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Cybelle Darkholme
May 14th, 2003, 09:14 PM
We know who the men clay specialists are but who in the world are the clay specialists on the women side?

bbypk
May 14th, 2003, 09:18 PM
Conchita, ASV, CLijsters, Henin, Mauresmo, COetzer

eshell
May 14th, 2003, 09:27 PM
Generally, most of the women tend to be all court players.

I can't think of anyone who is a clay court specialist.

Hmm, maybe Clarissa Fernandez or Ruano Pascal.

Ryan
May 14th, 2003, 09:32 PM
Off the top of my head:


Conchita
Magui
Ruano
Fernandez
Pistolesi


I dont think any current top players could be called clay court specialists (Henin/Clijsters) because they have had very good results on all surfaces.

Coetzer has always played well on every surface too, but I think she could be called a clay courter as well.

Mad-About-Venus
May 14th, 2003, 09:35 PM
Basically all European raised women are clay specialists right? At least western European, I'm not sure about Russians though. Also South American raised players seem to be specialists.

King Lindsay
May 14th, 2003, 09:53 PM
Basically all European raised women are clay specialists right?

no, John Mcenroe, that is not true.

Kim Clijsters is a clay court specialist? Huh.

There are a lot of players that are most at home on the clay courts, but clay isn't the tumultuous force it is in the men's game. If you want clay court specialists, think of Gala Leon Garcia or Fabiola Zuluaga or somebody like that whose results are so much better on dirt.

And i don't think Conchita Martinez qualifies. I know, I know, but i have a hard time classifying somebody with a Wimbledon title as her ONLY Slam as a clay court specialist.

venusfan
May 14th, 2003, 09:56 PM
Conchita, ASV, CLijsters, Henin, Mauresmo, COetzer


Wow, that's a bunch of them.... how many French Open titles does each has?

Ryan
May 14th, 2003, 09:57 PM
no, John Mcenroe, that is not true.

Kim Clijsters is a clay court specialist? Huh.

There are a lot of players that are most at home on the clay courts, but clay isn't the tumultuous force it is in the men's game. If you want clay court specialists, think of Gala Leon Garcia or Fabiola Zuluaga or somebody like that whose results are so much better on dirt.

And i don't think Conchita Martinez qualifies. I know, I know, but i have a hard time classifying somebody with a Wimbledon title as her ONLY Slam as a clay court specialist.


I was thinking the same thing, but 20 of her 46 titles have been on clay, 4th most all-time. But you're right, she has reached finals of every
GS excluding US Open.


Gala and Fabiola too
Patty?
Marta
Rossana

King Lindsay
May 14th, 2003, 10:01 PM
Wow, that's a bunch of them.... how many French Open titles does each has?

A grand total of three, all won by Arantxa sanchez Vicario. Should tell you something about the validity of that list.

Sofiane
May 14th, 2003, 10:03 PM
Conchita Martinez
Fabiola Zulaga
Verginia R. Pascual
Paola Suarez
Clarisa Fernandez

Dava
May 14th, 2003, 10:14 PM
Henin, Suarez, Babsi, Patty, Zulaga and Conchi are the names which spring to mind instantly but there are others.

tennisIlove09
May 14th, 2003, 10:18 PM
Most of the women [top women anyway] can play on all surfaces.

Many list Henin-Hardenne as a clay specialist, yet she's had her best slam at Wimbledon :)

Certainly, you have players who favor clay like Conchita--but she also won Wimbledon.

Again, the women generally can play on all surfaces.

I think the lower ranked players are more "specialists"

Cristina Torrens-Valero generally has her best results on clay; Paola Suarez only seems to be factor on clay; Clarisa Fernandez [although she looked good at the Canadian last year]; Magui Serna [but, like Henin and Martinez, she's done well on grass]

Nacho
May 14th, 2003, 10:19 PM
King Lindsay, you dont have to win the French Open to be a clay courter :rolleyes:

griffin
May 14th, 2003, 10:38 PM
I think the point is, people usually think of "clay court specialists" as players whose results on clay are consistently and markedly better than their results on other surfaces.

