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Kris
May 18th, 2003, 06:30 PM
Hi

the Eurovision Contest will start in nearly 6 days!

Who will be the favourite to win?

What do you think about your entry?

What do you think about this event in general?

AND FINALLY WE WILL MAKE THE VOTES!
(Everybody please post your country and your votes for this contest!)

Example: I am in the German jury and I will vote for:

Ukraine 1 point
Rumania 2 points
Poland 3 points
Belgium 4 points
Bosnia-Hercegovina 5 points
United Kingdom 6 points
Sweden 7 points
Ireland 8 points
Spain 10 points
Netherlands 12 points

At the end we will have the official WTAWORLD voting for the contest!

Kris
May 18th, 2003, 06:31 PM
I think Russia, Spain and Netherlands have got the best chances!

Our entry Lou will have to sing very well to be in the top places

Kris
May 18th, 2003, 06:53 PM
Here is the picture of the setting 2003:

http://www.eurovisionsongcontest.de/nachrichten/topnews.jpg

Kris
May 18th, 2003, 06:56 PM
01. Rus 3/1 14. Fra 20/1
02. Spa 13/2 15. Ned 20/1
03. Let 9/1 16. Rum 33/1
04. Irl 9/1 17. Bih 33/1
05. Slo 10/1 18. Ukr 50/1
06. Isl 10/1 19. Mal 50/1
07. Nor 11/1 20. Bel 50/1
08. Est 12/1 21. Por 66/1
09. Deu 14/1 22. Pol 66/1
10. Gro 16/1 23. Zyp 66/1
11. Swe 16/1 24. Kro 66/1
12. Gri 16/1 25. Öst 66/1
13. Tur 20/1 26. Isr 80/1

Shedevil
May 18th, 2003, 07:19 PM
omg, setting looks kinda cliché :p
my guess is belgium will either suck tramendously or closely be in top 15 like last time.

Kris
May 18th, 2003, 07:51 PM
To make it easier for you - here is the entry list:

1 | Iceland Birgitta Haukdal Open your heart

2 | Austria Alf Poier Weil der Mensch zählt

3 | Ireland Mickey Harte We've got the world tonight

4 | Turkey Sertab Erener Every way that I can

5 | Malta Lynn Chircop To dream again

6 | Bosnia-Herzegovina Mija Martina Barbaric Ne brini

7 | Portugal Rita Guerra Deixa-me sonhar...

8 | Croatia Claudia Više nisam tvoja

9 | Cyprus Stelios Konstantas Feeling alive

10 | Germany Lou Let's get happy

11 | Russia Tatu Ne ver ne bojsia

12 | Spain Beth Dime

13 | Israel Lior Narkis Many words for love

14 | The Netherlands Esther Hart One more night

15 | United Kingdom Jemini Cry baby

16 | Ukraine Olexandr Ponomaryov Hasta la vista

17 | Greece Mando Never let you go

18 | Norway Jostein Hasselgård I'm not afraid to move on

19 | France Louisa Monts et merveilles

20 | Poland Ich Troje Zadnych granic

21 | Latvia Freimanis, Reiniks& Kay's Hello from mars

22 | Belgium Urban Trad Sanomi

23 | Estonia Rufus Eighties coming back

24 | Romania Nicola Don't break my heart

25 | Sweden Fame Give me your love

26 | Slovenia Karmen Stavec Nanana

Pdm1987
May 18th, 2003, 07:55 PM
Here are the votes from the United Kingdom Televote ;)

1 point: Malta
2 points: Israel
3 points: Greece
4 points: The Netherlands
5 points: Germany
6 points: Turkey
7 points: Slovenia
8 points: Latvia
10 points: Iceland
12 points: Bosnia-Herzegovina

thalle
May 18th, 2003, 07:57 PM
:bounce: t.A.T.u :bounce:

Nicoleke
May 18th, 2003, 08:14 PM
Here are the votes from the France Televote :

1 point: Belgium ;)
2 points: The united kingdown
3 points: Romania
4 points: Ireland
5 points: Spain
6 points: Ukraine
7 points: Turkey
8 points: Portugal
10 points: Malta
12 points: Iceland

Wimanna
May 18th, 2003, 08:22 PM
The show was great...blablablabla...and here are the results from the Belgian jury...

1 point: Ukraine
2 points: Estonia
3 points: Malta
4 points: Slovenia
4 points: Belgium
5 points: UK
6 points: Russia
7 points: Latvia
8 points: Sweden
10 points: The Netherlands
12 points: Spain

Nicoleke
May 18th, 2003, 08:40 PM
Vote France !

Darran
May 18th, 2003, 09:13 PM
Heres some other votes from the UK jury

1. Austria ;)
2. Iceland
3. Belgium
4. Romania
5. Norway
6. Germany
7. Netherlands
8. Greece
10. Turkey
12. Spain

BritneySpearsIsHot
May 18th, 2003, 09:14 PM
I will listen to them all soon, and vote :)

Dava
May 18th, 2003, 09:16 PM
I think Russia should walk away with this, but I hope they dont even thought the song is good. Putting a critically acclaimed act in deafeats the whole tackyness of Eurovision!

Iconoclast
May 18th, 2003, 09:22 PM
Review - and votes. ;)

Iceland - "Open Your Heart". Bland and harmless, and it never really takes off. Nonetheless a decent pop song, but a terrible draw will doom it. Iceland will be in serious danger of relegation if the rules aren't changed for next year's competition. The Nordic mafia has been losing authority in recent years. 4 of 10.

Austria - "Weil der Mensch zählt". "Whoever votes for me is against being standardised and cemented into the ‘European banality’". Perhaps - but they are also without any musical taste whatsoever. The Eurovision is not the place for political statements. Especially not when they sound as horrible as this. A big, round zero on the score sheet should be the reward. 1 of 10.

Ireland - "We've Got the World Tonight". You don't even have Europe! Ireland tries the old receipe, submitting a male vocalist with a 'balladish' item, but Johnny Logan is in rehab. And we just don't care anymore. 3 of 10.

Turkey - "Everyway that I can". In a bid to entice listeners, Turkey has consistently toned down the ethnic elements of their entries. This dreadful attempt at contemporary pop makes me miss the old days. As a minimum, I would have preferred a Turkish version of the song. 4 of 10.

Malta - "To Dream Again". Malta's 7th Wonder was robbed of victory last year by Latvia's Ricky Martin-wannabe striptease act. They opted for another young female vocalist with a cute song. Unfortunately, this one is only half as good and does not stand out in any particular way. An in-offensive, bottom-scraper. 5 of 10.

Bosnia-Hercegovina - "Ne brini (Could It Be)". Splendid vocal performance, but the material for Eurovision glory isn't there. Has the spice to finish in the middle section, but Mija Martina is not likely to carry it further than that. 6 of 10.

Portugal "Deixa-me sonhar (So mais uma vez) (Keep the Dream Alive)". Despite trying very hard, Portugal has a habit of entering musical catastrophies. In a field of English-language, generic, upbeat pop this one stands out refreshingly well. But even with a heavy dose of make-up, Rita will have a hard time attracting the attention of the fickle European viewing corps with this slow item. 6 of 10.

Croatia - "Vise nisam tvoja (I Can’t Be Your Lover)". Croatian teen sensation Claudia Beni with a bombastic song that works well enough to steer her country into the Top 10. Will have difficulty vying for top honors because of the draw. 6 of 10.

Cyprus - "Feeling Alive". Sigh - finally another male vocalist. Ex-footballing hunk Stelios Constantas will undoubtedly appeal to the female viewership with this enticing, Mediterreanean melody. Malta tried something similar in 2001 (Fabrizio Faniello) and reached 9th place. The Cyprotic entry 2003 is better. 7 of 10.

Germany - "Let's Get Happy". Awfully close to tackiness with the title, but it's a damn fun song. The chorus is not insanely brilliant, but Lou pulls off the verses tremendously well. I really like the drive and speed of the song. One of the best ever German entries. And who would have guessed - a Ralph Siegel production! My outright favorite. 9 of 10.

Russia "Ne verj, ne boisja". I wrongly assumed that the teen-nympho, pseudo-Lesbian hype would show up with a plain bad song, hoping to cash in on name recognition. This thing is surprisingly in Russian and actually highly 'listenable'. Past 2 minutes it gets a bit irksome, but their stage performance may do the job. In the running for first place. 7 of 10.

Spain - "Dime (Tell Me)". Spain has traditionally struggled with their entries. Expectations for Rosa's celebration were high last year, but the European televoters weren't convinced. Beth - another 4-letter female - has a much less cheasy song to work with in 2003. Well-composed pop without any novel elements. Will make a mark without seriously challenging for the gold medal. 6 of 10.

Israel - "Words for Love". Pleasant, fast-moving beat from an experienced Israeli performer. Last year's beautiful peace hymn wasn't awarded at the box office. This one might be. Cause it's fun. And how about those chicks? 6 of 10.

Netherlands - "One More Night". What separates this from the rest? Virtually nothing. But the draw might help it along. And Esther Hart's vocal is shiningly bright. Should be enough for a Top 10 finish. 6 of 10.

United Kingdom - "Cry Baby". Modern, upbeat thing from a traditional Eurovision powerhouse. Has a nice transition in the beginning of the third minute to keep the listener interested - despite an obscene number of repetitions. I find it moderately annoying, but it's probably a top-contender. 5 of 10.

Ukraine - "Hasta la Vista". Ukraine pops up for the first time and immediately says "see you later"! The chorus sounds slightly odd, but that can only be a benefit in the ESC. Will attract plenty of votes from the powerful friends in the Baltic-Eastern mafia. And probably enough for Top 10. 6 of 10.

Greece - "Never Let You Go". Greece doesn't appear to have fully recuperated after losing out in 2001 with the excellent "Die for you" by Antique and then going for broke with my 2002-favorite "S.A.G.A.P.O" which was broadly despised. Mando needs to pull in votes with her charisma, this song won't earn her much. 3 of 10.

Norway - "I'm Not Afraid To Move On". Heartthrob Jostein's love ballad is nothing short of remarkable. Catchy tune - and please check out his hair. Hopefully a Top 3 finish for Norway. But last time I crossed my fingers for a Norwegian ballad (Haldor's "On my own", 2001), they got relegated. 8 of 10.

France - "Monts et merveilles (The Moon and The Stars)". Not quite France as we have gotten to know and love them in the Eurovision. Cough. This song is much more energetic, varied, and up-tempo than usual. Still a female, though. One step at a time. 6 of 10.

Poland - "Keine Grenzen". A Polish entry partly in German!? And the guy is groaning? The male/female duet gig has never really worked in the Eurovision. It won't this time either. 5 of 10.

Latvia - "Hello From Mars". Extremely well-produced submission with a catchy title. Duets may suck, but this trio is hot. If you want some extra money for the summer holidays, run to the bookies and bet on this. Positive tune, perfect draw, host nation, lots of friends with voting rights. The winning combo. 7 of 10.

Belgium - "Sanomi". Pleasant, folksy entry in same vain as ESC-legend "Nocturne". A tad bit too repetititous and not likely to score with the fun-loving viewer segment. Nonetheless, an original item in a sea of Beckham shirts. Should avoid relegation. 7 of 10.

Estonia - "Eighties Coming Back". Doesn't sound quintessential 80s to me, as it lacks the synth element. But it's catchy as hell and more proof that the Baltic states have a killer hand when drafting Eurovision hits. A front-runner for sure. 7 of 10.

