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jbone_0307
Jun 1st, 2003, 06:56 PM
Venus is my favorite player, but she has to get seriously. I mean RG was her 5th tournament and she basically had no clay court preparation and that is not due to her abdominal strain because there were plenty of clay court tournament b4 that. her priority is her V Starr company and I totally agree with getting a business, but you can do that later and now you have tennis. But if she doesn't get her act together and work on her groundstrokes(especially forehand) and her 1st and 2nd serve, she can kiss Wimbledon, the U.S. Open and the #1 ranking goodbye. I thought the Miami loss to Shaughnessy would be a wakeup call for her to improve, prepare, and play more tournaments for the clay court season and Roland Garros, but she failed to and only played A tournament. Im starting to think shes not taking tennis as serious. Shes had an ok season, but not the best. She talks about wanting to beat Serena but cant beat Zvonereva, who hit like 15 winners the whole match.As for now i will root for Serena, she seems like the only enthusiastic person wanting to win every point and improve. GO SERENA :) :) :) :) :) :0

Couver
Jun 1st, 2003, 06:59 PM
While I agree Venus' drive may be in question. She was entered in Poland and the German open, but with the injury she had to pull out of the German open. Most of the top players only played 2 or 3 caly court tournaments.

Anyway I'll support Venus in whatever she does. Maybe she does not want to play tennis anymore, it is not our decison to make.

WF4EVER
Jun 1st, 2003, 08:18 PM
My husband asked me point-blank if I was glad Venus lost. After the match, I turned off the computer and screwed the idea of watching any more on TV. What do you think?

I adore Venus, and when she loses I'm never pleased, but it's a part of life, you know, it happens.

While Vee has had a tough time these past few weeks with no time to prepare following her abdominal strain, there is no mistaking it in my mind: Venus is just not as interested in tennis as she used to be. I'm surprised she got this far also, considering her physical ailment, but on the other hand her attitude is screaming at me, I wish... I wish... I wish....I was somewhere else but here.

Frankly tennis would not be the same for me without Venus to watch, but I think if she's not interested in it and she wants to run her company, stop this miserable existence and do what's gonna make her happy.

I don't care which she chooses and I don't agree with people who say "School will always be there but tennis won't" or "Running VStarr will always be there but tennis won't". The way I see it Venus will be here only once and therefore she should do whichever makes her happiest. Right now it's not tennis, and it's not losing that's Venus' problem, everybody loses. Its commitment, and right now she's greatly and sadly lacking in it.

With three weeks to go before Wimby, I'm hoping she'll take the time to think about what she really wants to do and to do it. If I don't see a different attitude at Wimby, then I will know that Venus has truly had it with tennis.

Lien
Jun 1st, 2003, 08:24 PM
I hope she really thinks about everything and work hard and build up her self-confidence. Venus is terrific on grass and there is absolutely nothing that I want to see more than Venus receiving that Wimbledon trophy.

Lien
Jun 1st, 2003, 08:24 PM
A remark about that last sentence, nothing that I want to see more when it is Wimbledon of course.

jbone_0307
Jun 2nd, 2003, 01:00 AM
Yeah I guess.

Cariaoke
Jun 2nd, 2003, 01:08 AM
I'm never happy when Venus loses. If you want to use the argument that this loss will wake Vee up, keep in mind that LOSING 5 STRAIGHT TIMES TO SERENA didn't wake her up... so why do you think a 4R loss to Zvonareva will?

I want Venus to be happy. She already has won slams. If she decides that decorating is her true and more permanent passion, that's her choice to make. Sure, it will break her fan's hearts but this is her life, not ours.

I feel that Venus has more slams in her... but her confidence is at an all-time low. She's going to have to start over, completely. That killer instinct was apparent in yesterday's match. She wanted to prove something yesterday. It made me flashback to the USO '01. Like Serena said in a magazine, last year: Venus will stab you and keep stabbing you until you die. Today, she stabbed and stabbed but it was her person that was left with the wounds. Her devastating tactics are gone and she's far too tentative on her defense, often netting the ball. She's playing it too safe and that is just not the Williams' way.

Whatever is going on, I trust that she will work it out and return to her slam-winning ways. If she does decide to throw the towel in the wash, I wish her the best in her personal life but I don't think she'll be doing laundry any time soon. She will win again.

kku
Jun 2nd, 2003, 01:14 AM
I'm never happy when Venus loses. If you want to use the argument that this loss will wake Vee up, keep in mind that LOSING 5 STRAIGHT TIMES TO SERENA didn't wake her up... so why do you think a 4R loss to Zvonareva will?

