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tennisIlove09
May 12th, 2003, 07:00 AM
I just read the "Women's Look Forward" and the writer brings up a very interesting point.

If Kim gets the #2 seed/ranking for Roland Garros, it could produce what no one WANTS to see--a Williams/Williams semi and or a Henin-Hardenne/Clijsters semi.

Interesting week...

BasicTennis
May 12th, 2003, 07:18 AM
kim is destined to be no.2 seed at the RG Open.:devil:

tfannis
May 12th, 2003, 07:22 AM
If Kim would care she would have played Warsaw...she says she's not interested in rankings and I believe her :)

Lisbeth
May 12th, 2003, 07:25 AM
People keep saying this but I don't know why "people" supposedly don't want to see those semis. Surely a lot of people would LIKE a guaranteed one Williams- one Belgian final??

Apart from that, I think that like Venus, Kim would care more about being ready for RG than which seed she is, but it still must be nice to be ranked that step higher.

DiZZiA
May 12th, 2003, 07:30 AM
Even if Kim granted the #2 seed at RG2003, that doesn't mean it will definitely spoil an all-Williams final.... If #2 seed draws #3 seed in the same half..

This is gonna be exciting!!! ;)

tennnisfannn
May 12th, 2003, 07:33 AM
Interesting scenario indeed. Cosidering that this is clay, the williams have proven that they can play on it, but against the belgians they have a 50/50 chance of winning. venus this yr has been unfortunate coz she got injured and therefore hasn't played enough on clay to make a statement. Having said that, she only played AI and Hamburg last year and got to the finals. She can never be discounted. After the IO, we will know how well serena is playing this yr on clay. Kim and justine have proven themselves very capable not to mention Amelie and jen who they barely got past by.
This is my two cents: On grass and hardcourt with both williams on opposite sides, an all williams final is more than 80% guranteed.
On clay on opposite sides the chances of an all williams final is much reduced and there is as much chance of an all belgian final.
Kim and Justine on the same side of the draw does them a deservice. This is one slam that will be very interesting to watch.

WtaTour4Ever
May 12th, 2003, 07:34 AM
I don't think she cares about poss of all belgian semi....she still has to win 7 matches in a row regardless of who she plays win.

WtaTour4Ever
May 12th, 2003, 07:35 AM
And i don't understand how the all belgian semi would be a match people don't want....they have contrasting styles and are closely matched on clay.

jenglisbe
May 12th, 2003, 05:51 PM
I think Kim wants it to an extent - she would definitely like to be assured she can't play Serena until the final. She is more confident against Venus, especially on clay, so she would rather face her in the SF than Serena. Kim also has a great record against Justine and nearly beat her last week, so she would be confident against her, too.

RAA
May 12th, 2003, 05:56 PM
I don't get it.. what matchs WOUld you like to see??

when Venus and sErena are #1 and #2. then folks complain about that. now it is possible that venus and serena will be #3 and #1 respectively, and then we still don't like the match-ups??

I guess i'm not sure exactly what people are looking for interms of semis and finals...

SerenaSlam
May 12th, 2003, 06:12 PM
funnnie thing is, say kim gets number 2 rank, and she told the French Open people, to go on ahead and make her number 3 and venus number 2 for venus is and has been better than her the whole year, and also in the past on the red dirt, all her fans would be so pissed, for kim letting the "Truth" out.

harloo
May 12th, 2003, 09:01 PM
I think Venus and Serena will be on the same side because the slams were waiting for this opportunity, but with Vee's injury I don't know if she will be able to make it to the semis. I hope so though. :sad:

The all belgian semis aren't the best matchups either. I thought that Serena vs Justine last year on red clay was some great contests.

I do agree with the poster who said on clay it's 50/50 for the Williams. They still could improve on the surface, and the Belgians have a slight advantage on this surface but on grass and hard the Williams have the advantage.

I really don't think Kim really trips off the seedings. I think she just tries to win all her matches.

