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tennisIlove09
May 9th, 2003, 08:42 AM
Seriously, does Clijsters have a chance at #1 this year?

Check this out:

Serena's defending/adding until after US Open:
-Winner Rome
-Winner Roland Garros [will lose points regardless]
-Winner Wimbledon [may not lose, but it will be tough, as she beat #1 last year]
-ADDING Stanford, as far as we know
-QF LA [will add]
-DNP Canada [will add]
-Winner US Open

Clijsters
-SF in Rome [can add]
-3rd in Paris [will add--probably a lot]
-QF in Grass warm up [may not play? not sure...will add if she does]
-2nd in Wimbledon [will add]
-Finals in Stanford [may not add]
-QF in San Diego [probably will add]
-2nd in LA [will add]
-3rd in Canada [will add]
-4th in US Open [will add]

While Kim's played so much more, she has MUCH more room to improve. We all know that the chances of Serena adding any more events are slim to none...

I am beginning to think that Kim has a good chance at #1 by US Open, assuming she does well at the majors...and I see no reason why she wouldn't.

Vincent
May 9th, 2003, 09:56 AM
I would love to see her to be the new no.1, but she got to train more, and perform better against the Williams, be more mentally strong.

XMan
May 9th, 2003, 10:27 AM
You are right tennisIlove, Kim has a chance but it will probably depend on RG and Wimbledon. If Serena can defend these titles then she'll probably be safe.

tennnisfannn
May 9th, 2003, 10:38 AM
I also believe it is possible. If she wins one slam then it will most likely be a definite coz she plays a full schedule. Without crunching the numbers she could possibly make it if she does well in all the other tournys even if she doesn't win a slam. Unless of course Serena won two more slams then it may be a big ask. Lindsay ended the year 2001 at no.1 without even making to a slam final!

arodguy100
May 9th, 2003, 11:46 AM
kim no.1 :confused: won't ever happen.. no worries :D

King Lindsay
May 9th, 2003, 11:48 AM
maybe it'll happen ... but even with her scant schedule, Serena has still amassed more points on the year than Kim. Kim would have to do it the old-fashioned way.... by being the better player.

CJ07
May 9th, 2003, 12:01 PM
Clijsters would to win like 15 or 14 out of her best 17 and be making it to the SF of all the slams or better

I think right now if anyone will over take Serena it will be Venus

and that wouldn't be untill after the Us Open

fleemke
May 9th, 2003, 12:01 PM
I don't know if it's possible. ... Her game on clay isn't there yet and on grass she doesn't have that great results .. so I don't know ... and I don't think Serena will let this happen ;)

Ajrob
May 9th, 2003, 12:07 PM
She'll get it. She plays much more than Serena.. and Kim's form is better than last year.

anton
May 9th, 2003, 12:16 PM
kim has done zero to derserve #1.

After she beats Venus and Serena at a Grand Slam, then we can talk.

CJ07
May 9th, 2003, 12:20 PM
whether she derserves it is moot

the rankings may give it to her

Giuliano
May 9th, 2003, 12:21 PM
kim has done zero to derserve #1.

After she beats Venus and Serena at a Grand Slam, then we cant talk.
Exactly, we can'T talk, never.

SerialKiller#69
May 9th, 2003, 12:22 PM
i'm sure serena wouldn't want that. and we know that if serena sets a goal, most likely she can do it. she's far too confident and consistent.

anton
May 9th, 2003, 12:29 PM
Exactly, we can'T talk, never.

I meant can.

What are you talking about?

Giuliano
May 9th, 2003, 12:38 PM
I know you meant can. It was just a reaction to what I read sometimes:
"Hingis was n1 because the opposition was weak"
"Serena is n1 because she doesn't play a lot of tournaments. If she played a full year, she wouldn't be. Plus she's only strong physically."
Now "Kim won't be a real n1 unless she beats the Williams in a Grand Slam". What's next? Should she beat them playing left handed?

None of these girls bought their points at the supermarket (at that line of Thomas :D). If Clijsters becomes number one, she'll have earned it as rightfully as the others.

~|Naomi|~
May 9th, 2003, 12:53 PM
Kim will have to win a slam for that to happen. I'd be satisfied if she is established at number 2 going into the US Open.

And just for the record Kim is playing Rosmalen as her warm up to Wimbly.

And why does everyone say Kim is no good on grass, she did fine in 2001 and in 2002 couldn't train and couldn't even lift her arm up sufficiently to practice the day after her match, so I think her results last year are irrelevant. Don't forget in 1999 it was at Wimbly she made her GS debut and made the 4th round.

~|Naomi|~
May 9th, 2003, 12:54 PM
None of these girls bought their points at the supermarket (at that line of Thomas :d). If Clijsters become number one, she'll have earned it as rightfully as the others.

I agree with you 100% :)

anton
May 9th, 2003, 12:57 PM
If you can't beat the best at the best tournaments, then you are NOT #1.

Thoumas Muster WON the French Open. Which Grand Slam has Kim won?

DA FOREHAND
May 9th, 2003, 01:01 PM
"Serena is n1 because she doesn't play a lot of tournaments. If she played a full year, she wouldn't be. Plus she's only strong physically."

LOL...The fact that Serena has what 3 or 4 zeros factored into her points, and is still a couple thousand points ahead of the pack does not bode well for anyone catching her this year. Factor in 3 zeros into Kim's points, would she even be in the top ten?

Kim number one? Sorry not gonna happen this year.

spencercarlos
May 9th, 2003, 01:09 PM
Seriously, does Clijsters have a chance at #1 this year?

Check this out:

Serena's defending/adding until after US Open:
-Winner Rome
-Winner Roland Garros [will lose points regardless]
-Winner Wimbledon [may not lose, but it will be tough, as she beat #1 last year]
-ADDING Stanford, as far as we know
-QF LA [will add]
-DNP Canada [will add]
-Winner US Open

Clijsters
-SF in Rome [can add]
-3rd in Paris [will add--probably a lot]
-QF in Grass warm up [may not play? not sure...will add if she does]
-2nd in Wimbledon [will add]
-Finals in Stanford [may not add]
-QF in San Diego [probably will add]
-2nd in LA [will add]
-3rd in Canada [will add]
-4th in US Open [will add]

While Kim's played so much more, she has MUCH more room to improve. We all know that the chances of Serena adding any more events are slim to none...

I am beginning to think that Kim has a good chance at #1 by US Open, assuming she does well at the majors...and I see no reason why she wouldn't.
She can get to number one, but will she win a slam?
The ranking means nothing when we talk about slams, she can become the next Martina Hingis (2000-2001)

Giuliano
May 9th, 2003, 01:12 PM
Is it like a new rule I wouldn't be aware of? :confused:
What I said is that if Kim becomes n1, then it will show that she had a very very good year with lots of good results. Results so good that they brought her enough points to be n1.
A Grand Slam title gives more relief to the number one ranking, but even if she doesn't get one, she'll still have played better than the others points-wise for a year.
That said, there are still two girls named Venus and Serena in front of her, and they are like able to get good results too you know? ;)

And Rios became number one without winning a Grand Slam. I'm sure he didn't found the points he needed under his bed or something

Filip!
May 9th, 2003, 01:19 PM
What a stupid discussion!

Nobody knows what will happen in the future. Kim is still improving, we'll have to wait and see what will happen with the rankings...

I have one remark: a player who is #1 DESERVES this ranking! Being #1 means that you are winning a lot of important matches!

moby
May 9th, 2003, 01:20 PM
kim has done zero to derserve #1.

