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tazban1
May 16th, 2003, 10:01 PM
I haven't seen American Idol except in clips because I've been watching Buffy all season, but I've still been following the show. Anyways, last year, I heard that the judges have the final decision even if the audience votes differently. Is it still true this year?

Simon seemed to have backed Ruben from the beginning. That combined with the comments about how Clay isn't marketable and, while a great singer, isn't really pop star material, and all the hype Ruben gets(I've seen features on Ruben on ET three nights in a row, none on Clay), I'm thinking that Ruben has it wrapped up whether the audience votes him to win or not - especially if the vote is close.

If it is true, I hope that Clay at least gets something from the show if the audeince votes for him as winner. I know that he gets a lot of exposure anyways, but I think he should still get something directly from the show - like a bundle of money or something.

BigB08822
May 16th, 2003, 10:38 PM
Clay can and will win...

Princess Fiona
May 17th, 2003, 05:38 PM
Clay? Ohhhhh... *swoons* *enters dreamworld* ;)

I don't know - Clay not marketable? He has a sensational voice, a very nice personality and is also nice to look at? :) If Mister Cowell cannot market Clay then, I don't know... *shrugs*

Good luck Clay!! :hearts: I'm sure he will get an amazing career whatever happens... :)

BigB08822
May 17th, 2003, 07:39 PM
By the way, it isnt Simon Cowell who is the one worried about marketing. It is a different Simon. Everyone assumes they are talking about the same Simon but Simon the judge and Simon the producer/big man are totally different.

Lee-Waters' Boy
May 17th, 2003, 09:41 PM
Unless they fix the phones, whoever wins is just going to win by luck. the phone lines are always so busy nobody can get through, so both contestants will get as many votes as the lines allow people to get through....both will have fans who dont get to vote but the question is who has more that dont get through?

Maybe the deciding factor will be the at&t text votes

mboyle
May 18th, 2003, 12:14 AM
By the way, it isnt Simon Cowell who is the one worried about marketing. It is a different Simon. Everyone assumes they are talking about the same Simon but Simon the judge and Simon the producer/big man are totally different.

Simon Cowell-mean guy
Simon Fuller-marketer

mboyle
May 18th, 2003, 12:17 AM
Unless they fix the phones, whoever wins is just going to win by luck. the phone lines are always so busy nobody can get through, so both contestants will get as many votes as the lines allow people to get through....both will have fans who dont get to vote but the question is who has more that dont get through?

Maybe the deciding factor will be the at&t text votes

Agreed. Someone in Florida must be running the voting:p .

disposablehero
May 18th, 2003, 12:21 AM
Simon Cowell-mean guy rules!

BigB08822
May 18th, 2003, 12:21 AM
Hows this for "Clay better win or it is rigged.."

Clay is #1 on Amazon.com in sales rank for music! His single is topping their charts and Ruben's single is way down at #368 or so!

Whoever doesnt win just has their CD dropped off of Amazon.com and people who bought it are never charged..

Jordan.
May 18th, 2003, 01:18 AM
Clay is so ugly and annoying, I hope Ruben wins.

Harju.
May 18th, 2003, 02:11 AM
I thought Kim Locke is better than them :p

Shuji Shuriken
May 18th, 2003, 02:53 AM
While I think Clay is very very talented...his broadway-type voice gets annoying at times. I think Reuben would make better album material.

Havok
May 18th, 2003, 02:57 AM
can he win= yes
do i want him to win, and prob many others=no
btw, Kimberly Locke should have won

Princess Fiona
May 18th, 2003, 12:17 PM
*making note to buy Clay's single* :)

Of course, Simon Fuller is the marketer - thanks... :)

And on the subject of marketing, didn't Simon Cowell say that Carmen was the most marketable female in the competition? Aaah, I don't want to "bash" but to me Carmen had the weakest voice out of all the females!! Sooooo...

And now I will stop myself - I believe, if you cannot say anything nice do not say anything at all!! *zzzzzip* ;)

skanky~skanketta
May 20th, 2003, 08:47 AM
clay will obviously win. too damn predictable.

rightous
May 20th, 2003, 12:17 PM
Sorry is it just me are is Clay a little strange, there is something about him that is just too creepy for words, he is no Pop Idol he's a broadway singer.

Greenout
May 20th, 2003, 12:24 PM
Funny thing is that on the show Simon's opinion's
are good; but in real life who the fu*k has he
worked with in the music biz... TAKE THAT?
What a joke? Sorry;but working with a lame
ass boy band as credentials is laughable.

