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Flatstat
May 22nd, 2003, 08:32 AM
I cannot believe it. I have been really pre-occupied today (:rolleyes: )

I had to run into to town and do a few little things and stopped to get some petrol on the way home and got some soft drink and Ice creams and Cigarettes. Got home, packed everything away, opened the cigarettes (Winfield blue 25), light up and thought My God, what am I doi.....god that tastes great. So looks like cigarettes are going to be par for the course for at least a week :o

gentenaire
May 22nd, 2003, 08:48 AM
tsk tsk tsk

King Satan
May 22nd, 2003, 08:49 AM
Satan says: if it makes you happy, then go for it.

King Lindsay
May 22nd, 2003, 08:56 AM
How long did you quit for?

Maajken
May 22nd, 2003, 08:57 AM
*slap*

Flatstat
May 22nd, 2003, 09:14 AM
lol, sorry I was outside having a smoke :o

18 months I haven't smoked for and I still do not know what led me to buy them today :devil:

skanky~skanketta
May 22nd, 2003, 09:27 AM
gawd!i've never even tried quitting.

King Lindsay
May 22nd, 2003, 10:06 AM
i quit for four months, ended about a week or two ago.

they're very addictive. :) We should both quit again, though. Don't want cancer.

King Satan
May 22nd, 2003, 10:07 AM
Satan says: what doesn't kill you quick, will only make you stronger.

Flatstat
May 22nd, 2003, 10:11 AM
i quit for four months, ended about a week or two ago.

they're very addictive. :) We should both quit again, though. Don't want cancer.

Ask again next week, at the moment they are just too nice to even contemplate your suggestion ;)

Sam L
May 22nd, 2003, 10:19 AM
I haven't smoked for about 3 years. But hey Winfield Blues are disgusting anyway. I hate them. When I did smoke, I always smoked Marlboro Lights. :sigh: I do miss them, but it's for the better. ;)

Flatstat
May 22nd, 2003, 10:37 AM
I haven't smoked for about 3 years. But hey Winfield Blues are disgusting anyway. I hate them. When I did smoke, I always smoked Marlboro Lights. :sigh: I do miss them, but it's for the better. ;)

I don't think they even exsist in this country
:confused:

gentenaire
May 22nd, 2003, 10:51 AM
They should forbid the 'light' on the package. Light cigarettes contain just as much nicotine as normal cigerattes. They're just as addictive, the chance of getting cancer is the same.

vaiva
May 22nd, 2003, 10:55 AM
I want to quit too

Can we have a massive campaign, say after RG?

JoeyWinson3.0
May 22nd, 2003, 11:00 AM
"They should forbid the 'light' on the package. Light cigarettes contain just as much nicotine as normal cigerattes. They're just as addictive, the chance of getting cancer is the same."

They've actually just banned the words "Light, Ultra, Mild, Special Filter and Smooth" from cigs in this country, as well as putting these bloody huge warnings on em, although we haven't got rid of all the old stock with the smaller warnings on, hence people coming in saying "I'll have twenty Benson please, the ones that don't kill you"

I'll tell you something tho, those warnings ain't gonna stop me treating myself to the occasional pack of Corona Halves :)

Elske
May 22nd, 2003, 11:26 AM
:lick: http://www.jordysworld.de/emoticons/blob15.gif

King Lindsay
May 22nd, 2003, 12:12 PM
Yeah, but light cigarettes are lower in tar and other chemicals. That's why they taste like shit.

Flatstat
May 22nd, 2003, 12:29 PM
In Australia you have 1,2,4,8,12,16.

Blue are 12

Keith
May 22nd, 2003, 01:27 PM
Last night, I had a dream that I smoked a cigarette. I haven't had one in so long, and every on in a while (like last night when I had 4 margaritas) I think about one. Then I dream I have one. I'm always disgusted with myself....and then I wake up :)

Dava
May 22nd, 2003, 01:29 PM
You know I have only ever smoked on cigarette in my self, but I always have dreams were I smoke. Perhaps its becuase a lot of my friends smoke, so I get used to the smell, and the thickness of the air, and then when I go home, I have a dream about smoking!

Mase
May 22nd, 2003, 01:33 PM
I just cut back from Marlboro Lights to Ultar Lights, trying to eventually 'ween' off of smoking...

How about I just smoke more? Hahahaha... Im going to quit though, just a matter of time...

Helen Lawson
May 22nd, 2003, 01:52 PM
Neely smokes, and so do I.

Big Fat Pink Elephant
May 22nd, 2003, 01:52 PM
cigs.... mmm....

Helen Lawson
May 22nd, 2003, 02:11 PM
I should add here that smoking is bad. Just because Neely and I smoke does not mean that others should take it up to be like us, or to be glamorous like us. Jennifer North and Anne Welles are also very glamorous and beautiful, and Anne does not smoke. Jennifer did not smoke either, before she overdosed on the blue ones. She probably got some second hand smoke though, because Miriam lived with Jennifer and Tony after they got married, and Miriam smoked. I was suprised Miriam smoked, she was so cheap and cigarettes cost money. Miriam insisted they eat reheated lasagna every night to save money, yet she bought cigarettes. I could never figure that out.

Big Fat Pink Elephant
May 22nd, 2003, 02:19 PM
speaking of smoking.... poor nicole! :(

http://www.dailytelegraph.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5936,6473963%255E13140,00.html

Nicotine Nic blows her image
By MICHELLE CAZZULINO
22may03
HER face has graced the covers of hundreds of fashion magazines worldwide and she is regularly voted one of the most beautiful women.

http://www.dailytelegraph.news.com.au/common/imagedata/0,1658,%20256593,00.jpg

PICTURE: Lighter moment ... Nicole Kidman lights that cigarette at her press conference in Cannes yesterday

But the world glimpsed uglier images of Nicole Kidman at the Cannes Film Festival yesterday when she smoked her way through an international press conference.

Her actions have outraged health lobbyists and anti-smoking advocates, who described it as "priceless publicity for the tobacco industry".

