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DA FOREHAND
May 29th, 2003, 10:16 PM
Q. How do you play her? She's not quite as strong as you are, but she's pretty solid, moves well.
LINDSAY DAVENPORT: She is solid from both sides. I don't remember having ever played her before. I watched just a little bit of a couple games right now. But I think a very different style than the girl she was playing. You know, I think most important, when I've never played a girl, I have to concentrate more on my own game, and feel if I do it well, I should be successful. If I'm not, then I'm going to have to go to Game Plan B or Game Plan Two.



", Davenport didn't remember ever having played Dechy before. I found that a bit unlikely considering the time they have both spent on Tour. And they have met twice (one at the Australian Open) in the late 90's. Lindsay won both"


How arrogant can ya get. Not only does she not remember playing a player she has dispactched twice, she also had the gall to suggest that if she plays her game she will be successful!..

I'm glad Serena never said anything so blatantly arrogant :fiery:

Lindsayfan
May 29th, 2003, 10:22 PM
dechy was more arrogant saying that she can beat lindsay :rolleyes: neway a player isnt arrogant cos she doesnt remember her opponent...

DA FOREHAND
May 29th, 2003, 10:24 PM
Oh ok...only Serena is arrogant if she's never heard of her opponent..thanks I'll remember that.

croat123
May 29th, 2003, 10:25 PM
i don't think anyone can remember every match they played

Schalckske
May 29th, 2003, 10:26 PM
No one of the two is arrogant...

If Dechy doesn't believes in her chances, she might just go home and don't play...

croat123
May 29th, 2003, 10:26 PM
and lindsay didn't say that she never heard of dechy, she simply said that she didn't remember playing her

DA FOREHAND
May 29th, 2003, 10:30 PM
I know what she said that's why I posted the exact quote.

I'm just trying to figure out why there seems to be a double standard when it comes to Serena.

Crazy Canuck
May 29th, 2003, 10:32 PM
Don't you people have anything intelligent to debate about? This bickering back and forth about player interviews is brainless, at best. We're all hypocrites. Can't we just accept that and move on?

Nah... It's more fun to see everybody act like shitheads. Continue as you were :cool:

Crazy Canuck
May 29th, 2003, 10:33 PM
I know what she said that's why I posted the exact quote.

I'm just trying to figure out why there seems to be a double standard when it comes to Serena.
And I'm trying to figure out why this is the main topic for concern on a tennis message board, what with 12312 matches going on tomorrow. I'm also baffled why it surprises so many of you that people hold double standards are hypocracy over a number of things. I would have think this is something you would have picked up in grade school, like I did.

DA FOREHAND
May 29th, 2003, 10:33 PM
thanks for your blessing becca. YOU're the fart beneath our wings.

Crazy Canuck
May 29th, 2003, 10:36 PM
thanks for your blessing becca. YOU're the fart beneath our wings.
Thanks for continuing to demonstrate your (lack of) intelligence. Not that your insistence on questioning such simple matters didn't spell it out nice and clear.

DA FOREHAND
May 29th, 2003, 10:45 PM
LOL....let's see what have you contributed to this thread?

If you want intelligent debate why don't you start a thread, and avoid those you have no interest in.

I'm not at all surprised by the hypocrisy, or double standards. I started this thread to give the whiners another chance to show thier true colors. If that upsets you, that's something you'll have to work out on your own.

QUEENLINDSAY
May 29th, 2003, 10:47 PM
Good Post Rebecca!!!!!
I actually tempted to reply to this idiot, But you already did say what i wanna say.

SJW
May 29th, 2003, 10:48 PM
LOL@DF!!!

i get what u are trying to do!!!!

1) note the number of replies ;)
2) "Linzi isnt arrogant" ROTFFFF

the hypocrisy of this world makes me laugh.....it really does :D

Iconoclast
May 29th, 2003, 11:18 PM
How did my (unattributed) words, which were posted elsewhere, end up in this thread? Not sure if you are responding to them, or just using them as factual backdrop for your quite impressive analogy, "Da Forehand"?

leslie
May 29th, 2003, 11:24 PM
Oh yea, here we go with the double standards again. Yesterday they dogged Serena about not knowing her opponent and today when Davenport said the same thing it is different. You haters never cease to amaze me. Then you wonder why the W/S fans retaliate over these double standards.

