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Apr 22nd, 2003, 11:33 PM
I have to say that I do miss "Miss Swiss", Martina Hingis. Remember her famous quote about the Sisters? She didn't mince words - did she? Martina & others felt that at one time - Venus and Serena would make an unforced error - because they were soooo slow - or whatever. Now - if they felt that the Sisters hit wayyyyyy tooooo many ue's - then wouldn't it come a time when the mistakes were limited some? Hopefully? They were actually playing that way - waiting for Venus or Serena to make an error.

Regardless of all that was done and said back then - I always believed the Sisters would improve - and guess what - they believed it also - and hence it is why they improved.

And though Martina would get on my nerves w/some of her trash talking (let's call it what it was) - I eventually got passed all that - and that began when the Sisters started winning more and beating the top players to include Martina.

Those were the good 'ole days. And I do miss Martina "I Was the Wta Tour Queen Before", Hingis.


Bewildered Hingis left seeing double


(Oliver Holt - The Times - July 5, 2000)

The baton of domination is usually passed from old to young, but Venus Williams marched up to Martina Hingis on Centre Court yesterday and ripped it from her like a sixth-former picking on a first-year. As Williams danced her post-match jig of jubilation by the umpire's chair and flirted with the idea of wrapping herself in the Stars and Stripes, it was impossible not to feel a little sad for her victim: 19 is awfully young to be shown the future, especially when it does not include you. There was, though, an inescapable feeling that the mini-classic that these young women played out represented the beginning of a changing of the guard in women's tennis. The elder Williams sister had never beaten Hingis in a grand-slam event before, but she bullied her off the court this time. She was too big, too strong and too athletic, and Hingis could not match her power. As it became obvious that the match was Williams's for the taking, the world No 1 seemed to shrink before our eyes.

What makes it worse, what must be making Hingis feel all the more doleful, is that she is not just up against one Williams. If she had got past Venus, Serena would have been waiting for her in the semifinal. The same scenario played itself out at the US Open last year. Venus, 20, softened Hingis up in the semi-final; Serena, two years younger than her sibling, finished her off in the final.

Now the two titans from Compton in Los Angeles will face each other instead. Yesterday, as soon as she had demolished Lisa Raymond 6-2, 6-0 on Court No 1, Serena headed straight for the players' box on Centre Court to cheer Venus on. Early in the third set she was shaking her fist at her sister, urging her forward when it seemed she might be tightening up. When victory was within sight at 5-4 in the third set, though, Serena went quiet. Too nervous to applaud, she rested her head on the shoulder of her father, Richard, as Venus served. Then she leapt to her feet. It was an ace, and a yell of triumph came from deep inside her sister. She, too, sensed the significance of the result.

Hingis will not disappear. She was masterful in the way that she tried to counter the elder Williams's superior power, pushing and pulling her all over the court, rallying with her as best she could and unsettling her with a series of beautifully disguised drop shots. It was the guile of Hingis against the strength of Williams, but it was also clear that if Williams did not fold she would win. Hingis needed her to weaken to have a chance, but Williams would not oblige.

Much of her play was formidable in its assurance. Williams bewildered Hingis in the first set in particular by taking the ball frighteningly early, rifling returns cross-court and down the line. In the opening games she made the drive-volley her signature shot and executed it unerringly. Only when she ventured to the net for more conventional volleys did she appear tentative, but she kept those occasions to a minimum.

Both sisters were coy about their impending meeting. Neither could bring themselves to say that they wanted to win, neither would say whether they felt they might have some advantage over the other. They contented themselves with memories of their childhoods together, the way their father had told them they were the best from the age of 5, and the tennis rivalry that burned in them even then.

"She's an ace and I'm Momma Smash," Serena said. "We did not really get too competitive when we were kids. Venus has always been so calm, just like a monotone-type person. I'm at the other end of the stick, always going crazy. I think we really balance each other out, especially when we're playing each other. I don't know how it will feel for my parents to watch us play each other. I know I would be heartbroken if my little Jackie had to play my Star. They're my two dogs."

Hingis obviously feels that their bond is so close that she is somehow playing both sisters every time she meets one of them. The relationship between Hingis and the players who have been described as the Sisters Without Mercy, so ruthless have they been, is uneasy to say the least. Last week it got to the point where Hingis was pouring scorn on Serena's lack of experience with men. When she was asked about her match with Venus, though, she answered as if she had been seeing double.

