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GogoGirl
Apr 19th, 2003, 05:58 PM
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/04/19/1050172799516.html


Dokic keen to represent Australia
April 20 2003
By Danny Weidler




Jelena Dokic


Jelena Dokic wants to play for Australia at the Olympic Games in Athens next year. The troubled star has held talks with officials since she discovered she was not eligible to represent Yugoslavia.

Tennis Australia has told the world No. 11 she would be welcomed back with open arms, two years after she left her adopted country claiming she had been betrayed.

Dokic has also severed her ties with her outspoken father Damir. She is now based in Monaco, while her family is based in Belgrade. It was also reported some weeks ago that she had asked WTA Tour officials to deny her parents accreditation at tournaments.

Asked recently about her relationship with her parents, Dokic said: "Things are fine. They don't travel with me, so it's a little bit different from what it was. But things are fine."

Dokic's desire to compete for Australia is a considerable backflip given that she refused to play here during the past two summers, after claiming that the 2001 Australian Open draw was rigged against her. The Dokic family is on record as saying it has received a raw deal from officials and the media in this country.


It is unclear if she wants to call Australia home, but she definitely wants to play for Australia at the next Olympics. Dokic does not qualify to play for Yugoslavia at the Athens Olympics, but Tennis Australia is confident she can meet the requirements to compete for Australia. She will need to play at least two Fed Cup ties for Australia to qualify, and because of the schedule the events she will need to make a final decision by July.

Tennis director for Tennis Australia, Mike Daws, confirmed that talks had taken place with Dokic's representatives, but said that the matter was not finalised.

"This is a very delicate process," Daws said. "We don't want to say too much at this stage, but I will say that Jelena would be very welcome to come and compete for us. There are no hard feelings at all.

"This is a personal issue for her to decide upon and I really think that she has to advise us. She is still an Australian citizen so that is not an issue at all. The issue is that Jelena has to be happy, but I can say that we would welcome her back with open arms. We'd love her here."

Dokic would not have a problem fitting into a Fed Cup team. Speaking from Budapest yesterday, Alicia Molik said that Australia's players did not have a problem with Dokic

"She keeps to herself," she said. "No one knows too much about her. She does her own thing, but no one has a personal problem with her."

While Damir remains listed in the women's tour handbook as Jelena's coach, the 20-year-old has essentially gone her own way on the court. Damir is known to be particularly upset by his daughter's relationship with the Brazilian car racing driver Enrique Bernoldi.

Last August, Damir threatened to "write Jelena off as a Belgrade citizen - I want her to become a UK citizen". However, Jelena told the Observer this month: "I never said anything about that, so I don't know where you got it from. Neither was I quoted as saying anything about it, which I didn't, so you might have to ask whoever you heard it from."

-Sonic-
Apr 19th, 2003, 06:01 PM
bloody hell....

Messenger
Apr 19th, 2003, 06:01 PM
Jelena just pick one, who cares which, and stick with it.

:)

Lord Chips
Apr 19th, 2003, 06:03 PM
Anyone else expected to find this was a prank when they saw this thread?

Im supprised she wants to play for Oz again. I wonder what the Aussie public make of it

Seles_Beckham
Apr 19th, 2003, 06:04 PM
I don't belive she will leave Serbia, these are just jurnalists things, she left Australia and did't even play in AO for 2 years so i just don't believe she will come back to Australia.

Rtael
Apr 19th, 2003, 06:04 PM
lol, I thought it was a joke too David =P

Rtael
Apr 19th, 2003, 06:04 PM
Especially when the word keen was used...

King Aaron
Apr 19th, 2003, 06:04 PM
Hopefully this will slowly lead to Jelena playing in Australia again. :)
It's nice to see that the Aussie players are not against her.

Messenger
Apr 19th, 2003, 06:06 PM
Well she's in limbo between countries at the moment, and everyone should be able to compete at the Olympics. So if the only country she can represent that enables her to go to the Olympics is Australia then I can see the logic behind it.

SJW
Apr 19th, 2003, 06:07 PM
i think the Australians will realize that Jeca was under the thumb of her father previously

now that they have cut ties i hope the Aussies will forgive and forget and let her start afresh

Chance
Apr 19th, 2003, 06:17 PM
lol I can't keep up with Jelena. Personally I don't care who she represents, I care more about tennis coverage. If jelena does play for Australia then hopefully we can get better tennis coverage.

MLF
Apr 19th, 2003, 07:36 PM
I'm surprised but there is room for her in the team. Australia only really have Molik & Pratt established in the game so Dokic getting a third singles spot wouldn't be too controversial with all due respect to Evie Dominikovic who would be in line for the third slot. Jelena was playing doubles with Rennae Stubbs this week, so who knows what is in the pipeline?

Dava
Apr 19th, 2003, 07:41 PM
I dont know who is worse this girl or Mary Pierce, just pick one god damn country!

vutt
Apr 19th, 2003, 07:54 PM
Well she wants to play at Olympics. Only option she have is to play for AUS.

I'm actually happy that she is slowly starting to make peace with her past, so she will be able to concentrate on tennis again.

last but not least: if you screw up relations with your top tennis player then this is what you get - Yugo tennis federation. Don't mess with Jelena! ;)

WhatTheDeuce
Apr 19th, 2003, 08:18 PM
JELENA!! GO BACK TO THE AUSSIES!!! :hearts:

Mateo Mathieu
Apr 19th, 2003, 08:27 PM
It would be great if she represent Australia again :)

SerenaSlam
Apr 19th, 2003, 09:17 PM
i think she should go skinny dippin in some black oil, and then come out, and bake in the sun a bit, then just go staright to Africa, and ask to represent :)

SJW
Apr 19th, 2003, 09:43 PM
LOLOLOLOLOL@Serena slam

Hulet
Apr 19th, 2003, 09:44 PM
huh? @ Jelena.

Venus Forever
Apr 19th, 2003, 09:50 PM
:eek:

Kart
Apr 19th, 2003, 11:57 PM
:eek: I didn't realise that Jelena wanted to play the Olympics so badly that she was willing to make such a U-turn.

oggie
Apr 20th, 2003, 12:04 AM
I wonder how Pratt or Molik (either girl who ends up not playing for the Olympics because of Jelena's request) will feel about the decision of the Australian Tennis Federation to let a Jelena represent thier country.