BigB08822
May 29th, 2003, 11:36 PM
They have only played twice and Lindsay has played hundreds of matches. I don't blame her at all for not remembering. I am sure as soon as Lindsay gets on the court, she'll remember playing her before.

WtaTour4Ever
May 29th, 2003, 11:41 PM
She is arrogant!!! She thinks she's the fu*king Lindsay Davenport!! :-)

Thats why I never liked her!!!

LOL

harloo
May 29th, 2003, 11:57 PM
LOL@Da forehand. All he/she is trying to do is prove a point, nothing bad about Lindsay. It's funny because the thread created about Serena not knowing Mikean got all types of she is so arrogant. and she is so disrespectful type of responses, however when Lindsay says she does not remember ever playing Dechy before who is a top 20 player then they all hide. LOL!!

You people need to stop it with the double standards. It's not that serious people. Lindsay did not remember playing her at all, and Serena never heard of Mikean. So what! Big Deal!!! Who cares.

LOL!!!

GermanBoy
May 30th, 2003, 12:01 AM
DA Forehand, it is easy to look through your thoughts! :rolleyes:
You thought accusing Lindsay of being arrogant because she couldn`t remember having ever played against Dechy is a sweet revenge to all the people who complained about Serena because she said she didn`t know Mikaelian. Wow, how obvious! Now you got us! :rolleyes:

It is a difference between Lindsay and Serena! Lindsay is just back from her marriage and is in love. She has other things in mind. :hearts:
Serena is just arrogant! She wanted to be cool but she was not. It`s typical for Serena to act like that. "I am the No. 1 and my opponents are not important" - as long as Serena knows who she is and how she plays everything is all right! :o :rolleyes:

Hulet
May 30th, 2003, 12:08 AM
Well, this really is obvious, Lindsay has always been an arrogant bi*ch.

stephano hair
May 30th, 2003, 12:13 AM
once again.... another post 2 insult a player by a williams fan, just coz that player happens 2 be a threat to the williams sister's game....

harloo
May 30th, 2003, 12:15 AM
once again.... another post 2 insult a player by a williams fan, just coz that player happens 2 be a threat to the williams sister's game....

lol!!! I guess you did not read the entire thread. :rolleyes:

decemberlove
May 30th, 2003, 12:18 AM
Don't you people have anything intelligent to debate about? This bickering back and forth about player interviews is brainless, at best. We're all hypocrites. Can't we just accept that and move on?

Nah... It's more fun to see everybody act like shitheads. Continue as you were :cool:

nice to see someone with a head on their shoulders.

some of you need to step outside for a while, let the sunrays caress your face, breathe in a bit of reality.

switz
May 30th, 2003, 01:47 AM
here is the difference. lindsay did not remember a specific match, but she clearly displayed that she knew exactly how dechy played (ie strong off both wings). serena demonstrated from her comments that she neither knew how mikaelian played or that she even cared enough to ask anyone how she played considering that she make her assessment of a player from a warm-up.

i don't think serena comment was that bad, because i know she just concentrates on her game and believes that if she does everything well she will win. but you guys always start threads using these lame-arse comparisons, and for me it just means that you are dignify your detractors comments, because you aren't exposing anything mind-blowing to anyone.

WtaTour4Ever
May 30th, 2003, 01:50 AM
switch, you can't compare the two b/c serena never played mikaelian?

-Sonic-
May 30th, 2003, 02:09 AM
I'm surprised at both Serena and Lindsay.

Dechy is a v good player who's been in the top 50 for years... very surprised Linds doesn't remember at least one of the matches they've played. You would think Dechy would be around the top events a lot, just like linds, and seeing her face around would act as a retrieval cue in her head (i.e. i know this girl as i have played against her). Mental.

Serena should have at least heard of MGM. If they haven't played each other, fair enough that she doesn't know shitloads about her, but she should be aware of her existence in the world - ever looked at a ranking list or the fellow people in a tournament draw Serena?