Romania - "Don't Break My Heart". Romania has come a long away since they first gained entry into the Eurovision. Remember the slightly obese women in night gowns spilling their guts in slow-motion. Speedy, modern tune that gets the job done this time. But not a real contender. 6 of 10.

Sweden - "Give Me Your Love". I tipped Sweden and Afrodite to sweep the ESC-crown last year. They failed miserably. Their 2001 entry, another ABBA carbon copy, is very similar to this one. We've seen too much of this, the viewers won't buy. However, if they put Agnetha back on stage... 5 of 10.

Slovenija - "Nanana". She's not Nusa Derenda. And her song is not "Energy". For those reasons Slovenia won't get anywhere with this attempt. Dull and unoriginal. 4 of 10.

My votes:

12 Germany
10 Norway
8 Latvia
7 Russia
6 Estonia
5 Belgium
4 Cyprus
3 France
2 Romania
1 Ukraine

But who will win?

Latvia, most likely, or Estonia. Possibly Russia. Germany's draw is too difficult with so many strong tunes in the bottom half. And ballads just don't seem to cut it (Norway).

Seles_Beckham
May 18th, 2003, 11:54 PM
1 point: Estonia
2 points: Malta
3 points: Slovenia
4 points: Belgium
5 points: UK
6 points: Russia
7 points: Latvia
8 points: Icleand
10 points:Turkey
12 points: Bosnia

Kris
May 19th, 2003, 06:45 AM
bump

I will update the standings today!

Dava
May 19th, 2003, 01:22 PM
Just heard the german entry!!

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLO LOLOLOLOLOL

Nacho
May 19th, 2003, 02:15 PM
Buenas noches! Here are the votes from Spanish Televote *cough*

Germany 1 point
France 2 points
Malta 3 points
Cyprus 4 points
Iceland 5 points
Ukraine 6 points
Sweden 7 points
Russia 8 points
Latvia 10 points
and finally... United Kingdom 12 points!!!

Princess Fiona
May 19th, 2003, 02:28 PM
:wavey:

Kris, I am sorry but I haven't heard all of the songs... My votes to come!! But to answer your questions...

Who will be the favourite to win? I'm guessing Russia...

What do I think about my entry? I think the UK entry is awful!! :o (Sorry!!)

What do I think about the event in general? I love to watch it... :)

Good luck to UK and other countries... :)

Tweety
May 19th, 2003, 05:34 PM
*bump*

Kris
May 19th, 2003, 05:51 PM
Votes so far:

Germany (Kris/matthias...):

1 point: Ukraine/Netherlands
2 points: Romania/Austria
3 points: Poland/Israel
4 points: Belgium/Ireland
5 points: Bosnia-Hercegovina/Spain
6 points: United Kingdom/Romania
7 points: Sweden/Turkey
8 points: Ireland/Ukraine
10 points: Spain/Iceland
12 points: Netherlands/France

TOTAL VOTE FOR GERMANY:

1 point: United Kingdom
2 points: Turkey
3 points: Sweden
4 points: Romania
5 points: Ukraine
6 points: Iceland
7 points: Ireland
8 points: France
10 points: Netherlands
12 points: Spain


United Kingdom (Pdm1987/Latimerontheloose/...):

1 point: Malta/Austria
2 points: Israel/Iceland
3 points: Greece/Belgium
4 points: The Netherlands/Romania
5 points: Germany/Norway
6 points: Turkey/Germany
7 points: Slovenia/Netherlands
8 points: Latvia/Greece
10 points: Iceland/Turkey
12 points: Bosnia-Herzegovina/Spain

TOTAL VOTE FOR UNITED KINGDOM:

1 point: Romania
2 points: Slovenia
3 points: Latvia
4 points: Germany
5 points: Greece
6 points: Iceland
7 points: Spain
8 points: Bosnia
10 points: Netherlands
12 points: Turkey


France (Nicoleke/...):

1 point: Belgium
2 points: The United kingdown
3 points: Romania
4 points: Ireland
5 points: Spain
6 points: Ukraine
7 points: Turkey
8 points: Portugal
10 points: Malta
12 points: Iceland


Belgium (wimanna/...):

1 point: Ukraine
2 points: Estonia
3 points: Malta
4 points: Slovenia
5 points: UK
6 points: Russia
7 points: Latvia
8 points: Sweden
10 points: The Netherlands
12 points: Spain


??? (Iconoclast/Seles_Beckham/...):

1 point: Ukraine/Estonia
2 points: Romania/Malta
3 points: France/Slovenia
4 points: Cyprus/Belgium
5 points: Belgium/UK
6 points: Estonia/Russia
7 points: Russia/Latvia
8 points: Latvia/Iceland
10 points: Norway/Turkey
12 points: Germany/Bosnia

TOTAL VOTE FOR ???:

1 point: Cyprus
2 points: United Kingdom
3 points: Iceland
4 points: Belgium
5 points: Turkey
6 points: Norway
7 points: Bosnia
8 points: Germany
10 points: Russia
12 points: Latvia


Spain (TOT/...):

1 point: Germany
2 points: France
3 points: Malta
4 points: Cyprus
5 points: Iceland
6 points: Ukraine
7 points: Sweden
8 points: Russia
10 points: Latvia
12 points: United Kingdom

please tell me the country - and remember you can not vote for your own country ;)!

- the votes for the jury were made after the "phone systeme" - the entry with the most points got the first place and so on.

Nicoleke
May 19th, 2003, 06:18 PM
:wavey:

Kris, I am sorry but I haven't heard all of the songs... My votes to come!! But to answer your questions...

Who will be the favourite to win? I'm guessing Russia...

What do I think about my entry? I think the UK entry is awful!! :o (Sorry!!)

What do I think about the event in general? I love to watch it... :)

Good luck to UK and other countries... :)
Awfull, that' s the right word ;). My two points are for you, my friend :) :D :) :D ;) !!!!!

matthias
May 19th, 2003, 06:25 PM
okay i will vote now

1point = Netherlands
2 points = Austria
3 points = Israel
4 points = Ireland
5 points = Spain
6 points = Romania
7 points = Turkey
8 points = Ucraine
10 points = Iceland
12 points = France

Kris
May 19th, 2003, 06:25 PM
STANDINGS AFTER matthias' vote - please remember the point systeme!


1.)Latvia 32
2.)Spain 31
3.)Netherlands 30
4.)Russia 24
5.)United Kingdom 20
5.)Iceland 20
7.)Turkey 19
7.)Sweden 19
9.)Bosnia 15
10.)Germany 13
11.)Ukraine 12
12.)France 10
13.)Ireland 7
14.)Slovenia 6
14.)Norway 6
14.)Malta 6
17.)Cyprus 5
17.)Greece 5
17.)Romania 5
20.)Belgium 4
21.)Estonia 2
22.)Austria 0
23.)Slovenia 0
24.)Portugal 0
25.)Croatia 0
26.)Israel 0

matthias
May 19th, 2003, 06:26 PM
i think the favorit is SWEDEN, because the song is sot typical ESC and with the late number.......

about german song........very annyoing

i love to watch it, and i still hope for a german win (anytime)

Wimanna
May 19th, 2003, 06:30 PM
Kris, I'm from Belgium, check my post, cuz I had to change some points ;)

Nicoleke
May 19th, 2003, 06:35 PM
okay i will vote now

1point = Netherlands
2 points = Austria
3 points = Israel
4 points = Ireland
5 points = Spain
6 points = Romania
7 points = Turkey
8 points = Ucraine
10 points = Iceland
12 points = France
Great marks :) :D :) :D ;) !!!!!

matthias
May 19th, 2003, 06:59 PM
www.esctoday.com has many news about the rehearsal´s (spelling?)

gentenaire
May 19th, 2003, 07:15 PM
Sweden is terrible!! Ugh! Austria...LMAO!!!

Usually countries that come near the end get a higher score. And it'll be political game again, as usual.

Pdm1987
May 19th, 2003, 07:16 PM
http://www.livejournal.com/users/oneurope/
has reports on the rehearsals

Kris
May 19th, 2003, 07:40 PM
bump

Kris
May 19th, 2003, 07:43 PM
thanks for the links - can you please tell me more?

Kris
May 19th, 2003, 08:10 PM
some more votes, please ;)

Kris
May 19th, 2003, 08:31 PM
Some pictures of the rehearsals:

Germany: http://www.ogae.de/esc/2003/forumrigaimages/59.jpg

Croatia: http://www.ogae.de/esc/2003/forumrigaimages/56.jpg

Bosnia: http://www.ogae.de/esc/2003/forumrigaimages/46.jpg

Malta: http://www.ogae.de/esc/2003/forumrigaimages/44.jpg

Turkey: http://www.ogae.de/esc/2003/forumrigaimages/37.jpg

Ireland: http://www.ogae.de/esc/2003/forumrigaimages/32.jpg

Austria: http://www.ogae.de/esc/2003/forumrigaimages/30.jpg

Island: http://www.ogae.de/esc/2003/forumrigaimages/29.jpg

Nicoleke
May 19th, 2003, 08:54 PM
Can you " post " pictures for France ?

gmt
May 19th, 2003, 09:23 PM
Who will be the favourite to win?
I don't know. Russia is the huge favourite but I think that it will finish 2nd.

What do you think about your entry?
I love it. It won't win. It should end up somewhere between #6 and #26 :rolleyes:

What do you think about this event in general?
It's kitsch, it isn't half as good as it used to be, but I have missed it only once in the last 27 years :o

AND FINALLY WE WILL MAKE THE VOTES!
(Everybody please post your country and your votes for this contest!)
Well, I am French, so here is the second vote for the Frrrench jurrry http://perso.club-internet.fr/ttle/tennis/frwink.gif (Seles_Beckham, since you cannot vote for your own country, why wouldn't you give 12 points to France? ;))

Slovenia Karmen Stavec Nanana
Cyprus Stelios Konstantas Feeling alive
Ireland Mickey Harte We've got the world tonight
Bosnia-Herzegovina Mija Martina Barbaric Ne brini
Sweden Fame Give me your love
Belgium Urban Trad Sanomi
United Kingdom Jemini Cry baby
Croatia Claudia Više nisam tvoja
Germany Lou Let's get happy
Latvia Freimanis, Reiniks & Kay's Hello from mars
Austria Alf Poier Weil der Mensch zählt
Iceland Birgitta Haukdal Open your heart
Malta Lynn Chircop To dream again
Romania Nicola Don't break my heart
1 pt to The Netherlands Esther Hart One more night
2 pts to Spain Beth Dime
3 pts to Portugal Rita Guerra Deixa-me sonhar...
4 pts to Estonia Rufus Eighties coming back
5 pts to Ukraine Olexandr Ponomaryov Hasta la vista
6 pts to Poland Ich Troje Zadnych granic
7 pts to Israel Lior Narkis Many words for love
8 pts to Norway Jostein Hasselgård I'm not afraid to move on
10 pts to Russia Tatu Ne verj ne bojsia
12 pts to Greece Mando Never let you go

(Funny how the Greek and Romanian entries start with the same melodic design!)

And so here is the provisional vote of the French jury, adding Nicoleke's and my own rather diverging points ;):

1/2/3 points: Israel, Spain & Turkey
4 points: Norway
5/6 points: Malta & Russia
7/8 points: Portugal & Ukraine
10/12 points: Greece & Iceland

gmt
May 19th, 2003, 09:29 PM
Nicoleke, you should rank the 15 songs you didn't give points to (except France of course), so that we can try and get rid of the ex-aequo's :D My list above goes from my least to my most favourite song.