After she beats Venus and Serena at a Grand Slam, then we can talk.


after she beats venus and serena at a grand slam, then we can talk?
martina beat venus and serena at the SAME slam in 2001

but wait
serena choked in that QF didnt she? no wait, she was sick, i think
and venus was rusty. it might have been that weird dress though...
so naturally, those wins didnt count and she didnt deserve to be number one then. :rolleyes:

so i dont see what difference it is going to make whether kim beats venus and serena at a GS or not.

spencercarlos
May 9th, 2003, 01:21 PM
Is it like a new rule I wouldn't be aware of? :confused:
What I said is that if Kim becomes n1, then it will show that she had a very very good year with lots of good results. Results so good that they brought her enough points to be n1.
A Grand Slam title gives more relief to the number one ranking, but even if she doesn't get one, she'll still have played better than the others points-wise for a year.
That said, there are still two girls named Venus and Serena in front of her, and they are like able to get good results too you know? ;)

And Rios became number one without winning a Grand Slam. I'm sure he didn't found the points he needed under his bed or something
Tell me what the heck with been the best point-wise for a year player? Tell me how much Davenport`s end of 2001 year as number one mean? Do you think she was the best player?... If Kim gets there slamless it will be the same meaningless thing. Tell me how much it meaned Hingis`s (1) after her name at slam events after Australian Open 1999?.... :s Honestly this ranking system sucks, it has always since it was used first in 1997. Have this ranking been used in the early 90`s and Sabatini would have been number one for sure in 1991.
This ranking reflects quantity over quality, too poor anyway. The slam events reflects who the real number one player in the world is, just as plain as that.
Until Kim does not win a slam, she can not be considered number one.

DA FOREHAND
May 9th, 2003, 01:24 PM
It won't make any diff. and this is a moot discussion, because she won't pass an injury free Serena in the rankings this year.


Venus won two slams in 00, Martina won 0 but was number one? Who do you think had the better season?

Cybelle Darkholme
May 9th, 2003, 01:29 PM
Can she? Sure everyone can and I dont even care if she does as long as my two favs sweep the slams... :kiss:

Astro Jetson
May 9th, 2003, 01:30 PM
#1 this year? No way. Serena is still much better. #2? Yes. Venus crushed her in Antwerp a few months ago, but in the rankings Kim will pass her this week and will stay there for a while imo. Do I like it? No.

Leena
May 9th, 2003, 02:25 PM
Idiots, we all know Serena is the superior player... we're talking about the useless ranking system.

I don't think Kim will catch Serena... she's more than 2500 points behind. She's only got Rome, RG and Wimbledon to defend until US Open... and unless she loses early in all of them... there's no way Kim can get enough points to catch her.

anton
May 9th, 2003, 02:28 PM
after she beats venus and serena at a grand slam, then we can talk?
martina beat venus and serena at the SAME slam in 2001

but wait
serena choked in that QF didnt she? no wait, she was sick, i think
and venus was rusty. it might have been that weird dress though...
so naturally, those wins didnt count and she didnt deserve to be number one then. :rolleyes:

so i dont see what difference it is going to make whether kim beats venus and serena at a GS or not.

We are talking about 2003, not 2001 :confused:

Experimentee
May 9th, 2003, 02:30 PM
I dont think she will but if she does it wouldnt really mean that much coz we all know Serena is the best player on the tour.

ys
May 9th, 2003, 02:44 PM
At this point all she has to do is to do better than Serena at RG and W. And she is #1.

joaco
May 9th, 2003, 02:49 PM
I also believe it is possible. If she wins one slam then it will most likely be a definite coz she plays a full schedule. Without crunching the numbers she could possibly make it if she does well in all the other tournys even if she doesn't win a slam. Unless of course Serena won two more slams then it may be a big ask. Lindsay ended the year 2001 at no.1 without even making to a slam final!

I'm sorry Lindsay won 7 tournaments in 2001.... she made a couple more of finals and all though she did not reach a final of a Slam she had a pretty solid year we could say.... don't you think??

Joaco

DA FOREHAND
May 9th, 2003, 03:12 PM
"At this point all she has to do is to do better than Serena at RG and W. And she is #1."

