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Fedcup
May 29th, 2003, 08:55 AM
This I finded today on the official site of the french open

Serena was more forthcoming in assessing her rivalry with Henin, where she owns a 4-2 edge.

"She played very well the last time we played," Serena said. But you had to see the way I played. It was pretty frightening. I couldn't get a ball in. It's very hard to play matches when you're missing 99 per cent of your shots."



C'mon Serena you're weren't missing 99 per cent of the balls. You took a lead in the first and in in the beginning of the second set. Than henin started to mixed it up and made life difficult to you.

I'm still waiting for the day you once will say "My opponent was simply better than me today,no excuse"

If you can say these words than you get a place in my heart. But till now you're a sore loser. Always those exuses.
There's a reason you couldn't hit the balls in. Maybe all your opponents who lose to you can say the same "you had to see me etc..."



Sorry to all Serena fans for this negative thread. But I'm very dissapointed in the way Serena reacts off-court

fifiricci
May 29th, 2003, 09:00 AM
Very well said, Fedcup. You have summed up exactly what most people's problem is with Serena.

fleemke³
May 29th, 2003, 09:01 AM
Well as a Justine-fan I must admid that Rena wasn't on her ultimate best that day but many errors were caused by Justine's play.

I don't care what Serena says :) because she only does it to "scare" other players .. and it won't work with Justine :D
It's just a mental 'war' she's playing,e don't bother about it because the time that Justin lost her game before the match was played (off court) is over :)

Let's fight on the courts Justine and beat her :)

best best better
May 29th, 2003, 09:05 AM
I agree with fleemke: As a Justine fan, Serena was surprisingly poor in Charleston. Serena can say what she likes, but if she does end up meeting Justine at this tournament you can bet your bottom dollar that she will be aware of the potential damage that Justine can do (should be a great match actually with the courts playing this slow allowing both players to slug it out). And she won't be taking Justine's threat lightly at all.

Foot_Fault
May 29th, 2003, 09:05 AM
It is not at all that serious. Thats like someone saying.....It's Hot as "Hell" outside or I'm as hungry as an Elephant.

Serena knows she didn't miss 99% of her balls she used an exaggeration to show that according to how she usually plays she missed alot.

Give her a break peeps. She stated Henin played VERY well.

just my 2 cents. Nothing to fight over, just another way of looking at her statement.

per4ever
May 29th, 2003, 09:06 AM
if she would have missed 99% of her shots it would have been 6-0 6-0 ;)

WtaTour4Ever
May 29th, 2003, 09:08 AM
As a WS fan I can say that imo Serena does exaggerate with the I couldn't hit ANY/99% of the balls line!! And I think that Henin/Mauresmo have the best chance to throw her off, b/c that is not the rythem that she is used to playing.


However,
I believe it was Mary Carillo that stated that Serena is pretty much correct, if she is on, it doesn't matter what is on the other side. Even Fernandez will admit to that, to some extent.

I can understand that you would be frustrated b/c you feel your player is not getting her due ...TRUST me as a WS FAN....I can understand that. But really, haven't we had enough bash Serena b/c she said or didn't say, kissed or didn't kiss, knows or doesn't know something/someone threads. Or is this an issue that is going to come up everytime. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, and like assholes...we all have one :-) But really......

Foot_Fault
May 29th, 2003, 09:12 AM
well said WTA....

per4ever
May 29th, 2003, 09:12 AM
WTATour4Ever...as a big Justine fan, I'm the first to admit that when Serena is on, she's hard to stop.

But I believe that Justine can hang in there when Serena is on..she can mix it up and start to frustrate Serena, who wants to finish points asap. That's where she will get out of her best game and start making errors. Serena is impatient on court, and if players like Justine, Kim or Amélie can hang in there and bring back lots of balls..Serena will start making those errors

Foot_Fault
May 29th, 2003, 09:17 AM
per4ever....I know we don't talk much....but I think the only players that can stop Serena at this point is a mixer. And Amelie and Justine have it in that category.

What I've notice in the past...didn't see the Charelston match, but Justine like Hingis use to do, is try to match stroke for stroke. Serena Loves pace, and thats where Amelie and Justine can throw off her game. They have the best chances at that.

But Serena was off, and when she's on, we all agree she's tuff. But everyone's beatable.