Australian Democrats Senator Lyn Allison also weighed in on the issue, urging Kidman to use her position to discourage smoking.

In doing so, Senator Allison added that tobacco use cost the nation $21 billion every year.

Reports from Cannes suggest Kidman was in an "upbeat mood" at the press conference to promote her new film, the widely-acclaimed Dogville, though she "admitted she was not in form at one point [and] pushed the microphone away."

The Toronto Sun reported that her decision to ask Swedish actor and Dogville co-star Stellan Skarsgard for a cigarette was met with disgust by director Lars von Trier, who was being interviewed about the same film.

"The smoking prompted the irascible von Trier to lecture her on her bad habits," the newspaper said.

"'Nicole,' he barked, 'Don't do that you promised!' Kidman then scowled angrily like a naughty child. 'Okay,' von Trier said angrily, 'You can sulk now'."

This is the first time she has given a press conference while smoking, although she has previously spoken about having to take up the habit, and learn to roll cigarettes for her Oscar-winning role in The Hours.

The NSW Cancer Council was yesterday "reluctant to comment on individual cases", Kidman's actions were strongly condemned by Action on Smoking and Health Australia (ASH).

The group said pictures of her smoking were "devastating" for young women and girls who might be influenced by them.

ASH CEO Anne Jones said 6000 Australian women died each year from smoking-related illnesses and 21 per cent of women over 18 smoke.

"Nicole Kidman might feel she's been unfairly targeted, but with fame and status does come responsibility," she said.

"She has a right to smoke, but when she, [or any celebrity] smokes at an international media conference, it will be seen by millions of people and it sends a very unfortunate message, especially to young women and children."

IS NICOLE KIDMAN OBLIGED TO LEAD BY EXAMPLE? WAS SMOKING SO PUBLICALLY SENDING THE WRONG MESSAGE TO YOUNG PEOPLE? CLICK ON THE FEEDBACK LINE BELOW AND HAVE YOUR SAY

(lol that feedback part was in the article!)

Flatstat
May 22nd, 2003, 02:53 PM
I noticed Allison left out the bit about $36 billion in taxes smoking raises :rolleyes:

So she smokes, who gives a fuck?

Flappie
May 22nd, 2003, 02:57 PM
Smokers have a weak mind!:p

Martian Mel
May 22nd, 2003, 03:31 PM
Smokers have a weak mind!:p

I don't think so ;)

Btw i think all the crap about smoking kills you should stop...It isn't sure that you'll end up with longcancer ..yeah you'll have a higher chance of getting it but you will die on something so i don't see the problem.

And you might smoke your whole life and die before you even get cancer (car accident or whatever)So what would have been the point for not smoking becoz of getting lungcancer?
I rather be happy all my life and doing what i want to do and live a few years less then quit smoking ...and having this tough battle every day...and dying a few years older....And it's not like i want cancer..like i said it might never happen but i'm willing to take the risk....I know how bad cancer is and how much it hurts but there are also other things...

I mean do you also say to obese people...stop having sex becoz otherwise the risk that you'll get a heartattack will be higher?
Or to people....don't drive your car because then the risk of getting an accident will be higher than if you walk??
Or ..stop drinking alcohol because you might fuck up your liver?

Everybody can make his/her own choice...but don't fucking nag about it!....we DO know what the consequenses might be so we don't need you to tell us!

AMEN ;)

Martian Mel
May 22nd, 2003, 03:31 PM
not always, flappie. if you've made a conscientious decision to smoke for enjoyment then that's not weak. that's called making a choice.

:worship:

Martian Mel
May 22nd, 2003, 03:36 PM
you tell him crazy! lol... :worship:


Hehe....This is such a sensitive subject for me! :o
*Smokes a ciggie* ;)

Flappie
May 22nd, 2003, 03:44 PM
yeah if you know the consequences and you still smoke then its your decision. I havent nagged to anyone about smoking in two years:p
The thing i just dont like about smokers is that seem to ignore the fact that there are non-smokers who like to breath fresh air. Its extremely annoying that i have to put up with smoke becoz of other's enjoyment.

Sue
May 22nd, 2003, 03:53 PM
The thing i just dont like about smokers is that seem to ignore the fact that there are non-smokers who like to breath fresh air. Its extremely annoying that i have to put up with smoke becoz of other's enjoyment.

Ditto, Flappie.

Mase
May 22nd, 2003, 03:59 PM
After all these, Im taking a smoke break!!

Hahahahaha

MarcusRock
May 22nd, 2003, 04:02 PM
yeah if you know the consequences and you still smoke then its your decision. I havent nagged to anyone about smoking in two years:p
The thing i just dont like about smokers is that seem to ignore the fact that there are non-smokers who like to breath fresh air. Its extremely annoying that i have to put up with smoke becoz of other's enjoyment.For an indoor confined area, I agree 100%. Outdoors, where it disperses better, I say light up (your lungs) to your heart's content.

Flappie
May 22nd, 2003, 04:06 PM
do you fart? i'm sure there have been others around you who didn't want to have to put with that. listen...there are enough toxins in the air and the water you drink to kill you. i'm not advocating smoking. i'm just saying that people are free beings who take up whatever it is they want for enjoyment...you may not smoke, but perhaps you have other just as annoying habits. life's short enough as it is..enjoy what makes you happy.
I may have annoying habits, but it wont kill anyone. Everybody is free to do what they want, but they should take others in consideration. I have to put up with it just becoz others cant stay away from the ciggies.:rolleyes:

Martian Mel
May 22nd, 2003, 04:07 PM
do you fart? i'm sure there have been others around you who didn't want to have to put with that. listen...there are enough toxins in the air and the water you drink to kill you. i'm not advocating smoking. i'm just saying that people are free beings who take up whatever it is they want for enjoyment...you may not smoke, but perhaps you have other just as annoying habits. life's short enough as it is..enjoy what makes you happy.