LOL....yeah she's done that before....NOT! It's gonna take a lot more than wishful thinking from Kim's fans. And of course alot of help from Serena.

arn
May 9th, 2003, 03:30 PM
Kim earned a lot of points during fall, a lot more as Serena (also because Serena didn't play that much). So Serena will have to make the difference before the fall starts to be sure Kim will not be #1 right before fall starts.

It will be interesting to see what happens in the coming period :)

Vut
May 9th, 2003, 04:24 PM
Good Luck KIM !! :)

Doublebackhand
May 9th, 2003, 04:50 PM
i agree that this is such a useless discussion, kim will only overhaul the williams ONLY if the williams are injured or semi retired.

Diya
May 9th, 2003, 04:57 PM
wow @ Kim being # 1 :)

If she does she'll surely deserve it !

Go Kim ! Get to # 2 soon ( just don't beat JCap ;) )

SerenaSlam
May 9th, 2003, 05:07 PM
Kim not only will have to win slam, she will have to advance to the semis of the following slam, and do better than serena basically in both slams inorder to pass serena. I think its a given, that if Serena even gets and looses to the quarters or semis of all 3 slams left, she has so many points ahead, she should be safe.

Kim in fact, now thinking about it would most defintely have to win 2 slams inorder to pass serena, cuz i don't see Re Re loosing in the first round, (again this is Kim's really only chance, serena loosing early)

This is my opinion, if Kim did get to number 1, i think personally she would have to do it beating williamses, and consitently beating them, if she gets there having played them like 4-5 times and not won, but got there b/c venus serena lost early to other opponents, that doesn't say kim is number 1, it says she is number 1 points system player..

SJW
May 9th, 2003, 05:12 PM
LOL the rankings systems would be fucked up if she did without winnin the remaining slams

this is a case of quantity of quality...and since the rankings are based on that a whole lot, then she dayum sure could get to number one :)

u know...Serena doesnt care about the rankings atm, Venus doesnt care about the rankings, and Kim def doesnt care about them either...its players from 4 --> who do....and thats the spots they are fighting for...so you know

i couldnt care less :)

SerenaSlam
May 9th, 2003, 05:13 PM
Kim not only will have to win slam, she will have to advance to the semis of the following slam, and do better than serena basically in both slams inorder to pass serena. I think its a given, that if Serena even gets and looses to the quarters or semis of all 3 slams left, she has so many points ahead, she should be safe.

Kim in fact, now thinking about it would most defintely have to win 2 slams inorder to pass serena, cuz i don't see Re Re loosing in the first round, (again this is Kim's really only chance, serena loosing early)

This is my opinion, if Kim did get to number 1, i think personally she would have to do it beating williamses, and consitently beating them, if she gets there having played them like 4-5 times and not won, but got there b/c venus serena lost early to other opponents, that doesn't say kim is number 1, it says she is number 1 points system player..

Diya
May 9th, 2003, 05:30 PM
Its funny how the rankings suddenly don't seem to be right (rather "reflect the truth") when either of the sisters are not # 1 and # 2 ! :rolleyes:

DA FOREHAND
May 9th, 2003, 05:49 PM
Well how can they be wrong in the case of the Williams sisters? How were the last four finalist in the the Grand Slams? Whose house has the last four, slam trophies? How many other players made it to the top of the rankings with just 12/13 tournies in their points?

lizchris
May 9th, 2003, 06:10 PM
I am sick and tired of posting this, but I will until this gets through to Kim's fans and Williams sisters critics. NEITHER THE CURRENT NOR THE FORMER 10 LADIES WHO REACHED THE NUMBER ONE SPOT DID SO WITHOUTH WINNING A SLAM FIRST. That is the hard cold fact. Kim will have to win a Slam before she even think about getting to number one. At the present time, she will have to get past the current number two before she gets to number one and she won't do it this weekend unless she beats Jennifer and meets Justine in the final and her chances of beating Jennifer are slim, IMO, because she has a mental block when she plays Jennifer (I mean, how can you practice with someone and not be able to beat them once?). If she doesn't get to number two next week, she will have to defemd her semifinal points last year's IO to do so and if Jennifer or Justine are in her half, the chances of that happening are slim also.

Face it, she will be number two at least until the current number one goes on a significant losing streak.

Mercury Rising
May 9th, 2003, 06:11 PM
I don't care about this number one, a slam on the other hand would be great...

DA FOREHAND
May 9th, 2003, 06:28 PM
Kim number 1 this year? That's a "serious" pipe dream, the likes of which even Jenn. couldn't smoke up .

SJW
May 9th, 2003, 06:31 PM
Diya u truly are stupid

they wouldnt reflect the truth cos the sisters have had the best record in the past 4 slams (i recall u saying when Jen Jen had 1 slam last year that slams are all that matters u hypocrite :rolleyes:)

its like Kim being ranked #4...it clearly doesnt reflect the truth cos she has been the 3rd best player by far *dumbass*

harloo
May 9th, 2003, 06:33 PM
I think it is tennislove aka Dallas hope is that Serena falls flat on her face, and Kim becomes #1. I guess if Venus can't have it, it's too much for him to bare. LOL :)

Anyways, none of us knows what will happen during the French. IMO, the Williams and the Belgians are sure bets for the French. I say if Venus and Serena are not playing well then Kim, and Justine have a chance. I think Justine moreso than Kim though. Justine better hope she does not meet up with Venus because this is a player who gives her fits.

IMO, it does not matter who has the #1 as long as my faves win the slams. Kim can have it. :) If she reaches the #1 then good for her, I wish no ill will on anyone who has worked hard to get to the top of the sport.

However, I think Serena will not let it happen at this point. But tennis is fun because you never know what will happen in the future. So all we can do is speculate. Everyone thought Hingis would dominate forever, but that didn't happen. While I know Serena will win more slams, I don't think she will continue to dominate totally because that's the nature of sports. She will lose some, but she will win alot also.

Good luck Rena, Venus!!! :D ;)

Diya
May 9th, 2003, 06:41 PM
So who should be the # 2 player in the world ? The one who has lost to Meghan and Amelie ? or the one who can't play a full schedule without getting injured or the one who hasn't beaten the current # 1 player for almost 2 years .?

Consistency is rewarded by the current ranking system and everyone deserves the ranking he/she attains ....( and yeah that is stupid if u r stupid ;) ):D However to whine when anyone but ya fave is at the top ( or # 2 in this case) is definitely stupid

Cariaoke
May 9th, 2003, 06:43 PM
If Kim's to get it, not only will she have to win a slam but get the quality/bonus pts for beating the #1 or #2 (depending on if it's Venus or not) en route to winning the slam. Serena had to beat TWO #1's (Jen @ RG, Venus @ Wimby) to be #1 and win two grand slams. The other two were just bonus pts for her.

I wish my 3 fave players luck for the rest of the year! This should be fun!

SJW
May 9th, 2003, 06:43 PM
naww u just twisting it now

it wasnt right when Marti was number 1 while not winning a slam in over 2 years

and it wont be right if Kim is number one winning anything less than two of the next 3 slams

you can have ur lame ass theories...i dont care 4 em

SJW
May 9th, 2003, 06:46 PM
that was to Diya not u cari :D:kiss:

Cariaoke
May 9th, 2003, 06:48 PM
I know, luv. :kiss:

I have the idiot on ignore. I'm living viCARIously through your posts to 'it'. :angel:

Diya
May 9th, 2003, 06:50 PM
Is there a written rule whereby a player can't be ranked # 2 without winning a slam ? Besides does Kim need a certificate of approval from ANYONE as to whether she is worth the spot or not ?

If a player can be ranked # 2 without winning a slam since since 2001 then why can't someone who hasn't won any ? :rolleyes:

SJW
May 9th, 2003, 06:50 PM
LOL :D

imma put her on ignore now

i havent used this feature b4 :)

Cariaoke
May 9th, 2003, 06:53 PM
well, babe, it's fun. you just see their name and you don't have to worry about seeing their post.