WtaTour4Ever
May 29th, 2003, 09:23 AM
WTATour4Ever...as a big Justine fan, I'm the first to admit that when Serena is on, she's hard to stop.

But I believe that Justine can hang in there when Serena is on..she can mix it up and start to frustrate Serena, who wants to finish points asap. That's where she will get out of her best game and start making errors. Serena is impatient on court, and if players like Justine, Kim or Amélie can hang in there and bring back lots of balls..Serena will start making those errors


I agree with you 100%. Henin isn't the same player she was last year and they were close, and Serena has yet to show me her form from last year so if/when they meet I don't think anyone will be taking Henin for granted. Will Henin be able to stay calm and close the match, can Serena stay patient, will she raise her game etc etc......either way, we will all be on the edge of our seats b/c .....well...thats really when tennis is more enjoyable for me. Thats why I love Serena/Jennifer matchups, b/c they were always gritty down the wire...you don't know who is gonna take ...type matches!!!

E. Blackadder
May 29th, 2003, 09:45 AM
The only time I have seen Serena give her opponent some credit was when she beat Els Callens 7-6 7-6.

"She played like the #1 player out there today" :drool:

SJW
May 29th, 2003, 09:58 AM
LOL id like to see Henin beat Serena when Serena is 100%

but its not gonna happen....not in this lifetime

as far as im concerned the only player to beat Serena when Serena was playing well that i can remember was Monica in LA 7-6 7-6

SJW
May 29th, 2003, 09:59 AM
btw.......WTF are you fricking complaining about??!?!

she said Henin played well :rolleyes:

hinquit
May 29th, 2003, 10:41 AM
I am sure Henin and Serena may meet in the semi-final. So let's wait and see what Serena means by not getting the 96% of her balls in.
It could be she means Henin will never get that chance again.

Gandalf
May 29th, 2003, 11:33 AM
This is the real quote:

Q. Obviously, since you started your drive early last year, you've had fabulous records against virtually everyone out there. But Justine has beaten you a couple times. What in Justine's game gives you a little bit of trouble?
SERENA WILLIAMS: I think she just played very well the last time we played. I know the one time she beat me, it was really tight and we both were struggling that day, and that was just a fun match. It was like 7-6 in the third, if I recall. It could have been anyone's match. She just so happened to get it. But it was a lot of fun.
Last time in Carolina, I just -- you had to have seen the match and seen the way I played. I think I was pretty frightening that day, couldn't get a ball in. It's tough, it's very hard to play matches when you're missing 99% of the shots.

Chance
May 29th, 2003, 11:46 AM
hmmm do you think Justine cares what Serena said after her loss. If Serena had given Justine MORE credit,would it have changed the fact that Justine was the first player to defeat Serena this year and won her second tournament of the year.

Serena is Serena, like her or dislike her, Serena won't change, so get over it!

best best better
May 29th, 2003, 11:48 AM
Thanks Gandalf. To me the full quote tells a lot. The fact that Serena remembers the Berlin final of '02 (3rd set tiebreak victory for Henin), means that she does have respect for Justine's game and how they match up when they play each.

Kinda confirms what I knew already.

switz
May 29th, 2003, 11:55 AM
do we really need another one of these threads. i think everything that needs to be said on issue from both sides of the debate have already been posted at least 10 times.

1) if serena is at her best henin is never going to beat.

2) serena always exaggerates how badly she plays by using description like 99% and 9000, notches. it is just her way of saying she did not play well so you just got to get over it because it is just the way she expresses herself, she is not literal.

3) serena fans have the strength not to post in this thread because there just is no point opening up this can of worms again

mboyle
May 29th, 2003, 11:58 AM
I wish she didn't say it, because even though it is true that she didn't play her best, part of being a champion is being gracious in defeat, and crediting your opponents. Lord knows she does a good job of it with Venus:rolleyes: .

spencercarlos
May 29th, 2003, 12:08 PM
Well that´s the risk of playing Serena, when she is on her game i think no one stands a chance, she is just too strong.
See how Kim built a 5-1 third set lead, yes Kim did a great job of staying with her, but the lead was built more by the errors of Serena, than Kim´s outstanding play.
Once Serena stoped the errors Kim did not won a game.
She just can put you in trouble right away with her serve and return, and being on the defensive against Serena its too tough to win, so when she is on, she is unstopable.