I want Venus to be happy. She already has won slams. If she decides that decorating is her true and more permanent passion, that's her choice to make. Sure, it will break her fan's hearts but this is her life, not ours.

I feel that Venus has more slams in her... but her confidence is at an all-time low. She's going to have to start over, completely. That killer instinct was apparent in yesterday's match. She wanted to prove something yesterday. It made me flashback to the USO '01. Like Serena said in a magazine, last year: Venus will stab you and keep stabbing you until you die. Today, she stabbed and stabbed but it was her person that was left with the wounds. Her devastating tactics are gone and she's far too tentative on her defense, often netting the ball. She's playing it too safe and that is just not the Williams' way.

Whatever is going on, I trust that she will work it out and return to her slam-winning ways. If she does decide to throw the towel in the wash, I wish her the best in her personal life but I don't think she'll be doing laundry any time soon. She will win again.

Hoo, basically what I wanted to say.

But losing early in a GS still isn't something easy to swallow. I don't want to rub it in (cause I love Venus), but with the lack of preparation (I still can't believe she missed IO), it really didn't surprise me much.

Anyway, RG is probably Venus' worst GS. She lost there in 1st round back in 2001 and 4th round back in 1999. Mark my words - Wimbledon WILL be where Venus is gonna kick some serious ass.

YOU GO GIRL!!!

Cariaoke
Jun 2nd, 2003, 01:19 AM
oh, no doubt this loss hurts because she didn't get very far but losing in the final is probably the worst along with losing in the 1st round.

I'm going to try and stay positive because when Venus lost at RG in the 1st round, she won the next two grand slams. She's a fighter... so I'm looking forward to Wimbledon and the USO which basically are owned by the Williams family. the dynasty started in '99 and it won't stop in '03. :)

CanadianBoy21
Jun 2nd, 2003, 01:30 AM
I agree everything what has been said in this thread. Venus lacks confidence. I remember 1998 to 2001 times... she always looked happy to be out on the court, and she swung at everything full swing. Now,her forehand looks like someone at the challengers, or worse, her second serves of a junior, her movement, though still quick, Venus when running these days looks tired. Her commintment to give it all on the court is definitely questionable. She is not hitting the ball the way she used to, her footwork is gone out of the windows basically, especially when compared to 2001 Us Open, she was always moving and at the right position.
I don't know, I love Venus,s he is the reason I started playing tennis, BUT, she has LOOONG ways to go, and it won't be at Wimby definitely. She will either take months off, like in 2000, and come back strong, or just simply retire. Whatever rocks her boat, I'll be happy for her. It is simply sad to see her play like she is currently, no effort at all to do the job the way she can. Venus should play more like Serena, with the same intensity, than she will be at the top, because no one can do it like Venus... but for now, GO SERENA :) Serena is simply amazing, she fights as hard as she can for every single point, I hope she kicks ass this tourny

crewman31
Jun 2nd, 2003, 01:35 AM
Venus is my favorite player, but she has to get seriously. I mean RG was her 5th tournament and she basically had no clay court preparation and that is not due to her abdominal strain because there were plenty of clay court tournament b4 that. her priority is her V Starr company and I totally agree with getting a business, but you can do that later and now you have tennis. But if she doesn't get her act together and work on her groundstrokes(especially forehand) and her 1st and 2nd serve, she can kiss Wimbledon, the U.S. Open and the #1 ranking goodbye. I thought the Miami loss to Shaughnessy would be a wakeup call for her to improve, prepare, and play more tournaments for the clay court season and Roland Garros, but she failed to and only played A tournament. Im starting to think shes not taking tennis as serious. Shes had an ok season, but not the best. She talks about wanting to beat Serena but cant beat Zvonereva, who hit like 15 winners the whole match.As for now i will root for Serena, she seems like the only enthusiastic person wanting to win every point and improve. GO SERENA :) :) :) :) :) :0
i think it a blessing she lost needs time to heal, mind and body

kku
Jun 2nd, 2003, 01:51 AM
oh, no doubt this loss hurts because she didn't get very far but losing in the final is probably the worst along with losing in the 1st round.