:kiss:

Lien
May 9th, 2003, 07:11 PM
1. Kim to nr 1, as much as I like her, is not going to happen this year, Serena is too superior.
2. Being number 1 doesn't mean so much imho, people will remember you for your grand slams not for 'how many weeks was she number one'. And Kim realizes that also, she wants a slam not the number one spot.
3. If you beat the williamses and you win the slams than the number one spot follows automatically.
4. I don't see Serena losing early especially not in GS, remember AO even when it is tough she has the will to pull of the win.

Kim has improved alot this year, she is far more consistent (until now now more first round losses). But the level of Serena is IMHO higher.
At the moment ;)

laj
May 9th, 2003, 08:38 PM
This thread originated out of the wishful thinking of "Two Face", who is also one of the biggest detractors of Serena Williams in all of tennis fandom, in spite of how ever he masquerades. The obvious folly in the premise of this thread lies in the fact that "Two Face" is also mathematically and statistically challenged. In life any things is possible, but only that which is probable is noteworthy.

The probability for anyone else other than Serena Williams to be # 1 any time in this calendar year is very, very, slim for the following reason:

1. Serena is the most consistent player on the tour.

2. Serena leads the # 2 and # 3 positions by over 2300 points. With that lead she needs only to defend about 60% of her 2002 points to maintain her # 1 ranking.

2. Serena currently averages 543 points per tournament. Venus at # 2 averages 375 points per tournament, and Kim at # 3 averages 201 points per tournament. For Kim to close this gap of averages between her and Serena is like her climbing Mount Everest.

3. Serena currently has 4 tournaments to give towards her ranking (in the best of 17 system); coupled that with her average points per tournament number and you will see what a mountain it really is for anyone to overtake her anytime this year.

4. Serena's superior H2H record against the whole WTA tour makes the likelihood of her not able to defend 60% of her 2002 points practically nil.

If "Two Face" wishes to see someone else as #1, he might have to wish for a severe injury to Serena. For barring a severe and long lasting injury she will be the perpetual # 1 for the whole of the 2003 season.

hingis-seles
May 9th, 2003, 09:15 PM
:eek:

King Lindsay
May 9th, 2003, 09:41 PM
Factor in 3 zeros into Kim's points, would she even be in the top ten?

Depends where you add the zeros. Take off her 17th, 16th, 15th and 14th tournament? Yep, she'd still be #3.

ys
May 9th, 2003, 09:47 PM
2. Serena leads the # 2 and # 3 positions by over 2300 points. With that lead she needs only to defend about 60% of her 2002 points to maintain her # 1 ranking.


Just for there was no illusions about how much 2300 points really is..

If Kim wins Berlin and does better than Serena in Rome , #1 will technically be in play already at Roland Garros...

Kart
May 9th, 2003, 10:33 PM
I don't think Kim will get to no.1 this year. She could do better than Serena at several tournaments, but in order to do it she would almost certainly have to get past Venus regularly to do it.

Can't see it happening myself unless injury plays a part.

selesfan87
May 9th, 2003, 10:34 PM
I really think that Clijsters can make the #1 spot. At the moment the olny obstacles are Venus and Serena. Id Clijsters can somehow match them or beat them, then she has the #1 ranking in her pocket.

laj
May 10th, 2003, 12:57 AM
Just for there was no illusions about how much 2300 points really is..

If Kim wins Berlin and does better than Serena in Rome , #1 will technically be in play already at Roland Garros...

The little word "If" is one of the most powerful word in the English Language, simply because it is what also subject humans to all the possibilities of life. And, if wishes were horses beggars would ride them".

IF Kim wins Berlin the maximum amount of points she will accumulate is 389 points, which will put her grand total to 4613 for the new rankings on Monday. IF Kim wins Rome (without beating #1 and # 2), the maximum amount of points she can accumulate will be approx. 390 points. If so, her grand total of points going into the FO will be, assuming she wins Berlin, (4613 - 200 + 390) = 4803 points. Let us further assume that Serena loses in the first round at Rome. If so, the difference between Kim and Serena going into the FO will be:

Serena.......................6809 - 427 + 1 = 6383
Kim..............................................4 803
Difference.....................................158 0 points.

