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Whatzup
May 13th, 2003, 09:09 PM
I think that Anna made the women tennis sport much more popular. Almost the whole world know who is Anna Kournikova and I think she is the most famous tennisstar in the world! Every tournament will have her in the players list because more people will come! Look at the challengers where she is playing now, that tournaments doesn't mean nothing for the most, but since Anna joined them last week it's a total other story!

I think that Anna is very important for the WTA tour --> (You know what I mean don't look at the results ;) )

What do you think?

http://www.oxo.gen.tr/anna/img/site_r2_c5.jpg

Mad-About-Venus
May 13th, 2003, 09:12 PM
I think you are entitled to dream large. If that makes you happy, then so be it. :wavey:

WhatTheDeuce
May 13th, 2003, 09:15 PM
I think you are entitled to dream large. If that makes you happy, then so be it. :wavey:
:wavey:

omg, you are ignorant if you don't think anna is important to the tour. she brings many fans to watch...whether she is THE MOST IMPORTANT, i dont think so...but the point is that she is important and brings alot of fans...theres no DENYING something as obvious as that...

Cariaoke
May 13th, 2003, 09:19 PM
:wavey: I'll agree that Anna brought the casual male fan into the game, a little. But I'd say Venus and Serena brought in the motherload, fatherload, kiddyload and payload. :D

Mad-About-Venus
May 13th, 2003, 09:22 PM
:wavey:

omg, you are ignorant if you don't think anna is important to the tour. she brings many fans to watch...whether she is THE MOST IMPORTANT, i dont think so...but the point is that she is important and brings alot of fans...theres no DENYING something as obvious as that...


Read the title again, will you please????? Just read it again??

" WTA Tour is nothing without Anna", and I am supposed to believe and support that???? That the WTA is nothing without Anna?? There would be no fans without Anna?? There would be no craziness without Anna?? Then why did Monica Seles get stabbed?? There was no Anna then?

Like I said, if that's what he thinks and he is happy that way, then so be it. And if you think I'm ignorant because I think the WTA would still be popular without Anna, then that's your God DAmn Problem.

tennisIlove09
May 13th, 2003, 09:22 PM
Anna is a large part of the reason tennis is so popular. Like it or not, without her, the tour would be hurt.

Spirit
May 13th, 2003, 09:24 PM
Here's a reverse statement for you: I don't think Anna would be anything without the WTA.

The world is full of supermodels and gorgeous women. Anna is famous because she is an athlete as well as a model, and her tennis results got her noticed before she turned the age of 18.

Without tennis to launch her name, she'd be just another face in the pretty-girl Moscow crowd.

Mad-About-Venus
May 13th, 2003, 09:25 PM
Here's a reverse statement for you: I don't think Anna would be anything without the WTA.

The world is full of supermodels and gorgeous women. Anna is famous because she is an athlete as well as a model, and her tennis results got her noticed before she turned the age of 18.

Without tennis to launch her name, she'd be just another face in the pretty-girl Moscow crowd.


Oh man, why couldn't I have come up with something like this. This is too good. :worship:

Martian Willow
May 13th, 2003, 09:30 PM
Back in 97-98, there was a whole bunch of players that were bringing new interest to the game, not just Anna but Martina, the Sisters, Lucic etc...now the Willams are the only ones still around. So you can't give all the credit for the boom to Kournikova.

The tour would still be - in fact, is - something to me without Anna, otherwise why would I be here?

Dava
May 13th, 2003, 09:31 PM
No I think the Williams sisters are holding ship. The staduim in Rome was much more packed out then I had seen it yet during Serenas match. I think that the tour IS hurting without Hingis, and I think SHE is the reason for more popularity amoung the sport rather then ANNA.

ico4498
May 13th, 2003, 09:32 PM
Anna does add something. But its silly to say the tour is nothing without her ...

Whatzup
May 13th, 2003, 09:32 PM
Yes I agree with you all, but maybe the title is a little bit wrong but what I wanted to say is that Anna is important for the WTAtour! Offcourse there are more popular players! :D

WhatTheDeuce
May 13th, 2003, 09:35 PM
Read the title again, will you please????? Just read it again??

" WTA Tour is nothing without Anna", and I am supposed to believe and support that???? That the WTA is nothing without Anna?? There would be no fans without Anna?? There would be no craziness without Anna?? Then why did Monica Seles get stabbed?? There was no Anna then?