The more I see Randy Jackson, the more he
comes off as a sleazy record company guy.

Paula make come off dopey, and too nice on
the judging panel; but she's actually got the
most respectable credentials. I think whoever
she likes more will be the winner.

Princess Fiona
May 20th, 2003, 02:31 PM
Funny thing is that on the show Simon's opinion's
are good; but in real life who the fu*k has he
worked with in the music biz... TAKE THAT?
What a joke? Sorry;but working with a lame
ass boy band as credentials is laughable.

The more I see Randy Jackson, the more he
comes off as a sleazy record company guy.

Paula make come off dopey, and too nice on
the judging panel; but she's actually got the
most respectable credentials. I think whoever
she likes more will be the winner.

Hmm, did Simon work with Take That? I see that Ruben's first single is a cover of the Westlife song "Flying Without Wings" - for those unfamiliar with Westlife you are lucky *cough* ;) they are an amazingly successful boy band from Ireland...

I like Randy and Paula - I think Paula is the nice, "mother" figure of the show and Randy is nice most of the time...

Greenout
May 21st, 2003, 12:59 AM
Westlife? Arrrhhhh! HELP!!

P. Fiona,

Living to Singapore I'm subjected(ahem..) to
more sugary pop than I can take without getting
cavaties!! Did you know that Aussie pop is huge
here? There was a mob street at some Bardot
autograph session years ago.

Sad to think that bland pop music is type of
material the winners of AI end up doing. I hope
Reuben will win and leave that show with some
dignity. Hope he doesn't end up doing nothing
but ballads- ala -Luther Vandross.

CC
May 21st, 2003, 02:05 AM
While I think Clay is very very talented...his broadway-type voice gets annoying at times.

He has equally theatrical, animated facial expressions. Creepy as rightous said.

Venus Forever
May 21st, 2003, 02:19 AM
What Un-Kix, CC, and Jordan. all said!!

GO RUBEN!! :bounce: :bounce:

On a side note, there is no doubt in my mind that Clay will win. He has the support of all women, gay horny men, and a majority of the white community.

Ruben, well, he has basically the African American community. :o

BigB08822
May 21st, 2003, 02:21 AM
Clay won based on his overall and tonights performances. Ruben was boring and the judges didn't call him on it. See my other thread "AI2 rips of Kim Locke" to know what I am talking about...

R&J
May 21st, 2003, 03:24 AM
What Un-Kix, CC, and Jordan. all said!!

GO RUBEN!! :bounce: :bounce:

On a side note, there is no doubt in my mind that Clay will win. He has the support of all women, gay horny men, and a majority of the white community.

Ruben, well, he has basically the African American community. :o
Clay? Yuck - I am not attracted to him at all (sorry Clay)!!!

RYN
May 21st, 2003, 03:26 AM
I HOPE RUBEN WINS HE HAS SUCH A SEXY VOICE!

This coming from a 15 y/o gay guy haha.

R&J
May 21st, 2003, 03:28 AM
I HOPE RUBEN WINS HE HAS SUCH A SEXY VOICE!

This coming from a 15 y/o gay guy haha.
15 - wow? you came out early. Nice to hear strong minded 'young adults', being strong enough to deal. But then again I came out when I was 16. Take care!

Princess Fiona
May 21st, 2003, 10:00 AM
Westlife? Arrrhhhh! HELP!!

P. Fiona,

Living to Singapore I'm subjected(ahem..) to
more sugary pop than I can take without getting
cavaties!! Did you know that Aussie pop is huge
here? There was a mob street at some Bardot
autograph session years ago.

Sad to think that bland pop music is type of
material the winners of AI end up doing. I hope
Reuben will win and leave that show with some
dignity. Hope he doesn't end up doing nothing
but ballads- ala -Luther Vandross.

:wavey:

Westlife, aaargh, indeed... (This is a 'swear word' for me!! :sad: ;) ) Sorry you're subjected to such pop too... They have had so many #1 singles here in the UK!! It's, it's, it's... *speechless* ;) I should consider leaving the country right? ;) I apologise to Westlife fans reading...

I don't know about Aussie pop or Bardot - I have been told about such music by a friend but I'm not really 'familiar' with them... Aaah... *curious* ;)

I knooooow... Well, I'm a big Clay fan (though I also like Ruben) and it pains me to think of some of the songs they'll be singing. I tell myself that Clay knew what he was getting into with this contract but if I hear him sing A NOTE!! of a Westlife song I'll like, lose the will to live... *sniff* ;) I hope their contracts will give them 'some' freedom and I musn't be so negative...