Since, Serena has to defend 1052 points at Roland Garros, with the above scenario there will be a (1580 - 1052) = 528 points difference in the Safe Points standings between Kim and Serena. Meaning, Kim will have to gain 529 points more than Serena does at Roland Garros before the # 1 spot can be hers under such IF's.

ksgyh
May 10th, 2003, 12:59 AM
I love Kim, but come on, agreed with the Williams fans in this case, until she proves she can beat them on a normal day, why would she even want to have the title of being #1? Go Kim! However, if I were #1 by playing more tourneys and not by being able to beat all the players in the world, um, it would simply be kind of embarrassing and a burden. (Think when Hingis was #1 for so long as the Williams/Clijsters/JenCap clan were coming up: Hingis couldn't win or defend her #1 for those months until the berth was finally relinquished.)

GO KIM!!!! You MUST play more aggressive against Serena! I would love for Serena or Venus to lose before getting to Kim's round at RG, but without having that Williams scalp, it will difficult to convince the world she truly deserves to be higher than she is now (assuming she can regain #2, which is a much more plausible position for Kim to be at, for the moment).

disposablehero
May 10th, 2003, 01:43 AM
Justine can beat Serena on Clay+Kim has beat Serena on Hardcourt=Kim can beat Serena on Clay. If she does it in Paris, France on a Saturday in June, you can bank on that #1 ranking.

Most likely she will have to win one of the next 3 Slams to do it though. And of course, anyone but Serena winning helps her.

disposablehero
May 10th, 2003, 01:44 AM
I don't think Kim will get to no.1 this year. She could do better than Serena at several tournaments, but in order to do it she would almost certainly have to get past Venus regularly to do it.

Can't see it happening myself unless injury plays a part.

Kim has beaten Venus too. And who is to say it won't be Serena getting past Venus, or vice versa?

Knizzle
May 10th, 2003, 01:56 AM
She can get to number one, but will she win a slam?
The ranking means nothing when we talk about slams, she can become the next Martina Hingis (2000-2001)

Kim won't become #1 unless she wins a slam, period. Martina could be #1 without winning a slam because she was winning tons of other titles and always making SF or better at others. kim is not winning the same amount of titles a martina did, she is not even close. Also during that period where Martina was #1 the slams were being split up between different players, with Serena owning all four slam titles now her points are just magnificent and she won't be caught until someone takes a couple of her GS titles from her.

tennisfun
May 10th, 2003, 02:01 AM
Kim Number 1? She can dream about it.

tennisfun
May 10th, 2003, 02:03 AM
Banking on Kim beating Serean in PARIS? LMAO

starr
May 10th, 2003, 02:20 AM
I think Justine matches up better against both Williams sisters on clay than does Kim. I think especially Serena likes that topspin, and I think Justine can mix slice and dice better with power than can Kim. Kim tends to go much more for the hard shot and the risky winner (that many time turn out to be errors). I don't think she is quite there yet against either Serena or Venus, but on a given day she can beat either of them.

1jackson2001
May 10th, 2003, 02:50 AM
Well ya asked for seriously....then I would have to answer NO.

disposablehero
May 10th, 2003, 03:46 AM
Banking on Kim beating Serean in PARIS? LMAO

Check your eyes, or your brain. I said IF Kim beats Serena in Paris, bank on the ranking.

Jericho
May 10th, 2003, 04:03 AM
Who's to say that kim will not lose in the first round of the french or wimbledon...same goes with serena and venus...it happened to justine, you never know...so dont get ahead of yourselves

Diya
May 10th, 2003, 02:43 PM
So is Kim set for the # 2 spot now ???

I guess once that is done we can begin thinking about her chances of reaching # 1 :)

SJW
May 10th, 2003, 05:30 PM
hey since Kim beat the person who causes the number one player in the world so many problems, maybe she IS the true number one :)