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Nicoleke
May 8th, 2003, 10:41 AM
Ladies

Amadine Dulon France,
Tatiana Golovin France :),
Anaïs Laurendon France,
Virginie Pichet France,
Camille Pin France,
Christine Wheeler Australia.

Men

Richard Gasquet France :),
Jérôme Goldmard France :),
Mickaël Llodra France :),
Rafael Nadal Spain :),
Michael Chang United states of America.

jrm
May 8th, 2003, 12:04 PM
jerome - nice to see

Kirt12255
May 8th, 2003, 12:52 PM
Ladies

Amadine Dulon France,
Tatiana Golovin France :),
Anaïs Laurendon France,
Virginie Pichet France,
Camille Pin France,
Christine Wheeler Australia.

Men

Richard Gasquet France :),
Jérôme Goldmard France :),
Mickaël Llodra France :),
Rafael Nadal Spain :),
Michael Chang United states of America.

:confused: Wondering why in this deal....reguarding Wild-Card deals between slams.....would Christine Wheeler be given the WC above Stosur....she is higher ranked and proven herself a better player this year. To reinstate my point I have made twice already about this WC swapping....It is pathetic and unjust to every other country that doesn't hold a Slam IMO. Personally if Wheeler or Stosur are good enough on Clay then let them earn their main draw like everyone else....and who's to say that Dominikovich's ranking will be good enough to get her in? (Though should be safe one thinks...depending on cut-off) Who decides this?? How about giving WC's to Juniors showing promise...no matter which country they come from? And yes to past champions obviously. :confused:

Darop.
May 8th, 2003, 01:05 PM
:confused: Wondering why in this deal....reguarding Wild-Card deals between slams.....would Christine Wheeler be given the WC above Stosur....she is higher ranked and proven herself a better player this year. To reinstate my point I have made twice already about this WC swapping....It is pathetic and unjust to every other country that doesn't hold a Slam IMO. Personally if Wheeler or Stosur are good enough on Clay then let them earn their main draw like everyone else....and who's to say that Dominikovich's ranking will be good enough to get her in? (Though should be safe one thinks...depending on cut-off) Who decides this?? How about giving WC's to Juniors showing promise...no matter which country they come from? And yes to past champions obviously. :confused:


Maybe becuz wheeler defeated kournikova at last years rg??

Mateo Mathieu
May 8th, 2003, 01:07 PM
No, Christina needs to defend all of these points. I think Dr, Janet Young picked bad player but I don't cares, anyway...

Kirt12255
May 8th, 2003, 01:13 PM
Maybe becuz wheeler defeated kournikova at last years rg??

Sorry didn't mean to offend a fan of Kournikova's....but it was part of a massive first round losing streak for Kournikova. I'm not knocking her...and yes she did...but I query what she has achieved since? best of luck to her I just find it wrong that's all....one of the 4 biggest tourney's of the year...I don't even think she has made a main draw since (except Aus Open ...Wild-Card too)

Kirt12255
May 8th, 2003, 01:15 PM
No, Christina needs to defend all of these points. I think Dr, Janet Young picked bad player but I don't cares, anyway...

:wavey: Hiya Alex....should I know her? LOL :wavey:

Mateo Mathieu
May 8th, 2003, 01:22 PM
If you cares, then go ahead... she born in Ukraine and moved in Australia when she was little girl ;)

Kirt12255
May 8th, 2003, 01:26 PM
If you cares, then go ahead... she born in Ukraine and moved in Australia when she was little girl ;)

Sorry I meant to ask what organisation does she work for...was the point I was trying to make ;) Just you called her a Dr and was hoping she isn't a part of sport's psychology giving Wheeler a WC over a win against Kournikova having made minimal Main Draws since :wavey:

Mateo Mathieu
May 8th, 2003, 01:30 PM
Dr, Janet Young played the Tour for little while... I don't know her so much. She works for Tennis Australia.

Kirt12255
May 8th, 2003, 01:35 PM
Dr, Janet Young played the Tour for little while... I don't know her so much. She works for Tennis Australia.

Well thanks for the info...always wondered about who made the decision. But...IMO...having little or no respect for Tennis Australia over the past 4 years.....I do hope she suprises me ...Wheeler seems like a nice girl....but stick with my view of Australian women needing to work for their draws...they have had it too easy for too long IMO.

Experimentee
May 8th, 2003, 03:17 PM
:confused: Wondering why in this deal....reguarding Wild-Card deals between slams.....would Christine Wheeler be given the WC above Stosur....she is higher ranked and proven herself a better player this year. To reinstate my point I have made twice already about this WC swapping....It is pathetic and unjust to every other country that doesn't hold a Slam IMO. Personally if Wheeler or Stosur are good enough on Clay then let them earn their main draw like everyone else....and who's to say that Dominikovich's ranking will be good enough to get her in? (Though should be safe one thinks...depending on cut-off) Who decides this?? How about giving WC's to Juniors showing promise...no matter which country they come from? And yes to past champions obviously. :confused:

I agree with the WC bit, i always thought it was a bit unfair that players with Grand Slams in their country get a free ride into the main draw. I suppose the country should have the right to give WC to its own players since its paying for the tournament, but its a bit rough on the players who dont come from the 4 Grand Slam countries to not get opportunities like that.
I think Christina made good use of her WC last year and she should get the opportunity to defend those points. Because she hasnt done much since it'll be really bad for her ranking when her RG points fall off, and she could be inspired to do well there again, who knows. I also thought Watson should have got a WC into the Aus Open because of the same reasons. I dont think Stosur is a good clay player anyway so probably not likely to do better than Wheeler.