Like I said, if that's what he thinks and he is happy that way, then so be it. And if you think I'm ignorant because I think the WTA would still be popular without Anna, then that's your God DAmn Problem.
sorry madaboutvenus ;)

i wasnt paying attention...

WhatTheDeuce
May 13th, 2003, 09:35 PM
Yes I agree with you all, but maybe the title is a little bit wrong but what I wanted to say is that Anna is important for the WTAtour! Offcourse there are more popular players! :D
thats what i thought...

ys
May 13th, 2003, 09:45 PM
Two most marketable players of the generation - Kournikova and Hingis are out of big game. And it is a definite problem for WTA. Williamses don't sell much, Belgians sell even less.

harloo
May 13th, 2003, 09:49 PM
In the past Anna use to be a factor in the growth of the sport, but no longer is she the force that she once was. IMHO, her novelty have worn out and now the public and fans alike are less tolerate of her lack of the willingness to improve.

I think the peak of the women's game was in 1999 when you had the Williams/Hingis rivalry, but not only that because you had Mary Pierce, Lindsay Davenport, Monica Seles, Aranxta, and many others competing well. In a way it was like the old breed vs. the new breed of players. IMO, Anna did not fit in that equation.

I will say that Anna does have her hardcore fans which are mainly 13 year old boys, or dirty old men. Anna is a star. I think maybe she would of been better suited in Hollywood. Tennis is something that she never has taken seriously, because during the time when the big babes weren't much of a factor she let her opportunities slip.

Just think what if Anna did not take this path and decided to focus solely on tennis? She would of at least won a Tier I. She has been up and down in and out for so long at this point I don't think their is redemption. The other russian girls are winning titles(not big ones) but they are winning. Elena L just won her first one, and Elena is not all that good but she strung together a few good ones and beat out the top. Now if I'm not mistaken even Dinara has a title, and she is not even fully developed yet.

So, I tend to think the Anna situation is good and bad for women's sports. Good because of her star quality and exposure, and bad because of her being one of the most popular tennis stars who has never won a tournament. Coporate America is giving off the message that we will reward you if you are a beautiful women without results, which IMO is sexist and degrades women's tennis.

selesfan
May 13th, 2003, 09:57 PM
Anna who? I think the WTA tour is fine without her. I have too many players that I like to miss her. That is not saying I dislike her but the tour is not dependant on any one player.

Whatzup
May 13th, 2003, 10:02 PM
I agree with you all!

But I have one point:

There is a new Tennisgame out!

And on the cover Anna Kournikova joins #1 Lleyton Hewitt!

So they don't do that for nothing!!! :D

But yes if you look at the results there are more popular players!! :D

ys
May 13th, 2003, 10:08 PM
Anna who? I think the WTA tour is fine without her. I have too many players that I like to miss her. That is not saying I dislike her but the tour is not dependant on any one player.

Fine? Because tennis are now being dominated by players who generate very little interest among general public, they, first time for many many years, left USA with no wide tennis coverage for almost 6 weeks, and nobody cares. Should it be the old good WTA with Kournikova, Hingis and Graf at top flight, they would not dare to do that..

And now, ATP sucks as never. WTA is dominated by players who play very little, so it is perfect time to launch The Tennis Channel, because currently the marketability of tennis is probably at all time low, and the losses because of no coverage are minimal.

In an year or so, when ATP will get rid of relics like Agassi and goes thru the Era of Nobodies, and WTA will finish the Era of Williams dominance, Dark Ages will be over and interest will soar again.

Dava
May 13th, 2003, 10:17 PM
I actually think its good to have a lower ranked player with such popularity. Imagine your Joe Public in Miami, you fancy the ass off Anna K, and you go to watch her play Snuffkin, Stankina something like that anyway. You get there and this girl is pretty damn good at her tennis, therefore you get into her, watch more of her matches, look for her results.

You see what I mean.

VS Fan
May 13th, 2003, 10:17 PM
Well, when Anna first broke into the tennis world, she was WINNING, and actually made it to a Semifinal at Wimbledon and a FINAL at Key Biscayne. THIS is what launched her career.

She also was a singles top Ten player for a tear or two after this.