Totally agree

Liz i wasn't talking about you but there are a lot of nonsmokers who nag!
And like Diva said....the air is already polluted and shit...i'm not telling people to stop driving their car becoz I want to breath fresh air!Smokers might be annoying for you but live isn't perfect and you have to life with other peoples 'annoying' habbits!Like i have to life with all the nagging about my smoking....like i have to live with my neigbours playing hard music while i'm trying to sleep after a nightshift etc etc. And it's a lot easier to just accept it because you can't do anything about it anyway.
I'm also annoyed by babies crying in in a airplane while you're trying to sleep to prevent a jetlag but i know that nobody is perfect and we can't blame eachother..Everybody has annoying habbits...Mine is smoking (for non smokers) well I'm glad about it because it could be a lot worse! ;)

Flappie
May 22nd, 2003, 04:10 PM
maybe i should move to Cali!:p

Some places here are just hell for non-smokers:(

Martian Mel
May 22nd, 2003, 04:13 PM
Liz.....Like i said...car's can kill me too but i'm not telling people to stop driving.
And you don't have to be surrounded by smoke....It's your own choice...The only place where you have no other choice is pubs/clubs....But smoking and alcohol goes hand in hand so you can't seperate that....they could make some non smoking rooms in a club but i betcha that that wouldn't be crowded at all....Because a lot of people smoke or have friends who smoke and if your friends would be in the 'smoker area' would you choose to go to the non smokers??I don't think so and that's with most of the nonsmokers!

gentenaire
May 22nd, 2003, 04:14 PM
do you fart? i'm sure there have been others around you who didn't want to have to put with that. listen...there are enough toxins in the air and the water you drink to kill you. i'm not advocating smoking. i'm just saying that people are free beings who take up whatever it is they want for enjoyment...you may not smoke, but perhaps you have other just as annoying habits. life's short enough as it is..enjoy what makes you happy.

That's a bad comparison and you know it!

How often does your hair smell of fart? How often have you entered a restaurant smelling of fart? How often do your clothes smell of fart?

I live by a very simple rule, you can do anything you want as long as you're not bothering or hurting others. Smoke does bother me. I hate the smell, I hate the fact that my clothes, jacket, purse, everything smells of smoke after a night out.

There are certain things that annoy others but that you can't help (like crying babies). Smoking is a personal choice (you said so yourself), so smokers choose to be annoying to others.

And we can't do a thing about it or we're 'nagging'. If I was to empty my glass of coke over your clothes, Mel, I highly doubt you'd keep quiet.

And smoking does more than just kill. I agree that we can die of everything, but smoking gives you yellow yucky teeth, smoker friends of mine have problems getting up the stairs because they're out of breath in no time, they're all nervous when they're on a plane and can't smoke for a few hours, you can get paralysed from smoking too. Cot death in babies is linked to smoking, asthma is linked to smoking...

Martian Mel
May 22nd, 2003, 04:28 PM
That's a bad comparison and you know it!

How often does your hair smell of fart? How often have you entered a restaurant smelling of fart? How often do your clothes smell of fart?

I live by a very simple rule, you can do anything you want as long as you're not bothering or hurting others. Smoke does bother me. I hate the smell, I hate the fact that my clothes, jacket, purse, everything smells of smoke after a night out.

There are certain things that annoy others but that you can't help (like crying babies). Smoking is a personal choice (you said so yourself), so smokers choose to be annoying to others.
And we can't do a thing about it or we're 'nagging'. If I was to empty my glass of coke over your clothes, Mel, I highly doubt you'd keep quiet.

And smoking does more than just kill. I agree that we can die of everything, but smoking gives you yellow yucky teeth, smoker friends of mine have problems getting up the stairs because they're out of breath in no time, they're all nervous when they're on a plane and can't smoke for a few hours, you can get paralysed from smoking too. Cot death in babies is linked to smoking, asthma is linked to smoking...

Sorry but this is what i call nagging!

I live by a very simple rule, you can do anything you want as long as you're not bothering or hurting others

So if i would say that i didn't liked your aftershave and that it bothers me would you change it?i don't think so...


I hate the fact that my clothes, jacket, purse, everything smells of smoke after a night out. Like i said a night out is the only place where you don't have a choice but like i said i betcha that if they would have non smokers room that it wouldn't be crowded at all!

Smoking is a personal choice (you said so yourself), so smokers choose to be annoying to others.
I don't choose to be annoying...i choose to live my own life...And if you say it like this than people who are drinking alcohol would be choosing to be annoying ? Ofcourse not...it's all about people's tolerancelevels...you obviously have a low smoking tolerance level but i know A LOT of non smokers who don't think smokers are annoying at all!!And when i didn't smoked myself i didn't thought so too....So should i stop smoking because of your low tolerancelevel?

If I was to empty my glass of coke over your clothes, Mel, I highly doubt you'd keep quiet

Well this happened to me in a cafe two weeks ago!I was sitting with my friends and had some cool clothes on and a NEW jacket...A waitress accidently threw a big coke over my clothes and jacket and was like omg i'm so sorry....don't worry we have a good insurance blablabla....You know what i said? I said no worries...it's ok!

but smoking gives you yellow yucky teeth, smoker friends of mine have problems getting up the stairs because they're out of breath in no time, they're all nervous when they're on a plane and can't smoke for a few hours, you can get paralysed from smoking too. Cot death in babies is linked to smoking, asthma is linked to smoking

we ALL know this so don't bother to explain...it's our own choice and we know the consequenses...You should stop being so annoyed by peoples habits I'm sure that other people are annoyed about you too but that's just the way it is!So just be happy and don't worry so much!

gentenaire
May 22nd, 2003, 04:41 PM
What's a non-smoker to do then? Say nothing, then you think they're not bothered by it, say something and it's called 'nagging'.
That's what I find so annoying about a lot of smokers, that they don't even realise how much of a nuisance smoke really is, smokers pretending to be the injured party. I know a lot of non-smokers who don't say to smokers how much it really annoys them because they don't want to be accused of 'nagging', so it's not because someone doesn't say anothing about it that they're not bothered by it. You claim non-smokers are not bothered by smoke, then why do they all choose to sit in the non-smoking section on a train? Why do they choose the non-smoking part of a restaurant (if there is one)? You must think it's absolutely ridiculous that smoking isn't allowed on planes! What, so many naggers on plane, stop whining, right? Fuck the rest of the world, if I want to be anti-social, it's your problem, not mine.