I'm going to try and stay positive because when Venus lost at RG in the 1st round, she won the next two grand slams. She's a fighter... so I'm looking forward to Wimbledon and the USO which basically are owned by the Williams family. the dynasty started in '99 and it won't stop in '03. :)

Back to what you said, "losing in the final is probably the worst" - I'd have to disagree. One, there's about 128 players in the singles draw. And to be the one of the only 2 left standing is extremely impressive. So I'd think that Venus was very happy to finish runner up last year ;)

I just think that maybe all the other interests (such as fashion school) are getting to Venus. Trust me, it's very hard to balance two interests at once. The WTA is so damn competitive and players need to work hard all the time to make sure they don't get left behind - I mean, compared to the amount of matches Kim and Justine played this year is A LOT more than Venus did this year and the hard work shows the results. But then again, Venus has shown us that being calm and collected is just as important as hard work, so I don't doubt Venus will find her momentum once again. It's just a matter of time :)

Cariaoke
Jun 2nd, 2003, 02:06 AM
I think it's kinda like the olympics, being a grand slam finalist... getting the silver medal is terrible because you were that close to gold... I equate it that way. but yeah to everything else in the thread, I strongly agree. :)

Burberry
Jun 2nd, 2003, 02:38 AM
I won't say I am happy that Venus lost..... In fact, I am extremely happy that Vera won!!!! ;) :p

Informative
Jun 2nd, 2003, 03:39 AM
I've seen some extreme cases of overreaction in my day but all the endless bluster about how Venus is on the verge of a complete mental/physical/emotional breakdown because she's lost a mere 9 out of her last 65 tennis matches during the past year or is (gasp!) contemplating retirement because of a general lack of committment, desire, or "enthusiasm" for tennis is frankly RIDICULOUS. As recently as ONE YEAR AGO a huge number of people on this board and throughout the tennis world were saying the exact same thing or worse ("choker" being the mildest epithet) about someone named SERENA WILLIAMS. These bizarre speculations by some people who say they "love" Venus act as though she or anyone else was capable of winning ALL THE TIME. In addition to an incredible 4 GS titles and 4 runnerup finalist results in the last 13 Grand Slam events Venus has won 105 out of her last 114 matches since losing in the first round in the French Open in 2001 and 5 of those losses have been to Serena. This means she has a phenomenal record of 105-9 against the rest of the WTA over the past 2 years! Kim, Justine, Jennifer, Lindsay, Daniela, Chanda, Monica, and Amelie COMBINED have only beaten Venus a mere 6 times TOTAL in the past 3 years and only Monica among this group has EVER beaten her in a Grand Slam event which she did ONCE !!! In other words, what do you people want from Venus? Do you actually really believe that Venus is not playing with intensity, desire, and heart with the kind of astounding record she has amassed against the top 10 players in the world? Did you know that Venus and Serena has lost the exact same total number of matches (22) over the past 3 years and that Venus actually has more wins overall and a better record against the top 10 players in the WTA since 2000 despite her losses to Serena (and that Venus's record against her sister--even with the recent losses over the past year--is still 5-6?). Anyone who says Venus Williams lacks will, intensity, or desire is a flatout LIAR or simply incapable of accepting verifiable, objective facts as they are, not as we wish them to be. So what. Venus hasn't won every match or GS title since the so-called "choker" and "excuse-maker" began to dominate over the past 12 months. As I recall all the naysayers, doubters, and haters were wrong about Serena and her future last year, and they are equally wrong about the future of Venus. Learn to relax and appreciate/support your faves EVEN WHEN THEY LOSE OR STRUGGLE WITH THEIR GAME. Venus's outstanding record speaks LOUDLY for itself on its own. Just because she's lost a few matches doesn't mean that the "end is near." That's a demonstrably idiotic assessment based on the given FACTS of the matter. Venus is still a GREAT player and will CONTINUE TO BE. If you can't or won't see something that obvious, then you haven't really been paying serious attention to her career or understanding her true value to the game of tennis. Those of us who say we "love' or "care about" Venus need to relax, cut the woman some slack, and reflect on her miraculous accomplishments thus far. Be patient and not so GREEDY. There are still more victories and triumphs to come. Venus needs and deserves our support not disdain. As her "fans" we owe her at least that much...

jbone_0307
Jun 2nd, 2003, 03:54 AM
You put results over the last 2 years. Were talking about this year, if you wanna list results than do it from this year. We want grand slam wins from Venus not 4th round or finalist, and party due because of her distractions. We know she capable and we arent overreacting and as fans we have the right to be worried when our player is not doing good.

persond
Jun 2nd, 2003, 03:58 AM
:cool: I was a fan of Venus Williams before she even won her first WTA tournament, and I shall remain loyal, even during these "dark and trying times" for Venus...!!! And, to all that feel that she is no longer "worthy", I say, woe be unto thee...!!!

My only concern is for what is "best" for Venus, and if losing early is "best", then, so be it...!!! I will forever support her in all her endeavors...!!! :hearts: :hearts: :worship: :worship: :hearts: :hearts:


Gooooooo VeeeeNUS...!!!