. I mean, you're only looking at the negative side of her career.. I mean it was SO hard to achieve the things she did. It's really tough out there, and things just weren't mean to be.

Actually, Gaby was 1 match away from becoming N1. If she would have won that Wimbledon final against steffi in 91 she would have gotten that spot. But anyway... still amazing run getting to the final!!

Joaco

PD: No Argentinian women player had ever done that (and IMHO think will ever emule her)

Celeste
Jun 3rd, 2003, 01:51 AM
Sorry, but Tarabini is as good as Gaby. She rocks!

ToeTag
Jun 3rd, 2003, 04:57 AM
Sorry, but Tarabini is as good as Gaby. She rocks!
:eek: LMAO....thats a good one Celeste :rolleyes: ...and I'm the Pope!!

Gandalf
Jun 3rd, 2003, 08:39 AM
Gaby retired at the right time, if she wasn't motivated anymore there as no point in having more bad seasons...

Anke could have continued some years, but I doubt she would have won a Slam...she could have reurned to the top 10, but I don't think she would be satisfied by that. The same goes for Mary Joe Fernandez.

Date should have stayed a few years...she was finally blossoming in '96.

About players that should have retired EARLIER: if Arantxa had retired at the end of '00, she would have done it in the right note, and would have saved herself a lot of embarrasment in '01 and '01. The same can be said for Pierce: either she commits herself in getting into shape or she will be spoiling her stats.

bello
Jun 3rd, 2003, 10:45 AM
Sabatini's poor results in the last year were only because of injury problems, which were what ended her career, because before these, eg.the entire 1995, her game was improving alot and i do wonder if she could have picked up again if she tayed around at least for 1997-98 seasons... but dont get me started on this toipic.. :(

bello
Jun 3rd, 2003, 10:48 AM
Excuse me, but Gabriela achieved SO MANY THINGS in her carrer. Almost 30 titles, silver olympics medal, was the player who the most times Graf (11 times, 6 of them in finals), won twice the Champs Master. I mean, you're only looking at the negative side of her career.. I mean it was SO hard to achieve the things she did. It's really tough out there, and things just weren't mean to be.

Actually, Gaby was 1 match away from becoming N1. If she would have won that Wimbledon final against steffi in 91 she would have gotten that spot. But anyway... still amazing run getting to the final!!

Joaco

PD: No Argentinian women player had ever done that (and IMHO think will ever emule her)

thats right and she was also games away from no.1 in the semi against seles in 92 french...and seles also said years later that "Gaby had more talent (natural ability/talent) than anyone on tour"

Pureracket
Jun 3rd, 2003, 12:36 PM
I REALLY miss Gaby. I used to try to copy her backhand. I will never forget the matchpoint where she beat Graf in the finals of the US Open. I'm glad, her twin, Nicholas Lapentti is around so that I can get a glimpse of her from time to time.