"ooh, what if I just trashed your car, stop nagging, I just happen to enjoy trashing cars, stop being annoyed by people's habits"

"ooh, what if I happen to enjoy drowning you with coke every time I see you, even when you're on your way to an important exam or a job interview, stop nagging..."

AjdeNate!
May 22nd, 2003, 04:49 PM
lol, sorry I was outside having a smoke :o

18 months I haven't smoked for and I still do not know what led me to buy them today :devil:
Hmmmmm, delves deep into Flatstats psyche while I puff on one of my own ... Must be an oral fixation issue you're having lately. :o


:angel:

Vincent
May 22nd, 2003, 04:53 PM
Smoke is not good, give it up.

Keith
May 22nd, 2003, 05:04 PM
The only time I encounter smoke is when I'm at a bar or restaurant. I think only one of my colleagues smoke and not many of my friends do. But my mom smokes and when she visits me, she decides its ok to smoke in my house. Oh well.

Martian Mel
May 22nd, 2003, 05:27 PM
Beggin....we could go on and on but this will never end..it's the same with veggie-meat eaters discussion or does god or doesn't he excist..it's all quite pointless...becoz we will never agree ...I do respect your opinion though and sorry about the nagging bit..i shouldn't have said it!
And btw i do think it sucks that you can't smoke on a plane :O hehe

Big Fat Pink Elephant
May 22nd, 2003, 05:28 PM
*sigh* i've said this before....

Tine - move to norway! you can finish your engineering studies at NTNU up in Trondheim! ;)
Liz - you can do the same thing! (maybe not the engeering part.....:p)

Mel - you can stay away from norway! lol j/k hun ;) but it would be easier if you get here before spring 2004 :angel:

Hmm... btw... didn't a couple of American scientists claim that 2nd hand smoking isn't dangerous at all?! lmao :D i heard this news some weeks ago.. hm....

Helen Lawson
May 22nd, 2003, 05:31 PM
Neely and I both have our teeth professionally bleached 4 times a year so they are not yellow. There are benefits to being superstars (though I am bigger than Neely).

Martian Mel
May 22nd, 2003, 05:32 PM
Honey!!It will be either Norway or Canada THIS year!Depends on the money..i'll go to norway if i don't have a lot of money (cheap planeticket) or to canada if i do have some money! :kiss:

Giuliano
May 22nd, 2003, 05:38 PM
not always, flappie. if you've made a conscientious decision to smoke for enjoyment then that's not weak. that's called making a choice.
Hmm Since when is taking up smoking a conscientious decision? I'm quite confident no-one would start smoking if they weren't proposed a cigarette in the first place. I think that in most cases, teens start smoking because they want to be accepted by the others, or at least to be like them and they're not self-confident enough to not be like everyone else. After all, very few adults start smoking, that's why the tobacco companies try to make youngsters smoke...
I'd say that the conscientious decision is to say "No, thanks, I won't smoke" :p

As for the cigarettes being the best way to relax, it has never been proved that any components in them has any relaxing effect (that I know off). It's only the fact that you're breathing in a certain way that relaxes you.

So cigarettes have no positive side except, their social aspect up to a certain age. When you're self-confident, you don't feel the need to light one because the others do...

That said, smokers don't annoy me... as long as they don't blow their puffs around me and I can breathe normally without this odor... But you are not and will never be allowed to smoke at my place or in my car (if I had one :p).

Big Fat Pink Elephant
May 22nd, 2003, 05:42 PM
"As for the cigarettes being the best way to relax, it has never been proved that any components in them has any relaxing effect (that I know off). It's only the fact that you're breathing in a certain way that relaxes you."

who wants to listen to "components" when i can listen to my own mind? if i feel that a cig can calm my nerves, then it can! :p

Giuliano
May 22nd, 2003, 05:48 PM
That's what they want you to think :p.

ys
May 22nd, 2003, 05:49 PM
Having a cigarette is SO good. I am craving for it just as one mentions it.. That said, I am a quitter for a time being and haven't had a single one for more than a month.. But surely I will have some in future..

Besides, they say that , first, smoking lowers the risk of Alzheimer's, and that's about one biggest thing that I would really hate happening to me..

Big Fat Pink Elephant
May 22nd, 2003, 05:54 PM
That's what they want you to think :p.
they... who?! :p lol.. i think what i wanna think.. and if i want to think that a cig is relaxing, then it is, dammit!!!! *stomps with her foot*

Giuliano
May 22nd, 2003, 06:01 PM
It is relaxing, but because it makes you breathe in a certain way, not because of the cigarette in itself. :p *is shaken from the foot stomping of the elephant*

Big Fat Pink Elephant
May 22nd, 2003, 06:03 PM
lol i have no problems breathing..... are we forgetting that i practice yoga?! :p :angel:
But no way that i'll sit down at the library, starting to meditate infront of hundreds of ppl coz i'm stressed out about the exams... i just simply step outside with a marlboro lights.

Giuliano
May 22nd, 2003, 06:11 PM
As long as you go outside, don't blow the smoke in my face or anywhere near me and take a gum after... fine by me.

You can smoke all you want as long as I don't have to smell it (directly or through someone's breath). It's a waste of money though. :p

ys
May 22nd, 2003, 06:12 PM
lol i have no problems breathing..... are we forgetting that i practice yoga?! :p :angel:
But no way that i'll sit down at the library, starting to meditate infront of hundreds of ppl coz i'm stressed out about the exams... i just simply step outside with a marlboro lights.

Or, as people suggested above, you can fart..

