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louloubelle
May 5th, 2003, 02:16 PM
Inspired from a thread in GM, I uncovered an old mag with a list of the top 10 juniors from 1975 - 90. (I'll have to track down from 91 onwards ;) ) Thought it would be interesting to see which juniors kicked on and which did not... for various reasons.

I'll add what I know about each player (some I have no idea on)... but anyone feel free to post what you may have heard about a particular junior... particularly the ones that disappeared.

Some may have played under married names for a large time in the careers too!

Now updated using Brian's top 30 open era list from GM.

1975
1. Natasha Chmyreva
2. Greer Stevens - Hghest rank 7
3. Regina Marsikova - 11
4. Linda Mottram
Beth Norton - 21
6. Barbara Jordan
7. Maria Simionescu
8. Michele Tyler
9. Susan Hagey
10. Eleni Rapponi

Chmyreva I think was always in trouble with the USSR federation. Natalia Bykova (fromer player) wrote an article about her which I can vaguely remember. Basically I think it was about how the federation runined one of it's most promising players. I think Chmyreva was a bit rebellious and copped a bit of grief also. Her mother was a 'parent from hell' apparently. Chris Evert wrote in her auto that Mrs. Chmyreva used to scream at her daughter in Russian during matches.

Greer Stevens, Sth Africa, was top 10 player, probably more well known for a rather cumbersome knee brace she used to wear.

Marsikova was the fringes of top 10 stardom, however was involved in a car accident killing someone and went to jail for 18 months... (or something similar)

Jordan wasn't successful as her sister Kathy on the tour but was able to do something Kathy couldn't, win a grand slam. Albeit in a weak Aussie field in 1979 over Sharon Walsh.

I have heard of some of the others but know nothing about them. Anyone :confused:

gorecki
May 5th, 2003, 03:43 PM
thanks louloubelle.

can you post for the other years as well? thanks! :)

louloubelle
May 6th, 2003, 01:44 PM
1976

1. Chmyreva
2. Marise Kruger - Highest rank 12. Any info??
3. Marsikova
4. Lynn Epstein
5. Michele Tyler
6. L. Romanov - 30
7. Hana Strachanova
8. Lea Antonopolis
9. Nina Bohm
10. Perrine Dupuy

Don't know much about this group. I know Antonopolis was a US tour player for a while and Stratchanova (Czechoslovakia) married Aussie tour player Brod Dyke (I think???) The others????

1977

1. Tracy Austin - who?? ;) Highest rank 1
2. Antonopolis
3. Anne Smith - well known for her Wimbledon doubles trumph with Kathy Jordan but a handy top 20 serve volley singles player too. Rank 12.
4. Strachanova
5. C. Casabianca
6. Maureen Louie - Known as Peanut Louie-Harper - it was once wrote that Peanut used to send her opponents and spectators to sleep with her moonballing. Still good enough for her to reach 19.
7. M. Rothschild
8. Romanov
9. Sylvia Hanika - French finalist in 81, Won end of year champs, beaten the likes of Evert, Navratilova. Rank 5
10. Petra Delhees - Swiss player who was on the tour for a while. When Hana played her first match on Wimbledon grass (either junior or seniors) Petra inflicted that defeat.

gorecki
May 6th, 2003, 03:49 PM
i've heard of Peanut, Anne Smith and Hanika...

Do you know what kind of style of play Sylvia had?

louloubelle
May 7th, 2003, 10:32 AM
1978

Bumper junior crop this year!

1. Austin - 1
2. Shriver - 3
3. Mandlikova - 3
4. Linda Seigel - VERY well known for playing BJK on Wimbledon Centre Court in 1979 and coming out of her top!! Apparently the story goes: who was playing Linda Seigel then Answer: you mean someone else was on court!
5. Stratchanova (three years in junior top 10!!!)
6. Casabianca
7. Ivanna Madruga - I think married and become Madruga-Osses from Argentina. Top 20 player but don't know anything else about her! Highest rank 16 (unconfirmed)
8. Louie
9. A. M. Fernandez - Was still on the tour ten years later, without too many brilliant results, however still a top 20 player.
10. Eva Pfaff - A dangerous hard hitter and early on formed a good doubles combination with Claudia Kodhe Kilsch. Could never get herself into decent shape and was known to be quite lazy. However played Martina once and had two match points before losing - underlining her talent. Highest rank - 17.