However, today Anna is only important to draw crowds to the early rounds in the tourneys that she enters. It is SAD, because she showed SO MUCH potential early in her carrer, but now just doesn't apply herself. I BELIEVE she has the talant to win tourneys, but doesn't properly apply herselfto get the results like she did early on.

selesfan
May 13th, 2003, 10:21 PM
Fine? Because tennis are now being dominated by players who generate very little interest among general public, they, first time for many many years, left USA with no wide tennis coverage for almost 6 weeks, and nobody cares. Should it be the old good WTA with Kournikova, Hingis and Graf at top flight, they would not dare to do that..

And now, ATP sucks as never. WTA is dominated by players who play very little, so it is perfect time to launch The Tennis Channel, because currently the marketability of tennis is probably at all time low, and the losses because of no coverage are minimal.

In an year or so, when ATP will get rid of relics like Agassi and goes thru the Era of Nobodies, and WTA will finish the Era of Williams dominance, Dark Ages will be over and interest will soar again.

Unfortunately, tennis has never been popular in the states, it has nothing to do with Anna, we never see her matches anyway unless she is in a final.

harloo
May 13th, 2003, 10:22 PM
;) Fine? Because tennis are now being dominated by players who generate very little interest among general public, they, first time for many many years, left USA with no wide tennis coverage for almost 6 weeks, and nobody cares. Should it be the old good WTA with Kournikova, Hingis and Graf at top flight, they would not dare to do that..


In an year or so, when ATP will get rid of relics like Agassi and goes thru the Era of Nobodies, and WTA will finish the Era of Williams dominance, Dark Ages will be over and interest will soar again.


It's a known fact that the clay court season is not as big here in America as in other countries. Any tennis fan would know that fact.

Yes, these are the Dark Ages for those who hate the Williams. I will be glad when YOUR Dark Ages are over. However, right now I think you will continue to pout in your own misery.

LOL :rolleyes: :D

Dava
May 13th, 2003, 10:25 PM
I know Anna used to win, I wish she could get back, and to think she nearly got seeded for Aus Open.

Tennis is only popular in certain regions when the specified season comes along. For example in the UK no-one gives a what untill Rolland garros.

VS Fan
May 13th, 2003, 10:25 PM
I kinda like these "Dark Ages"

Prepare for about 5 more years of this!!

harloo
May 13th, 2003, 10:26 PM
Unfortunately, tennis has never been popular in the states, it has nothing to do with Anna, we never see her matches anyway unless she is in a final.

Always wonder why I never get to see Anna on television anymore. :devil: :angel:

thanks for the info selesfan. :D

Dava
May 13th, 2003, 10:27 PM
5 years!!! I dont think I can take that long, I just hope she can turn it around like Cappy and win a slam in the latter stage of her career.

selesfan
May 13th, 2003, 10:28 PM
Always wondered why I never got to see any on television. :devil: :angel:

thanks for the info selesfan. :D

No problem. We also never got to see Martina Hingis' matches either except for finals. All my tennis friends love the Williams sisters, Jen, Monica and Lindsay, so I guess Martina and Anna aren't the reason for no tennis on tv.

VS Fan
May 13th, 2003, 10:30 PM
As for "tennis is dominated by those who generate very little interest for the general public"????

I guess Reebok, McDonald's, Doublemint, Puma, Avon, and many others are just also out of touch, and blowing MILLIONS of advertizing dollars to a public that doesn't care anything about the current tennis champions.

Dava
May 13th, 2003, 10:34 PM
I think The Williams' sister are almost above tennis, but I have noticed these adverts, and endorsements only seem to come up when there is a big tournament in America.

Jarrett
May 13th, 2003, 10:47 PM
Anna is a large part of the reason tennis is so popular. Like it or not, without her, the tour would be hurt.

We are practically "without" her now.

BK4ever
May 13th, 2003, 10:49 PM
Please we all know that certain posters are asses and saying that Hingis did more for the game than the Williams earns them their full ASS stripes...

It never amazes me how much some people are blinded by their hate of all things V&S

LOL...

Tennis is hugely popular right now and its growing fast...I cant even get a court when I go to the public parks anymore...that was not the case a few years ago...I play tennis at the USTA tennis center...It is more crowded than its ever been...All of their classes are sold out within days...

The most important fact here is that tennis among minorities is the fastest growing sector...

On the real subject of Anna...the media created a frenzy around Anna and therefore generated the anna mania craze...it was a well oiled publicity machine by Octagon...they did a great job...

In a few months, maybe years...another top marketing company will do the same for some other player and Anna will be a distant memory...that is unless she finally produces something on the court...