-Sonic-
May 30th, 2003, 02:10 AM
Also, Linds watched some of Dechy's match. Bloody amazing how she has this amnesia about being on the same court as her.

joaco
May 30th, 2003, 02:31 AM
well BIG DEAL, I mean Lindsay couldn't remember playing her... how is THAT arrogant? This is a stupid thread, she just did not remember... it was like 4 years ago the last time they played!

:rolleyes:

kyk710
May 30th, 2003, 02:44 AM
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switz
May 30th, 2003, 03:40 AM
switch, you can't compare the two b/c serena never played mikaelian?

was that a question or a statement?

WtaTour4Ever
May 30th, 2003, 03:43 AM
lol I've been doing that alot today?

Don't mistake my comment I think this thread is as outlandish as the other, but I was commenting that the situations were different imo?

*these are statements :-)

switz
May 30th, 2003, 03:48 AM
they are totally different. that is the problem with all these "look how hypocritcal everyone is" threads. they use examples which don't prove anything because they are taken out of contexts and moulded to fit whatever point the thread starter is trying to make.

DA FOREHAND
May 30th, 2003, 03:46 PM
LOL I see all the haters came out to bash me. They obviously took it a lot more seriously than I. This thread was started to point out hypocrisy, and by responding the whiners exposed themselves.

I like Lindsay, if Venus, doesn't win the French I'd want her to win, or Jenn.

I don't care if Lindsay's never heard of that girl who's now pretending to be Jelena Dokic. It's not important.

All the "top" players will tell you that if they concentrate on their games and execute they have a good chance of beating anyone, known or unknown.

King Lindsay
May 30th, 2003, 05:07 PM
how is what Lindsay said the same as what Serena said?

Beat
May 30th, 2003, 05:21 PM
here is the difference. lindsay did not remember a specific match, but she clearly displayed that she knew exactly how dechy played (ie strong off both wings). serena demonstrated from her comments that she neither knew how mikaelian played or that she even cared enough to ask anyone how she played considering that she make her assessment of a player from a warm-up.

i don't think serena comment was that bad, because i know she just concentrates on her game and believes that if she does everything well she will win. but you guys always start threads using these lame-arse comparisons, and for me it just means that you are dignify your detractors comments, because you aren't exposing anything mind-blowing to anyone.

brilliant post. not knowing a player is NOT THE SAME THING as not remembering a match. is that so hard to understand?

Dawn Marie
May 30th, 2003, 05:26 PM
DA FORHAND. GOOD THREAD.

Serena is labled arrogant for not knowing who MGM is. Yet people are singin a different tune when Lindsay doesn't remember playing Dechy.

Haters make their own assumptions of what Serea should know to only hate on her.

I THINK IT ARROGANT AND SO RUDE THAT LINDSAY DIDN't REMEBER PLAYING NATHALIE! ALL PLAYERS SHOULD KNOW WHO THEY PLAYED IN THEIR CAREER! Or they are not real tennis players!

Needless to say I am SHOCKED AND HORRIFIED AT LINDSAY DAVENPORT!

King Lindsay
May 30th, 2003, 05:31 PM
DA FORHAND. GOOD THREAD.

Serena is labled arrogant for not knowing who MGM is. Yet people are singin a different tune when Lindsay doesn't remember playing Dechy.

Haters make their own assumptions of what Serea should know to only hate on her.

I THINK IT ARROGANT AND SO RUDE THAT LINDSAY DIDN't REMEBER PLAYING NATHALIE! ALL PLAYERS SHOULD KNOW WHO THEY PLAYED IN THEIR CAREER! Or they are not real tennis players!

Needless to say I am SHOCKED AND HORRIFIED AT LINDSAY DAVENPORT!

Doesn't surprise me that you don't see the differences in the two statements.

DA FOREHAND
May 30th, 2003, 05:32 PM
"brilliant post. not knowing a player is NOT THE SAME THING as not remembering a match. is that so hard to understand?"

First off it wasn't a match but two matches against a top 20 player.

I don't see a harm in either Serena, or Lindsay's comments, but it's funny to see the same people who slammed Serena are mute on Lindsay's lapse.