Big Fat Pink Elephant
May 22nd, 2003, 06:17 PM
lmao... eewww ys :o

julien - most of the stuff we buy is a waste of money :p

Giuliano
May 22nd, 2003, 06:23 PM
Not quite as much as cigarettes that just vanish into thin hair. I'm not sure about the price of a pack of cigarettes but let's say a heavy smoker buys a pack which costs 4.50 (actually I'm quite sure it's more than that) everyday... at the end of the year, he could have saved more than 1600 :eek:. That's huge for something that has no utility.

Big Fat Pink Elephant
May 22nd, 2003, 06:27 PM
lol i already did the math in another smoke-thread we had before.... it's a lot of money indeed.
Do you buy sodas julien? or alcohol etc? well, you just drink them and they disappear. while you could have healthy, cheap water at home from your tap. or food, or snacks... haven't you bought things to eat without being really hungry?

Giuliano
May 22nd, 2003, 06:37 PM
I have (though I can't remember going to a supermarket and buying alcohol myself) but never for that amount of money.
I'm not saying you shouldn't spend this amount of money. Smokers have all the freedom in the world to smoke (we all have some kind of unhealthy vices) as long as I don't have to smell it, like I'm sure you wouldn't like to be near a bunch of drunkards whose vice is alcohol every time you go to a bar.

decemberlove
May 22nd, 2003, 06:37 PM
i smoke weed occ., black and milds a few times a month, and have smoked about 15 cigarettes in my entire life. but i DONT smoke in a restaurant while other people are trying to eat. that is just rude and selfish. just cos YOU find inhaling smoke while eating enjoyable, doesnt mean others do.

you can smoke all you want outside, but inside is a different story. is it that hard to get off your lazy ass to smoke outdoors?

alcohol, farting, a baby crying... bad comparison. its not like i walk into a restaurant and a symphony of farting is going off. somebody drinking a few beers doesnt bother me; i dont have to smell it. a baby crying, there is nothing we can do about that.

if youre gonna smoke, fine. but dont convince yourself into thinking its actually healthy for you. if you were pregnant, would you smoke? if you had a young child, would you smoke around them? inhaling smoke into your lungs is not good for you. period.

one of the reasons my allergies are so bad is cos i grew up in a very smoky house.

i may be a whiny, nagging, bitch but atleast im not inconsiderate.

and smoking on a plane is prohibited for a reason. its not a big conspiracy to make smokers suffer.

gentenaire
May 22nd, 2003, 06:40 PM
i smoke weed occ., black and milds a few times a month, and have smoked about 15 cigarettes in my entire life. but i DONT smoke in a restaurant while other people are trying to eat. that is just rude and selfish. just cos YOU find inhaling smoke while eating enjoyable, doesnt mean others do.

you can smoke all you want outside, but inside is a different story. is it that hard to get off your lazy ass to smoke outdoors?

alcohol, farting, a baby crying... bad comparison. its not like i walk into a restaurant and a symphony of farting is going off. somebody drinking a few beers doesnt bother me; i dont have to smell it. a baby crying, there is nothing we can do about that.

if youre gonna smoke, fine. but dont convince yourself into thinking its actually healthy for you. if you were pregnant, would you smoke? if you had a young child, would you smoke around them? inhaling smoke into your lungs is not good for you. period.

one of the reasons my allergies are so bad is cos i grew up in a very smoky house.

i may be a whiny, nagging, bitch but atleast im not inconsiderate.

and smoking on a plane is prohibited for a reason. its not a big conspiracy to make smokers suffer.

Thank you! If only all smokers were like you.

IMO, you can do anything you want at home, I don't care if people smoke or not, I do care when it's spoiling my dinner.

Big Fat Pink Elephant
May 22nd, 2003, 06:48 PM
there ARE actually smokers who follow the *rules* D-Love describes. Me and my friends :angel: when we are out eating, etc... (usually a big group) if one person is still eating, then we don't start to smoke. If we are at somebody's house, if we are not allowed to smoke inside, then we just go out, very simple. If we go somewhere and one of us say "I wanna sit at a non smokers table" then fine, we move over there, and then the smokers can just go the smoking area or what ever.

and uh huh, when i get pregnant, no smoking and blah blah. my lifestyle will def. be changed the second i become pregnant.

and one thing.... i work with kids at an elementry school, and i never smoke before or during the hours i'm around the kids. i am aware of the smell for the non smokers, and i try to not "offend" anyone coz of my smoking.......

ys
May 22nd, 2003, 06:52 PM
you can smoke all you want outside, but inside is a different story. is it that hard to get off your lazy ass to smoke outdoors?

What if it is raining or -25?

a baby crying, there is nothing we can do about that.

We can.. Resaurants or supermarkets or department store's are not a place for babies, or they are in complete responsibility of their parents. If babies are not capable of behaving or if you can't control them, don't them there..Like if my card in a supermarket will accidentally run over a crawling baby I will not feel at fault.


one of the reasons my allergies are so bad is cos i grew up in a very smoky house.

The biggest reason for that is that you are being fed a genetically modified, hormone-grown cheap crap starting from your childhood and that perhaps your idiot doctor prescribes you antibiotics without extra thought and you obeyingly take it instead of flushing into your toilet. More than 50% of Americans have the natural chemistry of their bodies so messed up that smoking is such a minor contributor.

i may be a whiny, nagging, bitch but atleast im not inconsiderate.


That's very nice of you.


and smoking on a plane is prohibited for a reason. its not a big conspiracy to make smokers suffer.

And the reason for that is..?

Big Fat Pink Elephant
May 22nd, 2003, 06:54 PM
i'm pretty sure that they allow smoking on planes. atleast those 16h flights lol.

gentenaire
May 22nd, 2003, 06:54 PM
there ARE actually smokers who follow the *rules* D-Love describes. Me and my friends :angel: when we are out eating, etc... (usually a big group) if one person is still eating, then we don't start to smoke.

But when you're in a restaurant, there are always other people still eating at another table. A restaurant is no place to smoke, IMO.

gentenaire
May 22nd, 2003, 06:55 PM
i'm pretty sure that they allow smoking on planes. atleast those 16h flights lol.