All Anna has become is a laughing stock...and thats truly sad because she is very talented...she is now suffering the consequences of being hyped without the results...

ys
May 13th, 2003, 10:52 PM
As for "tennis is dominated by those who generate very little interest for the general public"????

I guess Reebok, McDonald's, Doublemint, Puma, Avon, and many others are just also out of touch, and blowing MILLIONS of advertizing dollars to a public that doesn't care anything about the current tennis champions.

All those companies are oriented for a low-taste prol's market. Attracting prol's money is OK, but that's a separate segment of market. There are no players now to advertise among the traditional tennis public - upper-middle and upper class. You can put Kournikova into Charles Schwab commercial, and even if she looks a bit silly there, the ad definitely worked. Can you put Serena in a similar commercial? Of course not - she has ZERO appeal for that kind of public. You can have Kournikova play an exhibition by invitation of royal family in UK. Williams? LOL.. And big money ( IBM, HP, Mercedes, Adidas, Charles Schwab, Rolex, Omega, Raymond Weil ) that were traditionally associated with tennis are not that much interested right now, because nobody would be appropriate to represent them now. And that's why the sport suffers currently.

BK4ever
May 13th, 2003, 11:12 PM
All those companies are oriented for a low-taste prol's market. Attracting prol's money is OK, but that's a separate segment of market. There are no players now to advertise among the traditional tennis public - upper-middle and upper class. You can put Kournikova into Charles Schwab commercial, and even if she looks a bit silly there, the ad definitely worked. Can you put Serena in a similar commercial? Of course not - she has ZERO appeal for that kind of public. You can have Kournikova play an exhibition by invitation of royal family in UK. Williams? LOL.. And big money ( IBM, HP, Mercedes, Adidas, Charles Schwab, Rolex, Omega, Raymond Weil ) that were traditionally associated with tennis are not that much interested right now, because nobody would be appropriate to represent them now. And that's why the sport suffers currently.

Please tell me why Serena or Venus would not be appropriate for a exhibition at the Royal Family...if u are going to say it then you should give reasoning...

The fact that all those companies listed above are not associated with tennis is a more public way is not because of V&S but because of the economic climate...

All but one of those companies you listed continues to sponsor tennis events...just not on the grand scale that they were when the economy was booming.

You go to any extent to discredit what V&S has done for the game and will continue to do...now the brands they represent are low taste...lol...

Puma is one of the most innovative and fastest growing brands in the footwear market...

Reebok, since resigning Venus and NBA star Allen Iverson has seen triple digit growth...

Avon is one of the most popular brands in America...

Wrigleys is the largest manufacturer and marketer of gums in the world...

BTW...Serena and Venus would be perfect for a Charles Schwab ad, at least they understand what an investment is and they earned their money by working hard...not by pimping themselves...

ys
May 13th, 2003, 11:19 PM
Please tell me why Serena or Venus would not be appropriate for a exhibition at the Royal Family...if u are going to say it then you should give reasoning...

Actually I would give.. Have no time right now. Car is waiting for me and I need to catch the plane.. When I am back from my trip tomorrow night, if the thread is still up, we'll continue..

*JR*
May 13th, 2003, 11:29 PM
All those companies are oriented for a low-taste prol's market. Attracting prol's money is OK, but that's a separate segment of market. There are no players now to advertise among the traditional tennis public - upper-middle and upper class. You can put Kournikova into Charles Schwab commercial, and even if she looks a bit silly there, the ad definitely worked. Can you put Serena in a similar commercial? Of course not - she has ZERO appeal for that kind of public. You can have Kournikova play an exhibition by invitation of royal family in UK. Williams? LOL.. And big money ( IBM, HP, Mercedes, Adidas, Charles Schwab, Rolex, Omega, Raymond Weil ) that were traditionally associated with tennis are not that much interested right now, because nobody would be appropriate to represent them now. And that's why the sport suffers currently. So fuck tradition! They said the same thing about, OMG, metal racquets. ys, we were using virtually the same anti-war arguements, so I'm shocked @ posts like this. I'm not black, but if I've ever seen "code-word racism", this is the purest example I can recall on this board! :eek: And what you're saying is that any marketing (pardon the pun) "trick" the game "turns" is OK so long as it keeps tennis "safely in the country clubs". Sure you're not the press agent for Indian Wells? :rolleyes: (BTW, how was the segregated prom last week)?