King Lindsay
Apr 20th, 2003, 12:10 AM
are you people out of your goddamn mind? She doesn't want to play for australia, she wants to play the Olympics. That's it. that's all. If she could play for Yugoslavia, she would and not even give this a second thought. She just wants to use Australia AGAIN. I hope the australians have enough sense not to sell their soul for two Fed cup ties.

~RedRose~
Apr 20th, 2003, 12:14 AM
Perhaps King Lindsay she truely does wish to play for Australia. I have a feeling that if it was up to Jelena, she may have never changed in the first place.

King Lindsay
Apr 20th, 2003, 12:30 AM
Perhaps King Lindsay she truely does wish to play for Australia. I have a feeling that if it was up to Jelena, she may have never changed in the first place.

If that was true, THEN WHY DOESN'T SHE? Instead, she just wants to play a few Fed Cup ties in order to qualify for the Olympics because she can't play for Yugoslavia.

disposablehero
Apr 20th, 2003, 12:52 AM
Maybe if Monica isn't among the 3 highest ranked Americans next year, she could play in the Olympics for Peru or maybe Bolivia. Nice to know that Australia is suddenly of some use to Dokic again.

~RedRose~
Apr 20th, 2003, 01:02 AM
If that was true, THEN WHY DOESN'T SHE? Instead, she just wants to play a few Fed Cup ties in order to qualify for the Olympics because she can't play for Yugoslavia.

Perhaps, she is a bit cautious of coming back to Australia, she wants to play some Fed cup first and the Olympics. The article does say it is unclear whether or not she wants to return to Australia. I think that if she does play some Fed Cup etc. it will certainly help her in coming back (dealing with the critism etc) if she chooses to.

King Lindsay
Apr 20th, 2003, 01:06 AM
Perhaps, she is a bit cautious of coming back to Australia, she wants to play some Fed cup first and the Olympics. The article does say it is unclear whether or not she wants to return to Australia. I think that if she does play some Fed Cup etc. it will certainly help her in coming back (dealing with the critism etc) if she chooses to.

Yeah, it says it's "unclear" whether she wants to come back because SHE DOES NOT. Listen, Yoshie, I know she's your favorite player, but it's plainly obvious she's just using the Aussies to get the Olympics.

~|Naomi|~
Apr 20th, 2003, 01:09 AM
Well I'm an aussie and when I opened the paper this morning it was the first thing I saw, and personally I think Jelena has always talked highly of her time here and maybe it was her father's overbearing nature that made her leave. I think Tennis Australia and the Australian public would welcome her back, I think the Australian public maybe only had resent towards her for a few days after she made her decision to stop playing under the aussie flag but have never held long term resent for her and if she decided to play for her country would welcome her back. But we will have to wait and see, personally I don't think she will play again for Aus but I hope she will. We will just have to wait and see.....

~RedRose~
Apr 20th, 2003, 01:17 AM
Yes! 2000 Olympics is her fav memory ever.

Car Key Boi
Apr 20th, 2003, 01:25 AM
Yeah, it says it's "unclear" whether she wants to come back because SHE DOES NOT. Listen, Yoshie, I know she's your favorite player, but it's plainly obvious she's just using the Aussies to get the Olympics.

LOLLL, yuo're correct dude - the uber-babe is a user and abuser and she has no intention of moving to Oz

personally, i wouldn't mind being used and abused by her, especially if she dons her Nazi uniform and brings out the whip :drool: :lick:

- Car Key Boi :cool:

Mase
Apr 20th, 2003, 01:30 AM
i think the Australians will realize that Jeca was under the thumb of her father previously

now that they have cut ties i hope the Aussies will forgive and forget and let her start afresh

I completley agree....I think she was severley influeneced by her father and now thats she's cut ties with him, and has grown up, she's making decisons on her own, and thats a good thing.

Kart
Apr 20th, 2003, 01:41 AM
That 'I only did it because my father told me to' excuse is a luxury for Jelena but it's not as if she made it crystal clear that she disagreed with him when all those claims of Oz open draw rigging came out that year (2000 was it ?). This whole story, if true has a sort of Greg Rusedski feel to it IMHO.

What about the players she'll be displacing out of the Olympic team if she does return to play ? If they Australians take her back with open arms then it'll be generous of them to say the least but let's hope they make use of her as well and get her to commit to plenty of Fed Cup, not just enough for her to qualify for Athens.

~ The Leopard ~
Apr 20th, 2003, 02:15 AM
No reason for her to move here; there are lots of ex pats in Monaco. The test will be whether she can get the chip off her shoulder and start playing the season here, etc.

I do actually think the Australian media was too tough on her. Damir has to take a lot of the blame, but that's no excuse for crucifying a teenage kid (which is what she was at the time). I'm sure the public would welcome her back to events here if she acted in a way that went beyond just using her citizenship to play in the Olympics.

croat123
Apr 20th, 2003, 02:17 AM
she won't leave serbia

good for her for servering ties with her father

jd4eva
Apr 20th, 2003, 02:20 AM
Well for me personally, I see it as another step in her progression from an opressed teenager into an adult woman.

She's severed all ties with her family, and especially Damir - the man responsible for a lot of the emotional problems Jelena has suffered. She has a boyfriend she is now engaged to and resides in Monaco. She never vists Belgrade and has hired her own coach. Last year she made it clear to Geoff Pollard that the decision to leave Australia was her father's decision.

She always talks very fondly of her time in Australia and I do think it's another step she is taking to turn her life around and become in charge of her own life.

DutchieGirl
Apr 20th, 2003, 02:23 AM
No reason for her to move here; there are lots of ex pats in Monaco. The test will be whether she can get the chip off her shoulder and start playing the season here, etc.

I do actually think the Australian media was too tough on her. Damir has to take a lot of the blame, but that's no excuse for crucifying a teenage kid (which is what she was at the time). I'm sure the public would welcome her back to events here if she acted in a way that went beyond just using her citizenship to play in the Olympics.

Ahh! There's the rub! IF Jelena wants to really come and play for Australia again, and will play in Australia again, then I say she's welcome back. IF she only wants to play two Fed Cup ties and the Olympics the she can fuck off!

CJ07
Apr 20th, 2003, 02:26 AM
she just wants to play the Olympics

i think its also because she came so close to the Bronze Medal in 2000

martinafan
Apr 20th, 2003, 03:11 AM
I think this just goes to show that it truly was her father that controlled everything jelena did in the past.

Glad to see that after severing her ties with her dad, she goes and gets herself a coach, and now hopes to play for australia again.

I hope that many australians will realise that all the past controversy really was because of her father!

Good Luck with all you do Jelena!