Nope, they don't. Not even on long flights. You can get nicotine shewing gum though or other replacements.

I believe the only exception is flights to Japan.

Big Fat Pink Elephant
May 22nd, 2003, 06:58 PM
there are non-smoking and smoking sections at the restaurants here, and the smoking sections have a better ventilation system. and i've never experienced ppl being uncomfortable at restaurants, coz usually the smokey air disappears quickly.

Big Fat Pink Elephant
May 22nd, 2003, 06:59 PM
Nope, they don't. Not even on long flights. You can get nicotine shewing gum though or other replacements.

I believe the only exception is flights to Japan.
then they have changed the rules, coz i've been on several planes where it was allowed to smoke.

Giuliano
May 22nd, 2003, 07:00 PM
If it is raining or -25, then you don't smoke... it's not something you really need to do. If I was at a restaurant with friends, I wouldn't do what annoys them if I don't really need it. You said yourself you smoke because it tastes good, not because you need it.

gentenaire
May 22nd, 2003, 07:02 PM
then they have changed the rules, coz i've been on several planes where it was allowed to smoke.

Seriously? And where did they put the smokers then? Was there some kind of division? I remember in the old days, there was nothing, so if you had bad luck (which I always have) and ended up in the row in front of the smokers, you didn't get fresh air for 8 hours (and stingy eyes) and nothing you could do about it.

Big Fat Pink Elephant
May 22nd, 2003, 07:02 PM
... and i eat tiramisu coz it tastes good, not coz i need it.......:p

Big Fat Pink Elephant
May 22nd, 2003, 07:03 PM
Seriously? And where did they put the smokers then? Was there some kind of division? I remember in the old days, there was nothing, so if you had bad luck (which I always have) and ended up in the row in front of the smokers, you didn't get fresh air for 8 hours (and stingy eyes) and nothing you could do about it.
yes, they had divisions.

ys
May 22nd, 2003, 07:03 PM
If it is raining or -25, then you don't smoke... it's not something you really need to do. If I was at a restaurant with friends, I wouldn't do what annoys them if I don't really need it. You said yourself you smoke because it tastes good, not because you need it.

You don't like a smoke because you don't like it, not because you need it. Buy yourself a gas mask.

Giuliano
May 22nd, 2003, 07:10 PM
Your last sentence was sneaky, ys. *high-five*
Let's say that you annoy non-smokers and the only way they have to get back at you is to force you not to smoke. Seems fair enough.

Martian Mel
May 22nd, 2003, 07:10 PM
"As for the cigarettes being the best way to relax, it has never been proved that any components in them has any relaxing effect (that I know off). It's only the fact that you're breathing in a certain way that relaxes you."

who wants to listen to "components" when i can listen to my own mind? if i feel that a cig can calm my nerves, then it can! :p

So true!Julien i don't know if you ever have smoked but they DO have a relaxing effect!Belive me.. ;)

Giuliano
May 22nd, 2003, 07:12 PM
... and i eat tiramisu coz it tastes good, not coz i need it.......:p
Tiramisu doesn't annoy anyone directly. Smoke does annoy some :p. If smokers have the right to annoy non smokers, non smokers should have the right to annoy smokers without being nagged. :angel:

gentenaire
May 22nd, 2003, 07:13 PM
You don't like a smoke because you don't like it, not because you need it. Buy yourself a gas mask.

You don't like burglars, go live in a castle with a river around it, high walls, huge locks, don't expect the police to actually go after the burglars. Yes, let the 'offenders' do whatever they want, it's up to the 'victims' to change.

Big Fat Pink Elephant
May 22nd, 2003, 07:13 PM
you know that a world where EVERYONE is being conciderate and polite is impossible. ;) just look at this place :p

Martian Mel
May 22nd, 2003, 07:14 PM
lol i have no problems breathing..... are we forgetting that i practice yoga?! :p :angel:
But no way that i'll sit down at the library, starting to meditate infront of hundreds of ppl coz i'm stressed out about the exams... i just simply step outside with a marlboro lights.

EXACTLY! :worship: You know when i hade my exams ALL the smokers were so relaxed and not stressing at all...while all the non smokers were so affraid of failing and they were totally stressed out!That's says enough!Thank god for Marlboro! :worship: I would have been sooooo stressed and maybe too nervous to even think straight without my ciggies!

ys
May 22nd, 2003, 07:17 PM
You don't like burglars, go live in a castle with a river around it, high walls, huge locks, don't expect the police to actually go after the burglars. Yes, let the 'offenders' do whatever they want, it's up to the 'victims' to change.

I can live with that. Give me my weapons to defend and I would even wish for disbanding all police cause they are corrupted and useless anyway..

Martian Mel
May 22nd, 2003, 07:19 PM
Not quite as much as cigarettes that just vanish into thin hair. I'm not sure about the price of a pack of cigarettes but let's say a heavy smoker buys a pack which costs 4.50 (actually I'm quite sure it's more than that) everyday... at the end of the year, he could have saved more than 1600 :eek:. That's huge for something that has no utility.

Ciggies are 4.5 euro in france :eek: Oh my!And i though 'our' 3.20 was expensive.... :o Well i spend about 25 euro a week and it isn't a waste of money becoz i like ciggies..and if i wouldn't spend it on ciggies i would spend it on alcohol or other shit anyway :o

Giuliano
May 22nd, 2003, 07:19 PM
EXACTLY! :worship: You know when i hade my exams ALL the smokers were so relaxed and not stressing at all...while all the non smokers were so affraid of failing and they were totally stressed out!That's says enough!Thank god for Marlboro! :worship: I would have been sooooo stressed and maybe too nervous to even think straight without my ciggies!
Lol, I have never and will never smoke and I'm one of the less stressed-out person you could find before an exam.
Cigarettes have no direct effect on your level of stress. Athletes make respiratory exercises to relax. You could do the same and have the same result (of course you would get looks).