1979

1. Mary Lou Piatek - Married to become ML Daniels. Played the tour for many years. Highest rank 15.
2. Alicia Moulton. Blonde, big serving, net rusher, highest rank 18. A think reached the final of a tier 1 type tournie once. Can remember her playing Pam Shriver at the Aus Open in 87 losing 11-9 in the 3rd despite serving for the match I think.
3. Andrea Jaegar - 2
4. Lena Sandin -
5. Susan Leo - top Aussie junior but couldn't break in much further than the top 100.
6. Marianne van der Torre - Netherlands - can only remember that she was a baseliner with big swings losing to Hanika at the 87 Aus Open something like 10-8.
7. I. Villiger
8. Claudia Kodhe - top tenner for many years but never pushed for slam honours.
9. Kelly Henry
10 Kathleen Horvarth - who can forget her upset of Martina at the 84 French when Martina was practically unbeatable. Never really built on this huge win but did get top 10.

Gorecki - Hanika was a dangerous leftie, who hit with heavy topspin and slice. Not extremely liked on the tour by the sounds of it, but was capable of beating the best.

macn
May 7th, 2003, 06:00 PM
Ivanna Madruga took Chris Evert to 3 sets at the Italian open, She beat Wade, Fromholtz, Barker, Hanika and Kathy Jordan during her career. Mary Lou Daniels Piatek won a title in 1981 beating Hanika, Barker, R. Fairbanks and Betsey Nagelson along the way, she took Tracy Austin to three sets a few weeks later in the finals of a top tournament. Nina Bohm was a swedish player who's claim to fame was beating BJK in 1979.

louloubelle
May 8th, 2003, 12:11 PM
Thanx macn :)

1980

1. Susan Mascarin (US) - I think notable for a titanic match she played and lost against Steffi Graf at a slam (maybe US) 7-6 in the third.
2. Horvath
3. Dianne Freeman (Aus) - A junior Wimbldon slam winner then nothing!!
4. Leo
5. Kathrin Keil - US tour player for a while.
6. Villiger
7. Kelly Henry
8. Elise Burgin - US, top rank 22. Represented US in Fed and Wightman Cups. Steffi graf once said she was one her most difficult opponents because she was so unorthodox.
9. N. Schutte
10. P. Vasquez - Peruvian player on the tour for a while too.

1981

1. Zina Garrison - top rank 4
2. Andre Leand - top rank 13. US player who had a long stint off the tour because of injury. During her final years on the tour she became involved in the media and some tension evolved with Andrea using her players pass to compliment her media pass - apparently turning up in player only areas but sometime using this info in a media capacity.
3. Kate Gompert - US, top 18. Reached a rather large final of tournie against Evert once. Never saw her play.
4. Helena Sukova - 4
5. Bonnie Gadusek - US, top 8. Baseline scrapper, reached the US qtrs.
6. Anne Minter - AUS, top rank 23. Solid baseliner and beaten likes of Evert, Garrison, Sukova, Maleeva. Aus open qtr-finalist.
7. Elizabeth Sayers - Liz Smylie, top 20. More known for her doubles expertise. Wimbledon winner with Kathy Jordan stopping the two in a row Grand Slam run of Navrtailova/Shriver.
8. Rene Uys - South African. No other info??
9. Andrea Temesvari - Big htting topspinner from Hungary. Rank no. 7. Known for her hard task master father and eventually drifted from the scene apparently in spite of him. Made a reasonably successful comeback a few years later.
10. J. Salnikova

Mark43
May 9th, 2003, 09:28 PM
Thanks LouLouBelles! i remember quite a few of these names. I think Hana Strachonova was supposed to be the next big Czech after Martina, but she was addicted to shopping (or so said an article in World Tennis in 1979). Strachonova loved to go to Sax Feet (Saxs Fith Ave) and buy endless Louis Vuitton crap. She dissappeared right around the time that Mandlikova began to rise in the ranks, overshadowing Strachonova.

