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Volcana
Apr 17th, 2003, 11:27 PM
... if all the majors had allowed Blacks to play her entire career?

WhatTheDeuce
Apr 17th, 2003, 11:28 PM
i cant really say cause i never saw her play...but why is this adressed to monica fans?? :rolleyes:

faboozadoo15
Apr 17th, 2003, 11:31 PM
A LOT MORE, but why is this addressed to monica fans?

raquel
Apr 17th, 2003, 11:32 PM
i cant really say cause i never saw her play...but why is this adressed to monica fans?? :rolleyes:
I think it is because Monica fans argue about how many Slams Mon would have won if she had not been stabbed, so Volcana is saying how many Althea would have won if she'd been allowed to play every Slam. Comparing them because something held them back from winning all that they could have. I think thats what Volcana means :confused:

selesrules
Apr 17th, 2003, 11:33 PM
it's his stupid way of saying that the stabbing does not matter and should be ignored and that you can also say "what if" for althea gibson. In other words, he's worst then Parche and is basically an asshole.

Jarrett
Apr 17th, 2003, 11:33 PM
I agree with the "a lot more" comment. Why is this addressed to Monica fans.

faboozadoo15
Apr 17th, 2003, 11:34 PM
yea, that makes some sense, i guess. i'll just stick to my answer, a lot more. i never saw her play, but if she got to #1 without being able to play all the fans and quit so that she could take a job that would pay her more money, she would have won many.

AjdeNate!
Apr 17th, 2003, 11:34 PM
So is this comparing being black to being almost murdered? I don't see what this has to do with Monica at all......

WhatTheDeuce
Apr 17th, 2003, 11:34 PM
I think it is because Monica fans argue about how many Slams Mon would have won if she had not been stabbed, so Volcana is saying how many Althea would have won if she'd been allowed to play every Slam. Comparing them because something held them back from winning all that they could have. I think thats what Volcana means :confused:
this is what i figured, but its just stupid...

faboozadoo15
Apr 17th, 2003, 11:35 PM
lol... fans=slams from my previous post... don't know how that happened.

WhatTheDeuce
Apr 17th, 2003, 11:35 PM
So is this comparing being black to being almost murdered? I don't see what this has to do with Monica at all......
what a perfect post...seles, u never let me down ;)

oggie
Apr 17th, 2003, 11:37 PM
This is a good question, but it should be addressed to everybody. Why are you asking only Monica fans, Volcana?

CJ07
Apr 18th, 2003, 04:06 AM
i see your point but its not 100% fair as circumstances are different.

but more, yea

disposablehero
Apr 18th, 2003, 04:10 AM
Well, Althea first entered the US Open in 1950 and didn't win it til 1957. Her first trips overseas was 1956, as far as I can tell, producing her first Slam at RG. Could be she didn't have the money to play in Europe. Truthfully, I doubt it would have been much different. She might have gotten to 8 or so.

Rollo
Apr 18th, 2003, 03:53 PM
Well it's funny this is connected somehow to Monica, because Althea was actually HELPED when Mo Connolly, the greatest champ of the early 50s, had her career finished when she was in a horse riding accident in 1954. Mo was only 19 or 20, had won 9 slams and a grand slam already, and was even more dominating than Seles was in the early 90s.

So while Althea was robbed to some extent, she was also "helped". The few times they played Mo thrashed Althea.

The other thing is Althea turned pro in 1958, cutting herself off from winning perhaps another 4 or 5 slams. Of course this helped the next champ Maria Bueno.

The point is most every great champ from the first to the last has gotten good breaks as well as bad.

moby
Apr 18th, 2003, 04:15 PM
great post rollo

i wished they had tapes of "Lil Mo"
I heard she was great
And I've deep respects for any lefthander who plays righthanded

Volcana
Apr 18th, 2003, 05:01 PM
This was very efficient.

The initial post was only one line. Everyone figured out the point pretty quickly. Different viewpoints were expressed. New and lesser known data was given out. And whether people agreed or not, I made my point.

Very good.

TonyP
Apr 18th, 2003, 05:26 PM
Was Althea Gibson actually not allowed to play in some slams because she was black? I have never heard this before.

According to the WTA players directory, she played in all four slams during the 1950s.

Is there any evidence she was every denied entry into any of them?

Rollo
Apr 18th, 2003, 05:57 PM
There is plenty of evidence Tony. It was never given as the "official" reason but racial discrimination in tennis was a fact of life at the time.
It took an open letter by 30s champ Alice Marble to shame the USTA into letting Althea in USTA sponsored events.

There's more info on Althea and the 50s in threads in the Blast From the past Forum.

http://www.wtaworld.com/showthread.php?threadid=38600

WhatTheDeuce
Apr 18th, 2003, 09:07 PM
This was very efficient.

The initial post was only one line. Everyone figured out the point pretty quickly. Different viewpoints were expressed. New and lesser known data was given out. And whether people agreed or not, I made my point.

Very good.
um u made no point at all...so what, maybe she would have won more slams, but it doesnt change anything about monica....are u suggesting that because althea got robbed of slams that monica didnt???...they both did....i just dont see the point to this thread adressing monica fans...

Kart
Apr 19th, 2003, 01:24 AM
This was very efficient.

The initial post was only one line. Everyone figured out the point pretty quickly. Different viewpoints were expressed. New and lesser known data was given out. And whether people agreed or not, I made my point.

Very good.

This was not very efficient.

It was however, very predictable and unnecessary.

Great post as usual Rollo :).