What Serena is saying is so true, i mean its difficult to play when you are missing a lot of shots. We can recall Kim´s last year lost to Clarisa at roland garros for example when she hit like plus 40 errors in a 2 set match, Venus´s lost to Hingis at Aopen 2001 or Amelie´s lost to Jana Kandarr at Roland Garros 2001 when they were making so many mistakes.
So i doubt a lot that Kim´s FANs would say that Clarisa frustrated Kim into errors with her great play or Venus fans admit that Hingis played so well that semifinal at the Australian Open or things like that.

The same happens with Serena here.

Anyway this is not important now, this is grand slam tennis, and with errors or not, or winners or not, anyone wants to finish it as the champion.
And it seems Rg 2003 is full of expectations because past grand slams winner and runner up (venus and serena) are more vulnerable in this surface than any other, and they does not seem to be playing at their top.

VSFan1 aka Joshua L.
May 29th, 2003, 12:51 PM
What Serena says is the truth.

Justine had absolutely nothing to do with that victory except to stay mentally tough and get balls back.

Serena was absoulte shit and would have lost to anyone that could get a ball back that day. If you deny this, then you are just crazy, because in my 7 years of watching Serena, I have never ever seen her play worse.


BUT Justine is one of the few players that can even challenge Serena on a good day. It just happened that the Charleston final was a very very bad day.

Cybelle Darkholme
May 29th, 2003, 01:05 PM
This I finded today on the official site of the french open

Serena was more forthcoming in assessing her rivalry with Henin, where she owns a 4-2 edge.

"She played very well the last time we played," Serena said. But you had to see the way I played. It was pretty frightening. I couldn't get a ball in. It's very hard to play matches when you're missing 99 per cent of your shots."



C'mon Serena you're weren't missing 99 per cent of the balls. You took a lead in the first and in in the beginning of the second set. Than henin started to mixed it up and made life difficult to you.

I'm still waiting for the day you once will say "My opponent was simply better than me today,no excuse"

If you can say these words than you get a place in my heart. But till now you're a sore loser. Always those exuses.
There's a reason you couldn't hit the balls in. Maybe all your opponents who lose to you can say the same "you had to see me etc..."



Sorry to all Serena fans for this negative thread. But I'm very dissapointed in the way Serena reacts off-court

yeah whatever where were you last year when justine bombed out of the first round? I didn't see you with any her opponent was simply better lines. hypocrite.

Henin did play better on that day against serena but serena did not play her best and so she lost. serena can't afford to play below her level against a player like henin. period.

the true question is why you so desperately need serena to grovel before your favorite? you seem to have the problem here. serena is simply accessing her game nothing more nothing less.

Filip!
May 29th, 2003, 01:11 PM
This thread is AGAIN a stupid discussion!

But I want to say one thing! I have a lot of respect for wath Serena did in her career, but I also have to admit, that she sounds sometimes arrogant. I mean, she almost never says a positive thing about another player, everybody, also the Serena-fans, have to admit that!

Furthermore, I don't want to talk about the Charleston match, about what Serena says about it or not... I know one thing: Justine stopped Serena's winning streak there, that's what counts!

MarcusRock
May 29th, 2003, 01:13 PM
Are ALL OF YOU gonna take that from Filip? He called all those involved in the discussion a bunch of backwater retards. That just ain't right. Ya'll gonna let him get away with that? Dang.

SerenaSlam
May 29th, 2003, 01:50 PM
i :rolleyes: at this post and this entire thread. this is just fan biast. and peoples personal opinions. again and again like i have said over and over again, even though fans don't want to hear this, players as in the "pros" the people who clealry know what they are talking about. even Mary Carillo.