And boy, if jelena does play for australia again, and with alicia playing the way she is right now, and rennae in doubles, australia would have a VERY good team!!!!!

switz
Apr 20th, 2003, 03:11 AM
Yeah, it says it's "unclear" whether she wants to come back because SHE DOES NOT. Listen, Yoshie, I know she's your favorite player, but it's plainly obvious she's just using the Aussies to get the Olympics.

yeah well it is certainly a two a street, because i would be more than happy as an australian if WE used jelena to increase our chances of winning another medal. australian tennis officials should do everything they can to get jelena back because australia needs a glamour girl to raise the sports profile, and jelena certainly fits that bill these days. who cares if this is a long term thing or not, because i know that i would certainly rather dokic, molik and pratt (stubbs for doubles) than evie dominikovic. i mean this girl has always threatened to go and play for croatia so i really don't really hold her in too high regard anyway.

SM
Apr 20th, 2003, 03:43 AM
I agree with martinafan.....my sentiments exactly! :)

lol im always agreeing with dean

King Lindsay
Apr 20th, 2003, 04:29 AM
yeah well it is certainly a two a street, because i would be more than happy as an australian if WE used jelena to increase our chances of winning another medal. australian tennis officials should do everything they can to get jelena back because australia needs a glamour girl to raise the sports profile, and jelena certainly fits that bill these days. who cares if this is a long term thing or not, because i know that i would certainly rather dokic, molik and pratt (stubbs for doubles) than evie dominikovic. i mean this girl has always threatened to go and play for croatia so i really don't really hold her in too high regard anyway.

I agree. The Aussies would get something out of it as well. But like I said, they'd have to sell their soul to do it. if Tennis Australia has any balls at all, they'll tell her to fuck off. But they'll probably agree to it, if in fact she doesn't have a change of heart and still wants to go through with it when she realizes just how much gall this is going to take from her.

Philbo
Apr 20th, 2003, 04:48 AM
"last but not least: if you screw up relations with your top tennis player then this is what you get - Yugo tennis federation. Don't mess with Jelena!"

Its exactly this type of attitude which makes me hesitant to 'welcome back' Jelena, as an aussie with open arms..

It doesnt take much at all to 'screwup relations' with Jelena, the girl is the most high maintenance player Ive seen come along in ages, maybe this was to do with her father controling her, maybe not -- at this late stage the only thing that would really make me cheer for Jelena again would be if she was playing for australia and came clean about her own feelings during the whole 'defection'..

Disposeable and King Lindsay are right, I feel like she is using us and wouldnt put it past her to play for Oz during Athens and then try and represent yugoslavia in the next olympics - which brings up the question why is she not allowed to play for Yugo??? Is it a time thing or is it forver because she has already played for Oz???

Either way Jelena could decide to change countries again if Tennis AUstralia refuses to build a mansion and tennis centre in Hyde Park Sydney for Jelena, or what if she gets a bad draw the next time she plays the Oz open?? Rigged again?? Until she speaks up and separates herself from her fathers actions + opinions Im not gonna be too quick to say Jelena had nothing to do with it, Ive always felt the apple fell pretty close to the tree where Jelena and Damir are concerned on a lot of things.

Swift - Good point about us using Jelena for succes at the Olympics etc but Id rather not sell out to Jelena, I know there are many examples of people becoming Australian just to represent Oz in other sports but I think this is a special case where she snubbed us, and unless she provides some sort of personal explanation, she can go play for Uzbekistan - Id rather Evie Dominikovis or someone who genuinely feels australian get the thrill of being in the aussie team for the opening ceremony etc rather than Jelena.

SM
Apr 20th, 2003, 05:01 AM
Until she speaks up and separates herself from her fathers actions + opinions Im not gonna be too quick to say Jelena had nothing to do with it
i think inferential in the fact her+enrique have distanced themselves from Jelenas whole family (they cant watch her and dont travel with her etc) then that is a seperation from her father and his views.

I cant see many people in Jelena's position go further than this and publicly criticise her dad on specific issues like the defection, the rigged draw at aus open etc. Im sure she has respect for the guy who get her where she is which may be hard for many of us to swallow...i know I would love to see her speak up on all of it ;)

The ITF rules are that if youve played Fed Cup for a country and then defect to another wishing to play for them you must wait 3 years. I think to play for Olympics you need to have represented the country in fed cup. I can understand some cynicism about Jelena's potential change back to Australia and people feeling its for her own gain rather than sheer desire to represent us....but i can sense shes changing and maturing, and hope thats the case! :)

Mateo Mathieu
Apr 20th, 2003, 05:10 AM
And boy, if jelena does play for australia again, and with alicia playing the way she is right now, and rennae in doubles, australia would have a VERY good team!!!!!
I would love to see that team!! :hearts:

~RedRose~
Apr 20th, 2003, 05:13 AM
Either way Jelena could decide to change countries again if Tennis AUstralia refuses to build a mansion and tennis centre in Hyde Park Sydney for Jelena

This is so disrespectful. Jelena was promised land to build a tennis center, not for herself, but for the promotion of young Yugoslavian Teens. Yugoslavia doesnt have its own national Tennis center & Jelena hoped it would promote tennis in Yugoslavia and give young players the chance to make it big. She was only trying to help her country and you go saying that she was demanding too much ....

~RedRose~
Apr 20th, 2003, 05:14 AM
& The Mansion was what Damir wanted, It wasn't Jelena who was mixed witin that story.

Mateo Mathieu
Apr 20th, 2003, 05:16 AM
Yoshie is right about that mansion things

SM
Apr 20th, 2003, 05:23 AM
yeah but there was a detail omitted: she wanted it (mansion/tennis centre) to be built in the best areas of Belgrade! It was very conditional and like a stamp of the Dokic family's sense of worth/pride...when they didnt get exactly what they wanted they declined to build it, and now shes leaving the country after instilling hopes in them

the key question is not whether shes done wrong but whether the seperation from damir will actually mean something...whether the apple actually did fall far from the tree now that shes not his puppet ;)

~RedRose~
Apr 20th, 2003, 05:29 AM
She didnt particularly wanted it in that area ... no one knows what Jelena really wanted, you dont know she wanted that specific area, all we know is that she was promised land to build it on for free, and then she was told she would have to pay for the land herself or something like that. She said she was dissapointed in Yugoslavia for not keeping their promise.