You can smoke because you like it but it has no utility ;).

ys
May 22nd, 2003, 07:21 PM
EXACTLY! :worship: You know when i hade my exams ALL the smokers were so relaxed and not stressing at all...while all the non smokers were so affraid of failing and they were totally stressed out!That's says enough!Thank god for Marlboro! :worship: I would have been sooooo stressed and maybe too nervous to even think straight without my ciggies!

It is a fact, yet well hidden, that smokers are calmer, perform better while under pressure. In uni cigs have always managed to get me thru any exams practically without nerves, and when you look calm and sure, professors take it as you have no worries and indeed know the stuff.. And as to health reasons.. Ask the French.. They are the most smoking nation in Europe, yet the healthiest.

Martian Mel
May 22nd, 2003, 07:22 PM
Thank you! If only all smokers were like you.

IMO, you can do anything you want at home, I don't care if people smoke or not, I do care when it's spoiling my dinner.

I smoke in smoking areas in restaurants so i'm not spoiling anyone's dinner and if somebody minds me smoking inside i'll go outside...I'm not some insensitive bitch!Ask Sarah...I stayed for 2.5 weeks at her place in Oz and she didn't want me to smoke inside....so i didn't!No probs!

Big Fat Pink Elephant
May 22nd, 2003, 07:22 PM
actually, the greek ppl is #1 in europe when it comes to smoking ;)

Martian Mel
May 22nd, 2003, 07:29 PM
actually, the greek ppl is #1 in europe when it comes to smoking ;)

Well i saw a programm on discovery and they said Greek people are one of the healthiest people on earth!Because of their good food and because they aren't so stressed *wonders why* ;)

Martian Mel
May 22nd, 2003, 07:30 PM
Lol, I have never and will never smoke and I'm one of the less stressed-out person you could find before an exam.
Cigarettes have no direct effect on your level of stress. Athletes make respiratory exercises to relax. You could do the same and have the same result (of course you would get looks).

You can smoke because you like it but it has no utility ;).

There are always exceptions! ;)

gentenaire
May 22nd, 2003, 07:33 PM
and I'd been told Belgians smoke the most.

I know quite a few smokers who're nervous the moment they finished their cig. One guy actually trembles, his hands shake when he's not holding a cig.

gentenaire
May 22nd, 2003, 07:34 PM
I smoke in smoking areas in restaurants so i'm not spoiling anyone's dinner and if somebody minds me smoking inside i'll go outside...I'm not some insensitive bitch!Ask Sarah...I stayed for 2.5 weeks at her place in Oz and she didn't want me to smoke inside....so i didn't!No probs!

What about restaurants that don't have seperate smoking/non-smoking areas?

Big Fat Pink Elephant
May 22nd, 2003, 07:36 PM
according to the info i read.. the belgians are ranked 5 in europe. i posted that in the old ciggie thread.. lol the one i started when the norwegian government passed the bill on banning smoking in all public places.. something i support actually.... but i'll proabably nag when they start to actually doing it--

Martian Mel
May 22nd, 2003, 07:38 PM
The two most notable ailments that have been linked with smoking
are lung cancer and heart disease. Statistically, smokers are at
increased risk for both of these, though not as much so as some of
the propaganda out there would suggest.

It is true that most smokers die of cancer or heart disease... but on
the other hand, so do most nonsmokers. Certain types of cancer or
heart disease are statistically more common in smokers or tend to
appear at earlier ages, but again, not as much as some Antismoking
propaganda would suggest.

;)

Martian Mel
May 22nd, 2003, 07:40 PM
What about restaurants that don't have seperate smoking/non-smoking areas?

Well the restaurants i go to all have seperate areas...I mean i live in Holland and we have good rules here...it's always seperate!Like in the trains/restaurants/even at work they have a special room for the smokers and another room for non smokers!

gentenaire
May 22nd, 2003, 07:54 PM
The two most notable ailments that have been linked with smoking
are lung cancer and heart disease. Statistically, smokers are at
increased risk for both of these, though not as much so as some of
the propaganda out there would suggest.

It is true that most smokers die of cancer or heart disease... but on
the other hand, so do most nonsmokers. Certain types of cancer or
heart disease are statistically more common in smokers or tend to
appear at earlier ages, but again, not as much as some Antismoking
propaganda would suggest.

;)

Did you ever see those lungs of a smoker in Corperwelt? Smoking is the biggest cause of early death in this country (along with traffic accidents).

ys
May 22nd, 2003, 07:58 PM
Did you ever see those lungs of a smoker in Corperwelt? Smoking is the biggest cause of early death in this country (along with traffic accidents).

It is only if combined with high consumptions of fat food, beer and low physical activity.

lakeway11
May 22nd, 2003, 11:09 PM
who wants to listen to "components" when i can listen to my own mind? if i feel that a cig can calm my nerves, then it can! :p

:sad:

Dava
May 22nd, 2003, 11:19 PM
If people smoke then people smoke, but it can be stupid. I remember going to my friends house and her friend would be there, and all 5 of them would light up and her Mum, and the kitchen (where food would be prepared) would be thick with smog, it was ewww!

But one person smoking a fag, I dont mind, the smell is okay (depending on the brand)

lakeway11
May 22nd, 2003, 11:26 PM
:) if anyone got into my car and lit up? they'd get thrown out real quick. even on the side of the freeway if need be. :)


hmmm, 'Diva...like that attitude :worship:

lakeway11
May 22nd, 2003, 11:32 PM
you know that a world where EVERYONE is being conciderate and polite is impossible. ;) just look at this place :p

yes, and u r the prime example :devil: :p

Sam L
May 23rd, 2003, 12:27 AM
Yeah, but light cigarettes are lower in tar and other chemicals. That's why they taste like shit.

They do not. They taste great. It's an acquired taste I'd say.

I just cut back from Marlboro Lights to Ultar Lights, trying to eventually 'ween' off of smoking...

Are ultra lights a brand under Marlboro too?