When they say that Serena Williams right now is the only player that can beat Serena Williams it is very evident. Now having watched that match. I would agree with what you all have to say about Justine foricing the play IF, the rallies were long and Serena hit the error. But after watching that match, like I said before, Serena lost like 23 straight points with 19-20 errors. And errors on the first, second or third ball. There weren't even rallies in this match. It was instant Serena error. As good a player justine is, this match again was, is and always will be in the hands of serena. justine didn't even play that great, and in part due to the fact that she didn't even have to, hell she could've won not even playing much at all. she didn't hit that many winners, (oh well when does she) and she didn't have that many spectacular points that we see her usually genearte or come up with from on defense. it was serena controlling this entire match with her winners and errors, but we happend to see more more more more more errors than winners in this match from serena.

all again Serena is saying, is just watch her next match with this gurl. Its always been a completely different story. Just like when everyone was jumping down Serena's throat with her comments of fatigue in that WTA Championships, Hopman cup rolled around, and serena dissmissed Kim in straight sets,and then her comments about being off in Australia making that 1 a close match. Serena then backs up her comments and dismisses again any hope of people thinking Kim has something on serena beating her in straight sets.

I guess what you can realize is, even though serena comes up with these comments you all don't like. Serena backs them up. She says what she did wrong, and what if she did right would've happend. And when the "revenge" match has rolled around, Serena has completely demolished her opponent she lost to before, giving any hope the press and fans had of a close rivalry the damn boot.

SJW
May 29th, 2003, 04:29 PM
AHEM

DIDNT JUSTINE SAY LINZI FAKED AN INJURY?? :confused:

you guys are fucking hypocrites i swear

Justine fans are in NO position to talk about player to player courtesy....please believe

griffin
May 29th, 2003, 04:35 PM
Hey, Momo said pretty much the same thing after she beat Serena in Rome - that you had to wait for her to start making mistakes, because when she's on there's no beating her (and I am too lazy to dig up the quote right now). So what's the big deal?

I do think that Serena's opponents deserve more credit when they win - but you know what? That's not really Serena's job.

Cariaoke
May 29th, 2003, 04:46 PM
You know what I find really pathetic? Is that the starter of this thread said 'finded' when the correct word is found. That and the obvious fish hook that most Justy fans fell for in their sad need to find ways to discredit Serena's achievements because they didn't like the way she said something regarding their DEAR and INNOCENT Justine. Give me a mafucking break! Justine has said some cold things about other players. The way some of you act, it's like you don't believe Justine farts. Get a fuckin' life.

harloo
May 29th, 2003, 04:49 PM
Dayum why don't you whiners send a memo to the WTA entitled: Things Serena should say in her interviews. This is so played out and tired,
I don't know why posters on here keep playing it over and over.
Boring!!

She gives Justine credit and it's not enough. She gives Amelie credit and it's not enough. However she can never say how she played. She cannot say she played badly like every other fucking tennis player says in their interviews.

Please!!!! I'm tired of this constant complaining about nothing. Let it go people!!! All people around here do is bitch and moan about Serena not saying what she is supposed to say. Whatever! :rolleyes:

The Crow
May 29th, 2003, 04:55 PM
Two sides on this as always. Everyone who has seen the match, knows Serena wasn't at her best. But, well, maybe this has something to do with the player on the other side?? Serena will not put 99% of the balls out against number 100 on the world. She had to take more risks in the match, because Justine brought balls back that normally aren't brought back against Serena. And because Justine played mentally and especially tactically a very good match.

Don't agree with Fedcup that this is a reason to not like players. Serena is just the way she is. If you don't like it, that's fine. Would be boring if every player would react like e.g. Kim clijsters (and nothing against Kim Clijsters, it would be evenly boring if every player would react like Serena ;)).

tennisfun
May 29th, 2003, 04:58 PM
You know why those people always complain? because even though their favorite players won, but deep down, they just don't have confidence in them. That's why they are so desperate and so agitated by what Serena said even though she did compliment her opponents. But that's still not enough to make them believe in their favorites. I mean that's pathetic.

spartanfan
May 29th, 2003, 05:02 PM
FedCup you're an idiot. Apparently ever time Serena plays anyone you expect her to bow down in the end win or lose and send out waves of praise to her opponent. How fucking stupid can you get.

Filip!
May 29th, 2003, 05:09 PM
This thread goes like this:

- "I am right, Justine is a bitch"
- "No, I am right, Serena is a bitch"
- "I am right, blabla........"

Just stop it!! It's about sports, and in every match, we have a winner and we have a loser! That's the only thing that counts!

Do you think the players are having discussions like this with each other? Nope, they are here to play their game and to win matches!!! Nothing more, nothing less!!!