BK4ever
May 13th, 2003, 11:32 PM
Actually I would give.. Have no time right now. Car is waiting for me and I need to catch the plane.. When I am back from my trip tomorrow night, if the thread is still up, we'll continue..

Don't bother it wouldnt really make any difference..you hate Venus and Serena and you cant see past it. I just want you to know that you dont have to put down V&S's impact on the game in order to lift Anna's or anyone else's...

Most of what you have written above and will probably write reeks of V&S hatred...this discussion is ultimately headed no where...

Have a safe trip...

leslie
May 13th, 2003, 11:41 PM
Please we all know that certain posters are asses and saying that Hingis did more for the game than the Williams earns them their full ASS stripes...

It never amazes me how much some people are blinded by their hate of all things V&S

LOL...

Tennis is hugely popular right now and its growing fast...I cant even get a court when I go to the public parks anymore...that was not the case a few years ago...I play tennis at the USTA tennis center...It is more crowded than its ever been...All of their classes are sold out within days...

The most important fact here is that tennis among minorities is the fastest growing sector...

On the real subject of Anna...the media created a frenzy around Anna and therefore generated the anna mania craze...it was a well oiled publicity machine by Octagon...they did a great job...

In a few months, maybe years...another top marketing company will do the same for some other player and Anna will be a distant memory...that is unless she finally produces something on the court...

All Anna has become is a laughing stock...and thats truly sad because she is very talented...she is now suffering the consequences of being hyped without the results...

She is a distance memory right now.

leslie
May 13th, 2003, 11:44 PM
All those companies are oriented for a low-taste prol's market. Attracting prol's money is OK, but that's a separate segment of market. There are no players now to advertise among the traditional tennis public - upper-middle and upper class. You can put Kournikova into Charles Schwab commercial, and even if she looks a bit silly there, the ad definitely worked. Can you put Serena in a similar commercial? Of course not - she has ZERO appeal for that kind of public. You can have Kournikova play an exhibition by invitation of royal family in UK. Williams? LOL.. And big money ( IBM, HP, Mercedes, Adidas, Charles Schwab, Rolex, Omega, Raymond Weil ) that were traditionally associated with tennis are not that much interested right now, because nobody would be appropriate to represent them now. And that's why the sport suffers currently.

Man, you are so delusional.

leslie
May 13th, 2003, 11:47 PM
Please tell me why Serena or Venus would not be appropriate for a exhibition at the Royal Family...if u are going to say it then you should give reasoning...

The fact that all those companies listed above are not associated with tennis is a more public way is not because of V&S but because of the economic climate...

All but one of those companies you listed continues to sponsor tennis events...just not on the grand scale that they were when the economy was booming.

You go to any extent to discredit what V&S has done for the game and will continue to do...now the brands they represent are low taste...lol...

Puma is one of the most innovative and fastest growing brands in the footwear market...

Reebok, since resigning Venus and NBA star Allen Iverson has seen triple digit growth...

Avon is one of the most popular brands in America...

Wrigleys is the largest manufacturer and marketer of gums in the world...

BTW...Serena and Venus would be perfect for a Charles Schwab ad, at least they understand what an investment is and they earned their money by working hard...not by pimping themselves...

Awesome post. Well said. :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

Infiniti2001
May 13th, 2003, 11:51 PM
All those companies are oriented for a low-taste prol's market. Attracting prol's money is OK, but that's a separate segment of market. There are no players now to advertise among the traditional tennis public - upper-middle and upper class. You can put Kournikova into Charles Schwab commercial, and even if she looks a bit silly there, the ad definitely worked. Can you put Serena in a similar commercial? Of course not - she has ZERO appeal for that kind of public. You can have Kournikova play an exhibition by invitation of royal family in UK. Williams? LOL.. And big money ( IBM, HP, Mercedes, Adidas, Charles Schwab, Rolex, Omega, Raymond Weil ) that were traditionally associated with tennis are not that much interested right now, because nobody would be appropriate to represent them now. And that's why the sport suffers currently.

ys, that's just flat out racist and untrue.Anna was pure teen guy sex, not a "classy" endorser.Her best shot would have actually been endorsing beer if you asked me :fiery: She doesn't appeal to wealthy, well-heeled people--she appeals to acne-faced guys jerking off in their parents' basements. That IS her constituency and you can take it to the bank :devil: :mad: :o :fiery: People like you are so full of your own delusions about what's happening. P.S. got the gc yet? :rolleyes:

leslie
May 13th, 2003, 11:52 PM
This post is suppose to be about Ann and yet ys cannot do with out bringing V&S into it that is how powerful they are. when threads are posted about the Sisters you certainly do not see Ann's name pop up. There's nowhere in a V&S thread where Anna would fit.