Chance
May 30th, 2003, 05:33 PM
thanks for your blessing becca. YOU're the fart beneath our wings.


LMAO
:D

I don't find a problem with either Serena's or Lindsay's quotes.. but there is always someone that gets uptight over the slightest thing

DA FOREHAND
May 30th, 2003, 05:35 PM
I agree sunset..

leslie
May 30th, 2003, 05:37 PM
LOL I see all the haters came out to bash me. They obviously took it a lot more seriously than I. This thread was started to point out hypocrisy, and by responding the whiners exposed themselves.

I like Lindsay, if Venus, doesn't win the French I'd want her to win, or Jenn.

I don't care if Lindsay's never heard of that girl who's now pretending to be Jelena Dokic. It's not important.

All the "top" players will tell you that if they concentrate on their games and execute they have a good chance of beating anyone, known or unknown.

I feel the same way if Venus or Serena does not win I want Jen, or Lindsay to win.

King Lindsay
May 30th, 2003, 05:38 PM
"brilliant post. not knowing a player is NOT THE SAME THING as not remembering a match. is that so hard to understand?"

First off it wasn't a match but two matches against a top 20 player.

I don't see a harm in either Serena, or Lindsay's comments, but it's funny to see the same people who slammed Serena are mute on Lindsay's lapse.

Yeah, they are because it is DIFFERENT. How can you not see the difference between their comments?

DA FOREHAND
May 30th, 2003, 05:45 PM
A better question is why do the whineres think it's a travesty that Serena doesn't know what's her name who is ranked(??). Has she ever beaten a top player? Made a good run in a slam? Cracked the top twenty? NO? Did she win everything as a Jr? The Orange Bowl? Make out with Enrique in a video?

Beat
May 30th, 2003, 05:54 PM
Q. Last time you played Sugiyama, can you remember much about that game?
SERENA WILLIAMS: No.
Q. Sorry?
SERENA WILLIAMS: No, I don't remember it at all actually. I play her a lot in doubles, so I know her game, but I don't quite remember anything.

Gonzo Hates Me!
May 30th, 2003, 06:01 PM
Da Forehand, there are two kinds of people who entered that thread about Serena not having ever heard of Mikaelian. There are the people who probably didn't give a shit, but knew it was a perfect opportunity to talk trash about Serena. And then there were those who were simply surprised by it. Your job is to differentiate those people, and understand that OF COURSE the former of the two are not gonna suddenly come in this thread and be like, "Wow, Lindsay said that?! She's arrogant, blah blah blah." THEY DON'T LIKE SERENA AND YOU CAN'T CHANGE THAT, and you have to get over it, because you're wasting your time. You're not accomplishing anything by making this thread because, one, you don't even care about the statement yourself, and two, the two subjects really are two different things. I am not bitching at you, I am just saying, it's hard to change people's minds--very very very hard, and that's what you're trying to do with this thread, and it's just not going to happen.

DA FOREHAND
May 30th, 2003, 06:12 PM
trust me i"m not hear to change anyone's mind, or make friends, but I do like poking fun at hypocrites.

King Lindsay
May 30th, 2003, 06:39 PM
trust me i"m not hear to change anyone's mind, or make friends, but I do like poking fun at hypocrites.

but it's not hypocritical since it's two different things you're comparing.

Hulet
May 30th, 2003, 06:44 PM
I agree with K.L. but that doesn't change the fact Lindsay==an arrogant bi*ch.

Astro Jetson
May 30th, 2003, 06:45 PM
In her interview on Eurosport yesterday, Nathalie talked about Justine's match against Lindsay at the Ausopen this year. I found that rather strange. Then again Nathalie and Justine are close friends, so maybe she takes that match as an example for tomorrow.

Dawn Marie
May 30th, 2003, 09:09 PM
DAFORHAND u are so damn funny!

Rollin on the floor and lmao!

Rocketta
May 30th, 2003, 09:51 PM
So now I understand.......

You can forget playing someone and its all right as long as you remember her name, that's fine. So I can think you are so forgettable that I can play you twice and not remember because I play a lot of people but if I've never heard of you and never played you I'm arrogant? It doesn't matter that I might've heard of you and forgot it or just never heard of her. Its just arrogant.