Marsikova was quite talented but very erratic...uh, what Czech wasn't? She always had white bottle blond hair and big bad teeth.

Wasn't Linda Mottram from the UK and her brother was some mid level player with the curious name, Buster Mottram? I remember Buster being tres creepy...but I was very young, so I am not sure why.

I recall Chmyreva being touted as a possible rival to Chris Evert in 1976. I think she played World team tennis (the Russians had their own team!) and that was it. I am sure she was out of the game by the end of 1977 and never accomplished anything in the pros. That was too bad.

louloubelle
May 9th, 2003, 11:20 PM
Thanks LouLouBelles! i remember quite a few of these names. I think Hana Strachonova was supposed to be the next big Czech after Martina, but she was addicted to shopping (or so said an article in World Tennis in 1979). Strachonova loved to go to Sax Feet (Saxs Fith Ave) and buy endless Louis Vuitton crap. She dissappeared right around the time that Mandlikova began to rise in the ranks, overshadowing Strachonova.

Lol @ Strachanova. Just like Martina became addicted to McDonalds.

1982

1. Sukova
2. Beth Herr - was a tour player for many years.
3. Catherine Tanvier - a talented French girl but known for her flakiness on court and played with no intensity. Once playing Gaby Sabatini on Wimbledon Centre Court she hit a shot that she though was a winner and then immediately turned her back on it. Gaby got the ball back and seeing that the crowd was amazed Tanvier turned around again and smacked another shot, this time for the winner. Ended up moving to Ireland and made a comeback attempt after injuring her knee but wasn't successful in making an impact. Top rank 20.
4. Gretchen Rush - Magers, solid, all court player, Wimbledon qtr-finalist. Top rank 22.
5. Manuel Maleeva - 3
6. Carling Bassett - 8
7. Penny Barg - Hung around the tour for a while and all I can recall was a match she played at Wimbledon quallies against Michelle Jaggard of Australia in which she had something like 8 match points, leads of 4-1 in both the 2nd and 3rd sets and lost.
8. Helena Olsson
Bernadette Randall - Another Aussie junior with high hopes but fell away. Lost a match i think at a semis of a junior slam to pat Hy after leading 5-2 in the 3rd with match points and maybe this set the way for her career. Couldn't make an impact therefore quit to join the police force.
10. E. Jones
Andrea Tiezzi

Colin B
May 11th, 2003, 02:10 AM
Wasn't Linda Mottram from the UK and her brother was some mid level player with the curious name, Buster Mottram? I remember Buster being tres creepy...but I was very young, so I am not sure why.

Christopher 'Buster' Mottram was an occasional top 20 player who (unusually for a Brit) played best on clay.
The 'creepyness' was probably due to his politics. He was a supporter of the ultra right-wing National Front, the forerunner of today's British National Party.
After retiring from Tennis, he tried to get selected as a Conservative Party candidate (he claimed Thatcher had taken the Tories far enough to the right, lol) but was, thankfuly, unsuccessful.

louloubelle
May 12th, 2003, 01:11 PM
1983

1. Pascal Paradis - French top 20 player, Wimbledon qtr-finalist beating Aussie Anne Minter on the way :mad: Pascal was a flashy player and created a stir at the Aus Open one year when playing Chris Evert. Defeating Pascal would've given Chris her 1000th win which was to be celebrated with a cake with 1000 candles. Pascal won the first set and this sent everyone into a panic thinking the cake would be wasted. One organiser said that if Paradis won, then they would make her coach, which was Virginia Wade eat wax for the entire fortnight!! Chris won and they set the candles alight which eventually caught fire and if it wasn't smothered by a blanket the fire would've taken the marquee with it.

2. Elizabeth Minter - Younger sister of Anne. Top 100 player, leftie, didn't make too much of an impact on the tour. Left the tour after she completed a journalism degree by correspondence.

3. Marianne Werdel - Big, go for broke hitter who came into her own after she married later in her career. Thumped Sabatini in the 1st rnd of the Aussie open one year and went all the way to semis to lose to ASV. Got revenge @ the Liptons against ASV a few months later. Highest rank 21.