Also a girlfriend of mine smokes these really thin and small cigarettes. I can't remember the name but they're so light, but of course they're feminine and only for women, it has flowers on the pack for god's sake. Lol. But whenever I see her I try to borrow one off her. lol.

decemberlove
May 23rd, 2003, 12:31 AM
They do not. They taste great. It's an acquired taste I'd say.



Are ultra lights a brand under Marlboro too?

Also a girlfriend of mine smokes these really thin and small cigarettes. I can't remember the name but they're so light, but of course they're feminine and only for women, it has flowers on the pack for god's sake. Lol. But whenever I see her I try to borrow one off her. lol.

whenever i would smoke cigs, it would usually be marlboro lights. in my opinion, menthol [like newports] are more of an acquired taste than light. i think light tastes much better. thou im not really a smoker...

but yeah sam, ultra lights is also under marlboro

AjdeNate!
May 23rd, 2003, 03:31 AM
Sam, you're probably thinking of Capri or Misti. I have the same fetish for them too! :o

I only smoke when I'm online (like now) <puff, puff> or on my way to work to help prepare for the day ahead of me. (Oh, and when I'm really drunk) :)

Flatstat
May 23rd, 2003, 10:23 AM
Sam, you're probably thinking of Capri or Misti. I have the same fetish for them too! :o

I only smoke when I'm online (like now) <puff, puff> or on my way to work to help prepare for the day ahead of me. (Oh, and when I'm really drunk) :)

Got to keep the Jaw muscles in shape :kiss:

Big Fat Pink Elephant
May 23rd, 2003, 11:52 AM
lakeway... this is your 3 account or something??! :p

MarcusRock
May 23rd, 2003, 04:59 PM
I spent 21 years of my life hating the cigarettes of my parents. In my 22nd year I took up to it, too, just like my brother who started smoking in HS.

Well, now I can see the reason why people do smoke and what kinda effects it has on them. It is relaxing indeed.

It was my own decision to start, and I will quit when I decide to quit. Besides, I only smoke 4-5 or 6 a day. And I feel OK!!!Is there anyone you know who strongly objects to your taking up smoking? If so, who are they and what do they object to the most?

MarcusRock
May 23rd, 2003, 05:45 PM
what are you trying to say? that someone objects strongly to arwenita's smoking? are you hinting that they should mind their own business or something? why don't you just spit it out?Yes I am hinting that someone objects to arwenita's smoking and yes they should mind their own business. So there! ;)

MarcusRock
May 23rd, 2003, 05:50 PM
that's a pretty bold statement, marcus...a statement like that is sure to cause waves! :sad:so?

LOL.

MarcusRock
May 23rd, 2003, 05:55 PM
so basically you're throwing down the gauntlet, right? wow!That's right! Yeahhhhhh ..... ;)

MarcusRock
May 23rd, 2003, 05:59 PM
so basically you're calling out arwenita's smoking detractors?Damn right I am. Where are they? If they're man or woman enough, they'll show themselves in here. If not, then they're punks. Punks, I say!

MarcusRock
May 23rd, 2003, 06:01 PM
in my opinion, arwenita is damn lucky to have you have her back. but what would you say to these detractors of hers?Just let them show their faces here and they'll find out. Yeah .....

MarcusRock
May 23rd, 2003, 06:04 PM
can you at least give me an idea what your plans are for these ruffians?No.

LOL.

MarcusRock
May 23rd, 2003, 06:05 PM
can you at least give me an idea what your plans are for these ruffians?Seriously, if I did that, they'd be too scared to show themselves in here. Let them get in here first.

MarcusRock
May 23rd, 2003, 06:10 PM
so what you're saying is, that these detractors are chicken shit pussies? is that what you're really saying?Exactly.

MarcusRock
May 23rd, 2003, 06:12 PM
Mmm, there is someone who strongly objects to it, that is becuz he's an anti-smoke guy. But I can understand him. Like I said, I did not like smoking in the first place, either. I was not acting like him, nut I was anti. Now that I am neutral about it, I do not make any comments :) But thank you Marcus :)So how do you feel about this anti-smoke guy and his strong dislike for your smoking even though it's your life and you can do what yo want and here he is butting in and trying to run your life like he's greypig from the Bay Area?

MarcusRock
May 23rd, 2003, 06:13 PM
P.S. - how did Queen guy day go yesterday?

MarcusRock
May 23rd, 2003, 06:19 PM
greypig from the bay area is having a bbq this weekend...why don't you just stick to the subject? is grey pig the one who opposes all this smoking?From the looks of it, I think everyone opposes arwenita's smoking. Even the astronauts in the international space station have something to say on the matter. Just let them show their faces in here, I tells ya.

MarcusRock
May 23rd, 2003, 06:29 PM
The Queen guy seems to be over with me, since the night I saw him at the rock chorus concert of my school. He was way too excited about the 3 Queen songs (I want it all, Somebody to love and Fat-bottomed girls). He was jumping, dancing, playing his imaginary guitar, etc. I think he is way too immature for me, or I am maturer than I should be, lol.. Besides, he's too many girls around him. He came to the concert with a girl, then he was sitting with two other girls today. He does not need one more girl, I suppose...You can't give up arwenita. How do you know that once he gets to know you, he might decide that you're better to hang out with than those girls he's hanging out with now? Then you could teach him how to be mature and mold him into what you want :devil: Plus, I bet he won't mind that you've taken up smoking :D

MarcusRock
May 23rd, 2003, 06:31 PM
Marcus, why's this much hatred towards him? I always say that one should not be so strongly oinioned about somebody without knowing him better. So calm down!!

Well, I am rather disturbed about it but I choose to ignore it. I am way too tirec of going over things a million times. I have other things to worry about, like an MA degree, like my brother's getting a job asap, like finding a job (and a bf:)) Sometimes, one has to be indifferent, u know...

Btw, u 2 like chatting together a lot!!Yeah you're right. I need to calm down. DeuceDiva gets me all riled up sometimes. She's an instigator of sorts. but maybe if you talked about why you're disturbed over it, that might help. :wavey: