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Becool
Oct 13th, 2001, 06:08 AM
This happend during Wimbledon 2001, when Elia def Stevenson.
Look what the article said about what happend, coming from Elia's own mouth....

"By Elia's account, her victory was a popular one in the women's tennis community.

"Nobody likes her except the Williams sisters," Elia said of Stevenson.

Before taking the court, Elia said she had been encouraged by other players. Entering the locker room following her conquest, Elia said she was applauded. "

Do you think the players still don't like Alexandra, or during the time to where we are now, everything changed? I think it's a little bit too much...
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I know it's a little bit too late for this, but there must be people in here, like me, who get shocked about what happend, if there was true.... I want to know your opinion about this... I really didn't liked it, cause I like Alex, and this kind of reaction is a little bit out of the line.. <IMG SRC="smilies/mad.gif" border="0">

Dawn Marie
Oct 13th, 2001, 06:20 AM
#1 this kind of reaction is the norm

#2 what goes on behind the scenes sometimes is so over exagerrated.

#3 well she's proud and sometimes people can't handle that.

#4 Alex is gonna win slams one day <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0"> Wimby will be hers .. wait and see

#5 Go Alex! fearless 4some rule <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0">

Seldom
Oct 13th, 2001, 06:23 AM
Yes, this is very sad... but remember, it was her Mom who got Alex on the other players bad side a few years ago...

Crazy Canuck
Oct 13th, 2001, 06:34 AM
I've read that players high five each other when Anna loses as well.
So its not just isolated to Alexandra.
Its unfortunate people are disliked that much, but if they rubbed people the wrong way, some people just deal with things in a cruel manner I guess <IMG SRC="smilies/confused.gif" border="0">

Dawn Marie
Oct 13th, 2001, 06:46 AM
Alot of parents, coaches and other people rub people the wrong way so I am not buying that one. Jelena's dad was silly and she is well liked and treated nice.


But I wouldn't call it the WTA because everyone is not the same. Their are some nice people on the women's tour. Hell imho those who are picking on her are getting their asses kicked in the tennis game anyway so who cares? NOT that elia is saying rude crap, but I am sure that whoever is being cruel is getting theres somewhere or somehow. <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0">

Williams Rulez
Oct 13th, 2001, 07:12 AM
I heard stories like these too.

Anna is disliked by almost everyone but Martina, I think it is because Anna is a little proud and people are jealous of her looks and fame and wealth.

Alex is hated mostly because of her mom. Her mom is kinda of a boostful, and that just annoys people. Sure Damir is pesky too, but he doesn't go around insulting other people.

Venus and Serena are not that popular either, esp with Martina. It is mainly because they seldom talk to any one else besides among themselves though Monica seems to have been talking to Serena a few times and Lindsay did say that Serena was a friendly person.

Jakeev
Oct 13th, 2001, 07:18 AM
We are living in troubled times right now because of what happened Sept. 11.

I can longer read posts like these with out thinking to myself all this pettiness and cattiness that supposedly transpires on tour is just purely trivial.

We have bigger things to worry about now.

Becool
Oct 13th, 2001, 07:21 AM
I just don't understand whay they hate Alexandra cause of her mom.... Like her was guilty of all the bullshits her mom did..... Actually is otherwise.. When Samantha make something wrong, or say ones of that sentences like :
"Say to Lindsay that she is nş1 on my refrigerator." (When Lindsay won Alexandra in Wimbly she was nş1 <IMG SRC="smilies/tongue.gif" border="0">)
They say Alexandra is responsable....

I can say that Anna still have the advantage.. Cause she has the midia for her, and Alex, only living on Tennis, and that´s all

Now good news : <IMG SRC="smilies/wink.gif" border="0">
When Alexandra won Julie Halard in Wimbledon 99, she said that Serena helped her before the match <IMG SRC="smilies/wink.gif" border="0">, I just thought that so cute, and so great, I hope the Williams sis, can help in someway Alexandra, with their experience on tour..

Dawn Marie
Oct 13th, 2001, 07:22 AM
Imho I think the HATE is grossly exagerrated concerning all the above mentioned players. Iroda gave Venus a compliment not to long ago. And Jelena and even Justine Henin respect Venus as a player. Alex will be fine. Anna too. They really need to focus on winning a title now. Oh Venus .. well she is alright.. she is holding her own. Making bucks kicking ass and has earned the respect as a great tennis player <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0"> Who can argue with 4 slams and all of them back to back?

[ October 13, 2001: Message edited by: Dawn Marie ]

jd4eva
Oct 13th, 2001, 08:11 AM
I think some of it is due to the parents but at the end of the day, it's the players themselves that make others like them or not.

As hard as it may be to hear, maybe Alex is arrogant and isn't nice to others.

It isn't racism either because Chanda Rubin is black and she's well respected. Jelena says she likes Venus, Serena and in fact talks a lot with Richard.

I think it just may be arrogant comments and not having enough respect for other players. If you give respect, you get it back.

Dawn Marie
Oct 13th, 2001, 08:47 AM
no comment. I just know that some of it is due to ALex being NOT white. no comment regarding Jelena and the word arrogance. Nope Nada .. mouth is shut, words are not gonna be written. Go Jelena and Alex and Venus and Anna and oh..go Rita <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0">

Has anyone ever heard what Alex has said at the end of the day? I haven't heard her say much imho. Heck she's barely in the maindraws anymore. She is stigmatised plain and simple. Just like many Americans are being right now.

[ October 13, 2001: Message edited by: Dawn Marie ]

auntie janie
Oct 13th, 2001, 12:53 PM
Dawn Marie:

If Alex is dislike, it is not because of her Mom or her race.


Earlier this year, Alex was interviewd by ESPN magazine. You may be able to find the artlcie online. In the interview, Alex makes rude and disparaging remarks about Martina Hingis and Lindsay. She also projects an unpleasant "victim" attitude.

It was this interview which turned me against Alex. To me she is the opposite of Serena and Venus, who would never, ever say the catty things Alex did to a reporter.

the cat
Oct 13th, 2001, 01:44 PM
Learning of how some players treat Alexandra Stevenson sickens me. It's always those Europeans, like the French and Italians, who are causing this crap. I of course, exclude the Russian girls from this. These girls need to grow up, and forget about their ill feelings towards others. Stevenson can't defend herself because she is not a mean person. This "hate" crap doesn't happen in men's tennis. The guys seem to get along fine. One of the bad aspects of women's tennis is the obvious hatred that goes on. But we can't blame it on girls just being girls. Can we?

moby
Oct 13th, 2001, 01:57 PM
she may be proud

but i hope no one is seriously being mean to her. she might just breakdown and pull out of the tour altogether, which means we'll lose an unpolished talent.

auntie janie
Oct 13th, 2001, 01:59 PM
Didn't you read my post, cat? Alex has brought some of this on herself.

But to some extent, you are right. Most of the players are so insulated from the real world that they are emotionally still 14-year-olds even when they hit their 20s. And this is exactly how 14-year-old girls act.

For the most part, guys yell at each other and it is over. Girls rarely yell at each other; they snip and snipe about each other behind their backs. The very thing Alex did in the interview I mentioned, in fact! <IMG SRC="smilies/redface.gif" border="0">

the cat
Oct 13th, 2001, 02:06 PM
Janie, I don't think Alex has ever treated people nearly as badly as she has been treated. As for the interview, Alexandra showed she has some maturing to do, too. By the way Janie, was that you or Dawn Marie who amazingly predicted Jelena over Elena 6-3 6-3 in the Kremlin Cup final. I want to talk to that great predictor about tomorrows NFL games!

ShadowJack
Oct 13th, 2001, 02:27 PM
Venus wasn't very popular in the locker room in 1997 or 1998, and people applauded her losses. Venus STILL isn't popular in the locker room. But players don't applaud her losses anymore. A) She doesn't lose much. B) Those players know that sooner or later,THEY'LL have to play Venus, and Venus has made it clear she remembers EVERY loss, and why she lost.

I hope Alex comes back and kicks EVERYBODY'S ass. But that's on Alex. She has the physical ability to be WAY better than she is.

auntie janie
Oct 13th, 2001, 02:42 PM
cat:

sorry, that wasn't me! I am a HORRIBLE predictor!
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saki
Oct 13th, 2001, 02:48 PM
The espn interview for anyone interested


---
Up Close with A. Stevenson

Alexandra Stevenson made history when she became the first female qualifier to
advance to the Wimbledon semifinals. In addition to overpowering serves and
mammoth ground strokes, her game is enhanced by the extreme confidence and
vengeance she brings to the court.

The same traits her father, Dr. J., brought to the basketball court.

Julius Erving, the Basketball Hall of Famer, has admitted that he is the father of the
18-year-old tennis phenom. In a recent appearance on ESPN's Up Close,
Stevenson told host Gary Miller that she does not forsee Erving becoming a
significant part of her life. She did, however, show appreciation for Dr. J's
accomplishments as an athlete.

"He's a great athlete and I'm fortunate to have some of his genes," Stevenson said.
"My mom's family has great athletes too, so it's a great mix, and I think he's a great
athlete."

The following is an edited transcript of Stevenson's interview:

Miller: It seems to us, to the world, that you just happened all of a sudden
(reaching the semifinals at Wimbledon), does it feel that way?

Stevenson: Well actually, not to me because I always knew it was going to
happen. I guess it did happen all of a sudden because I did so well.

Miller: You knew it was going to happen, this soon?

Stevenson: Sure, I've been waiting for it. When I boarded the plane to England, I
knew something big was going to happen because my mom gave me the ultimatum,
"either do really well this summer or go to college" and although I want to go to
college later, I didn't want to go right away. I knew I had to make something big
happen or else I was going to have to go off to UCLA in a couple of months.

Miller: Why was it going to be different, I mean, it is Wimbledon. Normally,
people make their successes at a little bit of a lesser tournament?

Stevenson: I've always loved Wimbledon and it's always been my goal to win
Wimbledon and Wimbledon has always seemed like my backyard, like I belong
there. So when I got there I was like "I belong here, I'm ready" and it happened. I
didn't win it, so I can't say I achieved my great goal. I still have a way to go on that
one.

Miller: Do you realize the magnitude of your accomplishment, being the
first female to come to the qualifying ranks and then make it to the final
four?

Stevenson: I think it's great. I'm very excited to be compared to John McEnroe. I
love him, he's a great competitor and he's really funny and very smart and I love
watching him commentate and I hope to meet him. Actually, it would be really cool
to play mixed doubles with him at the U.S Open. I think that would sell a lot of
tickets.

Miller: Was there a point where you thought you were going to win
Wimbledon?

Stevenson: Sure, I did. In qualifying I always knew I could go all the way through
and then I kept going and going and I'm like "I can win this thing." In the semifinals,
it hit me that I was a little tired and I had used up all my energy and Lindsay
Davenport played like a champion, obviously, she played really well. There I am
now, it wasn't my best match and so it didn't happen, but hopefully it will happen
next year.

Miller: Could you clear up the spat between you and (Lindsay) Davenport?
Did she not treat you very well coming along?

Stevenson: I really haven't had a conversation with her so I can't say that. I know
she says things in the newspapers, but she has to be careful with the things she says,
I don't think she means to say them, maybe she does, but I read some of them. But
I tape all the quotes up that the girls on the Tour say on my refrigerator. I look at
them and say "OK, next time I going to beat you when I play you," so it gets me
ready. My mom and I have a competition to see who can get the best quotes out
the paper and the Internet.

Miller: How were you not affected by the things that came out during
Wimbledon?

Stevenson: Actually, in Wimbeldon I didn't read anything, I just focused on my
tennis. When I'm at home I'll read the paper and I'll read when I'm not in a
tournament, but when I'm in a tournament I usually don't read papers. Until I lose
and I want to see what the girls say, or when I win and I want to see what they say.
But during a tournament I just stay really focused and I'm kind of in my own little
world and no one can touch me, no one bothers me, I don't read any outside news
or anything.

Miller: Did the taunting from lesbians and on the racial issues that
happened in the past and in England, was it unfortunate that timing came
out in Wimbledon and was it overblown?

Stevenson: Due to these spectacular tabloids that love to blow things out of
proportion, I'm going to have to say that they definitely blew this out of proportion
and they took words my mom and everybody else said and they changed the words
into lesbianism and racism, like "lifestyle" meant lesbianism, which it doesn't.
Lifestyle has a lot of different definitions and so I think they just blew a lot of things
out of proportion, but they're going to do that, so you learn next time "just don't
talk."

Miller: What in your eyes crosses the line of being competitive and getting
under your opponents' skin? What are some examples of things that have
happened to you that you feel are uncalled for?

Stevenson: I just think that the girls on the Tour ... it's hard because it is a
competitive area and you want to be competitive, but you don't want to be rude
and outside the court you should be able to take it off the court. Some girls have
trouble doing that, but then some girls don't, it just depends on both sides. I think
it's easier on the men's side. Men tend to just take it off the court and whatever, or
they go have a fight and it's over. Girls are totally different than guys, obviously, but
men are from Mars and women are from Venus. Girls have trouble, like in school
you get in a fight and you hold a grudge for a week or a year and it's just tougher
when your in a close environment on a Tour and playing each other week after
week.

Miller: You've been called the "N" word before and, similar to Tiger
Woods, you describe your nationality, it's too hard to get it all down, how do
you describe yourself?

Stevenson: I describe myself as multicultural and actually I'm eight things. But
another funny story: My history teacher last year, Mr. Torrance, came up with this
term, because is was about seven of us who are mixed and it was a pretty good
ratio. He called us "Halfrikans" so I thought that was kind of funny. But I perceive
myself as multicultural and actually when people ask me what I am, I tell them I'm a
human being just like you are, and I just think people take the racism out of
proportion. Because in the end you're just a person, you're the same, you eat,
breathe, and sleep.

Miller: After the story came out that Julius Erving was your father and you
did the Barbara Walters interview, it is hard for us to believe that you don't
have more curiosity about who he is.

Stevenson: No, because he's not a part of my life. I've grown up with my mom
and I've had everything I ever wanted. He's just my biological father, but the
definition of a father is someone that takes care of you and helps you out and I've
had my mom for both parenting jobs. I've never wondered or cared; its never
bugged me, I've never been curious about it.

Miller: So you don't care much about his records and what he did?

Stevenson: Actually, I think it's great what he did and he's a great athlete and I'm
fortunate to have some of his genes; my mom's family has great athletes too, so it's a
great mix and I think he's a great athlete.

Miller: For so long Erving denied the story but finally admitted it publicly,
how did you feel that first day?

Stevenson: Well, maybe he was confused. I don't know what he was thinking, but,
I mean, whatever he says. I just think that it was kind of dumb to first say "no" and
then say "yes," cause it doesn't make you look very smart, but oh well.

Miller: Do you think you'll meet him soon, since your both public figures?

Stevenson: No, I don't plan to. I'm just going to stay with my mom and focus on
my tennis and I have a great career ahead of me. I'm just getting started.

Miller: You're so bubbly, nothing really seems to get to you?

Stevenson: No, I mean everything everyone is blowing out of proportion and
writing headlines about, and racing to write the next story. I've known forever so its
old news, it's not new to me, it's not shocking. I think it's actually funny, it's kind of
hysterical when you think about it, people are making such a big deal about it. It's
just comical.

auntie janie
Oct 13th, 2001, 03:03 PM
sk:
That article was from the year Alex reached the Wimbledon semis (1999?). I was referring to an interview from late 2000 or early 2001.

Viva
Oct 13th, 2001, 03:06 PM
Don't believe everything you read.

You know I don't get it. I am very self assured and often self absorbed boardering on arrogant (or I'm already there) and yet many people like me. Basically I think I'm just so damn wonderful and yet I still have a lot of friends. Why isn't this accepted on the WTA? Esepcially since you should be proud of your acheivements.

I feel sorry for Anna. Like Lindsay said, "It's not her fault she was born so pretty."

[ October 13, 2001: Message edited by: Viva ]

Consistency
Oct 13th, 2001, 03:59 PM
The ESPN interview in question was printed right before Wimby 2000. As far as I know, Alexandra and/or Samantha never disputed the accuracy of that interview.

Dawn Marie
Oct 13th, 2001, 04:05 PM
I think I will take the credit for that Jelena prediction <IMG SRC="smilies/wink.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0"> Thank you very much. <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0">

Janie your being too onesided imho. Your saying that it is ALL Alex's fault and not because she is black? Hey I said SOME of the reason.. I mean I don't think it is 100% due to racism either but I know it isn't 100% all Alex's behavior .. PUHLEEZ on that one. Most young teens are arrogant and very proud.. they want to be the best in the world. Jelena who I adore was in the past arrogant but she is not being looked down upon by her peers? Alex is tall, proud and brought a name for herself.. some folks can't deal with that. Oh well... because Alex is gonna move up those ranks. <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0"> And she will do what Venus did.. kick butt and move on. <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0">

Note: Alex's mom is no worse then some other parents. ( she is high profile to the media) Who REALLY knows about these parents anyway? Imho she is probably sick of the nastiness that can appear on the WTA. Alot of it is very much like highschool.. with the cliques and all.

Go WTA <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0">

auntie janie
Oct 13th, 2001, 04:17 PM
It is impossible to know the inside story. But if Alexandra starts winning, more power to her. But I'd also love to see her acting and sounding more her age.

The magazine interview I referred to is NOT the one posted here; it is much more recent and reflects the downturn of Alex's fortunes on tour since her big moment in the sun. If you read it, you will see what I mean about "victim" attitude. But maybe she is now trurning that around too.

As to her mom, I think she is right up there in the bad-tennis-parent group with a few well-known others, but in a different way. She does not abuse Alex emotionally, verbally or physically, though she treats her like a baby, IMO. I mainly think she sets a bad example for Alexandra, implanting an "us against the world" and a "poor me" attitltude. (Can you imagine in your wildest dreams Serena or Venus with a "poor me" attitude??) But of course you are right, I'm sure there are many unknown players out there with worse parents!

rated_next
Oct 13th, 2001, 04:40 PM
Learning of how some players treat Alexandra Stevenson sickens me. It's always those Europeans, like the French and Italians, who are causing this crap. I of course, exclude the Russian girls from this.

The Cat in the Hat: It is always those European???? And why the French and Italian women and not the Russian women? Are you as dumb as this sounds? Players from all over the world dislike Stevenson, not just the European.

Stevenson beat Garbin in the first round of Wilmbedon. Throughout the entire match, Alex's mom was yelling out loud - when Garbin made an unforced error and so on. Hmmmmm, maybe Garbin got upset about losing. And....hmmmm Farina Elia is also Italian. It all makes sense that Garbin wanted Farina Elia to defeat Stevenson.

If the other women on the tour dislike a certain player, there is a reason for it. There is a reason why Farina Elia is respected and why Stevenson is hated.

saki
Oct 13th, 2001, 04:51 PM
Sorry I posted the wrong interview, Janie, I can't find the one you're referring to - can you post it?

As for Alex, I agree with Dawn (for once!) that it is probable that some of the anti-Alex feeling is because she's not white (isn't she mixed race?), but that not all of it is.

It's not that she's proud and made a name for herself. It's that she's arrogant and failed to do well after her spectacular 1999 Wimby. There is a difference between saying "I want to be the best" and "I will be the best because I'm wonderful and because my mummy told me so." Slight exaggeration, but you see my point.

I do think that Samantha is giving Alex the wrong attitude - the kind of everyone's out to get us mentality. Richard Williams does a much better job with Venus and Serena because he doesn't teach them that the world is against them, he seems to (obviously I don't know) teach them just to be themselves and excel and that nothing else matters. Venus and Serena don't give a damn when someone insults them, they just go on playing tennis rather than whine to the media. Alex needs the same kind of self-confidence. At the moment she comes across as needy rather than confident and that's got to be bad for her tennis.

Dawn Marie
Oct 13th, 2001, 04:52 PM
reasons ,reasons, reasons.. are not all BLACK AND WHITE.. they are alot of shades of grey in between.

ALex is hated .. because some people are weak and harbor that emotion in their souls. Don't blame Alex for weak emotions and please when you talk of arrogance remeber it is not just Venus, Alex, or Serena..that have acted like teenagers in the past. I mean lay off of her for god's sake, many of you forgot all about Hingis' snide remarks.. and Jelena's and many others.. why are you so willing to hang on to dear ALex's silly words? Imho people use words as an excuse to harbor their emotions.

By the way Alex whipped Els 6/0 6/0 in qualifying <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0">

Dawn Marie
Oct 13th, 2001, 05:00 PM
One can always tell when ALex is doing something well.. .. people begin to talk bad about her <IMG SRC="smilies/wink.gif" border="0">

I mean I haven't heard anything from Alex or her mom inawhile. All I seen of ALex was her great results in qualifying and how she beat a higher seed in the Kremlin Cup. ALso took a set off of Elena Dementieva the finalist. That is great stuff coming from a player ranked #76 or so. <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0">

I dont wanna start talking about clingy mommies. and all.. we all know ALOT of mommies behind the scenes are not all happy go lucky. In fact I remeber one tournament.. I think it was the Family Circle Cup in 1999 when Anna K's mom abruptly left her seat in disgust right after Anna lost. I felt so sad for Anna.. I mean she just left her seat in a nasty way. What she needed was a hug.

saki
Oct 13th, 2001, 05:05 PM
Hey, I'm not talking bad about her! I just think that despite all the bravado "I will win Wimbledon" stuff she's actually very much lacking in confidence and motivation. And I think that that can be attributed to her mother. Hopefully, she'll get it together and start winning consistently. Last year, it kinda looked like she didn't want to play if it wasn't a big match/tournament. This year, she's done better but not nearly as well as someone with her talent should have done.

auntie janie
Oct 13th, 2001, 05:15 PM
Dawn Marie,
I agree with you that Alla Kournikova is one of the bad Moms! She also left the stands in disgust while Anna was losing to Venus at Wimbledon I think in 1999 or 2000.

Also, I'd like to make clear that I for one do not at all "hate" Alex or any other player; to me they are all just kids playing a sport and trying to grow up in bizarre circumstances!

Also, one last thing, you are one of my favorite posters here, Dawn Marie! <IMG SRC="smilies/hearts.gif" border="0">

ys
Oct 13th, 2001, 05:25 PM
janie,

what has Alla got to do with this? We know a lot about Richard Williams, Melanie, Damir or other parents. We know nothing about Alla. Has anyone ever heard her saying anything?
Any interviews? Left in disgust, huh? Didn't Richard Williams leave the stands during 2000 US semis? I guess sometimes it is just too much for these people to handle..

Dawn Marie
Oct 13th, 2001, 05:33 PM
Janie you took me by surprise <IMG SRC="smilies/hearts.gif" border="0"> that was nice.. your a nice gal too. I am only debating I dont take opinions personally.. at least I TRY not too <IMG SRC="smilies/wink.gif" border="0">

Sorry sk.. I thought you were beating up on ALex. I thought I had to do a "crouching tiger" move on yah <IMG SRC="smilies/tongue.gif" border="0"> . It seems that she needs some fans around here. She gets a bad rap imho I mean she is still young.. I do think she maturing alot this year.

Go wta

Dawn Marie
Oct 13th, 2001, 05:38 PM
ys Richard's move was well calculated imho. Venus was STILL playing, and Richard knew Venus was gonna to go for it. Venus is tough. Hey she won didn't she? I am refering about when Anna was walking back to her chair after a loss Alla got up in a nasty way in disgust .. and you could see Anna look up at her mom. I think she was playing against Ruxandra Dragomir in that match. I tape all matches I like tennis. And I didn't like what Alla did. But we didn't hear that in the media now did we?