Xian
May 19th, 2003, 09:35 PM
hello Riga this is Vienna calling
here are the results from the Austrian jury

btw the austrian song is great, not cause im from Austria but its not a song with all the shit I love you , cant stop thinking of you, miss you so much, tears in my eyes, I bet in 90 percent of the songs you will find those phrases buaaahhhh :(

Malta 1 point
Ukraine 2 points
United Kingdom 3 points
France 4 points
Sweden 5 points
Slovenia 6 points
Norway 8 points
Latvia 10 points
and finally
Belgium 12 points

Russia minus 12 points for a really bad song with really reminds me of a song I heard the last months in radio let my think oh wasnt it All the things she said ;)

Jakub
May 19th, 2003, 09:36 PM
Thanks gmt, finally some points to Poland :p

Kris, there is a mistake in rank. #23 Slovenia should be changed to Poland ;)

POLISH jury will vote tomorrow :)

gmt
May 19th, 2003, 09:46 PM
You're welcome Jakub, the Polish entry actually reminds me of some good Italian songs from 20 years ago http://perso.club-internet.fr/ttle/tennis/plwink.gif

Fieke
May 19th, 2003, 10:20 PM
Who will be the favourite to win?
Russia (Unfortunately :sad: )

What do you think about your entry?
I honestly don't know. At first I didn't like it, but it has grown on me.

What do you think about this event in general?
I love it! The kitch, the clichés... :hearts: I liked it better before the free language rule though

These are the votes from the Belgian jury.
12 points: Turkey
10 points: B&H
8 points: Romania
7 points: Spain
6 points: UK
5 points: Austria
4 points: Iceland
3 points: Croatia
2 points: Norway
1 point: Russia

JoeyWinson3.0
May 19th, 2003, 11:30 PM
I don't quite get why you people are listening to the songs before the big night. To me that ruins the excitement of it all...

I've not even heard ours yet... they were on the Saturday Show on Saturday (obviously) and I put mute on... well cos I was listening to the radio at the time too.

I bet pseudo lesbian chipmunks on helium will win tho.

Dava
May 19th, 2003, 11:32 PM
If you are from the UK Joey, the song is crap, but the girl in the group is fit!!! Also th video is probably the worst video I have ever seen, it look like it was made in 1982!

BritneySpearsIsHot
May 19th, 2003, 11:36 PM
It's all political, neighbours being all matey with each other and this year Russia walking it by using well known artistes. Even though it's not against the rules, it's against morality, not that it seems Russia has any.

Next year

Robbie Williams sings for the UK
Air perform for France
Scooter for Germany
and Tony Drago singing a snooker song for Malta :confused:

BritneySpearsIsHot
May 19th, 2003, 11:37 PM
If you are from the UK Joey, the song is crap, but the girl in the group is fit!!! Also th video is probably the worst video I have ever seen, it look like it was made in 1982!

Are they bro and sis hence Jemini?

They look similar to me, which one is the girl? ;)

Dava
May 19th, 2003, 11:38 PM
Scooter for Germany can you imagine!!LOL!
How about Rowan Keating for Boyzone, or perhaps Kim and Justine could take time out to do a duet for Belgium!!

BritneySpearsIsHot
May 19th, 2003, 11:53 PM
Cheeky Girls for Romania
2Unlimited for Holland
Las Ketchup for Spain
A-ha for Norway
Aqua for Denmark

Could be an 'interesting' show

Dava
May 19th, 2003, 11:56 PM
2Unlimited are now 2 girls arent they?

How about some Danish rap, I thought it was supposed to be the nexy big thing 4 years ago, but it dissappeared without trace. Who remembers Los Umbrellos!!

BritneySpearsIsHot
May 19th, 2003, 11:58 PM
2unlimited are now 2 girls?

Don't remember Los Umbrellos..............but maybe Bjork could represent Iceland

propi
May 19th, 2003, 11:58 PM
As TOT was very alone in here the SPANISH jury gives more points:
1p France
2p Greece
3p Portugal
4p Ukrania
5p UK
6p Latvia
7p Iceland
8p Germany
10p Russia
12p Malta

Dava
May 20th, 2003, 12:01 AM
2unlimited are now 2 girls?

Don't remember Los Umbrellos..............but maybe Bjork could represent Iceland

She would have to do one of her more chessy number though, Bjork is to CA for Eurovision. Mind you she would get 12 from France, so she would not get nil poit.

JoeyWinson3.0
May 20th, 2003, 12:02 AM
Dava - Well I said I had it on mute, but yeah the lass is pretty fit, gotta admit that.

I'm well chuffed I've got the night off work for it tho... get a few beers in, some snacks, top night in.

By the way if Scooter did have a Eurovision entry one of the lyrics would probably be..

"YES! WE ARE NOT THE PIGEON.... BUT THIS IS EUROVISION... ARRRGH!"

BritneySpearsIsHot
May 20th, 2003, 12:03 AM
Scooters lyrics are great, comical value, very high

Maybe the UK could get Lolly to come out of retirement......................

Dava
May 20th, 2003, 12:08 AM
For Scooter how about

THIS IS EURO SONG...COME OOOOOOOOONNN!!!!

CAN YOU SEE THE SNOW...TO LATVIA WE GO

SIBERIA ARE NOT IN EUROVISION...BUT LETS NOT DESTROY THE ...VISIOOOOOOOOOOOONNNN

I actually think Lolly would be too much, perhps Steps but not Lolly.

JoeyWinson3.0
May 20th, 2003, 12:40 AM
"This one's going out to everyone in Riga,
We're more than eager!

SCOOTER, HERE WE GO!

Eurosong dinga ding ding dong,
In the place to be,
In Latvia, we're comin at ya,
People can you see!

Yeeah!

(Breakdown into speeded up chipmunk style vocal of Carpenters "Close to You")

Ladies and Gentlemen!
I am the sonic lecturer,
I am no texturer,
Sounds of the funfair!
Put your hands above your hair!
Scooter!
Yeeeeeah!

(Why do birds suddenly appear...)

WHY DO BIRDS, SUDDENLY APPEAR!
COME ON LET ME HEAR!
WE ARE HERE TO REDUCE THE ARREAR...
ARRRRGH!

Yes! We are not the platypus!
But we're on the bus!
To be the best,
Scooter equals success...

ARRRGH!

JoeyWinson3.0
May 20th, 2003, 12:45 AM
I once saw Lolly "perform".. "live" at Time Nightclub in Derby at an under 18s night. She was doing that Viva La Radio track. It wasnt my fault she was there... although it was my fault I was there. She was presenting CBBC for a bit wasnt she...

Kris
May 20th, 2003, 08:42 AM
bump ;)

I will update votes soon..., so you have got still time to vote!

Kris
May 20th, 2003, 08:47 AM
New pictures:

Netherlands http://www.ogae.de/esc/2003/forumrigaimages/80.jpg

Great Britain http://www.ogae.de/esc/2003/forumrigaimages/84.jpg

per4ever
May 20th, 2003, 08:53 AM
Belgium calling once again :o

1. Russia
2. Greece
3. Croatia
4. Germany
5.The Netherlands
6. Malta
7. Iceland
8. Spain
10. Norway
12. Roumenia

Xian
May 20th, 2003, 09:33 AM
lets bet
Greece gives Cyprus 12 points and Cyprus Greece
Spain and Portugal
Slovenia and Croatia or BH
Latvia and Russia and Estonia
Ireland and UK
Danmark and Norway
Turkey and Germany

Fieke
May 20th, 2003, 09:59 AM
LMAO Joey :D You should be offered a job as Scooter's personal song writer ;)

Pdm1987
May 20th, 2003, 10:02 AM
The UK will give Ireland about 10 points but Ireland will give nothing to the UK.The Balkans are becoming less into their neighbourly voting and spread their votes around more fairly, but there's still a hint of neighbours voting for each other going on. But the worst area for neighbourly voting has got to be the Baltics and Scandinavia. And France usually gives high marks to Israel and Portugal ;) You've been warned

m_pierce fan
May 20th, 2003, 10:31 AM
These are the votes from FRENCH jury:
1 point ---> Russia
2 points --> Estonia
3 points --> Portugal
4 points --> Sweden
5 points --> Slovenia
6 points --> Norway
7 points --> Iceland
8 points --> United Kingdom
9 points --> Ireland
10 points -> Spain
AND FINALLY THE 12 POINTS GOES TO TURKEY !!

Cersei
May 20th, 2003, 10:38 AM
"This one's going out to everyone in Riga,
We're more than eager!

SCOOTER, HERE WE GO!

Eurosong dinga ding ding dong,
In the place to be,
In Latvia, we're comin at ya,
People can you see!

Yeeah!

(Breakdown into speeded up chipmunk style vocal of Carpenters "Close to You")

Ladies and Gentlemen!
I am the sonic lecturer,
I am no texturer,
Sounds of the funfair!
Put your hands above your hair!
Scooter!
Yeeeeeah!

(Why do birds suddenly appear...)

WHY DO BIRDS, SUDDENLY APPEAR!
COME ON LET ME HEAR!
WE ARE HERE TO REDUCE THE ARREAR...
ARRRRGH!

Yes! We are not the platypus!
But we're on the bus!
To be the best,
Scooter equals success...

ARRRGH!
lmao :worship: classic ;)

didn't hear all the songs yet, so this Belgian Jury will come back

Kris
May 20th, 2003, 10:44 AM
Greece http://www.ogae.de/esc/2003/forumrigaimages/93.jpg

Ukraine http://www.ogae.de/esc/2003/forumrigaimages/88.jpg

Kris
May 20th, 2003, 10:46 AM
Can you " post " pictures for France ?

sure :)

danra
May 20th, 2003, 10:54 AM
I've only just realised that I'm gonna miss this!
I'll be at Homelands!
Will send positive energies whilst totally off it to Jacques Le Cont, Too Many DJs, Paul Oakenfold....

Good Luck GB!

Darran
May 20th, 2003, 10:55 AM
M-pierce fan.. there are no 9 points awarded.

It goes 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,10,12

Dizzy Miss Lizzy
May 20th, 2003, 11:48 AM
Here are the votes from the queen of Belgium ;)

Austria 1 point (and the award for joke of the festival) ;)
Sweden 2 points
Turkey 3 points
Israel 4 points
The Netherlands 5 points
Spain 6 points
France 7 points
Iceland 8 points
Roumenia 10 points
Norway 12 points :hearts:

~*Alma*~
May 20th, 2003, 12:03 PM
2unlimited are now 2 girls?

Don't remember Los Umbrellos..............but maybe Bjork could represent Iceland
2unlimited always used to be a girl and a boy (Ray and Anita), they broke up and will never work together again. I dunno about 2unlimited being to girls now. We haven't heard from 2u in 7 years or so

JoeyWinson3.0
May 20th, 2003, 12:12 PM
I've only just realised that I'm gonna miss this!
I'll be at Homelands!
Will send positive energies whilst totally off it to Jacques Le Cont, Too Many DJs, Paul Oakenfold....

Good Luck GB!

Lucky sod :mad:

Kris
May 20th, 2003, 12:23 PM
Norway: http://www.ogae.de/esc/2003/forumrigaimages/97.jpg

aliceb
May 20th, 2003, 12:50 PM
My Votes

France - 1 point
Poland - 2
Belgium - 3
Russia - 4
Iceland - 5
Bosnia - 6
Ukraine - 7
Estonia - 8
Germany - 10
Norway - 12 points!!