"I missed a couple of opportunities," Hingis said. "Against them, you know, every point is important. It was too bad. I was close. But they have a little advantage here, especially with their serves. I think Serena is a little bit stronger than Venus at the moment but it is a family affair now. I don't know how they will work it out.

"I don't think I have gone backwards in the last three years. I have improved a lot. It has all changed so much since the Williamses started playing better. They were always out there because they're my age, but they didn't used to be as steady or as consistent."

Before she left, Hingis was asked if she still felt like the world No 1. She gave a rather unconvincing answer. She has not won a grand-slam event this year and if the Williams sisters continue their forced march, the next one may be a long time coming.

Apr 23rd, 2003, 12:09 AM
The next Grand Slam never came. :(

Apr 23rd, 2003, 12:24 AM
Hingis was a bitch...and she was humbled...end of story...I never liked her, never will...but I feel for her faves...I know how sad it is to see your fave retire ;)

Apr 23rd, 2003, 12:25 AM
Yea, and now you know how it feels to have a favorite that can't win Grand Slams. :)

Apr 23rd, 2003, 12:33 AM
I need to post this interview - because like I said before - players make all kind of quotes - and sometimes - we don't see or remember them all.

Below is why I never held a grudge against Martina. She seemed real in the below interview - and eventually I learned that I would miss her if she left the game early. I never wanted to believe she would do it - but I was alarmed by her early on.



Flushing Meadows, New York

August 28, 2000

M. HINGIS/A. Jidkova
6-3, 6-1

An Interview With:


MODERATOR: Questions for Martina.

Q. Pretty easy, huh?

MARTINA HINGIS: I mean, I never played this girl before, so I didn't exactly know, you know, in the beginning what to do. You know, as soon as the match went on, I felt more and more confident.

Q. You've heard this question before, but talk about it again. Do you treat matches like that as practice, more or less?

MARTINA HINGIS: Yeah. I went out there and I've been working on a few things before coming into this tournament. I think, you know, I had a good tournament the last one I played. I just got better and better each time. Sometimes, you know, you've got to do it in the match, not in practice. I think it was a good start, yes.

Q. What things are you working on specifically?

MARTINA HINGIS: Being more aggressive, going in, to step into the ball, just make more myself; not just wait. I think I did that pretty well today, especially towards the end. I mean, in the beginning I was still missing a few because, you know, I didn't know her. Then once I started reading her game, it was much easier.

Q. What did you do during the rain delay? Were you here?

MARTINA HINGIS: Yeah, I was here, just hanging around, as everybody else. I practiced in the morning like before they went on court. I had lunch. Just relaxing, talking to people, haven't seen them in a long time.

Q. You didn't watch last year's women's final on the TV?

MARTINA HINGIS: No. In our section, some of the TVs, they went crazy. I don't know. Couldn't switch all the channels. I was just watching Arantxa when she played. I was talking to Jan-Michael, my mixed partner, this time. I was just at lunch in that corner, not watching TV, just talking.

Q. The USTA released a little sheet of paper saying celebrity's pick, winners of The Open. A lot of people picked Venus or Serena. You're the No. 1 seed. Do you find it irritating that here you are the No. 1 seed and --?

MARTINA HINGIS: Well, they had a very good summer. They played very good on hard court. Well, Serena didn't play that much since Wimbledon, but Venus, you know, if I'd be a fan, maybe I'd pick her, too. It's going -- you never know with the tournaments. Usually people used to pick me, and I didn't win the French or so. You never know.

Q. Do you feel like a favorite or do you feel like an underdog?

MARTINA HINGIS: Maybe both (laughter). Myself, I feel like I have a pretty good chance. I'm playing well. On the other side, you know, because they've been maybe playing, especially Venus, she won four straight tournaments, maybe she's the one who is more favored. I'm feeling good right now, so we'll see.

Q. Is there the sense that you have to raise the level of your game because of the improvement of these other players?

MARTINA HINGIS: Oh, it's just you have to continue to improve as long as you want to stay up there. It's like on a daily basis, you try to get better every day. It's not because someone else is pushing you. I mean, just everybody gets better. You have to get better, too, definitely, especially the top players.