Cybelle Darkholme
May 13th, 2003, 11:52 PM
The Tour was here before anna and it will be here after. She is not that important. Hell if she was that important then the tour would be about to collapse because SHE IS NOT PLAYING TOURNAMENTS. she's playing challengers. She DOES NOT EVEN MAKE IT TO QUARTERFINALS. Sometimes not even second rounds. So who are all these people paying money to see at these tournaments? Not anna because she is not there past round two and she only plays a handfull of tournaments.

I guess if you are desperate to build her up thats your business.

Fingon
May 13th, 2003, 11:52 PM
Well precisely, the fact that without Anna playing the WTA tourn cannot attact fans shows that Anna wasn't benefitial for the tour.

Simply put, she brought a lot of people to watch matches, and go to tournament, to see her, it was a short term gain only, because when she wan't longer there those "fans" just went away.

It would have been positive if Anna's popularity would have getting people actually interested in tennis, but it didn't, they only were interested in Anna and without Anna there is no interest in tennis for them.

And another downsize, the way Anna has been marketted really gave a lot of people a wrong impression about the world of tennis, there has been so much hype and marketing around Anna that tennis simply got buried and ignored, and it showed that you don't have to work hard or to win, you just need to look good.

The interest was in what dress was Anna going to wear, if she was wearing a ponytail or not and not in the game, that's why without Anna those fans couldn't care less about tennis. If you need to have an Anna Kournikova to attract fans, they you are doing a poor job selling the sport.

Car Key Boi
May 14th, 2003, 12:19 AM
Well precisely, the fact that without Anna playing the WTA tourn cannot attact fans shows that Anna wasn't benefitial for the tour.

Simply put, she brought a lot of people to watch matches, and go to tournament, to see her, it was a short term gain only, because when she wan't longer there those "fans" just went away.

It would have been positive if Anna's popularity would have getting people actually interested in tennis, but it didn't, they only were interested in Anna and without Anna there is no interest in tennis for them.

And another downsize, the way Anna has been marketted really gave a lot of people a wrong impression about the world of tennis, there has been so much hype and marketing around Anna that tennis simply got buried and ignored, and it showed that you don't have to work hard or to win, you just need to look good.

The interest was in what dress was Anna going to wear, if she was wearing a ponytail or not and not in the game, that's why without Anna those fans couldn't care less about tennis. If you need to have an Anna Kournikova to attract fans, they you are doing a poor job selling the sport.

dude, KNOW THIS

if it wasn't for Anna Kournikova, the Car Key Boi would not be posting on wtaworld

go Anna!!

and go me!!

Ra!

- Car Key Boi http://carkeyboi.com/banana.gif

*JR*
May 14th, 2003, 12:30 AM
dude, KNOW THIS

if it wasn't for Anna Kournikova, the Car Key Boi would not be posting on wtaworld

go Anna!!

and go me!!

Ra!

- Car Key Boi http://carkeyboi.com/banana.gif
Boi, I really enjoy your trolls, and even when we debated the war in Non-Tennis. And you're usually "a good read", agree with you or not. But ys basically "came out of the closet" as a racist piece of crap who just wants "the right people" around tennis. (Sorry, but in fucking 2003?!! that's a more serious thing than the genuine entertainment you do provide). ;)

Car Key Boi
May 14th, 2003, 12:35 AM
Boi, I really enjoy your trolls, and even when we debated the war in Non-Tennis. And you're usually "a good read", agree with you or not. But ys basically "came out of the closet" as a racist piece of crap who just wants "the right people" around tennis. (Sorry, but in fucking 2003?!! that's a more serious thing than the genuine entertainment you do provide). ;)

http://carkeyboi.com/dump/PLOSTFU.gif

selesfan
May 14th, 2003, 01:03 AM
Please tell me why Serena or Venus would not be appropriate for a exhibition at the Royal Family...if u are going to say it then you should give reasoning...

The fact that all those companies listed above are not associated with tennis is a more public way is not because of V&S but because of the economic climate...

All but one of those companies you listed continues to sponsor tennis events...just not on the grand scale that they were when the economy was booming.

You go to any extent to discredit what V&S has done for the game and will continue to do...now the brands they represent are low taste...lol...