Yeah I think I got it now. :( :( :(

King Lindsay you are smart enough to make analogies and see the similarities in the two situations. Are they the exact situation? No That would be Deja Vu. Are there similarities, Yes. Are you saying there are no similarities in these two situations?

ayanate
May 31st, 2003, 12:45 AM
Da Forehand has exposed the haters again, good job.

LUXXXAS
May 31st, 2003, 12:50 AM
1 round Australian Open. Jan 26 1997 L Davenport(7) - N Dechy 4-6 6-1 6-1
2 New Haven Aug 29 1999 L Davenport(1) - N Dechy 6-4 6-2

nothing to remember..................

ayanate
May 31st, 2003, 01:04 AM
Da Forehand, there are two kinds of people who entered that thread about Serena not having ever heard of Mikaelian. There are the people who probably didn't give a shit, but knew it was a perfect opportunity to talk trash about Serena. And then there were those who were simply surprised by it. Your job is to differentiate those people, and understand that OF COURSE the former of the two are not gonna suddenly come in this thread and be like, "Wow, Lindsay said that?! She's arrogant, blah blah blah." THEY DON'T LIKE SERENA AND YOU CAN'T CHANGE THAT, and you have to get over it, because you're wasting your time. You're not accomplishing anything by making this thread because, one, you don't even care about the statement yourself, and two, the two subjects really are two different things. I am not bitching at you, I am just saying, it's hard to change people's minds--very very very hard, and that's what you're trying to do with this thread, and it's just not going to happen.


I do not agree with your comment, I think posters like Da Forehand force people to examine their consciences and ask why they find it so easy to be critical of them Williams girls and not others. This board has come a long way from the race wars because of acts like this. I think posters would be more careful before they bash Serena next time especially if it is proven to be a trait common to other players as has been shown here.

If newspaper journalists could be exposed in this way in realtime with the vicious slants that they employ in their reports, the world would be a better place for sure.

Julian
May 31st, 2003, 01:59 AM
1 round Australian Open. Jan 26 1997 L Davenport(7) - N Dechy 4-6 6-1 6-1
2 New Haven Aug 29 1999 L Davenport(1) - N Dechy 6-4 6-2

nothing to remember..................

Their last match was only 3 and a half years ago! And besides it must be easy to remember Nathalie considering she's the only player on the tour whose last name is Dechy. :rolleyes:

But anyway maybe Lindsay had a "brainfart" and wasn't really trying to remember at the time! :D

Dawn Marie
May 31st, 2003, 06:20 AM
Well stated ayanate.

DAFORHAND kudos for exposing the haters and hypocrites.:)

Mateo Mathieu
May 31st, 2003, 06:22 AM
i don't think anyone can remember every match they played
Excatly!

Rocketta
May 31st, 2003, 02:25 PM
i don't think anyone can remember every match they played

I don't either but I also don't believe a player can know the name of every player that is on the circut as well.

King Lindsay
May 31st, 2003, 02:47 PM
Are you saying there are no similarities in these two situations?

Yes, that is precisely what I'm saying.

King Lindsay
May 31st, 2003, 02:49 PM
Their last match was only 3 and a half years ago! And besides it must be easy to remember Nathalie considering she's the only player on the tour whose last name is Dechy. :rolleyes:

But anyway maybe Lindsay had a "brainfart" and wasn't really trying to remember at the time! :D

3 and a half years is a long time.

And it's easy to remember dechy since she's a top 40 player. like MGM. ;)

King Lindsay
May 31st, 2003, 02:50 PM
I don't either but I also don't believe a player can know the name of every player that is on the circut as well.

i agree. But again, the MGM thing was strange since Marie is a top 40 player, not a fringe player.

I just felt it was surprising Serena had never heard of her before. I don't think it's a good or bad thing. But it is SURPRISING.

King Lindsay
May 31st, 2003, 02:52 PM
Da Forehand has exposed the haters again, good job.

da forehand has exposed his inability to understand what hypocrisy is. Nothing more.