CJ07
May 12th, 2003, 09:43 PM
actually its the other way around

Kim has had ALOT more success against Serena than Venus

Venus usually wipes her clock other than that Hamburg match (where she lost the first set 6-1) Venus has had Kims number

VS Fan
May 12th, 2003, 10:06 PM
Kim has...
ONE win vs Serena is "a Lot more success"???

Please explain. I think she has TWO wins vs Venus.

Justine has Two wins vs Serena and One vs Venus.

Venus and Serena STILL lead the head to head stats vs these two.

moon
May 12th, 2003, 10:10 PM
If Kimmy is the #2 seed. I would love to see her play Venus. but I am fairly certain that if Vee is #3 we'll see her on Serena's side of the draw.

CJ07
May 12th, 2003, 10:10 PM
2001-08-27 U.S. Open Hardcourt QF Venus Williams (USA) 6-3 6-1
2002-04-29 Hamburg Clay F Kim Clijsters (BEL) 1-6 6-3 6-4
2002-07-22 Stanford Hardcourt F Venus Williams (USA) 6-3 6-3
2002-07-29 San Diego Hardcourt QF Venus Williams (USA) 6-3 5-7 6-4
2002-11-04 WTA Championships Indoor Hardcourt
2003-02-10 Antwerp Indoor Hardcourt F Venus Williams (USA) 6-2 6-4

That retirement doesnt count. I would have "beaten" Venus Williams that day. The girl couldn't move. It was so sad :sad:

anyway

1999-08-30 U.S. Open Hardcourt R32 Serena Williams (USA) 4-6 6-2 7-5
2000-03-06 Indian Wells Hardcourt R16 Serena Williams (USA) 6-4 6-4
2001-03-05 Indian Wells Hardcourt F Serena Williams (USA) 4-6 6-4 6-2
2001-03-19 Miami Hardcourt R16 Serena Williams (USA) 6-0 6-2
2002-09-16 Tokyo Hardcourt F Serena Williams (USA) 2-6 6-3 6-3
2002-11-04 WTA Championships Indoor Hardcourt F Kim Clijsters (BEL) 7-5 6-3
2003-01-13 Australian Open Hardcourt SF Serena Williams (USA) 4-6 6-3 7-5
2003-03-17 Miami Hardcourt SF Serena Williams (USA) 6-4 6-2

Look?

Now tell me who she does better against

SerenaSlam
May 12th, 2003, 10:34 PM
2001-08-27 U.S. Open Hardcourt QF Venus Williams (USA) 6-3 6-1
2002-04-29 Hamburg Clay F Kim Clijsters (BEL) 1-6 6-3 6-4
2002-07-22 Stanford Hardcourt F Venus Williams (USA) 6-3 6-3
2002-07-29 San Diego Hardcourt QF Venus Williams (USA) 6-3 5-7 6-4
2002-11-04 WTA Championships Indoor Hardcourt
2003-02-10 Antwerp Indoor Hardcourt F Venus Williams (USA) 6-2 6-4

That retirement doesnt count. I would have "beaten" Venus Williams that day. The girl couldn't move. It was so sad :sad:

anyway

1999-08-30 U.S. Open Hardcourt R32 Serena Williams (USA) 4-6 6-2 7-5
2000-03-06 Indian Wells Hardcourt R16 Serena Williams (USA) 6-4 6-4
2001-03-05 Indian Wells Hardcourt F Serena Williams (USA) 4-6 6-4 6-2
2001-03-19 Miami Hardcourt R16 Serena Williams (USA) 6-0 6-2
2002-09-16 Tokyo Hardcourt F Serena Williams (USA) 2-6 6-3 6-3
2002-11-04 WTA Championships Indoor Hardcourt F Kim Clijsters (BEL) 7-5 6-3
2003-01-13 Australian Open Hardcourt SF Serena Williams (USA) 4-6 6-3 7-5
2003-03-17 Miami Hardcourt SF Serena Williams (USA) 6-4 6-2

Look?