Puma is one of the most innovative and fastest growing brands in the footwear market...

Reebok, since resigning Venus and NBA star Allen Iverson has seen triple digit growth...

Avon is one of the most popular brands in America...

Wrigleys is the largest manufacturer and marketer of gums in the world...

BTW...Serena and Venus would be perfect for a Charles Schwab ad, at least they understand what an investment is and they earned their money by working hard...not by pimping themselves...

Great post! Venus & Serena are perfect for any ads. :)

selesfan
May 14th, 2003, 01:07 AM
At our Philly tournament one year, they made the mistake of giving students free tickets on the night Anna was playing, of course she lost, they were the worst bunch, they knew nothing about tennis and were heckling Justine Henin about not even being a woman. A co-volunteer and myself, stood up and cheered for Justine as she walked by because she looked so sad, that a bunch of loser students told her she looked like a man. Needless to say, the rest of the tournament sold out every night with real tennis fans, so we really didn't need Anna.

Car Key Boi
May 14th, 2003, 01:19 AM
Great post! Venus & Serena are perfect for any ads. :)

yuo're a student, right?

selesfan
May 14th, 2003, 01:51 AM
yuo're a student, right?

No, its been a long time since I was a student. ;)

*JR*
May 14th, 2003, 01:52 AM
Boi, maybe sf IS a student, so what? Nobody is perfect for EVERY ad. Indeed if you do too many, they're all diluted, a reason Michael Jordan had to strictly limit his. But don't you Corporate Bois believe in something of a meritocracy? Meaning, of course, that Jordan and the W/S had to produce first, Anna just had to show up (and I acknowledge she WAS a very promising player 5 years ago). But then, as ys reminded all of us, you needn't be right for ALL the advertisers, just the ones whose stuff is seen in country clubs...

Car Key Boi
May 14th, 2003, 02:03 AM
But don't you Corporate Bois believe in something of a meritocracy? Meaning, of course, that Jordan and the W/S had to produce first, Anna just had to show up

meritocracy? yuo're joking, right? the dollar is King

for deals like Nike, Addidas blah, sporting achievment is important for obvious reasons

for selling sexy calendars and Omegas, it's secondary...

- Car Key Boi

monicain
May 14th, 2003, 02:09 AM
And another downsize, the way Anna has been marketted really gave a lot of people a wrong impression about the world of tennis, there has been so much hype and marketing around Anna that tennis simply got buried and ignored, and it showed that you don't have to work hard or to win, you just need to look good.



Apparently you know nothing on how she's been working. :mad:

Fingon
May 14th, 2003, 02:11 AM
Apparently you know nothing on how she's been working. :mad:

I have actually seen Anna practicing in person, and it was just a big show, that was what actually put me off her.

Messenger
May 14th, 2003, 03:16 AM
A co-volunteer and myself, stood up and cheered for Justine as she walked by because she looked so sad, that a bunch of loser students told her she looked like a man.

She really heard that? :(

selesfan
May 14th, 2003, 04:30 AM
She really heard that? :(
Yes, she did. It was as she was walking through the exit and the fans were leaning over, I guess I shouldn't really say fans. ;)

rhz
May 14th, 2003, 04:31 AM
agreed

spencercarlos
May 14th, 2003, 04:41 AM
dude, KNOW THIS

if it wasn't for Anna Kournikova, the Car Key Boi would not be posting on wtaworld

go Anna!!

and go me!!

Ra!

- Car Key Boi http://carkeyboi.com/banana.gif
Sorry to be rude. But so what???

Anna has many many fans around the world. But Wta Tour success has come along with Anna winning or not. When Anna loses at Slams for example, and it has been her consistent pattern since... 1997??, it does not means that people dont see the slam semis or finals.

But actually i agree there would be a BOOM if Anna someday could win a SLAM, yes of course, we all want Anna to win something, she is the Barbie of tennis. But Wta tour won´t dissapear if Anna retires that´s for sure.

Messenger
May 14th, 2003, 06:07 AM
Yes, she did. It was as she was walking through the exit and the fans were leaning over, I guess I shouldn't really say fans. ;)

I hope when you and your friend cheered for her you did it really loud then!

manondessources2
May 14th, 2003, 07:04 AM
Hi everyone.

Anna & Martina Hingis have 90 % of all tennis websites
the others 10% to the rest of the WTA.

Thanks.