Q. What kind of things are you maybe doing to improve your strength? Some players, besides weight lifting, take supplements. Do you do that?

MARTINA HINGIS: I don't want to die when I'm going to be 30. I mean, you see different things, you know, written about that people die so early because of heart problems and so. I'm scared of that stuff, so I don't. My life is too nice right now, if I start taking something else to bulk myself up to get bigger, it's not worth it for me. Maybe for other people, but not for me.

Q. Just weight lifting more?

MARTINA HINGIS: I think my speed and quickness is the end all of my game anyway. If I get bigger, I just get slower, and that's not my game. I realize that. Just have to work on my speed, just be light and fast on the court, not be a big hitter. I mean,

Apr 23rd, 2003, 12:43 AM
Yea, and now you know how it feels to have a favorite that can't win Grand Slams. :)

At least my fave still believes in herself and is not willing to quit just because she hasnt won a slam in a while

Apr 23rd, 2003, 12:53 AM
Lordy - what happened to the rest of the interview? Well - here it is. My bad.

Q. What is your favorite thing about coming back to New York each year?

MARTINA HINGIS: Manhattan, to stay there, so many things to do. But they're almost too distracting that you just want to be at the courts here as long as possible in the morning and afternoon. There's just so many people right now. Hopefully, you know, as the tournament goes on, it's going to be less and less, and I'm still going to be here. No, it's a great town, so much atmosphere, so much tension. I love it.

Q. Does Manhattan have the most sizzle of all the cities you go to across the world?

MARTINA HINGIS: Well, they're all different. I mean, like I love Paris, too. Wimbledon is a little bit way out. I never got to go to the city this year. Paris is like more the French style, and London more conservative as the English are. This is just Americans, crazy, wild, but I love it (laughter).

Q. What made you pick Jan-Michael as your mixed doubles partner?

MARTINA HINGIS: Well, it's not official yet. It was a surprise. No, I mean, I met him like since I was also with adidas, we did that photo shoot, kind of got to know each other a little bit better. I played Hopman Cup against him, which I liked, too. It was the only team we beat at Hopman Cup, the Americans. I just like him as a person very much. I thought I didn't know whether Mary was going to play the doubles or not, so I asked Jan-Michael to play mixed. We both know the singles and doubles are more important just to play some matches. It's going to be fun again.

Q. Did you and Magnus Norman discuss possibly playing mixed doubles?

MARTINA HINGIS: I wanted to tell him before I was choosing someone else. Yeah, that issue was on the table before already (laughter).

Q. He decided he didn't want to play?

MARTINA HINGIS: He's got no ranking (laughter). No, I mean, for both of us, we're professionals, but it's just -- doubles is good for ^ argument, so no. I mean, he started playing more doubles. No, I'd probably be too nervous just not to mess things up.

Q. Hewitt and Clijsters play together and seemed to survive.

MARTINA HINGIS: We'll see how it goes. Haven't played in a while. It's less pressure with Jan-Michael, I think. People watching, expecting what's going to happen. Maybe some other time. Better focus on his singles to do well.

Q. Given that you have not won a Grand Slam this year; it's actually almost two years, how motivated are you to win this title?

MARTINA HINGIS: Maybe more than some other times, but you always try to step up your level, especially at the Grand Slam events. I know I had maybe chances at the French, Australian Open, even at Wimbledon I thought I was playing some of my best tennis. Venus played well, I was always a step late. I hope I pretty much got my game together here at this tournament. I'm looking forward to the next matches.

Q. Have you been playing too conservative at the Grand Slams in the big matches?

MARTINA HINGIS: Well, maybe at the French I had the biggest chance. Venus lost in the quarters. Serena didn't play. Lindsay, you know, lost early because of her back. There was definitely my biggest chance to win that Grand Slam this year. You know, Mary came out basically almost out of nowhere and came with this victory, which she deserved; she played very well. I was just too nervous. She deserved it, you know.

Q. Venus said after Wimbledon a few weeks ago that she thought during the third set of your match you were just waiting for her to choke, which is essentially the reason why she won, because she got aggressive and won the match, you were laying back and waiting for her to miss. Do you agree with that?

MARTINA HINGIS: It's been pretty much the whole match like that, that she was the one who is more aggressive because she has a game like that. She has got the serve to have the game to be aggressive. But in my position, I was always waiting to get a chance. In a way, it's true. She just played a very good match. She didn't let me into the game in the third set. I mean, I should have taken my chances earlier, not waiting for her to miss or to do something stupid.