4. Randall

5. Sabrina Goles - Played for Yugoslavia but not sure of her nationality. Fed Cup player, top 30 player.

6. A. Cecchini - Known as Sandra, Italian, highest rank of 15. Touch player, game centered around her slice backhand. Feiry and managed a win over Evert. Chris said of this match something like, 'if you lose to Sandra then you know you've lost to yourself!'.

7. Patricia Hy - Family fled Cambodia during the killing fields to Hong Kong and played under that banner for a while. Then took out Canadian citizenship and played Fed Cup for them. Qtr-finalist at the US Open by beating Capriati and Sukova. I remember also took steffi graf to three sets a few times. Highest rank 28. Was President of WTA at one stage but landed herself in the middle of a law suit for some reason??

8. Petra Huber - Austrian maybe, played on the tour for a while.

9. Natalie Herreman - French leftie. Beat Mandlikova at the French one year and beat Capriati at the Liptons in one of jenny's first three or four tournies. Therefore stopping a potential 1st showdown between Seles and Capriati.

10. Michelle Torres - Top 18, US player. Baseliner with a tendency to moonball apparently. She used this tactic against Chris Evert once, to a point where Chris attacked the net after every point. A journalist said to Chris that wasn't she responsible for these moonballers. Chris snapped back: no, I never moonballed, i am agressive from the baseline!!

raquel
May 12th, 2003, 01:58 PM
Chmyreva I think was always in trouble with the USSR federation. Natalia Bykova (fromer player) wrote an article about her which I can vaguely remember. Basically I think it was about how the federation runined one of it's most promising players.
Here is a link to an article about Chmyreva that someone posted in the Russian forum. I think someone posted a link to it in one of the other threads in Blast From The Past. It is a sad story.

http://www.wtaworld.com/showthread.php?threadid=4478

TheBoiledEgg
May 12th, 2003, 04:55 PM
thanx louloubelle for all these :)

louloubelle
May 13th, 2003, 01:33 PM
Thanx racquel for the article. it's been bugging me for days that I couldn't remeber the Chyrmeva story :)

1984

1. Gabriela Sabatini - 3

2. Katerina Maleeva - 6

3. Anabel Croft - 24. Brit with a big forehand. gave up tennis for TV. I think she became a letter turner for Wheel of Fortune or something?!
4. Stephanie Rehe - Promising American in the Evert mould. Top 10 but injuries curtailed her career. At one stage was dating Steffi graf's brother.

5. Neige Dias - Reached the outskirts of the top 30. Claycourter, brazilian and I remember loved to drop shot.

6. Steffi Graf - made her run a year or two after 84, but was playing on the tour at age 13.

7. Niurka Sodupe - US player, but know nothing about her.

8. Elna Reinach - South African, tall, baseliner with a sliced forehand. nearly beat Martina at Wimbledon one year having a break in the 3rd set. Rank 26.

9. Janine Thompson - A promising Aussie, leftie who made the 4th rnd of Aussie and French Opens, but knee and ankle injuries curtailed her career.

10. Shawn Foltz

irma
May 13th, 2003, 01:57 PM
I wonder about something they always say stephanie rehe and steffi where the youngest players ever to get a ranking, but what about mary joe f? according to itf she played her first tournament at 13 years and a month :eek:

Kart
May 13th, 2003, 05:38 PM
1. Pascal Paradis - French top 20 player, Wimbledon qtr-finalist beating Aussie Anne Minter on the way :mad: Pascal was a flashy player and created a stir at the Aus Open one year when playing Chris Evert. Defeating Pascal would've given Chris her 1000th win which was to be celebrated with a cake with 1000 candles. Pascal won the first set and this sent everyone into a panic thinking the cake would be wasted. One organiser said that if Paradis won, then they would make her coach, which was Virginia Wade eat wax for the entire fortnight!! Chris won and they set the candles alight which eventually caught fire and if it wasn't smothered by a blanket the fire would've taken the marquee with it.



LOL :D.

BTW Anabel Croft now presents British Eurosport's WTA tennis coverage.

louloubelle
May 14th, 2003, 07:49 AM
1985

1. Laura Garrone - Italian top 50 maybe,
2. Andrea Holikova - Czech rep on Fed Cup teams.
3. Jenny Byrne - Top 50 Aussie with wins over Shriver and Hana.
4. Helen Kelesi - See the Helen Kelesi thread in this forum for info on this babe!
5. Patricia Tarabini - Laidback Argentine, top 30, more of a doubles expert later in her career. Was a coach (or other things ;) ) with Conchita Martinez.
6. Dinky Van Rensburg - South Africam, no relation to Christo from the mens tour. Played the tour for a while and blew a 4-1 lead against pam Shriver at Wimbledon one year. Pam then progressed to the semis.
7. Mary Jo Fernandez - 4
8. Laura Golarsa - Italian, all court player, made the qtrs of Wimbledon beating Novotna and losing a 4-1 lead against Evert who was in her last Wimbledon.
9. Marianna Perez-Roldan - Argentine claycourter. Did she have a brother on the mens tour??
10. Helena Dahlstroem - Swedish player who all i could recall played a number of satellite matches.

Snuffkin
May 14th, 2003, 11:59 PM
LOL :D.

BTW Anabel Croft now presents British Eurosport's WTA tennis coverage.

And let's not forget her stint as the runner on 'Treasure Hunt', taking over the mantle of Anneka Rice, many years ago. She inherited the programme at the time it was dying...slowly...just like her career.

And of course, she now graces the Eurosport sofa in all her anorexic beauty and Marks and Spencer tops. She was surgically removed from the sofa for her role as European Collins Cup captain. That too, like most other things she has touched, died.

Colin B
May 16th, 2003, 09:38 AM
And let's not forget her stint as the runner on 'Treasure Hunt', taking over the mantle of Anneka Rice, many years ago. She inherited the programme at the time it was dying...slowly...just like her career.

And of course, she now graces the Eurosport sofa in all her anorexic beauty and Marks and Spencer tops. She was surgically removed from the sofa for her role as European Collins Cup captain. That too, like most other things she has touched, died.
At the risk of making a 'General Mess' out of BFTP,

MMEEEEEEOOOWWWW!!!!!

Kart
May 16th, 2003, 10:17 PM
And let's not forget her stint as the runner on 'Treasure Hunt', taking over the mantle of Anneka Rice, many years ago. She inherited the programme at the time it was dying...slowly...just like her career.

And of course, she now graces the Eurosport sofa in all her anorexic beauty and Marks and Spencer tops. She was surgically removed from the sofa for her role as European Collins Cup captain. That too, like most other things she has touched, died.

How could I forget, nor could I forget 'The Interceptor' TV show ... although that particular travesty was arguably terminal from conception.

louloubelle
May 19th, 2003, 02:26 PM
1986

1 Tarabini
2. Provis
Zvereva
4. Bettina Fulco
5. Radka Zrubakova
6. Elly Hakami
7. Giselle Miro
8. Leila Meskhi
9. Michelle Jaggard
10. Shaun Stafford

1987

1. Zvereva
2. Barbara Paulus
3. Gabriela Mosca
4. Provis
5. Sandra Birch
6. Julie Halard
7. Tanja Weigl
8. Jana Pospisilova
9. Andrea Vieria
Jaggard

Rollo
May 19th, 2003, 03:28 PM
Great thread louloubelle:)

Nicole Provis could have resurrected Aussie women's tennis IMO if she hadn't been such a choker. With her pretty blonde face she could have been Oz's Sue Barker. Did anyone ever see her semi vs. Zvereva in the 1988 French? Provis had a match point for the final! :eek:

Rollo
May 19th, 2003, 03:33 PM
Claudia Casabianca's potential was almost certainly destroyed by an incident with her father. She was playing a WTA event in Buenos Aires when "after she lost a particularly painful point, her father stalked onto the court and slapped her. Claudia reacted to this paternal incentive as you might expect-she lost the match." :eek:

After that Claudia basically dropped off the tour except for a brief go again in 198-81.

Rollo
May 19th, 2003, 03:40 PM
Tennis magazine had some comments on juniors from 1977.


1977

Antopolis (2) attacking, all-court player with strong strokes buts lacks mobility.

Anne Smith (3)-strong overhead

Strachanova(4)-has tough backhand

Casabianca(5)-uses heavy topspin and covers court beautifully

Maria Rothschild (7)-steady baseliner who needs to develop more power on her second serve

*I don't recall Rothschild at all*.

Lucia Romanov-(8)-uses two hands on both sides.

Sylvia Hanika (9)-fine topspin forehand. Needs to work on her mobility.

Petra Delhees (10) Athletic southpaw with aggressive serve and volley game. Nifty touch at the net.

cunnihingis
May 20th, 2003, 06:52 PM
wonderful thread louloubelle! :)

when i see their junior rankings i realise it makes may of the players respective careers even longer. andrea temesvari, for example.

Great thread louloubelle:)

Nicole Provis could have resurrected Aussie women's tennis IMO if she hadn't been such a choker. With her pretty blonde face she could have been Oz's Sue Barker. Did anyone ever see her semi vs. Zvereva in the 1988 French? Provis had a match point for the final! :eek:

i recall that match vividly and i couldn't agree more. nicole provis bradtke's nerves let that match slip away. instead the equally fragile natalia zvereva went to the final to be infamously vanquished by graf.

louloubelle
May 21st, 2003, 12:33 PM
Great thread louloubelle:)

Nicole Provis could have resurrected Aussie women's tennis IMO if she hadn't been such a choker. With her pretty blonde face she could have been Oz's Sue Barker. Did anyone ever see her semi vs. Zvereva in the 1988 French? Provis had a match point for the final! :eek:

Nnnnnnooooooo aaaaaaaahhhhhhhh I can't believe what i am reading Rollo and Cunnihingis :mad: ;) ;) Mrs. Bradtke was no way a choker... well she wasn't Jana or Gaby-like anyway :p Admittedly she was no Margaret Court (but then again who is ;) ) however she just wasn't single minded enough to really make it big on the tour. Her family was reasonably well-off and Nicole just played because she was good enough and loved tennis, not really as a singled minded, money driven career. She lacked ruthlessness on court (and in her younger days was very moody and petulant on court) which really stopped her from atleast pushing top 15.

That semi against Zvereva was a nightmare for me in many ways. Staying up all night to watch it, Zvereva drop shotted Nicky everywhere to win the 1st, Nicole stemmed the flow in the 2nd by squeezing a tiebreak and got to match point at 5-4. Zvereva attacked the net (not her forte in those days ;) ) and put an overhead away and that was the end of that!! Nicole wasn't ever lucky with a run like that again constantly unable to beat the likes of Gaby, ASV... and missed her chance.

I had a uni exam the next day and got something like 28/100 for it. I was sooo tried and depressed because of what happened... and had to spend mid term break re-studying the bloody thing to pass it. :( The sacrifices I made... and they were all for nothing!!

Anyway having clear that up ;) 1988

1. Joanne Faull - highest rank was 60. Her success and strength in the juniors hid many technical flaws in her game which were very much exposed after her inital bang on tour.
2. Rachel McQuillan - Reached 28 and then fell away. Game was too lightweight and her mentality has always been a problem.
3. Julie Halard - Flashy Frenchy, No. 7.
4. Ann Grossman - Scrappy baseliner, No. 29.
5. Emmanuelle Derly - Never lived up to her junior promise.
6. Carrie Cunningham - Leftie who didn't hang around the tour for too long when her ranking started to slip.
7. Brenda Schultz - One of the fastest servers in the women's game. No. 9
8. Christina Tessi - Highly rated Argentine but didn't make an impact on the tour. Apparently her brother was her coach and used to go mental at her during the matches and if she lost.
9. Amy Frazier - Consistent performer on the tour, had many great wins, no. 13.
10. Andrea Farley - US junior, but never really gave the tour much of a go as far as I know.

preacherfan
Jan 1st, 2006, 11:16 PM
BUMP -- good thread

Anyone know any further info on some of these players?