Dawn Marie
May 29th, 2003, 05:22 PM
People who are in here ripping Justine apart for her remarks saying that Serena played well. please stop it.

So Juju lost to Serena and she stated that she thinks she is boring to watch.. GET OVER IT!

Please leave this JUSTINE HENIN person alone. Justine is a bit arrogant but she is not alone. These ladies are competing.. Sure sometimes Justine says rude things at times, but it's because she lost many slams and tourneys to Serena!!

It's getting old already! Finding every lil small minute thing and trying to make it seem Serena (OOPS I MEANT JUSTINE) is rude.

I know Justine is not the only player to state rude remarks... NOW U ACT LIKE it. None of these ladies happen to be the real Queen up in here anyhow.

That goes to VENUS! Classy Venus Williams.

WtaTour4Ever
May 29th, 2003, 05:25 PM
Damn ...what happened...yesterday I thought for once we could be mature and have a discussion without all the drama. Oh well.....so much for that thought.

Dawn Marie
May 29th, 2003, 05:26 PM
...and if your a Henin fan complaining about Serena's remarks truthfully you really need to BiAtch slap yourself on your right cheek. .. AND HARD. LMAO

PhoenixStorm
May 29th, 2003, 05:40 PM
You know why those people always complain? because even though their favorite players won, but deep down, they just don't have confidence in them. That's why they are so desperate and so agitated by what Serena said even though she did compliment her opponents. But that's still not enough to make them believe in their favorites. I mean that's pathetic.


This is so true!

Dawn Marie
May 29th, 2003, 05:48 PM
They also can't control their anger when a sista refuses to act like Butterfly Mcqueen in gone with the Wind. those days are ova'.

U better get use to it. Serena will continue to BEAT ASSES and she does not have to be held to a different standard than the norm. The norm being a player such as Justine Henin... LMAO

Nemesis
May 29th, 2003, 05:59 PM
I think Serena says things like "missing 99% of my shots" or "my game was 1000 notches down" to give it more force. But she knows she just played not as good as usual and her opponent was better that day. But I think she may make those remarks because it was true and she likes to exaggerate. It isn't that arrogant to me. She is the number one of the world and if her game is on she is simply UNBEATABLE. Only a über-playing Justine, Venus, Kim or Amelie can bring a well playing Serena down.

And for Justine: she also says what's on her mind. That's one of her biggest problems. And I think it's adorable. Her manager tries to tame her thoughts, but sometimes they escape. And the fake-the-injury quote was a rebel that broke out of her head ;) It's Justine. And I like that part of her too ... Kim is always nice and that's one thing I "hate" about her. I want controverse like Justine, Serena, Amelie ... No group hugs. They all should shout: "Off with her head!" ;) ;) ;)

Steffica Greles
May 29th, 2003, 06:57 PM
To be fair to Serena (who I'm no great fan of), she's not saying anything different from what Graf used to say, and Seles before her. The same applied to Hingis, and probably Navratilova.

A world number one HAS to believe that when they lose it's because they didn't play their best, otherwise their egos are shattered.

Now, as for whether the comment was true or not, I suspect it was.

I can't recall a match Serena has lost, especially in recent years, where I haven't felt that she's handed the match to her oponent.

Clijsters made a valiant effort at last years Chase, but she still capitalised on Serena's errors. The same goes for the succession of wins Capriati had over Serena in 2000-2001.

The fact is, Serena is virtually unbeatable when she plays at her best. That's why she makes the comments she does - and to me, she says them with humility and dignity.

ans
May 29th, 2003, 07:11 PM
I think Serena says things like "missing 99% of my shots" or "my game was 1000 notches down" to give it more force. But she knows she just played not as good as usual and her opponent was better that day. But I think she may make those remarks because it was true and she likes to exaggerate. It isn't that arrogant to me. She is the number one of the world and if her game is on she is simply UNBEATABLE. Only a über-playing Justine, Venus, Kim or Amelie can bring a well playing Serena down.