It's hard to say that about someone who's won a slam on GRASS.

WtaTour4Ever
May 14th, 2003, 10:40 PM
Yeah a clay court specialist is just a nice way of saying I suck on all other surfaces :-)

Zenith
May 14th, 2003, 10:50 PM
Would Serena be classified as a clay court specialist for winning the FO? If not, why is Justine one and she hasn't yet won the FO?

WtaTour4Ever
May 14th, 2003, 11:08 PM
Serena wouldn't be classified as one b/c she has GREAT results on all surfaces. Justine has her best results tourny wise on clay ....even though not GS wise. Which is why she would be a clay court specialist in some peoples' eyes.

This is similar to the comment Venus(or Serena) made about not thinking that Steffi Graf was a grass court player even though she has one X #of Wimbledons .....its not meant as an insult!!

Dava
May 14th, 2003, 11:11 PM
Look Conchi winning Wimby was a fluke there is no way anyone could have predicted that, I mean it would be liek prediting that Kuetan would win Wimby.

harloo
May 14th, 2003, 11:19 PM
IMO, Justine Henin is a clay court specialist, however she's good on grass also. I just feel the clay suits her game well, and since she has grown up on the surface she has an extra advantage on it. On grass she is more likely to be beaten by one of the big babes.

Kuti Kis&Monica
May 14th, 2003, 11:25 PM
Paola, Vivi, Magui, Conchita, Angeles, Cristina, Asa, Rita K.K ( :D )

Lisbeth
May 14th, 2003, 11:27 PM
Actually there are probably as many "hard court specialists" at the moment, looking at all the fairly highly ranked Americans, and others, who don't get on too well with clay. But not in the top 8 or so, they're all pretty even, with the possible exception of Henin-Hardenne who seems to be great on everything but exceptional on clay. I also heard someone call Tanasugarn a grass court specialist!

ptkten
May 14th, 2003, 11:29 PM
Everyone has their own opinion on what a specialist is. I tend to think that where you have your best results is what surface you're a specialist on. Therefore, out of the top 10, I would say Henin and Mauresmo are clay court specialists. Not exclusively good on clay, that's just their best surface. Others include Schnyder, Pistolesi, Farina Elia, Coetzer, Martinez, and possibly Seles

niceman
May 14th, 2003, 11:49 PM
well, i did a Clay TOP 30 thread,
Vera no doubt is a great clay courter,
she is actually ranked in TOP 5,
Vera is a clay courter,

no, John Mcenroe, that is not true.

Kim Clijsters is a clay court specialist? Huh.

There are a lot of players that are most at home on the clay courts, but clay isn't the tumultuous force it is in the men's game. If you want clay court specialists, think of Gala Leon Garcia or Fabiola Zuluaga or somebody like that whose results are so much better on dirt.

And i don't think Conchita Martinez qualifies. I know, I know, but i have a hard time classifying somebody with a Wimbledon title as her ONLY Slam as a clay court specialist.
actually, one of the reason she can win
Wimbledon is coz she uses single handed BH,
and she can slice more effectively,
that is why Justine Henin is called
the grass/clay specialist,
even though i do understand why
Conchita's run was considered a fluke "now",
but hey, have who has won a Slam anyways...:)
so who is to say that's a fluke

there are in fact quite a few clay courters,
i believe all Espanol players are pretty much clay
courters, and Italian players too are.......
coz i believe red clay is too much in the country,
while France doesnt really have anyone coming out,
btw, i dont believe Mary Pierce is a clay court specialist

also, Martina Hingis, Vera Zvonera, and many
who can get by with consistencies....

but it's funny to add that there are no
really a clay courter in USA,
maybe a green clay specislist,
but no real red clay specialist...:)

~|Naomi|~
May 15th, 2003, 03:04 AM
Kim isn't a clay court specialist, she is a good clay player but not a specialist, she is an indoor specialist ;)

