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ys
Apr 20th, 2003, 07:25 PM
I mean, even without jumping bandwagons..

How good should her return of serve be to be able to win this kind of tournament against this kind of opposition - beating three Top Tenners in row ( even if I never considered Hantuchova to be a Top 10 worth, she has a good serve ) with her crap serve?

BK4ever
Apr 20th, 2003, 07:36 PM
Her return is great, but Davey didnt make it hard...she kept serving out wide or down the middle...no variety whatsoever...

Lets talk about Elena's serve, I will never diss it again...it was so slow that it gave Davey fits...she didnt know what to do with it...

Elena is definitely on to something with that slow serve...and as slow as it is, she places it very well...

ys
Apr 20th, 2003, 07:42 PM
Lets talk about Elena's serve, I will never diss it again...it was so slow that it gave Davey fits...she didnt know what to do with it...

Elena is definitely on to something with that slow serve...and as slow as it is, she places it very well...

I am not sure. This serve is very punishable, but it requires very precise footwork, and while Lindsay still had fresh legs, she was putting it away handily. But once she got tired, and missed a couple of those, she just started to return into the middle of the court without going for winners much. This much was decied by fitness and mental toughness.

Cybelle Darkholme
Apr 20th, 2003, 07:44 PM
demented's game is very nice but her serve does indeed suck. She pulled out a great win and a great run to her first title and so must be congragulated! Go Elena! Titleless no more!

Dava
Apr 20th, 2003, 07:48 PM
Her serve sucks but she makes up for it with her returns definatly. I mean Davenport has a good serve but Dementieva was just swating it away. I mean Davenport did not hold serve once in the third set.

Julian
Apr 20th, 2003, 07:48 PM
Elena returned such wonderful serves! It amazed me, but Pam's right... the harder the better for Elena. And Lena's serve...looked like a serve that some 80's players would do lol But she did give pretty hard serves when she wanted to which puzzled me a bit. At least she was more consistent on that serve today. :)

Playa
Apr 20th, 2003, 07:48 PM
honestely, that's the first time a saw her returning so well
it has to do with the surface, I presume. she won't be able to
return so well on hard court.
also Lindsay's mobility helped her a lot.

CJ07
Apr 20th, 2003, 07:50 PM
Davenport was broken 5 or 6 STRAIGHT TIMES
she never held serve in that 3rd set

Dementieva was just returning out of her mind, and Davenport, while not playing her best tennis was still playing well. Dementieva just ran down everything.

but props to Davenport for not getting too negative
she started to get down on herself, and started making errors, but then she would turn it around

at the end it looked like at the end she just conceded the fact that she was being outplayed and kind of just gave the match to dementieva

it looked she didnt have the energy to produce the tennis that it would take to win

SJW
Apr 20th, 2003, 08:02 PM
girlfriend certainly put forth her case today

i prefer watching her return than serve.....her groundies are brutal

tyk101
Apr 20th, 2003, 08:04 PM
wow.. sounds like us amateurs would have a chance against Dementievas serve!

tyk101
Apr 20th, 2003, 08:05 PM
how slow are we talkin with her serve?!

CJ07
Apr 20th, 2003, 08:06 PM
no, not really
her serve is slow that you have to generate your own pace and have perfect footwork

only Serena, Monica, Jennifer and maybe Venus would have the patience and the footwork to eat it up

CJ07
Apr 20th, 2003, 08:07 PM
how slow are we talkin with her serve?!
thats the funniest thing

she can actually hit some big serves, she had 2 aces
but she can also serve 70 mph first serves and 65 ish mph second serves, but they're so inconsistent you never know which one is coming

like once she had like a 68 MPH first serve, and a 80 mph second serve

TheBoiledEgg
Apr 20th, 2003, 08:07 PM
her returns today were indeed awesome
even when she had to move a bit, her returns got better as match went on.

Leena
Apr 20th, 2003, 08:10 PM
I mean, even without jumping bandwagons..