Lindsayfan
Oct 13th, 2001, 05:51 PM
- Alexandra and her mom said a lot of bullshit about wta tour,lesbian players, etc etc
Alexandra offended Lindsay and french players.no one insulted Lindsay before her and no one will do it cos Lindsay is a lovely person and everyone knows that.
-she feels herself like she is #1,she is rude and arrogant...who is Alex Stevenson?what she won? she is angry with the whole world cos she isnt a great player who she expected to be but she is just a disappointment for everyone.

rated_next
Oct 13th, 2001, 05:57 PM
Lindsayfan: nicely said

Dawn Marie
Oct 13th, 2001, 06:04 PM
Aren't your refering to Hingis here? Why so angry at Alex? Lindsay is not an angel. Everyone in their teens has been cocky and arrogant. It's human nature.

It has been well documented that Lindsay has a mouth on her as well.

the cat
Oct 13th, 2001, 07:51 PM
Rated, I've never heard of the Russian players treating Stevenson badly. From what I've read, it's always been the French and Italians who gang up on Alexandra. If you can't deal with it, that's your problem. And Alexandra being black doesn't have anything to do with it, right?

P.S. - Full credit goes to Dawn Marie for predicting Dokic over Dementieva 6-3 6-3 in the Kremlin Cup final. I thought Dokic would win. But I thought it would be in three sets. Dawn, why did you come up with three and three?

rated_next
Oct 13th, 2001, 08:36 PM
the cat in the hat: just because sidot and cocheteux had an argument with alexandra doesn't mean that ALL the french players gang up on her.... and the italians??? just because farina elia was thrilled about beating alexandra on her worst surface and OTHER players congratulated her after winning doesn't mean that ALL the italian players gang up on her.

i'm still confused about your post

Lindsayfan
Oct 13th, 2001, 10:15 PM
Rated next: i'm totally agree with you! <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

Becool
Oct 14th, 2001, 12:53 AM
Farina elia said that no one like Stevenson, and that the players aplaudded her when she won Alexandra..... Well doesn't look like a friendly celabration..
this coud happend with any player, Hingis , Davenport, they would be hurted, and that's what how Alexandra could have be feeling in that moment.. Some players don't have the sense of the feelings of the players, they do something, and don't care of what she will feel.. <IMG SRC="smilies/rolleyes.gif" border="0">

Viva
Oct 14th, 2001, 08:48 AM
Of course Lindsay has a mouth on her, der! All girls are bitchy and I don't see why the WTA is any different. Though i do think they should act more like the grown ups they are instead of little school girls and I do think the older players should show a better example. The younger players hear them saying stuf and it is like a green light to be nasty and carry on.

Samantha mainly brought this on herself for being so damn rude! There is no excuse for her behaviour. Alex didn't contribute well to the nice factor either. When people go around insulting the players of course they're not going to like you. It's common logic! If someone insults you, your not exactly going to treat them with respect.

rated_next
Oct 14th, 2001, 02:55 PM
Viva: perfectly said...

I saw the Stevenson-Garbin match and Samantha was rude to Tathiana, clapping everytime she made a mistake etc. I am not surprised that Farina wanted to win this match so badly.

the cat
Oct 14th, 2001, 06:22 PM
Rated, sorry if I've confused you. I just don't understand why it seems like some people are against Alexandra Stevenson. They should just leave her alone. The men players get along much better with each other than the women players do. There is much more vindictivness in women's tennis. The media has picked up on that and run with. Why else would a very good and well respected player like Nathalie Tauziat use Anna Kournikova to sell her book? Controversy. That's why. And that's too bad, IMO.