I wouldn't have the UK in my top 10 even if I could, although I do quite like it (I think the standard is much higher this year)

I have Ukraine each way at 80-1, but I think either Latvia or Russia will win.

When does our prediction game start this year??

gentenaire
May 20th, 2003, 12:52 PM
More votes from the Belgian jury:

1 point: Spain
2 points: Germany
3 points: Israel
4 points: Russia
5 points: Romania
6 points: Austria
7 points: Norway
8 points: France
10 points: Ireland
12 points: Turkey

propi
May 20th, 2003, 12:59 PM
Please a pic of lovely Beth i.e. Spain:bounce:

JoeyWinson3.0
May 20th, 2003, 01:26 PM
Of course, we all know the best Eurovision entry ever is Mil Etter Mil (Mile after mile) by Jahn Tiegen of Norway...

Well worth downloading the video of that if you can find it.

Cersei
May 20th, 2003, 01:30 PM
more votes from Belgium ;)

1 point: Iceland
2 points: Austria
3 points: Malta
4 points: Ireland
5 points: Turkey
6 points: The Netherlands
7 points: Greece
8 points: France
10 points:Spain
12 points: Russia

Iconoclast
May 20th, 2003, 05:43 PM
The political voting is actually very limited. Almost all countries have now adopted televoting. I fail to see how you can coordinate any kind of political voting with this system.

And in the last couple of years, the winning songs were broadly endorsed in all of Europe. North to South, East to West. Malta is not part of the Baltic-Scandinavian mafia I suspect.

But of course, neighbours are more inclined to vote for each other. Perhaps because of a shared taste in music or a general sympathy. But experiences in recent years have shown that in the end it comes down to the quality of the song (unlike in the all-jury days where that wasn't always the case).

Of course, televoting opens the gates for the expatriate vote (Turks in Germany, Russians in the Baltic states etc.). But that doesn't seem to have affected the outcome in the previous years.

gmt
May 20th, 2003, 05:49 PM
It has. Portugal was heading to a nice big fat 0 when France gave them 12 points :D The song was worth more than 0, but hardly 12 from one and the same country ;)

Iconoclast
May 20th, 2003, 05:54 PM
Yup, Jahn Teigen is quite special. That song, and the resulting nil points and clear last place, made him as popular in Norway as David Beckham in England after the 1998 World Cup.

Another Eurovision classic is Germany's "Dschingis Khan" from 1979. A musical tribute to one of the greatest mass murderers and allround bandits in world history.

The song is actually pretty good - I have it on a compilation (it's a Ralph Siegel, of course). But I believe their stage performance was something else. However, I can't seem to find the RealPlayer clip any longer. Incidentally, the band - which is also called Dschinghis Khan(!) - still exists.

Spain's 1983 entry - some angry-looking woman yelling profusely but actually pretending to sing - is another gem from the cheasure chest that is the Eurovision Song Contest.

Iconoclast
May 20th, 2003, 06:01 PM
Why listen to the songs in advance of the competition, someone asked? Good question.

In my case, I want to assure that I get to hear all songs and fully enjoy them. It goes by so quickly on Eurovision night and I may miss some of them for various reasons, some of which possibly relating to the consumption of ethanol-based products.

It's also interesting to see how well your faves hold up on the night. And to know exactly when to pay full attention.

Sue
May 20th, 2003, 06:04 PM
hey i'm glad some people in here like Greece's song, I like it a lot! I'm from Cyprus but i don't like our song much. anyway i haven't heard all of the songs so i will try and go over to the official site to to listen to them and then vote.

good luck Greece and Cyprus! :)

gentenaire
May 20th, 2003, 06:37 PM
But that doesn't seem to have affected the outcome in the previous years.

Have we been watching the same contest?

Kris
May 20th, 2003, 06:42 PM
bump - the votes will updated in 1 hour!

Kris
May 20th, 2003, 06:47 PM
More pictures:

Estonia: http://www.ogae.de/esc/2003/forumrigaimages/118.jpg

Belgium: http://www.ogae.de/esc/2003/forumrigaimages/114.jpg

Russia: http://www.ogae.de/esc/2003/forumrigaimages/108.jpg

Poland: http://www.ogae.de/esc/2003/forumrigaimages/103.jpg

Kris
May 20th, 2003, 06:49 PM
France: http://www.ogae.de/esc/2003/forumrigaimages/103.jpg

Norway: http://www.ogae.de/esc/2003/forumrigaimages/97.jpg

Kris
May 20th, 2003, 06:51 PM
Please a pic of lovely Beth i.e. Spain:bounce:
just look on the first two pages!

Iconoclast
May 20th, 2003, 06:53 PM
Have we been watching the same contest?
We are discussing the European Tractor Pulling Championships, right?

No, honestly, do you recall any Turkish victories in recent years, delivered by their sizable expatriate community around Europe? Or Bosnian for that sake? Or even Russian (large minorities in the Baltic states for instance)?

Sure, it has garnered them votes - but not too any significant degree. At least not enough to decide the outcome. Which was my point.

Kris
May 20th, 2003, 07:02 PM
I forgot to post Spain - sorry

Spain: http://www.ogae.de/esc/2003/forumrigaimages/66.jpg

please tell me which country is still left!

propi
May 20th, 2003, 08:01 PM
just look on the first two pages!
I forgot to post Spain - sorry

:p :p :p :p :p

Kris
May 20th, 2003, 08:24 PM
Here is the updated ranking:

STANDINGS AFTER Crazy MeliS' (Ned) vote - please remember the point systeme!

1.)Norway 56
2.)Iceland 47
3.)Spain 44
4.)Russia 42
5.)Turkey 36
6.)Latvia 34
7.)Germany 28
8.)Netherlands 25
9.)United Kingdom 23
9.)France 23
11.)Romania 22
12.)Ukraine 18
12.)Ireland 18
14.)Bosnia-Hercegovina 17
14.)Belgium 17
14.)Malta 17
17.)Sweden 15
18.)Greece 10
19.)Croatia 7
19.)Portugal 7
19.)Slovenia 7
22.)Cyprus 3
23.)Israel 2
23.)Poland 2
25.)Estonia 1
25.)Austria 1

Kris
May 20th, 2003, 08:25 PM
Votes so far:

Germany (Kris/matthias/...):

1 point: Ukraine/Netherlands
2 points: Romania/Austria
3 points: Poland/Israel
4 points: Belgium/Ireland
5 points: Bosnia-Hercegovina/Spain
6 points: United Kingdom/Romania
7 points: Sweden/Turkey
8 points: Ireland/Ukraine
10 points: Spain/Iceland
12 points: Netherlands/France

TOTAL VOTE FROM GERMANY:

1 point: United Kingdom
2 points: Turkey
3 points: Sweden
4 points: Romania
5 points: Ukraine
6 points: Iceland
7 points: Ireland
8 points: France
10 points: Netherlands
12 points: Spain


United Kingdom (Pdm1987/Latimerontheloose/aliceb/...):

1 point: Malta/Austria/France
2 points: Israel/Iceland/Poland
3 points: Greece/Belgium/Belgium
4 points: The Netherlands/Romania/Russia
5 points: Germany/Norway/Iceland
6 points: Turkey/Germany/Bosnia-Hercegovina
7 points: Slovenia/The Netherlands/Ukraine
8 points: Latvia/Greece/Estonia
10 points: Iceland/Turkey/Germany
12 points: Bosnia-Herzegovina/Spain/Norway

TOTAL VOTE FROM UNITED KINGDOM:

1 point: Estonia
2 points: Latvia
3 points: Netherlands
4 points: Greece
5 points: Spain
6 points: Turkey
7 points: Iceland
8 points: Norway
10 points: Bosnia-Hercegovina
12 points: Germany


France (Nicoleke/gmt/m_pierce fan...):

1 point: Belgium/The Netherlands/Russia
2 points: United Kingdom/Spain/Estonia
3 points: Romania/Portugal/Portugal
4 points: Ireland/Estonia/Sweden
5 points: Spain/Ukraine/Slovenia
6 points: Ukraine/Poland/Norway
7 points: Turkey/Israel/Iceland
8 points: Portugal/Norway/United Kingdom
10 points: Malta/Russia/Ireland
12 points: Iceland/Greece/Spain


TOTAL VOTE FROM FRANCE:

1 point: Poland
2 points: Israel
3 points: Turkey
4 points: Ukraine
5 points: Russia
6 points: Portugal
7 points: Norway
8 points: Ireland
10 points: Spain
12 points: Iceland


Belgium (wimanna/Fieke/per4ever/Queen Elisabeth/Beggin' Beguine/kitty_fantastico/...):

1 point: Ukraine/Russia/Russia/Austria/Spain/Iceland
2 points: Estonia/Norway/Greece/Sweden/Germany/Austria
3 points: Malta/Croatia/Croatia/Turkey/Israel/Malta
4 points: Slovenia/Iceland/Germany/Israel/Russia/Ireland
5 points: United Kingdom/Austria/The Netherlands/The Netherlands/Romania/Turkey
6 points: Russia/United Kingdom/Malta/Spain/Austria/The Netherlands
7 points: Latvia/Spain/Iceland/France/Norway/Greece
8 points: Sweden/Romania/Spain/Iceland/France/France
10 points: The Netherlands/Bosnia-Hercegovina/Norway/Romania/Ireland/Spain
12 points: Spain/Turkey/Romania/Norway/Turkey/Russia

TOTAL VOTE FROM BELGIUM:

1 point: Austria
2 points: Ireland
3 points: Iceland
4 points: France
5 points: Russia
6 points: Netherlands
7 points: Norway
8 points: Turkey
10 points: Romania
12 points: Spain



??? (Iconoclast/Seles_Beckham/...):

1 point: Ukraine/Estonia
2 points: Romania/Malta
3 points: France/Slovenia
4 points: Cyprus/Belgium
5 points: Belgium/United Kingdom
6 points: Estonia/Russia
7 points: Russia/Latvia
8 points: Latvia/Iceland
10 points: Norway/Turkey
12 points: Germany/ - will not be counted

[b]TOTAL VOTE FROM ???:

1 point: Cyprus
2 points: United Kingdom
3 points: Estonia
4 points: Iceland
5 points: Belgium
6 points: Turkey
7 points: Norway
7 points: - will not be counted
8 points: Germany
10 points: Russia
12 points: Latvia


Spain (TOT/propi/...):

1 point: Germany/France
2 points: France/Greece
3 points: Malta/Portugal
4 points: Cyprus/Ukraine
5 points: Iceland/United Kingdom
6 points: Ukraine/Latvia
7 points: Sweden/Iceland
8 points: Russia/Germany
10 points: Latvia/Russia
12 points: United Kingdom/Malta

[b]TOTAL VOTE FROM SPAIN:

1 point: Portugal
2 points: Cyprus
3 points: Iceland
4 points: Sweden
5 points: Germany
6 points: Ukraine
7 points: Russia
8 points: Malta
10 points: Latvia
12 points: United Kingdom


Austria (Xian/...):

1 point: Poland
2 points: Malta
3 points: Ukraine
4 points: United Kingdom
5 points: France
6 points: Sweden
7 points: Slovenia
8 points: Norway
10 points: Latvia
12 points: Belgium


Poland (Jakub/karolbarzo/...):

1 point : Ireland/Portugal
2 points: France/Cyprus
3 points: Russia/Spain
4 points: United Kingdom/Israel
5 points: Iceland/Iceland
6 points: The Netherlands/Russia
7 points: Croatia/Croatia
8 points: Romania/Romania
10 points: Norway/Norway
12 points: Turkey/Ireland

TOTAL VOTE FROM POLAND:

1 point : Israel
2 points: United Kingdom
3 points: Netherlands
4 points: Russia
5 points: Iceland
6 points: Turkey
7 points: Ireland
8 points: Croatia
10 points: Romania
12 points: Norway


The Netherlands (Crazy MeliS/...):

1 point : Belgium
2 points: Sweden
3 points: Germany
4 points: France
5 points: Spain
6 points: Greece
7 points: Malta
8 points: Iceland
10 points: Norway
12 points: Russia


please tell me the country - and remember you can not vote for your own country !