And for Justine: she also says what's on her mind. That's one of her biggest problems. And I think it's adorable. Her manager tries to tame her thoughts, but sometimes they escape. And the fake-the-injury quote was a rebel that broke out of her head ;) It's Justine. And I like that part of her too ... Kim is always nice and that's one thing I "hate" about her. I want controverse like Justine, Serena, Amelie ... No group hugs. They all should shout: "Off with her head!" ;) ;) ;)

oh yes! let's hate people 'cause they're nice ;)

mentos
May 29th, 2003, 07:14 PM
Another Serena fixation thread, I'm shocked!
What will you complainers bitch about after she and Venus retire?

DA FOREHAND
May 29th, 2003, 08:32 PM
Let's start with facts.
1)Serena has been the dominate player for the last year and then some.

2)Serena has won four consecutive slams

3) Serena has a winnin h2h against all of the top players

From that we can conclude that she is number one in the world because she is the best player on the tour. "Best" meaning when you're on your game(doesn't have to be %100) you will win.

I challenge anyone of you whiners to come up with a match in which Serena lost where she hit 20-25 ue's. Hell a green Serena smoked then number one player in the world at then 99 Open and I believe she made 60plus ue's in that match.

If there is a tennis god she will make sure Justine and SERENA meet in the semis.

SJW
May 29th, 2003, 10:11 PM
ok ok ok picture this

SERENA says a player faked an injury....can you imagine the backlash!?!?! that would be unreal

JUSTINE says Linzi (who had had chronic knee problems so Justine should of fucking known better) FAKED her KNEE (which she was out for 9 months with ;)) injury and its "cute" :confused:

ive never laughed so fucking hard in my life :D

if serena said the things Justine has said in the past, she would be more unpopular than she is now..i mean imagine if Serena said the Belgian domination of the game was boring :confused: drama drama drama :rolleyes:

every players shit stinks....and the sooner y'all begin to realize that, not only will you have more positive energy, but you wont look like a total jackass when u want to post a thread :)

Cybelle Darkholme
May 29th, 2003, 10:15 PM
To be fair to Serena (who I'm no great fan of), she's not saying anything different from what Graf used to say, and Seles before her. The same applied to Hingis, and probably Navratilova.

A world number one HAS to believe that when they lose it's because they didn't play their best, otherwise their egos are shattered.

Now, as for whether the comment was true or not, I suspect it was.

I can't recall a match Serena has lost, especially in recent years, where I haven't felt that she's handed the match to her oponent.

Clijsters made a valiant effort at last years Chase, but she still capitalised on Serena's errors. The same goes for the succession of wins Capriati had over Serena in 2000-2001.

The fact is, Serena is virtually unbeatable when she plays at her best. That's why she makes the comments she does - and to me, she says them with humility and dignity.


Well said!

franny
May 30th, 2003, 12:45 AM
lol, wouldn't it be hilarious if the next player serena beats goes:

"well you really need to see how i played out there, i mean, i couldn't move, i was just not into it today and was 1000 notches down from my usual movement, it was like i couldn't get to any of the balls, it was pretty scary the way i played and ran, it was like my feet were stuck to the ground. but u kno, she played well too, so good for her."

Kart
May 30th, 2003, 05:50 PM
Serena's comments are not great, but Justine's no better.

Neither of them often say much apart from talking about their game.

Still what do you expect - they're hardly about to admit that someone is better than them.

DA FOREHAND
May 30th, 2003, 06:11 PM
Of course Serena wouldn't admit to anyone being better than her she's the world's number one. There are at least three players better than Justine.

Have Justine and Jenn ever played? What's the h2h?

Cariaoke
May 30th, 2003, 06:17 PM
Justine Henin-Hardenne (BEL) leads 3:2
Jennifer Capriati (USA) vs. Justine Henin-Hardenne (BEL)
2001-05-07 Berlin Clay SF Jennifer Capriati (USA) 6-2 4-6 2-1 ret
2001-06-25 Wimbledon Grass SF Justine Henin-Hardenne (BEL) 2-6 6-4 6-2
2002-05-06 Berlin Clay SF Justine Henin-Hardenne (BEL) 5-7 6-2 6-1
2002-08-12 Montreal Hardcourt QF Jennifer Capriati (USA) 4-6 6-0 6-2
2003-02-17 Dubai Hardcourt SF Justine Henin-Hardenne (BEL) 7-5 4-6 6-4
Hard: Tied 1:1
Clay: Tied 1:1
Grass: Justine Henin-Hardenne (BEL) leads 1:0
Indoor: Tied 0:0