Henin is a clay specialist though

treufreund
May 15th, 2003, 03:31 AM
I think someone like Meghann Shaughnessy or Maureen Drake seem to be hard-court specialists. The shoe should sometimes be put on the other foot cuz if you are going to sort of implicitly insult players by calling them clay court specialist then the same could be said about grass or hard courts. Just because hard courts now dominate the game (leading to mostly baseline duals and lots of stress injuries!) does not mean it is the "standard" of tennis IMO. Traditionally GRASS and clay have been the main surfaces.

switz
May 15th, 2003, 03:40 AM
there are very few. sure people might think patty comes to mind, but then you got to consider that her only tier I title was indoors in zurich, she has made the fourth round of the australian open 4 times, made the quarters of the us open, whereas she has only made one quater final and one fourth round at roland garros. there is no doubt in my mind, however, that clay is patty's best surface, but she can play just as well on other surfaces, and therefore she cannot be considered a clay specialist in my opinion. it is just too difficult to name individuals.

F-R-E-A-K
May 15th, 2003, 03:41 AM
Henin, ASV, Conchita, Hingis... she use to reallly use the clay to her advantage.

MAURO
May 15th, 2003, 03:47 AM
Henin
Suarez
Martinez
Zuluaga

persond
May 15th, 2003, 05:51 AM
:cool: I'll bet a "fat man" that Serena and Jenn could really care less about the "clay court specialists", especially since they won the French Open, and the list of "specialists haven't!!! Sanchez-Vicario, excepted...!!! :p :p

:cool: Seems pointless to me to be a "specialist" without having won the top "clay court trophy"...!!! :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

moby
May 15th, 2003, 06:23 AM
why is martina a clay court specialist???
she plays well on anything

King Lindsay
May 15th, 2003, 06:43 AM
King Lindsay, you dont have to win the French Open to be a clay courter :rolleyes:

when did I say that? :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: If you're going to criticize me, criticize something I wrote.

Gallofa
May 15th, 2003, 09:13 AM
Conchita is great in all surfaces, but her best one is clay, no doubt about that, she feels right at home, and considering her lighting speed across the court, it also favors her turtle speed qualities :D

Having said that, I don't think you can say that her Wimbledon title was a fluke. Have you even seen her play on grass? Correct me if I am wrong, but Conchita is one of the few players that has titles on all surfaces. She's no fluke.

When I think of a clay court specialist I think of Dragomir, dunno why :D

irma
May 15th, 2003, 09:40 AM
eric von harpen disagreed that clay was conchita's best surface. he said that she only liked it because she was lazy;)

Flatstat
May 15th, 2003, 09:54 AM
eric von harpen disagreed that clay was conchita's best surface. he said that she only liked it because she was lazy;)

and Conchita would be the first to agree :bounce:

MartinaI
May 15th, 2003, 10:55 AM
Mediterranean Europeans and South Americans all grew up on clay so really they are the clay court specialists eg Martinez, Sanchez Vicario, Clarisa Fernandez, Serra-Zanetti sisters,etc

Experimentee
May 15th, 2003, 03:54 PM
Most of the top women play well on all surfaces so they wouldnt be called clay court specialists even if they're good on clay. Clay court specialists are those players that dont do as well on other surfaces as they do on clay. My list would be something like:

Patty Schnyder (even though she has a tier I on carpet her clay results are generally better than anything else)
Vera Zvonareva
Anna Pistolesi
Silvia Farina Elia
Conchita Martinez
Clarisa Fernandez
Paola Suarez
Magui Serna
Virgina Ruano Pascual
Kata Srebotnik
Fabiola Zuluaga
Emilie Loit
Conchita Martinez Granados
Ludmilla Cervanova
Sanchez Lorenzo
Torrens Valero
Rossana De Los Rios
Angeles Montolio before her slump

cooolconchita
May 15th, 2003, 04:28 PM
Conchi reached the semis at Wimbledon in 93 and 95, as well as the quarters in 01, so I think that you have to say she is an all-court player, not a clay court specialist.

I think Ruxandra Dragomir and Alex Stevenson.