- the votes for the jury were made after the "phone systeme" - the entry with the most points got the first place and so on.

Jakub
May 20th, 2003, 08:28 PM
Dobry wieczór !!
Warsaw here, and we have the results of polish jury :

1 point : Ireland
2 points : France
3 points: Russia
4 points: United Kingdom
5 points: Iceland
6 points: The Netherlands
7 points: Croatia
8 points: Romania
10 points : Norway
and finally 12 points: Turkey
thanks
:wavey:

Jakub
May 20th, 2003, 08:31 PM
Seles_Beckham votes shouldn`t be count , he is from Sarajevo and he has given 12 points to Bosnia ;)

I`m not bitchy, just to make it fair :)

KRIS
POLAND should have 6 points given by a person from France - gmt .

thanks

Kris
May 20th, 2003, 08:38 PM
Seles_Beckham votes shouldn`t be count , he is from Sarajevo and he has given 12 points to Bosnia ;)

I`m not bitchy, just to make it fair :)


KRIS
POLAND should have 6 points given by a person from France - gmt .

thanks


-But Sarajevo is in Jugoslavia - and not in Bosnia I think, so I won't delete the points

-well, yes gmt gave 6 points to Poland, but the other members of the French jury did not vote for this entry. So Poland had got only overall 6 points in this jury. There were more countries, which had got more points. Remember the point system!

French jury: Ice (19, 7/12) = 12 points, Spa (19, but had 2/5/12 - so Iceland got first spot) = 10 points, and so on... Pol (6, 0/6/0) = 1 point, cause Estonia (6, 2/4 had lower single marks). So Poland will get 1 point not Estonia, sorry!

Jakub
May 20th, 2003, 08:41 PM
Sorry Kris, that`s a good rule.

Kris
May 20th, 2003, 08:43 PM
your votes will be in the ranking in 1 minute! :D

Martian Mel
May 20th, 2003, 08:46 PM
Goodevening!This is Melissa calling live from Amsterdam!!

The Netherlands gives one point to : Danmark

2= Sweden
3=Germany
4=France
5=Spain
6=Greece
7=Malta
8=Iceland
10=Norway

And the 12 points will go to :RUSSIA :worship:

Kris
May 20th, 2003, 08:48 PM
Updated

Kris
May 20th, 2003, 08:50 PM
Goodevening!This is Melissa calling live from Amsterdam!!

The Netherlands gives one point to : Danmark

2= Sweden
3=Germany
4=France
5=Spain
6=Greece
7=Malta
8=Iceland
10=Norway

And the 12 points will go to :RUSSIA :worship:

Amsterdam, can you hear me, Denmark is not in the song contest this year, can you please tell me your correct votes again! ;)

Martian Mel
May 20th, 2003, 08:55 PM
Amsterdam, can you hear me, Denmark is not in the song contest this year, can you please tell me your correct votes again! ;)


Opps that was a mistake :o
well we'll give one point to belgium then :rolleyes: :o ;)

Jakub
May 20th, 2003, 09:00 PM
-But Sarajevo is in Jugoslavia - and not in Bosnia I think, so I won't delete the points


Can you check that please :p

Pdm1987
May 20th, 2003, 09:04 PM
Sarajevo is the capital of Bosnia ;)

Myron.Bolitar
May 20th, 2003, 09:54 PM
Good evening Europe! Polish votes #2

Points :

1 - PORTUGAL
2 - CYPRUS
3 - SPAIN
4 - ISREAL
5 - ICELAND
6 - RUSSIA
7 - CROATIA
8 - ROMANIA
10 - NORWAY
12 - IRELAND

Greets from Poland

Halardfan
May 20th, 2003, 10:52 PM
Haven't heard most of the songs so I won't vote...I suspect that doesn't stop some people in some countries on Eurovision night though!

I do think though that political voting has actually got worse over recent years...some countires almost have a 60 point start regardless of the quality of their song!

Terry Wogan 9 times out of 10, can predict who the 12 will go to, again regardless of the actual song...that says it all.

I also wish that Britain, surely the European home of pop music, would one day bother to have a decent entry...

Still Ive never forgiven Eurovision for 1997...when the beautiful, enchanting French entry, 'Sentiments Songes' came seventh. Seventh??? For a gorgeous song miles ahead of the competition???

Bottom line...people are stupid!

Dava
May 20th, 2003, 10:57 PM
I remeber Natasha St. Piers entry which was beautiful and did not do very well.

Kris
May 21st, 2003, 08:42 AM
bump

Xian
May 21st, 2003, 08:56 AM
so I give Poland one point I forgot so now we are last :bounce: :bounce:

gentenaire
May 21st, 2003, 09:04 AM
Haven't heard most of the songs so I won't vote...I suspect that doesn't stop some people in some countries on Eurovision night though!

I do think though that political voting has actually got worse over recent years...some countires almost have a 60 point start regardless of the quality of their song!

Terry Wogan 9 times out of 10, can predict who the 12 will go to, again regardless of the actual song...that says it all.

I also wish that Britain, surely the European home of pop music, would one day bother to have a decent entry...

Still Ive never forgiven Eurovision for 1997...when the beautiful, enchanting French entry, 'Sentiments Songes' came seventh. Seventh??? For a gorgeous song miles ahead of the competition???

Bottom line...people are stupid!

My thoughts exactly! Political voting's gotten a lot worse. When I was predicting the outcome, there were a number of countries I couldn't put in the last spot because no matter what, they'll never end last, they'll always get votes from certain countries. You also get a lot of pity votes. France has often had the best song, but they can't win. Maybe if a bomb should fall on France this week (or some terrorist attack), then they'd win.

Halardfan
May 21st, 2003, 09:48 AM
Indeed Tine. :)

The most obvious example of politcal voting that comes to mind is the Greece/Cyprus example, from my memory I suspected that there might be a strong pattern involving these two...I looked it up...lets take a look at those results...they are getting worse!


Over the past couple of decades...

Cyprus and their votes for Greece have gone...

6 12 8 12 12 6 10 12 12 12 12 10 12 12 12 (most recent)

Hmm Ive noticed something about their voting...what about the other way round???

Greece and their votes for Cyprus

12 8 12 7 6 12 10 10 12 8 12 12 12 12 (most recent)

Spooky! :D

Cyprus and Greece must always have really great songs! :D

Call me naive, but it would be nice if people disregarded what they thought of the country, and voted on the bloomin' song like they are supposed to!

Kris
May 21st, 2003, 10:19 AM
:d

Iconoclast
May 21st, 2003, 11:54 AM
France has often had the best song, but they can't win. Maybe if a bomb should fall on France this week (or some terrorist attack), then they'd win.
France has won the competition five times. Luxembourg the same. But most of those wins came in the early days (until the beginning of the 70's). Then came the dominance of the English-language songs, particularly from Ireland, and more happy, upbeat tunes. Celine Dion's win for Switzerland was an exception, but it did prove that a really strong ballad could still win.

I don't agree that France has often had the best song. 1997, which was mentioned earlier, was a runaway victory for the UK with "Love Shine a Light", a tremendously well-produced song that still gets plenty of airplay. Not everyone is in the mood for slow, teary ballads on Eurovision night, even if this type of song is somehow considered of higher quality by its very nature.

Greece/Cyprus is the most blatant example of neighbour voting, and it has admittedlly been really bad in recent years. Thanks for digging up the figures, Chris! They must really like each other.

But the 12 points from Cyprus didn't do enough for Antique in 2001, and none of their songs will be in contention this year I suspect. A Eurovision winner needs a lot more than the bloc vote, but a Eurovision loser can use the bloc vote to avoid relegation. Apparently, they are considering a change of format so that may not mean much in the future.

As for a terrorist attack on France. I doubt that would change a thing. The songs of Latvia and Malta were endorsed by viewers from all over Europe. I believe they each attracted points from every other country (except Romania and their fradulent jury). That had nothing to do with political sympathies. But it's probably not unrealistic to speculate that Malta could have edged Latvia if they had as many neighbours.

aliceb
May 21st, 2003, 12:39 PM
Natasha St Pierre was 4th.
I don't understand this neighbours voting for each other, I thought neighbours (esp in the old 'eastern bloc') weren't supposed to get on?
Also, maybe that 12 to Portugal from France was because so many Portuguese live in France?
One final thing for UK viewers - don't believe anything that old reactionary Wogan has to say. Figures show, for example, that France and UK are in each others top 5 of countries most likely to vote for, it's only him and readers of the daily mail who like to slag off Germans and French people at every chance.
I bet he wouldn't like it if people started generalising about the Irish.

Iconoclast
May 21st, 2003, 01:43 PM
Just gave the songs a second listen, and I stick by my initial assessment: It's Latvia all over again. If it doesn't finish at least in the Top 3, I'll never, ever make any Eurovision guesses again.

"Hello from Mars" is so damn cute, catchy and fun that I deem it unstoppable. The excitement from the home crowd, the perfect draw at 21st spot, multiple singers on stage (think Olsen Brothers 2000, Padar/Benton 2001) will seal the party atmosphere and make the difference.

gentenaire
May 21st, 2003, 01:50 PM
Love Shine a Light is the only song of the past few years that was a clear winner from the first three notes! No other song of the last 10 years of Eurovision can beat that. That year was also the last year I actually agreed with the winner. Last year's winning song was awful, I still don't understand how they won, there was nothing special about the song and they were never heard of again. I think they were helped by the fact that they came near the end of the show. That's always an advantage.

Iconoclast
May 21st, 2003, 02:02 PM
You will get a second look at the winner from last year as Marija Naumova (Marie N) will co-host the event on Saturday together with the lead singer of Brainstorm!

Few people predicted it would win, I didn't think much of it myself, but you have to hand it to her. The stage performance was magnificent - and not just because of the strip act. I liked the Maltese entry more, and it finished a very close second, so I won't complain too much about poor taste among the European viewers.

2001 was different, though. I hated both top songs (Estonia and Denmark).

Halardfan
May 21st, 2003, 03:07 PM
Its strange...I didn't rate Love shine a light at all...not my cup of tea I guess...more often than not the British entry is an embarassment, particularly coming from a country of such rich history in popular music...I guess its becuase few people with any credibility in Britian would enter, as it tends to be seen as a bit of a joke...partly because of Wogan's sarcastic, cynical commentary, which I actually find very funny. :)

Don't get me wrong, I always enjoy watching the show, and can usually find a decent song or two to root for...and indeed one or two to laugh at ;)...but when it comes to the voting...it makes you despair sometimes, how small-minded people are, with no sense of fair play.