Rocketta
May 31st, 2003, 02:57 PM
Yes, that is precisely what I'm saying.

opps, here are the minimal similarities

1. It involves two tennis players

2. it involves one player not knowing a fact about another player

3. It involves fans putting a value judgement on that one player who can't remember or didn't know because said fans feels that is wrong by player one.

Now do you see the similarities? You know you want to play with semantics but if you stop trying to look at the minute specifics and look at it in general there were a lot of similarities in the situations. Enough to make analogies between the reaction of the fans at least.

King Lindsay
May 31st, 2003, 03:13 PM
opps, here are the minimal similarities

1. It involves two tennis players

2. it involves one player not knowing a fact about another player

3. It involves fans putting a value judgement on that one player who can't remember or didn't know because said fans feels that is wrong by player one.

Now do you see the similarities? You know you want to play with semantics but if you stop trying to look at the minute specifics and look at it in general there were a lot of similarities in the situations. Enough to make analogies between the reaction of the fans at least.

I'm looking at minute specifics?

Serena had never heard of a top 40 player. Lindsay could not remember having played a top 40 player. The former was a strange comment because you would think the top 40, 50 ladies would have all heard of one another even just in passing. The second was not a strange comment since lindsay and dechy hadn't played for years and also because it's common for a player not to recall playing somebody they in fact had.

Serena's comment was interpreted by some as arrogance. Whether it is or not is up to the individual. Now the point of this thread is to show that the same people are hypocrites because they aren't lambasting Lindsay for being arrogant for her comment. The problem is THEY SAID COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THINGS AND THERE IS NOTHING SIMILAR ABOUT WHAT THEY SAID. you can't compare the reactions of the fans to two completely different things and then accuse people of hypocrisy for not reacting the same way!

So no, nothing is similar about this, beyond your incredibly basic observations.

Bright Red
May 31st, 2003, 03:17 PM
Anyone who'd attack a player for not remembering another player or playing another player is not worth arguing with. You'll get nowhere.

Another thing is that most of those who attacked Serena for not remembering are probably NOT the same posters who are defending Lindsay.

Rocketta
May 31st, 2003, 03:26 PM
I'm looking at minute specifics?

Serena had never heard of a top 40 player. Lindsay could not remember having played a top 40 player. The former was a strange comment because you would think the top 40, 50 ladies would have all heard of one another even just in passing. The second was not a strange comment since lindsay and dechy hadn't played for years and also because it's common for a player not to recall playing somebody they in fact had.

Serena's comment was interpreted by some as arrogance. Whether it is or not is up to the individual. Now the point of this thread is to show that the same people are hypocrites because they aren't lambasting Lindsay for being arrogant for her comment. The problem is THEY SAID COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THINGS AND THERE IS NOTHING SIMILAR ABOUT WHAT THEY SAID. you can't compare the reactions of the fans to two completely different things and then accuse people of hypocrisy for not reacting the same way!

So no, nothing is similar about this.

Actually, the only reason you don't think its similar is because you think its understandable that Lindsay would not remember a match but not understandable for Serena to know the name of a top 40. That right there I don't get. Is it more plausible for someone not to remember a match they have played then for someone not to know someone who they have never played? Its not like the girls outside of the top 30 change from time to time oh wait they do. Its not like MM has been on tv ooodles of times. Its not like Serena has shown that she even looks at the draws in total so if she's not playing someone or her sister is not playing someone then she wouldn't even see their names.

My point about them being similar is that Lindsay couldn't remember Dechy. Serena couldn't remember MM. She said she never heard of her but if she forgot she's seen her name before then isn't that what you would say? We don't know if Serena actually just forgot that she's heard of MM or if she actually never heard of MM, do we? So if Serena "forgot" are they the same then?

either way Da Forehand's attempt was not down Lindsay because frankly no one cares if she remembered her match with Dechy or not but to compare the reactions to two similar (which look up the word it means with "general" likeness) situations are hipocrital. To you it could only be hipocritical if the situations were "exactly" the same.

Oh and my definition is a pretense of virtue, piety, etc. which I think has been proven.

We do not agree on this in the least.