Q. You said that you did not have the power of Venus or Lindsay or Mary. What is it with your game that makes you No. 1?

MARTINA HINGIS: Well, I think the consistency, my anticipation on the court, that I see quite early what's the best to do against certain players, you know, just the quickness. Don't let them overpower me; just be quicker than them.

Q. You came on as a young player, just had these fantastic results. Then of course last year there were some problems or whatever. Do you feel --?

MARTINA HINGIS: "Problems"? What do you mean by "problems"? I still had a pretty decent career so far.

Q. No one's questioning that. I think it's fair to say -- most would say you had a tough year last year.

MARTINA HINGIS: I don't know. Three finals. It's true, but, I mean, compared to '97 it was just like an amazing year. I mean, everybody expects me to do as in '97, which, in a way, I feel is like unfair. I have five Grand Slams. Venus and Serena each have one. Lindsay maybe now has three because she played better. But she's 24. The Williamses, you know, they're my age. I think so far I've been better than them. I haven't been injured as them. It's just the consistency, that's what it counts to be No. 1, not who wins the most tournaments or who hits the ball the fastest; who hits the fastest serve.

Q. Do you think people have a tendency to dismiss your results recently and overlook your results?

MARTINA HINGIS: Well, I think just sometimes people don't exactly understand my game, why I'm up there. The fans, when they watch me, because I don't hit the ball as hard as Venus or some of these girls, but, you know, I've got a pretty good all-around game, I think. It's just no weakness, more or less. Maybe, okay, talk about my serve, about my forehand. But when I get to play those players, it's just a different ballgame, you know. It's like maybe, okay, I had a few problems, but who doesn't when he's a teenager? I mean, you learn by playing tournaments. You have to deal with different things than just playing tennis. That's what you just -- it's like going to school: it's never the same what you learn, but when you go in the real world, it's just always a little bit different from what you expect. I had to deal with all these things: being No. 1, the pressure. I think now I survived quite a bit, and now I think I can improve my game again.

Q. Actually, the question I was trying to get to was: Do you feel a comfort level now with your place on the tour and a maturity and a confidence that you didn't have before?

MARTINA HINGIS: Yeah, now I think I got to the stage where I don't let anybody else, you know, talk into what I'm doing. Now I can go forward again. I think I got much better the last year. Actually, I feel like I improve every month, every match. I talk to my mom a lot and Mario. You know, they're a great support to have. Even like I maybe lost in San Diego in quarters, then I made the semis, and the last one I won. It's just constant improvement.

End of FastScripts….

Apr 23rd, 2003, 01:46 AM
Hingis was a quote machine. My favorites:

When asked about Sergei Federov being smitten with Anna Kournikova, Hingis replied, "I've seen Anna without her makeup. He should be deported."

When asked about the Williams sisters becoming Number One: "Right. Maybe when I'm retired."

Make of that last one what you will.....

Apr 23rd, 2003, 02:01 AM
"The baton of domination is usually passed from old to young, but Venus Williams marched up to Martina Hingis on
Centre Court yesterday and ripped it from her like a sixth-former picking on a first-year. As Williams danced her
post-match jig of jubilation by the umpire's chair and flirted with the idea of wrapping herself in the Stars and
Stripes, it was impossible not to feel a little sad for her victim: 19 is awfully young to be shown the future,
especially when it does not include you."

What a quote.

I still wish Chucky was in the game.

Cybelle Darkholme
Apr 23rd, 2003, 02:47 AM
Yea, and now you know how it feels to have a favorite that can't win Grand Slams. :)
uh, serena holds all four slams maybe you didn't get the memo. As for venus at least she was runnerup instead of retired.

Apr 23rd, 2003, 05:28 PM
It's quite awesome how Venus fans claim to love Serena on equal terms when Serena is the one winning and Venus is getting her butt kicked. But deep down, it is killing them.


Apr 23rd, 2003, 05:55 PM
It's quite awesome how Venus fans claim to love Serena on equal terms when Serena is the one winning and Venus is getting her butt kicked. But deep down, it is killing them.


Im a Venus fan and of course its a little disappointing however tennis is just a game and it neither kills me and Im sure it doesnt kill Venus.