Kirt12255
May 8th, 2003, 05:04 PM
I agree with the WC bit, i always thought it was a bit unfair that players with Grand Slams in their country get a free ride into the main draw. I suppose the country should have the right to give WC to its own players since its paying for the tournament, but its a bit rough on the players who dont come from the 4 Grand Slam countries to not get opportunities like that.
I think Christina made good use of her WC last year and she should get the opportunity to defend those points. Because she hasnt done much since it'll be really bad for her ranking when her RG points fall off, and she could be inspired to do well there again, who knows. I also thought Watson should have got a WC into the Aus Open because of the same reasons. I dont think Stosur is a good clay player anyway so probably not likely to do better than Wheeler.

:wavey: Ty for replying on my original point...have eaten dinner...played a game of Trivial Pursuit with friends and now someone has LOL....I agree with you...Yes she needs to defend her points....but I guess being concietist if she earned the right to play (through quallies) she has form and feel for the court.

When such a massive group (8) get the right to play....it's wrong to have an Aussie WC there who has basically produced nothing. But this year they have to obviously...(After AO)

I think the ITF with so many few big tournaments to run need a re-vamp....think about it...there is no reason to kill what the Williams' have done to this game (again not a major fan...but see reality)...and has every other player wanting to stand up now....why give wild-cards to those that havn't earned it?.....Can anyone tell me if Wheeler has won a match on clay except last year against Anna?....I doubt it....Any of the top 60 juniors last year would be better IMO

LisaRaymond
May 8th, 2003, 05:46 PM
:confused: Wondering why in this deal....reguarding Wild-Card deals between slams.....would Christine Wheeler be given the WC above Stosur....she is higher ranked and proven herself a better player this year.

If Stosur had been given the French Open wildcard then I think she couldn't have also been given the Wimbledon one, and she is a better player on grass so it makes more sense to give her the Wimbledon one.

Who decides this?? How about giving WC's to Juniors showing promise...no matter which country they come from? And yes to past champions obviously. :confused:

As far as I am aware, there is no rule that says you have to give the wildcards to people from a particular country (except for the reciprocal one), but juniors showing promise do not draw the same crowds and attention as a French player at the FO, for example, would, so it makes sense from the point of view of the FA for French players to be given WCs. It's unfair, but it makes sense. As for the reciprocal WC, well again, it isn't fair, but Christine Wheeler is ranked higher than all of the French WCs.

Even if we want to talk about being fair, it's very difficult to say with WCs who is 'deserving' or who have 'earned it' because if they had really 'earned it' they would be ranked high enough to get into the main draw or qualifying anyway. Yes, former champions, but apart from Michael Chang, I don't think there are any others who are still playing who would not qualify on their own. It's the same with formerly highly ranked players who have had devastating injuries, there just aren't many of them who are now in a position to play. You could end up in a situation where the WCs just go to the next-in and that isn't what they are supposed to be for.

Regarding undoing what the Williams' have done for the game, I really don't see that giving a WC to one obscure Australian is going to do that.

Monica_Rules
May 8th, 2003, 05:56 PM
2 of those women i have never heard of before!

LisaRaymond
May 8th, 2003, 06:07 PM
2 of those women i have never heard of before!

lol.
Name: Ranking (Tournaments)
Amadine Dulon: 232 (23)
Tatiana Golovin: 282 (9)
Anaïs Laurendon: 302 (12)
Virginie Pichet: 230 (21)
Camille Pin: 188 (30)
Christine Wheeler 184 (22)

paul_masterton
May 8th, 2003, 06:10 PM
Stosur is getting the Wimbledon one, thast why she didnt get this.

Pamela Shriver
May 8th, 2003, 07:49 PM
:sad: Where's my wild card? :sad: Bah, they'd bend over backwards to give me one if my name was Pamela Howard Navratilova.

LisaRaymond
May 8th, 2003, 09:07 PM
Bah, they'd bend over backwards to give me one if my name was Pamela Howard Navratilova.

Also if you could serve over the net. :o

TS
May 9th, 2003, 03:33 AM
Sorry didn't mean to offend a fan of Kournikova's....but it was part of a massive first round losing streak for Kournikova. I'm not knocking her...and yes she did...but I query what she has achieved since? best of luck to her I just find it wrong that's all....one of the 4 biggest tourney's of the year...I don't even think she has made a main draw since (except Aus Open ...Wild-Card too)

Christina didn't get a WC for the Aussie...she was in qualies ;)

I like this decision, Christina is arguably the best clay player we have that didn't get direct entry and considering she did well last year, she was the obvious choice. She also was hampered by a foot injury late last year that set her back a bit.

I like the idea of WC swapping between GS nations, but also understand your point about more worthy players from non-Slam countries missing out...but hey what can we do? That's the way it goes :)