Hana Strachanova - Wasn't she supposed to be a top player one day? It seems like she played for Switzerland later in her career.

gabybackhand
Jan 2nd, 2006, 01:28 PM
Great thread! And pretty original I think
Some tips to add:
I don't know anything about Claudia Casabianca's incident with her father, but I was very young then. I just remember about her, back to the 80s, that she was a little haughty and not bad looking blond woman who was well-known here (women's tennis was relatively little-known here back then, those were the pre-Sabatini years)for her apparently big mouth: she liked to create controversy, and I remember her kinda jealuous remark when Sabatini was hitting huge at the Juniors and early Pro tournaments that if she faced her: "A Gabriela no quiero destruirla" (I don't want to smack out Gabriela"). Later she was on a popular peak (for men!) when she posed or semi-naked for an local s magazine. She liked the spotlight it seems!
Ivanna Madruga de Ossés was consistently the best Argentine player before Sabatini came over. I think she had a decent career, and for years ran a tennis complex in Florida, I'm almost sure it hosted Boca Raton and Delray Beach tournaments.
As for Andrea Temesvari, though I never saw her play, I did see her pics and I learned she was known for her good looks, and used to be considered one of the prettiests s on Tour.
Patricia Tarabini is a very very talented player who was constantly accussed here, when younger, to waste her talent by not being proffessional and letting her temper take her out during matches (she had a tendency to argue with umpires!). Later she worked better but was mores successful in doubles. And yes, she played and coached Conchita, and smthg more it seems as Conchita was said once here some years ago to be dating an Argentine tennis player!!!! :devil: , but a not very famous one!

And about Nicole Provis, I saw her play here live in a Fed Cup rubber Argentina won 5-0 in 1995, but though I never saw any of those matches, I still get mad at 88 FO draw and the SF: Provis vs. Zvereva on one side, Graf vs. Sabatini on the other :fiery: :fiery: :fiery:

preacherfan
Jan 2nd, 2006, 01:59 PM
Funny tidbit about Temesvari. I saw her play doubles in '96 at Amelia Island. She and Asa Carlsson were playing Laura Golarsa and Irina Spirlea. Temesvari was way past her prime but still attracted a large crowd on a side court. She seemed to carry herself like she knew she was somebody and played the crowd and complained to the umpires. Spirlea got sick of it and mouthed off a few times at Andrea. If looks could kill, Spirlea would've committed murder that day. She looked like she would've jumped the net and started swinging fists. Spirlea and Golarsa won in straight sets.

Interestingly enough, Spirlea won the event, defeating Sanchez-Vicario and Pierce for her biggest singles crown.

samn
Jan 2nd, 2006, 02:09 PM
I still get mad at 88 FO draw and the SF: Provis vs. Zvereva on one side, Graf vs. Sabatini on the other :fiery: :fiery: :fiery:



Well, the expected semifinal pairings were supposed to have been Graf versus Sabatini in the top half and Evert versus Navratilova in the bottom half. Just before the start of the French that year, some experts were predicting a Sabatini versus Evert final, but the shocking exits of Evert and Navratilova in the first week left the bottom half wide open.

CDGS22
Jan 2nd, 2006, 03:42 PM
Question------Did Steffi Graf ever make it into the Junior top ten? Cause I didn't see her on any of your lists.

spiceboy
Jan 2nd, 2006, 04:04 PM
Question------Did Steffi Graf ever make it into the Junior top ten? Cause I didn't see her on any of your lists.

She's in the 1984 list ;)

LeRoy.
Jan 2nd, 2006, 06:16 PM
did Seles never play juniors ?

tommystar
Jan 2nd, 2006, 11:57 PM
1985

9. Marianna Perez-Roldan - Argentine claycourter. Did she have a brother on the mens tour??


She did. He's Gulliermo Perez-Roldan used to date with Gaby around 92/93(?)

BCP
Jan 3rd, 2006, 08:28 AM
Great thread Louloubelle. What I find interesting is the surprising order that some of these more recognisable names were ranked as juniors. Some of the mid-ranked juniors went on to have great careers, and many of the top-ranked juniors went on to have so-so careers.It's very interesting to see how the juniors transition to the pros.

gabybackhand
Mar 7th, 2006, 05:02 PM
Well, the expected semifinal pairings were supposed to have been Graf versus Sabatini in the top half and Evert versus Navratilova in the bottom half. Just before the start of the French that year, some experts were predicting a Sabatini versus Evert final, but the shocking exits of Evert and Navratilova in the first week left the bottom half wide open.