How good should her return of serve be to be able to win this kind of tournament against this kind of opposition - beating three Top Tenners in row ( even if I never considered Hantuchova to be a Top 10 worth, she has a good serve ) with her crap serve?
Alyona's return was incredible this week... let's not be so fast to proclaim her greatness, since she's never ever come close to playing this well her entire career.

When did Elena learn this powerful backhand?? Every time I've seen her play, it's been a defensive shot... and today... DAMN, winner after winner! And Elena was moving so well!

Yes, Elena's first serve is slow... but she places it decently. Her second serve though, she's got some major mental problems there... she guides it so much.

Whatever though, I'm so happy for Alyona! She deserves her 1st win! Now, KEEP UP THE GREAT PLAY! :bounce:

*JR*
Apr 20th, 2003, 08:13 PM
You know how they talk about a hitter in baseball generating the power on a homerun swing alot from the lower body? Exactly what Elena did with all those inside-out returns. Not easy against Linzi, either. It was AMAZING to watch those bullets from that open stance. (Hey, Leena, I hereby rescind all that "the name Elena now means Bovina" stuff)! :p (For now NEway). ;)

ys
Apr 20th, 2003, 08:20 PM
When did Elena learn this powerful backhand?? Every time I've seen her play, it's been a defensive shot... and today... DAMN, winner after winner! And Elena was moving so well!


Her backhand requires time for preparation. On faster surfaces she doesn't have it and doesn't put as much of power in it. But, just like Henin's backhand, for clay it can work well, because a player has more time there.

Leena
Apr 20th, 2003, 08:23 PM
Her backhand requires time for preparation. On faster surfaces she doesn't have it and doesn't put as much of power in it. But, just like Henin's backhand, for clay it can work well, because a player has more time there.
How come Elena has never had any good results on clay then? :p

(Hey, Leena, I hereby rescind all that "the name Elena now means Bovina" stuff)

As it should be... even I have changed my sig to congratulate Ms. Dementieva. :)

TheBoiledEgg
Apr 20th, 2003, 08:26 PM
both the last two years Alyona got a foot injury
2001 she broke a bone in her foot and missed 5-6 weeks from Charleston and came back at RG

last year she also got a foot injury at Charleston but played through clay season without any decent results until R16 at RG.

SJW
Apr 20th, 2003, 08:30 PM
wow im thinking i should change my avatar for "the other elena" then.....

Leena
Apr 20th, 2003, 08:31 PM
That's right... she did get injured vs. Mauresmo, the year Amelie tore up the clay season... ok, my bad. :)

Actually, she has been good on clay when healthy... almost won Acapulco last year.

Still though... her results this year gave no sign that she would do this.

Tatiana Panova
Apr 20th, 2003, 08:42 PM
I wouldn't say she is one of the best returners - although she is up there. Her great returning (and most of her game) relies on her fanastic athletic ability and strength when off balance.

She has definitely beefed up her backhand. I just think it's better timed than it was before, and also she doesn't hit every single one off an open stance (esp. the cross-courts).

Serve obviously needs work. She should relax that hitting arm more to make it more fluid.

Doc
Apr 20th, 2003, 10:41 PM
Elena D can serve quite hard if she wants to. She got up to 105 mph today. The problem with Elena and serving seemed to develop when she was trying to beef up her 1st serve over a year ago. She got it up above the 100 mph mark, but then started serving a huge number of Double Faults (up to 25 per match!) This is one of the things that took her down the rankings.

If that's getting cured now, she could certainly get back to the Top 10.

DEETHELICK
Apr 20th, 2003, 11:50 PM
Elena's serve is average.

Her 2nd serves are awful, but her 1st serves varied. From 77 MPH to 105 MPH, averaging at about high 80's - mid 90's.

Elena has got power, we all know that, its developing a consistent serve from it.

Return wise, Elena has always been aggressive, but since Paris this year, I've noticed a change in her game. Her BH is much more solid and hit with more power and she is playing more msarter tennis.

Maybe that 0-6 0-6 loss to Amelie woke her up! ;)

Elena's game is very explosive and was erratic, It seems she is harnessing that talent to translate it into a smart offensive game.