Dawn Marie
Oct 14th, 2001, 10:48 PM
I agree with "the cat in the hat" on this one. Chill out on ALex because it old. It has been done before. Remeber Venus and Serena? The bottom line is this:

If your black and keep your mouth shut your well-liked. ( Chanda for example) But if your black and are outspoken. like many other gals on the tour then it's ........" OH NO.. THEY ARE HATED AND SO ARROGANT".. puhleez it's old already <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0">

Alex is gonna kick some higher ranked players butts.. and I am gonna be happy for her when it happens. Just hope Venus isn't one of them <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0">

saki
Oct 14th, 2001, 10:59 PM
Dawn - don't agree with what you said about Chanda. She's one of the most outspoken, socially active, socially resposible players on tour. She's by no means the middle-class black girl who keeps her mouth shut and therefore gets liked that you portray her as being.

The thing is that where Venus & Serena were concerned it was a combination of prejudice and the media that got them branded 'arrogant'. I can remember thinking they must be arrogant based on some quotes in articles, but then reading full interviews and realising that they actually it's just that they have bubbly, chatty personalities and that occasionally they're taken out of context.

With Alex, it's slightly different because she doesn't have the ability to back up the statements she keeps making. She's not saying stuff like "I want to win Wimbledon one day, but I need to work on some stuff before I'll be ready" what she said was "I think I'll win this year". Which was clearly ridiculously conceited and got her laughed at.

Venus and Serena, and Chanda for that matter are confident individuals. Some people can't cope with confident black girls or confident girls (there's a lots of anti-confident-women stuff going on here too) and call them arrogant. But with Alex there's more arrogance there. As I said earlier in this thread, I think a lot of it is insecure bravado but she's not going to make friends this way.

Dawn Marie
Oct 14th, 2001, 11:11 PM
sk when I say outspoken I mean refering to the other cliques and to the players in the WTA in general. Chanda is easy going IMHO regarding this. I am very aware that Chanda is very much outspoken on alot of social issues away from the tour and on the tour. As well as Venus is and when Venus talks alot of peope listen because she is a TOP player and high profile. Chanda IMHO could say the tour was racist 5 years ago and nobody would not have even knew about that.

Why is it that when someone talks about the fact that SOME players are hated due to their skin tone that Chanda is suddenly brought up??? When Hingis and Dokic and many other WHITE gals showed their asses you didn't see that same crap? "well the OTHER white gals are not hated and they are white"? nope you don't see that do you? Maybe they don't feel threatended by Chanda? The gals are bolder more colorful and more outspoken , and a hell of alot more arrogant. Chanda is from the old school.. welcome to the year 2001 and counting. So get used to the ALex's the Venus's and the .. well your fine with the Hingis's, Dokic's, the Sidots, the Kornikova's.. Hewitt's..but get used to seeing more outspoken high profile players.

Sam L
Oct 26th, 2005, 10:52 AM
I wonder what Alex thinks of Sylvia's retirement. :lol:

dinhd82
Oct 26th, 2005, 11:20 AM
funny how both dokic and Stevensen are no where to be found these days.

auntie janie
Oct 26th, 2005, 01:08 PM
funny how both dokic and Stevensen are no where to be found these days.

Also Lucic & Kournikova. There must be some kind of Evil Curse on players who reach a Wimbledon semifinal in the early days of their careers. :eek:

Mother_Marjorie
Oct 26th, 2005, 01:22 PM
#3 well she's proud and sometimes people can't handle that.

#4 Alex is gonna win slams one day <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0"> Wimby will be hers .. wait and see

Alex makes into ONE Wimby semi's and she thinks she's Venus "F"ing Williams. Since that fateful day in 1999, it has been a rare occasion that she gets past the 1st round of grand slam events, much less smaller tournaments. Six years now......

Recently, Alex has made her intentions well-known about her ambition to become an actress. Quite honestly, she's too fat for tennis, much less storming the entertainment industry.

The problem I have with people like Alex Stevenson is the persistent attitude she portrays that just because she's the offspring of a legendary athlete, she is destined for similar greatness, and everyone should bow down to her celebrity. I think the WTA players have sent her notice that she can't just rest on her fathers laurels if she ever intends on being competitive in the world of sports. The ambition has always been there, but the dedication to improve hasn't.

She's turned her 15 minutes into an hour and a half. Its time she moved on so that truly serious people that have a desire to play and win tennis matches can rightfully have that spotlight.