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Dava
Apr 17th, 2003, 07:19 PM
You know the players, the ones who play cracking tennis one week, but fold the next to Jane Doe from Kraplakistan.

And the nominations are...

Leena
Apr 17th, 2003, 07:22 PM
Elena Bovina.

E. Blackadder
Apr 17th, 2003, 07:23 PM
Patty Schnyder

shap_half
Apr 17th, 2003, 07:46 PM
Jelena Dokic!!! God this girl is soooo explosive and just a great talent. She can improve on some of her finese shots but right now she shouldn't be losing so often and she still needs to go and win more events. She's a great player who loses waaay too much to players she could really devestate.

Glenn
Apr 17th, 2003, 07:48 PM
I agree with Rhythmboy, Patty Schnyder is top-5 material if she can play at her best all the time.
Also: Marlene Weingartner, Iroda Tulyaganova and Clarisa Fernandez.

Mirjana Lucic is class too, but she can be very consistent, she's just suffering from weight problems.

SJW
Apr 17th, 2003, 07:48 PM
Jeca Dokic :rolleyes:

that girl always stresses me out :rolleyes:

shap_half
Apr 17th, 2003, 07:52 PM
I agree with Rhythmboy, Patty Schnyder is top-5 material if she can play at her best all the time.


ain't this true for a WHOLE lot of people but Jelena Dokic is just giving me grief everytime I see her play and end up losing. She's really not capitalizing on her power and talents. What a waste; if I had her talent I would be so motivated to kick ass!

Jakeev
Apr 17th, 2003, 08:01 PM
I have to agree with Elena Bovina. She gave a lot of top players fits in three set matches in 2002, but has not matched those same results so far in 2003.

She is beginning to lose to players perhaps she should not be losing too. Sounds like confidence is the issue in Elena's game right now or perhaps even a lack of focus.

SJW
Apr 17th, 2003, 08:05 PM
Leena is just a slow developer but when she does finally get to her true potential imagine the damage she will do (shes top 15 already and shes no where near it!)

i just think weve seen what Jeca can do, yet she loses week after week real bad

Glenn
Apr 17th, 2003, 08:08 PM
ain't this true for a WHOLE lot of people but Jelena Dokic is just giving me grief everytime I see her play and end up losing. She's really not capitalizing on her power and talents. What a waste; if I had her talent I would be so motivated to kick ass!

"a WHOLE lot of people" don't fit in the top 5 now do they? ;)

kodeRED
Apr 17th, 2003, 08:32 PM
hello guys itz godda b elena Dementieva!!!
she has so much talent and beauty and yet her inconsistency has plagued her to a rank in the 20's!!!
she will bounce back rest assured!

Leena
Apr 17th, 2003, 08:32 PM
I'm Leena. Bovina is Lena. :p

I have to agree with Elena Bovina. She gave a lot of top players fits in three set matches in 2002, but has not matched those same results so far in 2003.

She's actually fared better against top players in '03... wins over Myskina, Smashnova. The only loss to someone ranked higher than her was against Davenport. The problem is... she's not getting far enough to reach the higher ranked players. :p

She is beginning to lose to players perhaps she should not be losing too. Sounds like confidence is the issue in Elena's game right now or perhaps even a lack of focus.

You're completely off on the focus part... I'd argue that Lena is the most intense player on tour.

About confidence? From what Lena says in her interviews, it seems like the only way she thinks she can win is by outhitting people, and playing aggressive tennis. That certainly shows in her play... and by only playing like that, that's what leads to inconsistent results.

She has the net game, she has the ability to win matches by not going for lines every point... but she doesn't change anything. I don't know if that's a lack of confidence in her game... but whatever it is, she needs to stop it, because she is too damn talented to be getting these pathetic results.