Now tell me who she does better against
talk about it, number 300 would've beaten venus williams on that damn day. kim has two wins all together against the williams sisters, one against venus and one against serena.

i think serena struggles in general more against both kim and justine, and i don't think venus struggles at all against Kim or Justine. Its just that if Venus if off, she lets them in more.

And if i read post correctly, i think you are wrong, venus won that first set 6-1 against Kim ( and kim's quotes as saying "she was hitting winners all over the place, i could only hope she started to make errors which she did and let me in the match")
:)

tennisIlove09
May 12th, 2003, 11:29 PM
I don't get it.. what matchs WOUld you like to see??

when Venus and sErena are #1 and #2. then folks complain about that. now it is possible that venus and serena will be #3 and #1 respectively, and then we still don't like the match-ups??

I guess i'm not sure exactly what people are looking for interms of semis and finals...

Frankly, I don't wanna see Williams/Williams. They never play good matches, and I always get the feeling there's more going on then meets the eye :)

ksgyh
May 12th, 2003, 11:40 PM
Why would people not want to see a V&S and a Belgian battle for the semis? What we all do *NOT* want (V&S fans excluded) is yet another all-Williams final. Sure, I would *love* to see an all-Belgian RG final, but that isn't assured. I would rather see the Belgian who happens to be playing better take on a Williams in the final, b/c at least that way, we could have our 1st Belgian GS winner.

Either way, go Kim, go Justine! The last thing I think Kim would be thinking during a match is, "Hrm, how many points do I have now? Should I lose or win this match if it's going to affect my RG seed?"

ksgyh
May 12th, 2003, 11:42 PM
I can't wait for RG!! I'm going through both tennis-coverage withdrawal and excitement of such potentially great match-ups!!

o0O0o
May 12th, 2003, 11:51 PM
This is a very interesting tournament, because the top four seeds (well, possibly excluding Venus) are all equally matched. At the French Open, would Capriati/Davenport/Rubin/Myskina etc. rather play a Belgian or a Williams sister? Tough call.

Although I think the Belgians have to be favored here. They have been destroying the clay court tournaments and have a 4-2 record against the Williams sisters on clay. Eagerly awaiting the 6-4 6-3 victory for Clijsters against Serena in the Rome final! :)

Pureracket
May 12th, 2003, 11:57 PM
If I were Kim, I would want anybody but Justine in any round of any tournament. Venus is coming off of a serious injury(even if she is healed for the FO(=), her training is shoddy). Serena is always dangerous, but I REALLY thinks she only plays on clay because a SLAM is on the surface. It's like I can see her frustration whenever she plays. Justine, on the other hand, has been dangerous for the past two years. Now, with two wins on Serena in the past two years and win over her nemesis, Kim, she would have to be highly favoured on this surface.

kell
May 13th, 2003, 01:59 AM
Kim would definately want to be #2. After the Williams battle it out in the semis, she'll be hoping the winners pretty tired. Why on earth would she want to be #3? Then she'd have to face them both (this is all provided Kim, Henin, and the Williams make it to the semis).

Anyway, even if kim didn't want to be #2, what can she do about it? Nothing. I very much doubt she'd throw matches in upcoming tournys just so she can go to the French with a lower ranking.

Cybelle Darkholme
May 15th, 2003, 01:36 AM
Since the belgians were practically born on clay who wouldn't expect them to do well? However neither belgian won the FO last year. Serena has just as much chance at taking rome as anyone else probably more since her cofindence is so high and she's mentally strong. Didn't Kim just get her butt spanked by justine? Didn't Justine just get her butt spanked by Elena? Didn't Serena just get her butt spanked by justine? See? There is no clear dominator. Clay absolutely brings everyone closer.

however once the dust settles we will be into the grass and hardcout season where serena and venus truly shine.

a williams sister has won wimbleon since 2000 and the us open since 1999!