I know, I know. But what I mean is, couldn't just Gaby be lucky one time and get a way of reaching the finals at the French even if by the upsets of the favourites of her side of the draw?

Jem
Mar 8th, 2006, 02:19 AM
Inspired from a thread in GM, I uncovered an old mag with a list of the top 10 juniors from 1975 - 90. (I'll have to track down from 91 onwards ;) ) Thought it would be interesting to see which juniors kicked on and which did not... for various reasons.

1975
1. Natasha Chmyreva
2. Greer Stevens - Hghest rank 7
3. Regina Marsikova - 11
4. Linda Mottram
Beth Norton - 21
6. Barbara Jordan
7. Maria Simionescu
8. Michele Tyler
9. Susan Hagey
10. Eleni Rapponi



Chymreva might have been the real deal had the Soviets allowed her to play, but they kept her behind closed doors after the 77 team tennis season. That year, by the way, I saw Natasha beat Chris Evert at the Peanut Tennis Classic in Plains, Ga. She had big strokes, a big serve and the ability to volley. At the time, I think Chris saw her as an emerging major threat, greater than Martina N.

Greer Stevens played her best tennis after a serious knee injury -- resulting from team tennis -- required surgery and the massive knee brace. I believe, in only her second tournament back from the surgery, she beat Evert on a fast carpet in Hollywood, Florida, Virginia Slims tournament. She was a strong serve and volleyer, who retired early to marry and buy a dairy farm.

Marsikova was very talented and, i think, very moody. You never knew who would show up. She had a bad ankle injury at the U.S. Open against Wade and was carted off in a wheel chair. Then, the hit-and-run accident that sent her to prison. She experienced some success coming back, but was never the same. Could anyone be?

Linda Mottram was a British hopeful who, at one point, was the youngest player in the Open era to play at Wimbledon at age 16. She lost to Tracy Austin in Austin's maiden WTA tournament, when she won Portland Avon Future in January 1977, then beat Austin the very next week in the first round at the VS Houston. I'm guessing Mottram didn't like the grind of the tour, because she retired early, which was the direction taken by a lot of Britain's promising players in the 1970s. As someone noted, her brother, Buster, was a controversial conservative.

Big things were expected of Beth Norton, but she never panned out in a big way. She had a journeyman's career, the good win here and there. She had something like 19 or 20 adopted brothers and sisters, and it was a great story.

Barbara Jordan was an Australian Open champion! Actually, she was a good player, but nothing near as good as little sister, Kathy. The Australian may have been her only win, but she did have Martina on the ropes at Wimbledon one year if memory serves me correct. And that's a big if!

Maria Simionescu was actually Marianna Simionescue, a beautiful Romanian who became most famous for becoming Mariana Borg, the wife of Bjorn Borg, who she divorced fairly soon into their marriage. She was Romanian and a solid player, but her romance with Borg and subsequent alimony probably kept her from reaching her full potential. Or maybe not!

Michele Tyler was another British hopeful, who might have been destined for the top 20. But she became disillusioned with the tour and when last I heard of her was working as a sales clerk at Herods in London. I may be given them more credit than they deserve, but I think Tyler and Mottram would have given the British something to cheer about between Wade-Barker and Durie-Hobbs!

Susan Hagey was a promising American collegiate player, who gave the pro tour a try and did win her way up to the main Avon tour. I want to say she was the sister of U.S. pro Chico Hagey, but I may be making things up if I do. If she made a Grand Slam draw, I'm guessing it would have been the U.S. Open.

Eleni Rapponi was actually Emilse Rapponi-Longo, an Argentine who can claim a victory over Steffi Graf among her credits. I think the win came in the qualifying for the Family Circle Cup in probably Graf's first year on the tour. It was a loss Graf avenged the very next week in Amelia Island. Or maybe I have those results mixed up, and Graf won in Hilton Head and lost in Amelia Island. Anyway, Emilse is one of few who can claim a win over Graf, so it's an accomplishment. I believe she also reached a tour final in Buenos Aires before losing to Caroline Stoll.