Kris
May 21st, 2003, 05:55 PM
I think the "real" winner of 2002 was Malta. It was the best song and the girl was such a beauty.

Pdm1987
May 21st, 2003, 06:06 PM
I predicted correctly that last year Latvia & Malta would be 1 & 2. And my friend trusted my initial insticts and put £5 on Latvia at 25/1 to win, and it did. :D

gmt
May 21st, 2003, 06:09 PM
Yes, surely those 12 points from France to Portugal were at least partly due to the Portuguese community here. Nothing at all against Portugal, they have had beautiful songs throughout the years (and at least one very lovely singer ;)) and can boast of some of the most talented "popular" singers anywhere, but what happened that year was quite blatant.
Sarajevo is, indeed, Bosnia's capital city. Besides, Yugoslavia has officially ceased to exist (what remained of it is now called "Serbia and Montenegro", Srbija i Crna Gora in Serbian).

Kris
May 21st, 2003, 06:20 PM
Here is the updated ranking:

STANDINGS AFTER karolbarzo's (Pol) vote - please remember the point systeme!

1.)Norway 59
2.)Iceland 48
3.)Spain 44
4.)Russia 43
5.)Latvia 34
6.)Turkey 31
7.)Germany 28
8.)Romania 24
8.)Ireland 24
10.)Netherlands 22
11.)France 21
12.)Ukraine 20
13.)United Kingdom 19
14.)Belgium 18
15.)Malta 17
16.)Sweden 15
17.)Bosnia-Hercegovina 10
17.)Greece 10
19.)Croatia 8
20.)Portugal 7
20.)Slovenia 7
22.)Estonia 4
23.)Cyprus 3
23.)Israel 3
25.)Poland 2
26.)Austria 1

BritneySpearsIsHot
May 21st, 2003, 06:28 PM
I'm listening right now, just started on 1st song, must say Iceland is really really good

Kris
May 21st, 2003, 06:46 PM
So at the moment we have Norway in the front. Will this slow ballad win this year? Not a disco song like the 3rd at the moment Spain or the Netherlands?

In the top 5 we have Iceland, but her start number 1 will not be the best number to sing. The t.a.t.u. girls, who sang terrible in the rehearsal are 4th and Latvia is still in top 5. A possible defending champion - 2004 another song contest in Riga?

BritneySpearsIsHot
May 21st, 2003, 07:49 PM
UK

1 point CYPRUS
2 points NORWAY
3 points SWEDEN
4 points SLOVENIA
5 points PORTUGAL
6 points MALTA
7 points NETHERLANDS/HOLLAND
8 points SPAIN
10 points GERMANY
12 points............ICELAND

E. Blackadder
May 21st, 2003, 09:37 PM
NOrmally I listen to the songs three weeks ahead of the show, but this time I'm just gonna lay back and enjoy the show without any prejudices :D

haven't even heard teh belgian song :o

Dava
May 21st, 2003, 11:16 PM
NOrmally I listen to the songs three weeks ahead of the show, but this time I'm just gonna lay back and enjoy the show without any prejudices :D

haven't even heard teh belgian song :o

Yeah Im pretty much the same, I love it when there is an especially bad song, and you just laugh all the way through. Like the Russian last year in those tracksuits LOL!!

But I have listened to Germany, Croatia and Russia so far this year. I have not got the time to sit down and listen to them all, I'll wait for the night to do that.

JoeyWinson3.0
May 22nd, 2003, 02:09 AM
Chris Ba - Gotta agree with you about Wogan's commentary, every year it's hilarious!

Just been watching Tiegen's perfomance again... it's absolutely hilarious, especially towards teh end of his song where he starts pulling his braces in time to the music, and the LEGENDARY bit where he goes off the musical scale...

Well I'm thoroughly looking forward to this years songfest... I've not heard any of the others as I said... on principle... I've gotta say tho ours is a decent pop record if a little repetitive.

JoeyWinson3.0
May 22nd, 2003, 02:10 AM
By the way does anyone know why Monaco stopped entering?

Iconoclast
May 22nd, 2003, 12:16 PM
I'm not sure why Monaco stopped entering, but they used to be one of the top contenders and actually won the competition in 1974'ish. However, they didn't host it the year after - so it may have something to do with that.

A real curious fact: Jordan usually broadcasts the Eurovision Song Contest. But only after they have edited out Israel's entry! Pathetically amusing.

ghosts
May 22nd, 2003, 01:19 PM
Ukraine -1 point
Slovenia -2 points
Poland -3 points
Belgium -4 points
Island -5 points
United Kingdom -6 points
Latvia -7 points
Ireland -8 points
Croatia -10 points
Sweden -12 points

matthias
May 22nd, 2003, 02:54 PM
i will maybe miss the show on staurday, because i´m on a wedding.but maybe i will leave right in time :D

JoeyWinson3.0
May 22nd, 2003, 04:09 PM
Here are some of the GENUINE lyrics to Austria's entry...

I like most animals on this earth
But I really prefer little rabbits and bears

Soon all birds and beetles will die
But Adam's in bed with Eve busy reproducing

Rabbits live in the woods
Cats in the meadows
And cockroaches
Live under tiles

Little rabbits have short noses
And kittens soft paws
And Mother Holle likes her wool
From the african dromedary

The difference between animals such as apes and primates
Is no bigger than between noodles and pasta

The difference between animals such as apes and primates
Is no bigger than between noodles and pasta???????

I never knew Scooter were representing Austria? ;)

Mercury Rising
May 22nd, 2003, 04:16 PM
Belgium (again ;) )

1 point Slovenia
2 Turkey
3 Ireland
4 France
5 Latvija
6 Netherlands
7 Norway
8 Spain
10 Malta
12 Iceland

JoeyWinson3.0
May 22nd, 2003, 04:18 PM
This Austria geezer is the new Jahn Tiegen.

Jakub
May 22nd, 2003, 04:31 PM
There is a website where they give some reports from rehearsals of each country (including some funny comments) ;)

Here is a link :

http://www.livejournal.com/users/oneurope/

I`m shocked with the way they discribe polish song :eek: :o

have fun :wavey:

JoeyWinson3.0
May 22nd, 2003, 04:49 PM
Tatu causing probs... quelle surprise...

Mercury Rising
May 22nd, 2003, 05:00 PM
There was a big article today in my paper about Tatu, and that they were warned not to kiss on stage (or anything similar). If they would do it in the rehearsals, they would be sent home, if they do something on Saturday, a band of the dress rehearsal will be showed :devil:

matthias
May 22nd, 2003, 06:44 PM
lol @ this comment

This has everything.. Great staging, Great arrangement, famous composers... BUT it has Lou as well. Now i'm not saying that she was a bit flat but....... she was a wee bit. I dont think that they need *that* much more to worry the rest of the world, but it needs something.... well perhaps just shaving her red mullet would do for a start

Jakub
May 22nd, 2003, 08:55 PM
These are also good :devil:

2:45PM - France Second Regearsal
Lovely strong stong, shame the dress shows her armpits too much. She looks dis-interested and a bit non fussed through the performance, but some would say thats just French. A fellow judge for the forks remarks it was Competant but un-remarkable... and that sums it up really. Boring and uninspiring...

4:05PM - Russia First Rehearsal
Well what can one say....
a) Late for rehearsal
b) Having a strop with the stage manager
c) Not really trying too hard indeed one of them didn't bother to sing..

It was full of technical problems and lots of shouting

In short, everything we expected... I just dont know why.... I really dont... but it becomes odvious why THEY are here!!

I cant comment on the performance properly as it wasnt a proper performance... I imagine complaints from the EBU to be forthcoming....

4:42PM - Russia Second Rehearsal
Well they turned up.. Sorry it's been delayed, but i have been trying to find the words... I think the closest i could come up with was " ugnh!!?? "

It isnt really a song, its a performance.... one of them has a sore throat, but could you really tell??? I couldnt!!. Its still very shouty and just a mash of everything.

I'm sure its a good rock song, but not in this context!

Just a quick teccie point, they are using the more orchestral backing tape, but does it matter??

:wavey:

Dava
May 22nd, 2003, 08:56 PM
I'm probably going to miss Eurovision.

Its my friends 18th!

Damn it cant his mother have given birth to him at a more convienient time!!!

gmt
May 23rd, 2003, 12:00 AM
By the way does anyone know why Monaco stopped entering?
ISTR that all TV companies entering the contest had to be public-owned companies. RTL (Luxembourg) has ceased to be so and that, I think was the reason why they left the contest. Not sure about Monaco. Arguably Monaco has difficulties to find genuine local singers to represent it without just seeming to give France a double chance ;)

Here are the conutries represented in the EBU (European Broadcasting Union) which can, or could thus partake in the contest (in bold, those which never took part in the finals):
Albania
Algeria
Andorra
Austria
Belarus
Belgium
Bosnia-Herzegovina
Bulgaria
Croatia
Cyprus
Czech Republic
Denmark
Egypt
Estonia
Finland
France
Germany
Greece
Hungary
Iceland
Ireland
Israel
Italy
Jordan
Latvia
Lebanon
Libya
Lithuania
Luxembourg
Macedonia
Malta
Moldova
Monaco
Morocco
the Netherlands
Norway
Poland
Portugal
Romania
Russian Federation
San-Marino
Serbia & Montenegro
Slovakia
Slovenia
Spain
Sweden
Switzerland
Tunisia
Turkey
Ukraine
Vatican

jrm
May 23rd, 2003, 12:29 AM
it really doesn't matter if the song is good or bad

Nicoleke
May 23rd, 2003, 07:46 PM
I remeber Natasha St. Piers entry which was beautiful and did not do very well.
I totally agree with you, Natasha Saint - Pier was the best in 2001, and she only finished 4th, she was totally robben :( !!!!!

bis2806
May 23rd, 2003, 07:48 PM
The Austrian Band is so ridiculous... listen to their songs and you'll know why.... they just have weird music :confused:

BritneySpearsIsHot
May 23rd, 2003, 07:50 PM
There is always a beautiful elegeant young lady or two in these competitions..........is this a European thing and we UK people are missing out :confused:

Last year, it was Malta (Ira Losco, think that's how it's spelt)

bis2806
May 23rd, 2003, 07:54 PM
from the website that Jakub gave......

11:45AM - Austria second rehearsal
What can one say.. He just gets better and i finally get it.. He no longer grabs his crotch, but he grabs his belt and thrusts. The backing singers are a wonder of Austrian womanhood who sing even more out of tune than him!!!

Its fantastic!!!.. Shame it is totally out of context with the contest and will prob come near the bottom.. but the more i hear it... the more *this* is gonna be the one to upset the tatu train!! It should score 30948309284 points, but it'll be lucky to get 20 and thats a shame!!

Mark out of 100 - 28.348203 (!)

Seles_Beckham
May 23rd, 2003, 08:06 PM
Yes SARAJEVO IS THE CAPITAL OF BOSNIA,,,

Sorry ( you can delete my vote because I vote for my country ) Sorry again

Vote from Bosnia and Herzegovina

1 point Netherlands
2 points UK
3 points UKRAINE
4 points ICELAND
5 points SLOVENIA
6 points FRANCE
7 points NORWAY
8 points GERMANY
10 points SPAIN
12 points TURKEY

Nicoleke
May 23rd, 2003, 08:44 PM
I think, I want now, that Norway win :) :D :) :D ;) !!!!!