Havok
Apr 20th, 2003, 05:35 AM
i think it would be awesome if Jelena plays for Australia again because this will show that she isn't under the influence of her father and it will show that she really did like Australia, which she had said in other interviews. the only thing she didnt like was the media, and i think if she does go back to Australie, she's gonna have a talk with them maybe. anyways, for all of you people saying that Jelena is just using Australia for the Olympics, why don't you looks at those stupid Williams sisters, who now, all of a sudden, want to play Fed Cup. and why you might ask? because of the OLYMPICS. so don't go bashing Jelena, because obviously she wan't to be a part of the Oympics, there's no doubt about it, but who wouldn't. and she maybe sees this opportunity to make amends with the crap that happened years before, so she's just hitting 2 birds with one stone is she not? anyways, more power to you Jelena in whatever you might choose;)

jd4eva
Apr 20th, 2003, 05:42 AM
http://www.wtaworld.com/showthread.php?threadid=45644&highlight=dokic+australia

"But Pollard said there was no animosity between the pair, who spoke for the first time since her departure at Wimbledon this year.

"The exact words she used to me were her dad's made a decision and she went along with it," Pollard said."

TS
Apr 20th, 2003, 06:15 AM
yeah well it is certainly a two a street, because i would be more than happy as an australian if WE used jelena to increase our chances of winning another medal. australian tennis officials should do everything they can to get jelena back because australia needs a glamour girl to raise the sports profile, and jelena certainly fits that bill these days. who cares if this is a long term thing or not, because i know that i would certainly rather dokic, molik and pratt (stubbs for doubles) than evie dominikovic. i mean this girl has always threatened to go and play for croatia so i really don't really hold her in too high regard anyway.

I agree with the first part of your post, as Im also in two minds about the whole thing. I'd welcome her back, like many would, but I dont like the idea of her using us just so she can play in the Olympics. But hey, this is all just speculation...who know what's going to happen. Jelena is just a confusing girl, and I have a headache thinking about it.

Re the Evie Dominikovic thing...that was 5 years ago when she was 17. It was all blown out of proportion anyway (by her parents, the tennis media), Evie is very happy to be playing for Australia, her birth country. I cant recall her ever threatening to leave apart from that time in 98 (she'd probably find it tougher to make the Croatian team anyway!).

F-R-E-A-K
Apr 20th, 2003, 08:31 AM
This is such a good thing for Australian tennis! Hope you do play for Australia Jelena!

SpikeyAidanm
Apr 20th, 2003, 09:15 AM
It's good, but I hope Jelena will stay one way now and stop switching, btw - come back to the aussie open too!

~RedRose~
Apr 20th, 2003, 02:39 PM
I dont understand the "Jelena always changes Nationalities" thing going on .... I mean she has changed once, it wasnt in her power ..... WOW .... I mean Monica changed too .... so whats the big deal?

DutchieGirl
Apr 20th, 2003, 03:38 PM
I dont understand the "Jelena always changes Nationalities" thing going on .... I mean she has changed once, it wasnt in her power ..... WOW .... I mean Monica changed too .... so whats the big deal?

Twice actually ;) From Yug to Aussie, then to Serbian. Pkus people are also probablt thinking abut her Dad threatening to get asylum in Britain (yes it's her Dad, I know, but other people might see it as something Jelena wanted too).

But the big deal is that she shoved everything TA did for her in their faces by switching nations!

Experimentee
Apr 20th, 2003, 03:40 PM
She obviously just wants to do this because she wants to play the Olympics. Since shes not eligible to play for Yugo, she wants to use Australia again, just like shes used us in the past. I wouldnt be happy with her coming back after what shes done, boycotting the Australian Open, and she probably expects everyone to welcome her back. Of course TA will do that, because all they care about is winning. They'll give her Nicoles spot in the Fed Cup team and Olympics, never mind that Nicole has loyally represented Australia for so many years and plays her heart out for her country, all they care about it winning. Nicole always gets hard done by and i bet if Jelena does come back it'll cost her. :rolleyes:

*JR*
Apr 20th, 2003, 03:54 PM
This is so disrespectful. Jelena was promised land to build a tennis center, not for herself, but for the promotion of young Yugoslavian Teens. Yugoslavia doesnt have its own national Tennis center & Jelena hoped it would promote tennis in Yugoslavia and give young players the chance to make it big. She was only trying to help her country and you go saying that she was demanding too much ....
Yoshi, a Balkans coach told me roughly this months ago: EXCEPT for the Dokic clan, to the other players and coaches the new borders are basically irrelevant. AND, the "tennis people" in the (then YUG - now SMO), CRO, and SLO Fed's would indeed pool their resources for a world class tennis center. BUT, each Fed. is run by political hacks who wouldn't know a Hyper Hammer from a sledgehammer. So more Fed's = more (parasite) political jobs. Sux big time, IMO.

~RedRose~
Apr 21st, 2003, 01:16 AM
YUG doesnt exist anymore, SMO is Serbia Montegro which is Yugoslavia, ....... :rolleyes:

kell
Apr 21st, 2003, 01:57 AM
I wonder how Pratt or Molik (either girl who ends up not playing for the Olympics because of Jelena's request) will feel about the decision of the Australian Tennis Federation to let a Jelena represent thier country.

I think they'd be happy! Pratt especially did all she could to try and convince Jelena to stay. It'd be great for them, because it would mean that she may want to become an Aussie again and play Fed cup, and then the qualtity of our team would take a huge leap :D I think they're both mature enough to know that Jelena would be better than either of them to represent our country (then again, Pratt did chuck a wobbly when she was overlooked for Molik in the Hopman cup...)

But I don't think it's gonna happen....

Car Key Boi
Apr 21st, 2003, 02:03 AM
I think they'd be happy! Pratt especially did all she could to try and convince Jelena to stay. It'd be great for them, because it would mean that she may want to become an Aussie again and play Fed cup, and then the qualtity of our team would take a huge leap :D I think they're both mature enough to know that Jelena would be better than either of them to represent our country (then again, Pratt did chuck a wobbly when she was overlooked for Molik in the Hopman cup...)

But I don't think it's gonna happen....

wow! how very mature of the Aussie players

thanks for the insight :)

DutchieGirl
Apr 21st, 2003, 02:22 AM
I think they'd be happy! Pratt especially did all she could to try and convince Jelena to stay. It'd be great for them, because it would mean that she may want to become an Aussie again and play Fed cup, and then the qualtity of our team would take a huge leap :D I think they're both mature enough to know that Jelena would be better than either of them to represent our country (then again, Pratt did chuck a wobbly when she was overlooked for Molik in the Hopman cup...)

But I don't think it's gonna happen....

That's a joke right? I mean as if anyone would be happy to give up their spot to someone who can't even decide what nationality she is! If she really wants to come back and play for Australia, why does she not change that "YUG" next to her name at WTA tourneys to "AUS"???

Car Key Boi
Apr 21st, 2003, 02:24 AM
wow! how very mature of the Aussie players

thanks for the insight :)

btw Kell, i was tongue-in-cheek when i posted that :p

Philbo
Apr 22nd, 2003, 01:41 AM
They did a poll on australian morning TV and asked if she should be allowed to represent Oz in the olympics and the result was 88% no, 12% yes...seems the aussie public dont forget so quickly...

gokimmmy1884
Apr 22nd, 2003, 01:42 AM
I think Dokic will not go with Australia.

kell
Apr 22nd, 2003, 01:52 AM
btw Kell, i was tongue-in-cheek when i posted that :p

I figured :p

PRATT is immature. I think the others would understand. Look, Jelena's been a pain in the arse to Australia, but I know I'd accept her back coz she's a good player. She's better than what we've got (apologies, Alicia...)

Sam L
Apr 22nd, 2003, 01:56 AM
They did a poll on australian morning TV and asked if she should be allowed to represent Oz in the olympics and the result was 88% no, 12% yes...seems the aussie public dont forget so quickly...
Yes I saw it. It was on "Sunrise" I watch it every morning before I go to work :)

I was surprised by the poll results. But we have to remember that IF she does come back she's not going to receiving any funding as such, will she? I mean she'll just be representing the country right? So I don't see what we have to lose.

jd4eva
Apr 22nd, 2003, 01:59 AM
You're correct Sam L. At least for Australians it will mean the opportunity to watch more womans tennis at Grand Slams. With the constant Hewitt, Phillipoussis, Arthurs etc matches we are forced to watch day after day - I'm sure even a Dokic match would provide great relief for womans tennis fans in Australia.

kell
Apr 22nd, 2003, 02:00 AM
Yes I saw it. It was on "Sunrise" I watch it every morning before I go to work :)

I was surprised by the poll results. But we have to remember that IF she does come back she's not going to receiving any funding as such, will she? I mean she'll just be representing the country right? So I don't see what we have to lose.

I was suprised too. I can't believe that the average Aussie would be so unforgiving, especially considering the glory our country would get if she comes crawling back ;)

Car Key Boi
Apr 22nd, 2003, 02:03 AM
I figured :p

PRATT is immature. I think the others would understand. Look, Jelena's been a pain in the arse to Australia, but I know I'd accept her back coz she's a good player. She's better than what we've got (apologies, Alicia...)

i don't doubt that yuorself and that dipshit Yoshie are in the 12% bracket of that poll that my buddy Czechfan just posted :)

i just don't think the Aussie players would be in a state of delirium at the prospect of getting bumped out of the team

btw, i have serious doubts that it's gonna happen anyway coz there isn't a direct quote from the uber-babe in that article

also, she said some pretty disrespectful things about Oz in a couple of newspaper interviews last year, and it had nothing to do with daddy coz by all accounts he hasn't even traveled with her for about a year - so we'll have to see if there's any troof to her switching

- Car Key Boi

p.s.
what's stopping her representing Yugoslavia/Serbia/Blah at the next Olympics, anyone?

kell
Apr 22nd, 2003, 02:09 AM
i don't doubt that yuorself and that dipshit Yoshie are in the 12% bracket of that poll that my buddy Czechfan just posted :)

i just don't think the Aussie players would be in a state of delirium at the prospect of getting bumped out of the team

btw, i have serious doubts that it's gonna happen anyway coz there isn't a direct quote from the uber-babe in that article

also, she said some pretty disrespectful things about Oz in a couple of newspaper interviews last year, and it had nothing to do with daddy coz by all accounts he hasn't even traveled with her for about a year - so we'll have to see if there's any troof to her switching

- Car Key Boi

p.s.
what's stopping her representing Yugoslavia/Serbia/Blah at the next Olympics, anyone?

I never said they'd be in a state of delirium. It's pointless arguing about it anyway, coz Jelena is not going to play tennis for Australia. If she still stands by her decision to boycott the Aussie Open, why would she wanna play in the Olympics for us?

BTW, yeah I'm in the 12% bracket. Why not? It's be so petty to not want her back. i don't know who "dipshit Yoshie" is, but please don't group me in with him/her just because we have the same opinion on ONE issue. :p

~RedRose~
Apr 22nd, 2003, 03:29 AM
CKB ..... i didnt vote on that bloody poll .... but u really are an idiot.

I dont hav any prob wid Jelena coming bak .... i want her too .... I didnt want her to leave in the first place, so why r u chucking such a skitz at me? ....

I personally think she has been very influenced by her father, that is my opinion. U have urs .... and I dont bag u for that do I? So bloody let it off ..... u r very immature.

Car Key Boi
Apr 22nd, 2003, 03:47 AM
hey dude, i agree, she has been VERY influenced by daddy, including his views on gays blah and why Australia sucks

of course, yuo find that an uncomfortable fact to deal with, so no doubt yuo will form a different opinion to suit

and that's why yuo're a dipshit, i'm more of an uber-babe fan than yuo'll ever be Yoshie, i accept her for all her faults, yuo on the other hand are a fan of something that is in yuor imagination

oh yeah, it means jack that the uber-babe is no longer managed by daddy - this parting of the ways has fuck all to do with tennis, Australia, lesbians, blah - all that happened is that she met a boyfriend and daddy took exception to that

Philbo
Apr 22nd, 2003, 04:33 AM
"oh yeah, it means jack that the uber-babe is no longer managed by daddy - this parting of the ways has fuck all to do with tennis, Australia, lesbians, blah - all that happened is that she met a boyfriend and daddy took exception to that"

My sentiments exactly, good call CKB!!!

SM
Apr 22nd, 2003, 04:35 AM
How representative do you guys think that poll is? Firstly i doubt that many people actually called cos i doubt many cared that much(small sample size??)......and the few that did care were probably the ones who resented her moreso (selective bias).

i very much doubt if i go to ten people on the street that 8.8 would feel that way... :eek:

~RedRose~
Apr 22nd, 2003, 06:09 AM
oh yeah, it means jack that the uber-babe is no longer managed by daddy - this parting of the ways has fuck all to do with tennis, Australia, lesbians, blah - all that happened is that she met a boyfriend and daddy took exception to that

Give me some direct quotes from Jelena that shows her putting down Australia, Lesbains etc??

She never once said anything about Lesbians .... the Nav phobia was all her father (and if u wanna go head and say ur alleged friend heard Jelena say that or wateva) and she has quoted that her time in Australia was great and she said she loved the Australian public.

kell
Apr 23rd, 2003, 12:46 AM
How representative do you guys think that poll is? Firstly i doubt that many people actually called cos i doubt many cared that much(small sample size??)......and the few that did care were probably the ones who resented her moreso (selective bias).

i very much doubt if i go to ten people on the street that 8.8 would feel that way... :eek:

There'll be a poll in the Herald Sun tomorrow. We can see how that one turns out.

I recon that the majority who say they don't want her aren't tennis fans. That makes sense since most Aussies couldn't care less about tennis results. They don't want Jelena coz she screwed us around, but they don't realise how good she could be for Australian tennis. I'll bet if you asked the average Aussie to name three current female Australian players, they couldn't do it!

Car Key Boi
Apr 23rd, 2003, 01:21 AM
Give me some direct quotes from Jelena that shows her putting down Australia, Lesbains etc??

She never once said anything about Lesbians .... the Nav phobia was all her father (and if u wanna go head and say ur alleged friend heard Jelena say that or wateva) and she has quoted that her time in Australia was great and she said she loved the Australian public.

hmm that was no friend of mine

just answer me this question - in yuor previous post yuo stated that the uber-babe is/was influenced by the father and hence the reason for her *coldness* towards the Australian media and governing body

now i agree with this, her whole behavoir has been influenced by daddy, so answer me this, how come yuo don't accept that the father influenced the uber-babe in regard to views about lesbians blah? are yuo telling me that daddy didn't try? coz i refuse to accept that, not with his nature, so tell me how is it that Dokic has been influenced on other matters, but not this one?

- Car Key Boi

Philbo
Apr 23rd, 2003, 01:34 AM
Id like that question answered as well!!!

~RedRose~
Apr 23rd, 2003, 05:44 AM
I doubt her father went to her and gave his views about lesbians ..... most probably the discussion never came up .... they had more important things to handle with ... tennis .... And even so, A father doesnt influence what Jelena thinks ... just what she does. Jelena was only 17 when she left, her father forced her to leave, what was she to do, just go live on her own? She was so young, ppl underestimate that. But I think alot differently than my parents on lots of different things, but if my parents where moving to another country, veen if i didnt want to go I dont have a choice. You have a choice to think what you want, but not always what u do.

~RedRose~
Apr 23rd, 2003, 05:47 AM
Id like that question answered as well!!!

Czechfan, stop acting like this message was the biggest comback ever .... I gave my answer .... the question was stupid in the first place.

If u look, I never said Jelena didnt like Australia or influenced not to like AUS .... She loved it. Even now she says the ppl are lovely. I just said that her father forced her to leave. She was influenced by her father and her culture ... in the means of standing by her father and sticking up for him. Put urselves in Jelena's shoes ..... I doubt u wouldve betrayed ur father at age 17. She even said herself "My father's made a descision and I'm going along with it."

Philbo
Apr 23rd, 2003, 06:03 AM
Yoshie - Sorry mate, but you are too much of a fan of jelena to see how you contradict yourself...

You keep saying on one hand how Damir influenced her (or FORCED) her to to leave australia etc, and on the other hand that he would have had no influence over what she thinks about lesbians etc..

Did Damir force her to make the statement about how disgraceful it was that Martina got center court allocation above her at Eastbourne last year?

You say on one hand regarding leaving Oz - "She was influenced by her father and her culture" -- but on the topic of homosexuality you say-- "I doubt her father went to her and gave his views about lesbians ..... most probably the discussion never came up .... they had more important things to handle with ... tennis .... And even so, A father doesnt influence what Jelena thinks ... just what she does"

yoshie, Jelena's Dad went to the trouble of telling the PRESS that if Jelena was gay he would KILL himself - do you HONESTLY think that if he felt that strongly that he would not come to jelena with his views about lesbianism???? Cmon yoshie, you are too intelligent to really beleive that...

Its as CKB says - he accepts her faults and all, you support a Jelena that is a figment of your imagination...

~RedRose~
Apr 23rd, 2003, 06:15 AM
I dont doubt that Jelena may have those views ... but she never said those things about lesbians, and has said she never wanted to leave in the first place. The reason Jelena's dad said that was because he was asked questions related to the statement he made. I dont think parents influence ur beliefs on those type of issues. Maybe at a young age, but Jelena is old enough to think for herself.

I didnt contradict myself on the fact that I said Jelena never wanted to leave. Obviously she wasnt influenced by her father their. I shouldnt have said influenced in that manner, because i meant that she was forced as in she was influenced to obey her father, even though she didnt follow his beliefs about AUS.

~RedRose~
Apr 23rd, 2003, 06:17 AM
Im not aware that Jelena made a statement saying she was discraced, but either way I know that she didnt metion anything about Martina being a lesbian. She wouldve just said she thought she deserved to play on center court, which she shouldve.

~RedRose~
Apr 23rd, 2003, 06:20 AM
Let me ask you, do u view every issue the same way as your parents, because if u do, it isnt normal.

Yugoslvian culture shows a great respect to the father. It is like The father's way goes. even the mother hasnt a choice.

U being a bitter Jelena hater cannot see that ur views make no sense.

SM
Apr 23rd, 2003, 06:21 AM
some quotes from jelena:
- "its not something I think about alot but i dont think i will be going back there (aus)"
- after losing to rita at 2000 aus open "i didnt feel like i was supported. No onegot behind me and i really felt betrayed, ruined"
- "Its left a sour taste in my mouth an di dont feel i have to give anything back"

as he said yoshie your view on jelena is a bit false if you only see her from the perspective that she was 100% innocent and Damir was central to everything...and im sure some has rubbed off on her

i just hope shes a reformed person after the split witht he family

~RedRose~
Apr 23rd, 2003, 06:25 AM
some other quotes:

"I have nothing against Australia." "the people their were great."
"My Favourite memory was representing my country at the 2000 olympics"

~RedRose~
Apr 23rd, 2003, 06:25 AM
the 3 quotes are the only things Jelena has said bad about Australia, and that article just dug them up. Jelena has said many great things about Australia.

~RedRose~
Apr 23rd, 2003, 06:26 AM
I dont think she was 100% innocent, but cmon people she was only 17. She is still v.young now, only 20. At 17 would you leave your family? No.