Rocketta
May 31st, 2003, 03:30 PM
Another thing is that most of those who attacked Serena for not remembering are probably NOT the same posters who are defending Lindsay.

No they are not the same posters that's the point. The point was to show that the people who were calling Serena arrogant would not come in her and say the same about Lindsay because their "supposed" outrage was not about Serena not knowing who MM was its just based on their Hateration, period. Hense if it was really about Serena not knowing MM, then some of the same people would've been in here spouting how they couldn't believe Lindsay couldn't remember, blah blah blah. Unfortunately, some Lindsay fans felt da Forehand really had a problem with Lindsay not remembering her matches with Dechy, which I don't think he/her does.

King Lindsay
May 31st, 2003, 04:18 PM
Actually, the only reason you don't think its similar is because you think its understandable that Lindsay would not remember a match but not understandable for Serena to know the name of a top 40. That right there I don't get. Is it more plausible for someone not to remember a match they have played then for someone not to know someone who they have never played? Its not like the girls outside of the top 30 change from time to time oh wait they do. Its not like MM has been on tv ooodles of times. Its not like Serena has shown that she even looks at the draws in total so if she's not playing someone or her sister is not playing someone then she wouldn't even see their names.

My point about them being similar is that Lindsay couldn't remember Dechy. Serena couldn't remember MM. She said she never heard of her but if she forgot she's seen her name before then isn't that what you would say? We don't know if Serena actually just forgot that she's heard of MM or if she actually never heard of MM, do we? So if Serena "forgot" are they the same then?

either way Da Forehand's attempt was not down Lindsay because frankly no one cares if she remembered her match with Dechy or not but to compare the reactions to two similar (which look up the word it means with "general" likeness) situations are hipocrital. To you it could only be hipocritical if the situations were "exactly" the same.

Oh and my definition is a pretense of virtue, piety, etc. which I think has been proven.

We do not agree on this in the least.

at least you're right about the last sentence.

look, rocketta, you summed up what i thought in your first paragraph. I find it strange that Serena doesn't know a fellow top 40 player, i don't find it strange Lindsay can't remember two matches she played in upwards of 3 years ago. I've already gone into why I think that is. maybe you think the opposite. Maybe you think both are strange, maybe you think neither. Either way, that's up to you, and I don't think we are going to agree on that.

My point about them not being similar is that Lindsay COULD remember dechy, just couldn't remember facing her in competition. Serena said she had never heard of MGM, not that she couldn't remember playing her in the past. does that not strike you as a difference in the two statements? and while we don't know what's going on in Serena's head, we can go by what she said, and that's that she never heard of MGM, not that she doesn't remember her. and no, even if she had said the latter, it wouldn't be the same.

i know what Da Forehand was attempting and I know what "similar" means. I also know that his attempt was misguided because the two statements do not display a "general likeness". therefore, no hypocrisy has been shown by anybody on the handling of these two issues.

King Lindsay
May 31st, 2003, 04:19 PM
No they are not the same posters that's the point. The point was to show that the people who were calling Serena arrogant would not come in her and say the same about Lindsay because their "supposed" outrage was not about Serena not knowing who MM was its just based on their Hateration, period. Hense if it was really about Serena not knowing MM, then some of the same people would've been in here spouting how they couldn't believe Lindsay couldn't remember, blah blah blah. Unfortunately, some Lindsay fans felt da Forehand really had a problem with Lindsay not remembering her matches with Dechy, which I don't think he/her does.

I think people have a problem with da Forehand's pointless, ill-conceived comparison, not with whatever he said about Lindsay.

Bright Red
Jun 1st, 2003, 01:02 AM
No they are not the same posters that's the point. The point was to show that the people who were calling Serena arrogant would not come in her and say the same about Lindsay because their "supposed" outrage was not about Serena not knowing who MM was its just based on their Hateration, period. Hense if it was really about Serena not knowing MM, then some of the same people would've been in here spouting how they couldn't believe Lindsay couldn't remember, blah blah blah. Unfortunately, some Lindsay fans felt da Forehand really had a problem with Lindsay not remembering her matches with Dechy, which I don't think he/her does.
Agreed and good point. And that's exactly why I said that they aren't worth arguing with because it's obvious that their criticisms are based on hate of Serena pure and simple. So basically the thread succeeds in providing yet another illustration of the depth of hatred many have for Serena. The unfortunate byproduct is that it invariably draws some of Lindsay's blameless fans into conflict.