Xian
May 24th, 2003, 01:01 AM
Austria rulezzzzzzzzzz :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

they made a test in 7 countries (Germany, Slovenia, France, Netherlands, Belgium; Croatia and Poland) and played the music (without lyrics) to people:

the result:
1. Austria :eek:
2. Spain
3. Turkey
4. France
5. Norway
6. Malta
7. Cyprus
8. Latvia
9. Bosnia-Hercegovina
10. United Kingdom

we´ll see :bounce:

Monique
May 24th, 2003, 02:40 AM
the Belgian entry is fantastic! Can this Luxembourg juror award 12 points to the Belgians? :rolleyes: ;)

Iconoclast
May 24th, 2003, 11:23 AM
Austria rulezzzzzzzzzz :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

they made a test in 7 countries (Germany, Slovenia, France, Netherlands, Belgium; Croatia and Poland) and played the music (without lyrics) to people:

I think the key word here is "without lyrics". Look, I appreciate your excitement, but if Austria finishes in the Top 15, I will come back here and declare Alf Poier a musical genius. ;)

Mercury Rising
May 24th, 2003, 11:42 AM
the Belgian entry is fantastic! Can this Luxembourg juror award 12 points to the Belgians? :rolleyes: ;)
I wholehartedly agree with you, too bad we are a minority :sad: ;)

Nicoleke
May 24th, 2003, 11:46 AM
Hello :wavey:,

Kris, I'm sorry but can you change my votes please ?

My " old " points were :

1 point: Belgium
2 points: The united kingdown
3 points: Romania
4 points: Ireland
5 points: Spain
6 points: Ukraine
7 points: Turkey
8 points: Portugal
10 points: Malta
12 points: Iceland

In fact, Nicoleke' s votes from France are :

1 point: Belgium :kiss:
2 points: Romania
3 points: Ireland
4 points: Spain
5 points: Ukraine
6 points: Turkey
7 points: Portugal
8 points: Malta
10 points: Iceland
12 points: Norway :bounce:

Excuse me, and thanks for update :) !!!!!

Pdm1987
May 24th, 2003, 11:48 AM
Is anybody having a Eurovision party tonight? :D

Mercury Rising
May 24th, 2003, 11:53 AM
Hello :wavey:,

Kris, I'm sorry but can you change my votes please ?

My " old " points were :

1 point: Belgium
2 points: The united kingdown
3 points: Romania
4 points: Ireland
5 points: Spain
6 points: Ukraine
7 points: Turkey
8 points: Portugal
10 points: Malta
12 points: Iceland

In fact, Nicoleke' s votes from France are :

1 point: Belgium :kiss:
2 points: Romania
3 points: Ireland
4 points: Spain
5 points: Ukraine
6 points: Turkey
7 points: Portugal
8 points: Malta
10 points: Iceland
12 points: Norway :bounce:

Excuse me, and thanks for update :) !!!!!
Still only one point :sad: ;)

Lol, you forgot Norway in your votes :o :devil:

Nicoleke
May 24th, 2003, 11:54 AM
Is anybody having a Eurovision party tonight? :D
I'll just watch it drinking sodas, eating cakes, my little dog will be at my side lol. But, I'm certain, I' ll have fun ;) !!!!!

Nicoleke
May 24th, 2003, 11:55 AM
Still only one point :sad: ;)

Lol, you forgot Norway in your votes :o :devil:
Still one point yes, but one point and a kiss ;) !!!!!

Mercury Rising
May 24th, 2003, 12:02 PM
Still one point yes, but one point and a kiss ;) !!!!!
oki :p

:kiss:

Nicoleke
May 24th, 2003, 02:33 PM
I need help, I want to download a " scoreboard " do you know where I can find that ?

Fieke
May 24th, 2003, 03:18 PM
I need help, I want to download a " scoreboard " do you know where I can find that ?

voting ballot:
http://www.esctoday.com/images/voting_ballot.jpg

Score card:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio2/eurovision/fun/scorecard.shtml

Iconoclast
May 24th, 2003, 03:36 PM
Ok, last predictions on the drama that is about to unfold in 4 hours time.

The winner will be one of these three. I'm of course totally biased as they happen to be my three favorites:

Latvia
Norway
Germany

These will challenge for the coveted ESC crown, but not quite get there:

Russia
Spain
Estonia

If we are getting a surprise winner, it will be one of these:

Ukraine
Romania
Poland

That's 9 countries - out of 26 - this really can't go wrong.

Mercury Rising
May 24th, 2003, 03:41 PM
Ehh Iceland is the best :confused:

Come on Iceland!

I gave Germany 5,5/10 ; Norway 6,5/10 and Latvia 6,4/10

Iceland and Malta 8/10 :)
I like Spain too 7/10

Nicoleke
May 24th, 2003, 04:00 PM
Thank you, but I have the nicest " scoreboard " now :) !!!!!

I want this boy to win :

http://www.eurovision.tv/upload_pic/Ekstras/480x360/18norway_4x3.jpg

Go to Norway !!!!!

Kris
May 24th, 2003, 05:12 PM
the scores will be updated in 1 hour - this will be the deadline so hurry up, you can still vore ;)

gmt
May 24th, 2003, 06:05 PM
I am not so surprised that Austria got some point(s;)) without the lyrics. There is something grand about that song, grotesque, kitsch as it may seem :D
There is no truly outstanding song in this year's contest, even though I do like the French entry a lot and I might be captivated by one or another contestant's particularly enticing stage play :cool: But there is no really bad song either. I would be a bit disconcerted if one of the following wins: Slovenia (I preferred Sestre to tell the truth!), Cyprus (sorry Sue, I've loved other Cypriot entries in recent years such as Sti fotia, but this one does not make it for me) and Ireland (where are the great old songs of the past). Any other winner would be OK by me. Needless to say, I'd rather see one of my favourites win :p

Nicoleke
May 24th, 2003, 06:13 PM
I am not so surprised that Austria got some point(s;)) without the lyrics. There is something grand about that song, grotesque, kitsch as it may seem :D
There is no truly outstanding song in this year's contest, even though I do like the French entry a lot and I might be captivated by one or another contestant's particularly enticing stage play :cool: But there is no really bad song either. I would be a bit disconcerted if one of the following wins: Slovenia (I preferred Sestre to tell the truth!), Cyprus (sorry Sue, I've loved other Cypriot entries in recent years such as Sti fotia, but this one does not make it for me) and Ireland (where are the great old songs of the past). Any other winner would be OK by me. Needless to say, I'd rather see one of my favourites win :p
My dear Gmt :), what do you think of the norwegian entry ? I felt in love with that song today :). I' ve forgot to listen to it the other day, I really love that song .....

BritneySpearsIsHot
May 24th, 2003, 06:15 PM
I would like the UK to win................but in fairness it's pants ;) Iceland for me, although i'm not totally bothered who wins as long as it is close..........Russia i don't want to win though, i fel they have amde attempts to gain an advantage by using an 'established' artist

gmt
May 24th, 2003, 06:34 PM
My dear sweet Nicky, the Norwegian entry is my favourite next to France and Greece :) It's very simple (albeit not quite as simple as it seems at first hearing), but sincerely felt and you and me both have rather sentimental tastes, which explains why we both like that song :D

gmt
May 24th, 2003, 06:37 PM
Oh, and I put Greece first in my votes (I couldn't vote for France ;)) on the basis of the song & singer alone. Probably her stage act will irritate me and I might end up hoping for a Norwegian victory - like you, I am fairly sure that Louisa does not really stand a chance... her song is too subtle for one hearing, and not grasping the text takes away a good deal of its emotion, fine as she may be as a singer.

Kris
May 24th, 2003, 06:44 PM
No More Votes Will Be Accepted!!

Kris
May 24th, 2003, 06:45 PM
Votes - THANKS TO ALL JURY MEMBERS:

Germany (Kris/matthias):

1 point: Ukraine/Netherlands
2 points: Romania/Austria
3 points: Poland/Israel
4 points: Belgium/Ireland
5 points: Bosnia-Hercegovina/Spain
6 points: United Kingdom/Romania
7 points: Sweden/Turkey
8 points: Ireland/Ukraine
10 points: Spain/Iceland
12 points: Netherlands/France

TOTAL VOTE FROM GERMANY:

1 point: United Kingdom
2 points: Turkey
3 points: Sweden
4 points: Romania
5 points: Ukraine
6 points: Iceland
7 points: Ireland
8 points: France
10 points: Netherlands
12 points: Spain


United Kingdom (Pdm1987/Latimerontheloose/aliceb/JelenaDokicIsHot):

1 point: Malta/Austria/France/Cyprus
2 points: Israel/Iceland/Poland/Norway
3 points: Greece/Belgium/Belgium/Sweden
4 points: The Netherlands/Romania/Russia/Slovenia
5 points: Germany/Norway/Iceland/Portugal
6 points: Turkey/Germany/Bosnia-Hercegovina/Malta
7 points: Slovenia/The Netherlands/Ukraine/The Netherlands
8 points: Latvia/Greece/Estonia/Spain
10 points: Iceland/Turkey/Germany/Germany
12 points: Bosnia-Herzegovina/Spain/Norway/Iceland

TOTAL VOTE FROM UNITED KINGDOM:

1 point: Latvia
2 points: Slovenia
3 points: Greece
4 points: Turkey
5 points: Netherlands
6 points: Bosnia-Hercegovina
7 points: Norway
8 points: Spain
10 points: Iceland
12 points: Germany


France (Nicoleke/gmt/m_pierce fan):

1 point: Belgium/The Netherlands/Russia
2 points: Romania/Spain/Estonia
3 points: Ireland/Portugal/Portugal
4 points: Spain/Estonia/Sweden
5 points: Ukraine/Ukraine/Slovenia
6 points: Turkey/Poland/Norway
7 points: Portugal/Israel/Iceland
8 points: Malta/Norway/United Kingdom
10 points: Iceland/Russia/Ireland
12 points: Norway/Greece/Spain


TOTAL VOTE FROM FRANCE:

1 point: Malta
2 points: United Kingdom
3 points: Ukraine
4 points: Russia
5 points: Greece
6 points: Portugal
7 points: Ireland
8 points: Iceland
10 points: Spain
12 points: Norway


Bulgaria (ghosts):

1 point: Ukraine
2 points: Slovenia
3 points: Poland
4 points: Belgium
5 points: Iceland
6 points: United Kingdom
7 points: Latvia
8 points: Ireland
10 points: Croatia
12 points: Sweden


Belgium (wimanna/Fieke/per4ever/Queen Elisabeth/Beggin' Beguine/kitty_fantastico/Kristofke):

1 point: Ukraine/Russia/Russia/Austria/Spain/Iceland/Slovenia
2 points: Estonia/Norway/Greece/Sweden/Germany/Austria/Turkey
3 points: Malta/Croatia/Croatia/Turkey/Israel/Malta/Ireland
4 points: Slovenia/Iceland/Germany/Israel/Russia/Ireland/France
5 points: United Kingdom/Austria/The Netherlands/The Netherlands/Romania/Turkey/Latvia
6 points: Russia/United Kingdom/Malta/Spain/Austria/The Netherlands/The Netherlands
7 points: Latvia/Spain/Iceland/France/Norway/Greece/Norway
8 points: Sweden/Romania/Spain/Iceland/France/France/Spain
10 points: The Netherlands/Bosnia-Hercegovina/Norway/Romania/Ireland/Spain/Malta
12 points: Spain/Turkey/Romania/Norway/Turkey/Russia/Iceland

TOTAL VOTE FROM BELGIUM:

1 point: Ireland
2 points: Malta
3 points: Russia
4 points: France
5 points: Netherlands
6 points: Iceland
7 points: Turkey
8 points: Romania
10 points: Norway
12 points: Spain


??? (Iconoclast):

1 point: Ukraine
2 points: Romania
3 points: France
4 points: Cyprus
5 points: Belgium
6 points: Estonia
7 points: Russia
8 points: Latvia
10 points: Norway
12 points: Germany


Bosnia-Herzegovina (Seles_Beckham):

1 point: Netherlands
2 points: United Kingdom
3 points: Ukraine
4 points: Iceland
5 points: Slovenia
6 points: France
7 points: Norway
8 points: Germany
10 points: Spain
12 points: Turkey


Spain (TOT/propi):

1 point: Germany/France
2 points: France/Greece
3 points: Malta/Portugal
4 points: Cyprus/Ukraine
5 points: Iceland/United Kingdom
6 points: Ukraine/Latvia
7 points: Sweden/Iceland
8 points: Russia/Germany
10 points: Latvia/Russia
12 points: United Kingdom/Malta

TOTAL VOTE FROM SPAIN:

1 point: Portugal
2 points: Cyprus
3 points: Iceland
4 points: Sweden
5 points: Germany
6 points: Ukraine
7 points: Russia
8 points: Malta
10 points: Latvia
12 points: United Kingdom


Austria (Xian):

1 point: Poland
2 points: Malta
3 points: Ukraine
4 points: United Kingdom
5 points: France
6 points: Sweden
7 points: Slovenia
8 points: Norway
10 points: Latvia
12 points: Belgium


Poland (Jakub/karolbarzo):

1 point : Ireland/Portugal
2 points: France/Cyprus
3 points: Russia/Spain
4 points: United Kingdom/Israel
5 points: Iceland/Iceland
6 points: The Netherlands/Russia
7 points: Croatia/Croatia
8 points: Romania/Romania
10 points: Norway/Norway
12 points: Turkey/Ireland

TOTAL VOTE FROM POLAND:

1 point : Israel
2 points: United Kingdom
3 points: Netherlands
4 points: Russia
5 points: Iceland
6 points: Turkey
7 points: Ireland
8 points: Croatia
10 points: Romania
12 points: Norway


The Netherlands (Crazy MeliS:)

1 point : Belgium
2 points: Sweden
3 points: Germany
4 points: France
5 points: Spain
6 points: Greece
7 points: Malta
8 points: Iceland
10 points: Norway
12 points: Russia

Kris
May 24th, 2003, 06:46 PM
FINAL STANDINGS:

1.)Norway 76
2.)Spain 57
3.)Iceland 55
4.)Germany 40
5.)Russia 37
6.)Latvia 36
7.)Turkey 31
8.)Ireland 30
8.)France 30
10.)United Kingdom 28
11.)Sweden 27
12.)Romania 24
12.)Netherlands 24
14.)Ukraine 23
15.)Belgium 22
16.)Malta 20
17.)Greece 18
17.)Croatia 18
19.)Slovenia 16
20.)Portugal 7
21.)Bosnia-Hercegovina 6
21.)Estonia 6
21.)Cyprus 6
24.)Poland 4
25.)Israel 1
26.)Austria 0

BritneySpearsIsHot
May 24th, 2003, 06:49 PM
Excellent work Kris

oren987
May 24th, 2003, 06:52 PM
The vote from Israel (me)

1. Russia
2. Spain
3. Turkey
4. Ukraine
5. Germany
6. United Kingdom
7. Portugal
8. France
9. Belgium
10. Netherlands

And good luck to Lior Narkis from Israel (I hate this song but still...)

Nicoleke
May 24th, 2003, 06:54 PM
Thank you Kris, and enjoy the show tonight :) :D :) :D ;) !!!!!

Mercury Rising
May 24th, 2003, 07:07 PM
Thanx for the work Kris! Nice job :D

gmt
May 24th, 2003, 11:50 PM
And good luck to Lior Narkis from Israel (I hate this song but still...)
Really? I liked it, before and during the contest. It's unpretentious and actually a lot of fun. In fact, I often have a sweet tooth for Israeli songs (Dana International's was not my cup of tea, but I liked both A-ba-ni-bi and Hallelujah, and my all-time Israeli ESC favourite is Rita's Shara barechovot).

gmt
May 25th, 2003, 11:42 AM
And what were your votes after you heard the songs yesterday? I must admit that some impressed me more live than on RealAudio, whereas a few (including France and Norway, not to mention Russia and the UK) disappointed me a little bit. I had heard Louisa Baileche live three times though, and she can sing much better than this...

The contest was much better than I expected :)

My vote before the contest:
Slovenia Karmen Stavec Nanana
Cyprus Stelios Konstantas Feeling alive
Ireland Mickey Harte We've got the world tonight
Bosnia-Herzegovina Mija Martina Barbaric Ne brini
Sweden Fame Give me your love
Belgium Urban Trad Sanomi
United Kingdom Jemini Cry baby
Croatia Claudia Vi?e nisam tvoja
Germany Lou Let's get happy
Latvia Freimanis, Reiniks & Kay's Hello from mars
Austria Alf Poier Weil der Mensch zählt
Iceland Birgitta Haukdal Open your heart
Malta Lynn Chircop To dream again
Romania Nicola Don't break my heart
1 pt to The Netherlands Esther Hart One more night
2 pts to Spain Beth Dime
3 pts to Portugal Rita Guerra Deixa-me sonhar...
4 pts to Estonia Rufus Eighties coming back
5 pts to Ukraine Olexandr Ponomaryov Hasta la vista
6 pts to Poland Ich Troje Zadnych granic
7 pts to Israel Lior Narkis Many words for love
8 pts to Norway Jostein Hasselgård I'm not afraid to move on
10 pts to Russia Tatu Ne verj ne bojsia
12 pts to Greece Mando Never let you go[/size]

My vote after the contest (the overall voting notwithstanding ;)) - edited after Nicoleke's valid point was made:
Cyprus Stelios Konstantas Feeling alive
Slovenia Karmen Stavec Nanana
United Kingdom Jemini Cry baby
Ireland Mickey Harte We've got the world tonight
Sweden Fame Give me your love
Bosnia-Herzegovina Mija Martina Barbaric Ne brini
Malta Lynn Chircop To dream again
Romania Nicola Don't break my heart[/size]
Austria Alf Poier Weil der Mensch zählt
Croatia Claudia Vi?e nisam tvoja
Spain Beth Dime
Latvia Freimanis, Reiniks & Kay's Hello from mars
Germany Lou Let's get happy
Iceland Birgitta Haukdal Open your heart
The Netherlands Esther Hart One more night
1 pts to Estonia Rufus Eighties coming back
2 pts to Russia Tatu Ne verj ne bojsia
3 pts to Turkey Sertab Erener Every way that I can
4 pts to Poland Ich Troje Zadnych granic
5 pts to Israel Lior Narkis Many words for love
6 pts to Belgium Urban Trad Sanomi
7 pts to Ukraine Olexandr Ponomaryov Hasta la vista
8 pts to Norway Jostein Hasselgård I'm not afraid to move on
10 pts to Portugal Rita Guerra Deixa-me sonhar...
12 pts to Greece Mando Never let you go

:wavey: see you all next year in Istanbul :wavey:

gmt
May 25th, 2003, 11:43 AM
Oh dear, I forgot Turkey!!!!! :o :D
3 pts go to Turkey (as if they needed them ;))

Nicoleke
May 25th, 2003, 11:47 AM
My vote were differents after the show too :

1 point : Ireland
2 points : Austria
3 points : Malta
4 points : Ukraine
5 points : Turkey
6 points : The Netherlands
7 points : Croatia
8 points : Belgium
10 points : Iceland
12 points : Norway :hearts:

Nicoleke
May 25th, 2003, 11:48 AM
And what were your votes after you heard the songs yesterday? I must admit that some impressed me more live than on RealAudio, whereas a few (including France and Norway, not to mention Russia and the UK) disappointed me a little bit. I had heard Louisa Baileche live three times though, and she can sing much better than this...

The contest was much better than I expected :)

My vote before the contest:
Slovenia Karmen Stavec Nanana
Cyprus Stelios Konstantas Feeling alive
Ireland Mickey Harte We've got the world tonight
Bosnia-Herzegovina Mija Martina Barbaric Ne brini
Sweden Fame Give me your love
Belgium Urban Trad Sanomi
United Kingdom Jemini Cry baby
Croatia Claudia Vi?e nisam tvoja
Germany Lou Let's get happy
Latvia Freimanis, Reiniks & Kay's Hello from mars
Austria Alf Poier Weil der Mensch zählt
Iceland Birgitta Haukdal Open your heart
Malta Lynn Chircop To dream again
Romania Nicola Don't break my heart
1 pt to The Netherlands Esther Hart One more night
2 pts to Spain Beth Dime
3 pts to Portugal Rita Guerra Deixa-me sonhar...
4 pts to Estonia Rufus Eighties coming back
5 pts to Ukraine Olexandr Ponomaryov Hasta la vista
6 pts to Poland Ich Troje Zadnych granic
7 pts to Israel Lior Narkis Many words for love
8 pts to Norway Jostein Hasselgård I'm not afraid to move on
10 pts to Russia Tatu Ne verj ne bojsia
12 pts to Greece Mando Never let you go[/size]

My vote after the contest (the overall voting notwithstanding ;)):
Cyprus Stelios Konstantas Feeling alive
Slovenia Karmen Stavec Nanana
United Kingdom Jemini Cry baby
Ireland Mickey Harte We've got the world tonight
Sweden Fame Give me your love
Bosnia-Herzegovina Mija Martina Barbaric Ne brini
Malta Lynn Chircop To dream again
Romania Nicola Don't break my heart[/size]
Austria Alf Poier Weil der Mensch zählt
Croatia Claudia Vi?e nisam tvoja
Spain Beth Dime
Latvia Freimanis, Reiniks & Kay's Hello from mars
Germany Lou Let's get happy
Iceland Birgitta Haukdal Open your heart
1 pt to The Netherlands Esther Hart One more night
2 pts to Estonia Rufus Eighties coming back
3 pts to Russia Tatu Ne verj ne bojsia
4 pts to Norway Jostein Hasselgård I'm not afraid to move on
5 pts to Poland Ich Troje Zadnych granic
6 pts to Israel Lior Narkis Many words for love
7 pts to Belgium Urban Trad Sanomi
8 pts to Ukraine Olexandr Ponomaryov Hasta la vista
10 pts to Portugal Rita Guerra Deixa-me sonhar...
12 pts to Greece Mando Never let you go

:wavey: see you all next year in Istanbul :wavey:
Only 4 points to Norway ? That song deserved to win :p lol !!!!!

gmt
May 25th, 2003, 11:51 AM
To be honest, I agree with you Nicoleke :) The song was possibly the best of the evening (or one of the two or three best). The singer was good, but not one of the very best ;)

gmt
May 25th, 2003, 11:53 AM
OK, you win :o I edited my vote ;)

Nicoleke
May 25th, 2003, 11:54 AM
To be honest, I agree with you Nicoleke :) The song was possibly the best of the evening (or one of the two or three best). The singer was good, but not one of the very best ;)
Oki :), the singer was not as good as his song, but what a song, it put something in my stomach when I heard it .....

Kris
May 25th, 2003, 01:32 PM
Thanks for the kind words!