Philbo
Apr 23rd, 2003, 08:23 AM
Oh give it up yoshie, Denial aint just a river in Egypt!!!

At first you say that "I doubt her father went to her and gave his views about lesbians ..... most probably the discussion never came up .... they had more important things to handle with ... tennis"

then you say "I dont doubt that Jelena may have those views" - huh, well which one is it???

And how come you are soooo SURE that Jelena only went along with her dad on the issue of leaving Oz, but on the issue of lesbianism you are SURe that she isnt homophobic, doesnt share her fathers views on that etc, but then you say "Yugoslvian culture shows a great respect to the father. It is like The father's way goes. even the mother hasnt a choice"

Im giving you direct examples of your contradictions, all you can do is issue statements like "U being a bitter Jelena hater cannot see that ur views make no sense"

Whatever..... At least I have more than blind loyalty to my fave backing up my arguments....

~RedRose~
Apr 23rd, 2003, 08:35 AM
I said that Jelena might have those views anyway, but i dont think it is a result of her father, as i doubt he showed his hatred towards lesbians that often.
And I said b4, that Jelena didnt agree with her father to leave but was forced to go, because Yugoslavian culture says to respect the father etc.
But it shows Jelena doesnt always have the same views as her father, she didnt agree with leaving australia, she may not agree with his homophobia.

and please note I never said she agreed with wanting to leave australia, ok .... so lay off ....

Imagine u are 17 ..... ur family leaves the country but u want to stay ..... will u stay ...? What if ur culture demands full respect to your father and he said u are to go? ..... so u go .... does this mean you agree with him that lesbians are bad?

jd4eva
Apr 23rd, 2003, 08:52 AM
Czechfan: You obviously cannot distinguish between obeying orders and sharing and agreeing with them. As Jelena has stated, her father made a decision in regards to Australia and she went along with it - not necessarily that she agreed with it. Is it that hard to contemplate that a 17 year old girl would be in disagreement with her father, yet obey his orders? Certainly you aren't that removed from society to be unable to acknowledge that it is common for children to obey parents regardless of whether or not they are in agreement with them. Certainly in Jelena's culture, it would have been widely accepted that she was to follow what her father said - and as we all know, he is most certainly unstable.

Like you said, you don't believe that everything Jelena says is from Damir - so if you are to back up your claim that Jelena is homophobic please provide evidence that she has made homophobic comments - if you are unable to then your comments are baseless and without any merit.

You need to be able to understand that people do things that they don't agree with all the time. Jelena is certainly no exception.

~RedRose~
Apr 23rd, 2003, 08:54 AM
So there!!! :)

Car Key Boi
Apr 23rd, 2003, 12:10 PM
I doubt her father went to her and gave his views about lesbians ..... most probably the discussion never came up .... they had more important things to handle with ... tennis ....

yuo're joking, right? not only would he have done so, but on a regular basis from a very early age

of course, the thing about leaving Oz would have been a one-off thing and i daresay yuo may be right in that she didn't wanna leave Oz cos of her friends and so on

i'm too sleepy to reply to anything else - maybe tomorrow...

~RedRose~
Apr 23rd, 2003, 12:22 PM
well it wasnt until her called martina a dirty old lesbian until we all knew that he was homopobic,and then he didnt metion another word until asked in a press conference. Its not like he is declairing his homophobicness all around the world.
There is a porbability he didnt do this at home either, I mean how often do peoples parents reflect their views on Gay people anyway, It really wouldnt have come up much in Jelenas life when she was younger.

SM
Apr 23rd, 2003, 02:58 PM
yeah yoshie u have a ppoint in that the homophobia might not have rubbed off on jelena at a young age (when most important in development imo), cos judging by the way damir feels towards it im sure he wouldve kept that topic taboo and not discussed it much.

Havok
Apr 23rd, 2003, 03:10 PM
okay now do i have to act like the mediator over here. come on now people this is just getting out of hand. okay let's just put it into perspectives, Jelena left OZ prob under the influence of her dad, but she went along with it so she is partly at fault. okay so now about the lesbian thing i never heard anything that Jelena said that put down gays/lesbians so u can't bring this into play unless you have cold hard facts. now when you look at all the OZ crap that had happened, Jelena was very young and do you actually think that she was at a good age to make a HUGE decision like that?????????? now this isn't completely taking the blame away from Jelena, but i mean when you looked at what she said towards the end of the 2002 season when she wasn't with her dad, she did say good things about OZ so maybe now she realizes she made a mistake. will she make amends, who knows. maybe she'll make amends with them some way else besides tennis. now we don't know that, so stop bickering until we find out her decision! thank you for your time;)

Experimentee
Apr 23rd, 2003, 03:15 PM
Of course the parents views on anything will rub off on their children when they are young. Thats why most racist parents have children who are racist, or most childrens political views will be the same as their parents. You've gotta be naive if you think that parents who feel as strongly about the issues as Damir does wont influence their children at all. Damir and Jelena both support that far right party too, i assume she got her extreme political views from Damir.
Jelena fans are always so quick to say she was influenced by her father in everything and she was totally innocent but if she really has a change of heart now then why doesnt she apologise for what she said. Because she still stands by everything and i bet if she had a choice about what country to play for in the Olympics shed choose Serbia.

jacqueline
Apr 23rd, 2003, 08:13 PM
are you people out of your goddamn mind? She doesn't want to play for australia, she wants to play the Olympics. That's it. that's all. If she could play for Yugoslavia, she would and not even give this a second thought. She just wants to use Australia AGAIN. I hope the australians have enough sense not to sell their soul for two Fed cup ties.

As an Australian citizen I must admit you have totally summed up my opinion of her playing for my country. She has no desire to play for Australia whatsoever, all this is about her ambition for olympic stardom. Regardless of her past with us, she has shown no desire to represent herself here for the last 2 AO's.....if thats not making a statement I don't know what is.
As far as I am concerned this is unacceptable.

Messenger
Apr 23rd, 2003, 08:25 PM
As an Australian citizen I must admit you have totally summed up my opinion of her playing for my country. She has no desire to play for Australia whatsoever, all this is about her ambition for olympic stardom. Regardless of her past with us, she has shown no desire to represent herself here for the last 2 AO's.....if thats not making a statement I don't know what is.
As far as I am concerned this is unacceptable.

Good point. But I'm sure there are many athletes out there that compete mainly for themselves and not necessarily for patriotic reasons.