-Sonic-
Jun 1st, 2003, 02:48 AM
Anyone who'd attack a player for not remembering another player or playing another player is not worth arguing with. You'll get nowhere

"attacking"... so dramatised. most people saying that they find it strange, or that they don't at all. no-one's calling anyone a complete retard or saying either linds or serena needs some remedial memory classes or something.

would be extremely funny tho if say i dunno, Rita Grande or Cara Black or someone semi well known said they had no idea who Lindsay or Justine was or something.... lol. "yeah just gotta focus on my game and try to beat whoever this random woman is" lol... - and, if someone doesn't think that would be strange, whatever!

Rocketta
Jun 1st, 2003, 03:41 AM
"attacking"... so dramatised. most people saying that they find it strange, or that they don't at all. no-one's calling anyone a complete retard or saying either linds or serena needs some remedial memory classes or something.

would be extremely funny tho if say i dunno, Rita Grande or Cara Black or someone semi well known said they had no idea who Lindsay or Justine was or something.... lol. "yeah just gotta focus on my game and try to beat whoever this random woman is" lol... - and, if someone doesn't think that would be strange, whatever!

well the thread talking about Serena has been deleted I believe so we can't go back to it but people were doing a lot more than just saying it was "strange". Granted that is what the thread starter said but not everyone that was critisizing Serena. There was a group that went into that standard how arrogant, blah blah blah. Those are who this thread is about not the ones who said wow that's strange.

DA FOREHAND
Jun 1st, 2003, 04:45 AM
I don't feel sorry for them they're rich i'm not...doesn't mean thier fans won't defend them on these or any other msg. boards, not to mention point out those double standards.

I say if you don't like them because they're black, and have been raised to do things their way, then say that, don't accuse them of things you're mute on when others do the same or similar things.

They were raised by two parents who understood that when they entered the world of tennis they would be subjected to all of these things, and more ie I.Wells, and they have shown great dexterity in dealing w/them. How many other 19yr olds would have been able to not only beat a top player, but also a lynch mob of a crowd booing your every move. My hats off to Richard and Oracene

bis2806
Jun 1st, 2003, 05:24 AM
:o Da forehand, get a life and stop bitching about Lindsay... Lindsay's arrogant??? sure, every top player is definitely arrogant but Lindsay's arrogant in a good way, ie. because of what she's accomplished and that she's the top player so you can't afford to lose confidence duh.... and plus when did you ever hear lindsay saying that ohhh this player is so crap and i'm going to win this tourney bla bla bla.... serena has said that before, obviously... i mean lindsay, even when she was no.1, i don't even remember her saying such things that she would beat so and so players... so what i am saying is that first of all, lindsay isn't arrogant or bitchy just coz she DOESN'T REMEMBER playing dechy.. plus, like everyone else said, even a top player obviously cannot remember playing every other player in the top 50 or so.... so shut your mouth and stop being a jackass or bitch if you're a female;)

DA FOREHAND
Jun 1st, 2003, 07:02 AM
first off bis, I never said Lindsay was arrogant, get some comprehension skills before you start poppin ya trap. I like Lindsay, and I hope that if Venus or Serena don't win the tourney she does.

All players in the top players are arrogant. So fukin what? It's part of what makes them top players.

"and plus when did you ever hear lindsay saying that ohhh this player is so crap and i'm going to win this tourney bla bla bla.... serena has said that before"

Give me one example where Serena said anything like this. And if you comeback w/out that example you had better have a note from your mommy as to why bis couldn't complete he/she it's assignment.

cooky....no comment you made no point, and only went on to do that which you say you deplore in others.

NEXT!

bis2806
Jun 1st, 2003, 07:07 AM
duh i did make my point that every top player is arrogant :rolleyes: which one wouldn't be :confused: did i even say i had a problem with that?