I can understand where she's coming from, because she can't play for any country other than Australia and let's face it she's an outside medal chance. So what she is likely doing here is quite low, but I understand the reasoning behind it.

the cat
Apr 23rd, 2003, 09:11 PM
I like Jelena Dokic. She is talented and beautiful! But after all the damage and hard feelings Jelena Dokic caused Tennis Australiua, there is no way they should take her back under any conditions! Dokic purposely avoided the Australian Open the last 2 years and never having anything positive to say about Australia is another slap in the facce to Tennis Australia and Australians! :eek: Now all of a sudden 3 months after the 2003 Australian Open she wants to represent Australia again? I say rubbish! :mad: Tennis Australia should turn the page on Jelena Dokic once and for all. It was Jelena's decision to skip the Australian Open the last 2 years. Not her fathers. If Tennis Australia takes back this tennis turncoat then they will been seen as being weak and desperate in the eyes of tennis fans worldwide.

Do you think Jelena's wanting to play for Australia again has anything to do with her not being able to represent Yugoslavia in the 2004 Summer Olympics?

It looks like Tennis Australia is desperate enough to take back a good tennis player who clearly does not love Australia. That much is certain.

Lelu
Apr 23rd, 2003, 09:49 PM
I am not really surprised that Jelena wants to USE Australia for her own purposes. It wouldn't be the first time, would it?

Now, I am really surprised and, I must add, disgusted how spineless Tennis Australia is. Don't they have any pride or self-respect?

If Australia is so desperate for a world-class woman tennis player, why don't they pursue Kim Clijsters who, I am sure, has more love for Australia than Jelena Dokic ever had?

(They probably know that Kim has integrity, a word Dokic never learned, and would not abandon her country even if she married Lleyton and moved to Australia.)

the cat
Apr 24th, 2003, 01:25 AM
Great post Lelu! Especially the point about Kim Clijsters.

Experimentee
Apr 24th, 2003, 03:55 PM
Anyone know the result of the Herald Sun poll? I didnt get it today.

vutt
Apr 24th, 2003, 05:48 PM
Tennis Australia statement re: Jelena Dokic
Wednesday, 23 April, 2003

Statement from Tennis Australia relating to speculation in a Sunday newspaper about Jelena Dokic wishing to represent Australia in the Olympics:

Tennis Australia President Geoff Pollard said:
"Whilst no approach has been received from Jelena Dokic to represent Australia in the next Olympics, Tennis Australia has always maintained that as an Australian citizen, should Jelena wish to resume playing under the Australian flag we would make her welcome.

"Her formative years in tennis were here where she was involved in Tennis Australia's player development program, so we have a fundamental link with her that will always be there. If it turned out we had a role to play in her future then we would unequivocally stand by that responsibility.

"Jelena is one of the world's best players. She is still only 20, and her representation for Australia at Fed Cup, the Olympics and Hopman Cup cannot be faulted.

"Given Jelena is now an adult, if at some point in the future she formally approached Tennis Australia on this matter, we would recognise her Australian citizenship and in a fair-minded way would consider her under the same selection criteria as any other eligible player.

"Tennis Australia would never put any pressure on her to play for Australia. It would be for her to advise us if she is looking to take such a step but at this stage all this is pure speculation," Mr Pollard said.

link:http://www.tennisaustralia.com.au/ta/talatestnews.nsf/WebMainFront30days/2A59023D545DD700CA256D11000A2F37

Car Key Boi
Apr 24th, 2003, 07:18 PM
Tennis Australia statement re: Jelena Dokic
Wednesday, 23 April, 2003

Statement from Tennis Australia relating to speculation in a Sunday newspaper about Jelena Dokic wishing to represent Australia in the Olympics:

Tennis Australia President Geoff Pollard said:
"Whilst no approach has been received from Jelena Dokic to represent Australia in the next Olympics, Tennis Australia has always maintained that as an Australian citizen, should Jelena wish to resume playing under the Australian flag we would make her welcome.

"Her formative years in tennis were here where she was involved in Tennis Australia's player development program, so we have a fundamental link with her that will always be there. If it turned out we had a role to play in her future then we would unequivocally stand by that responsibility.

"Jelena is one of the world's best players. She is still only 20, and her representation for Australia at Fed Cup, the Olympics and Hopman Cup cannot be faulted.

"Given Jelena is now an adult, if at some point in the future she formally approached Tennis Australia on this matter, we would recognise her Australian citizenship and in a fair-minded way would consider her under the same selection criteria as any other eligible player.

"Tennis Australia would never put any pressure on her to play for Australia. It would be for her to advise us if she is looking to take such a step but at this stage all this is pure speculation," Mr Pollard said.

link:http://www.tennisaustralia.com.au/ta/talatestnews.nsf/WebMainFront30days/2A59023D545DD700CA256D11000A2F37

thx for the info!

AUSSIE NEWSPAPERS=OWNED

- Car Key Boi :cool:

Car Key Boi
Apr 24th, 2003, 07:50 PM
yeah yoshie u have a ppoint in that the homophobia might not have rubbed off on jelena at a young age (when most important in development imo), cos judging by the way damir feels towards it im sure he wouldve kept that topic taboo and not discussed it much.

wow!! dude, i'm not surprised at Yoshie cumming out with a remark like that, but yuo surprise me

if we were talking about a father who's from ultra-liberal San Fran CA, who is by nature a quiet and meek kinda dude and who's homophobia is only mild, that's to say he doesn't hate gays as such, he just doesn't like them and is uncomfortable in their company, then YES, such a dude would probably NOT disclose his feelings to his offspring

BUT, we're not talking about a mild mannered dude from San Fran, we're talking about a loud, outspoken ASSHOLE from Eastern Europe (not exactly a liberal part of the world) who isn't afraid to let the world know what he thinks on ANY subject especially lesbians

as Czechfan states, daddy Dokic told the fucking press that he would kill himself if the uber-babe ever became a lesbo - in his eyes, it ISN'T a taboo subject, and there is no doubt that such a forceful, outspoken asshole would hammer his opinions into Jelena from a very early age - and the same applies to her yuonger brother

so...why is the CKB a fan of the uber-babe if this is what he really thinks? the answer is that it's a tragic circumstance that the uber-babe had no control over, and if i was to condemn every single person who i know because they hold some kinda prejudiced view against one group or another, then i don't think i would be on speaking terms with any of my friends or even my family as well as most of this board - EVERYONE has prejudiced views, this is a FTS - it's the degree of those views that makes us different

Car Key Boi