WhatTheDeuce
Apr 17th, 2003, 08:34 PM
Anna Kournikova
Elena Dementieva
Elena Bovina
Jelena Dokic

JCAP
Apr 17th, 2003, 08:54 PM
Jelena Dokic

¤CharlDa¤
Apr 17th, 2003, 09:14 PM
Elena Demeniteva and Daniela Hantuchova!

tennisIlove09
Apr 17th, 2003, 09:31 PM
Elena Bovina
Patty Schnyder
Maggie Maleeva

fammmmedspin
Apr 17th, 2003, 09:33 PM
Her name is PATTY.
Elena B and Iroda are obviously cadets for the same category but they have not got such an impressive set of scalps on their trophy wall (all but 2 of the number 1s since Navratilova, 10 GS winners and still counting..)
I would add one more future aspirant to this title - Miss Francesca Sciavone - Kos top players at the Hopman cup where it doesn't count, building up a record as a fighter, hits balls to places only Patty explores otherwise, gives Kim and Serena really tough matches but can lose to players who Jelena would not even bother to diss.

vs1
Apr 17th, 2003, 09:36 PM
My vote would be for Elena Bovina. I think that she is ultra talented, but she has these streaky streaks! It's frustrating, but patience is part of being a fan. I think that she'll get there.

I would also say Chanda Rubin. She's been doing very well this past year, but I think that she's more talented then her results sometimes show. And she'll have some great wins one week and then lose in the 1st round another week.

At the end of the day, we're all humans, not machines. Inconsistency and momentum shifts are part of life. Some are more prone to it than others, but it happens to the best of us. Even Serena. ;)

UDiTY
Apr 17th, 2003, 09:42 PM
[QUOTE='fammmmedspin']Her name is PATTY.
(all but 2 of the number 1s since Navratilova, 10 GS winners and still counting..)


She's beaten Steffi, Lindsay, jennifer, ASV, Serena...but not Monica, Venus, or Martina. Has she?
:confused:

fammmmedspin
Apr 17th, 2003, 10:03 PM
SeReNeVeNuS asked "She's beaten Steffi, Lindsay, jennifer, ASV, Serena...but not Monica, Venus, or Martina. Has she?"

I looked at the Patty H to Hs on http://www.tenniscorner.net they show a win over Martina H. My eyesight is awful but I think Venus and Monica were her only 2 missing No 1 scalps. I meant "after, but not including, Martina N" as Martina N isn't on their H to H list - Patty and Martina N might have met on one of Martina's resurrections but I would be surprised.

Chris_Martin's_woman
Apr 17th, 2003, 10:09 PM
Definately Jelena Dokic......

Berlin_Calling
Apr 17th, 2003, 10:48 PM
Mirjana Lucic among others

Gowza
Apr 17th, 2003, 10:59 PM
stevenson, hantuchova, tulyaganova, krasnoroutskaya, petrova, vakulenko.

Pamela Shriver
Apr 17th, 2003, 11:00 PM
Me.

potty
Apr 17th, 2003, 11:11 PM
I think One of the biggest of all time with this type of results has to be Mary Pierce, remember 2000?? Wins Hilton Head without breaking sweat, loses to a nobody in Madrid then bounces straight back and claims the FO!! Talk about up and down results!!

WhatTheDeuce
Apr 17th, 2003, 11:45 PM
Me.
LOL :)

DEETHELICK
Apr 17th, 2003, 11:49 PM
I'd say Elena D

She reached a GS SF, won the Silver medal at the Olympics, but it has been so up and down since May 2001.

This girl is blessed with natural talent in the shape of power, height and speed, its amazing to see how much her inconsistency is holding her back.

IMO she is a real Top 5 candidate, and not just beacuse I'm bias....honestly!!

Navratilova
Apr 17th, 2003, 11:54 PM
Anna Kournikova

coolio
Apr 18th, 2003, 12:01 AM
Baring TOP 12............
Dokic is consistent enough to stay there,
she is just out of form "right now"
but baring TOP 12, it's gotta be Dementieva,
her inconsistency surpasses Anna K,
when she came back from 3 match points
again Lindsay in WTA Champ,
which i still remembered,
i thought she was gonna do something great,
then the following year she cant
a single TOP 10 players except Hingis in Moscow
and he nemesis Roeche......what the hell is that...
:rolleyes:

Havok
Apr 18th, 2003, 12:15 AM
well i would put Jelena Dokic up there coz she's the most talented, but she isn't that inconsisten. she just hasn't found her form yet, and she's stuck in a mini rutt now. baring that in mind, i would say Mary Pierce coz she is a BIG challenger, but loses way too often

auntie janie
Apr 18th, 2003, 01:35 AM
Of all those named, definitely Patty takes the cake! You never know with her, will she beat some top players and win the whole shebang, or will she lose to a local Wild Card in round 1? :eek:

~ The Leopard ~
Apr 18th, 2003, 01:38 AM
I'd think of Alexandra Stevenson, Elena Demetieva, and Anna K.

coolio
Apr 18th, 2003, 01:50 AM
Bovina: loss agains outside TOP 30 since she made TOP 20
Barabanschikova, Krasnoroutskaya, Tulyaganova
actually Olga Barabanschikova is not that bad,
she beat Cochita Martinez in the previous round,
and Lina K is talented of course,
Tulyaganova is former TOP 20

Dokic: loss last yr after making TOP 10,
Venus, Serena, Schnyder, Kremer, Pistolesi, Clijster,
Myskina, Farina Elia, Hantuchova, Capriati, Bedanova
Davenport, Rubin, Bovina, Shaughnessy, Coetzer
Stevenson, Panova

this yr
Raymond, Daniilidou, Sugiyama, Shaughnessy,
Rittner, Clijster, Saurez

yes, her loss is no shame at all,
however, the problem is, the most likely to be upset TOP 10 player
is Dokic, and she sometimes just got beat,
not that she is inconsistent, it's just that
the players who play her have more desire to upset
when playing her, than they do against Hantuchova/Rubin etc....

coolio
Apr 18th, 2003, 01:56 AM
but Elena Dementieva and Patty Schnyder
are probably 2 of the most inconsistent
players so far.............

of course not to mention
Iva Majoli who just bombed after
the year she won French Open...:)

UDiTY
Apr 18th, 2003, 02:36 AM
SeReNeVeNuS asked "She's beaten Steffi, Lindsay, jennifer, ASV, Serena...but not Monica, Venus, or Martina. Has she?"

I looked at the Patty H to Hs on http://www.tenniscorner.net they show a win over Martina H. My eyesight is awful but I think Venus and Monica were her only 2 missing No 1 scalps. I meant "after, but not including, Martina N" as Martina N isn't on their H to H list - Patty and Martina N might have met on one of Martina's resurrections but I would be surprised.


Oops...I went to http://home17.inet.tele.dk/wta/, and it missed the '98 Munich withdraw by Martina, I guess thats a win. :p It's weird cuz this site I thought always thought included withdrawals. I stand corrected.... :cool:

GoGoMaggie
Apr 18th, 2003, 04:28 AM
I don't know what "talent" really is. So I see the question "who's got a big game but is inconsistent with their results?".
Then I don't think Jelena has such a great game to be put up there. I don't recall anything bit she has done in her career. Neither Bovina. Patty definitely gets my votes given she comes up with huge wins on a very inconsistent basis. Chander is llike that too. But Chandler seems playing very consistent so far this year.

coolio
Apr 18th, 2003, 05:13 AM
I don't know what "talent" really is. So I see the question "who's got a big game but is inconsistent with their results?".
Then I don't think Jelena has such a great game to be put up there. I don't recall anything bit she has done in her career. Neither Bovina. Patty definitely gets my votes given she comes up with huge wins on a very inconsistent basis. Chander is llike that too. But Chandler seems playing very consistent so far this year.
Jelena took Hingis out in Wimbies in straight sets,
at Martina's prime, let i remind u......
(yeah i know, Melanie wasnt there, but still...)
and she did quite well on fast surfaces i tell ya,
hit or miss......:)....and when she is on, she is on....:)

Bovina though, i dont remember anything about her,
before her QF run at US Open, her name comes up sometimes,
but i dont recall any big wins or run,

LucasArg
Apr 18th, 2003, 07:02 AM
Jelena Dokic.

JackFrost
Apr 18th, 2003, 07:18 AM
Marlene Weingärtner ;)

per4ever
Apr 18th, 2003, 07:27 AM
Patty, Anna K and Daniela H

SpikeyAidanm
Apr 18th, 2003, 07:49 AM
hmm. I say Dementieva, Dokic and Safina

TatiAnnahølic
Apr 18th, 2003, 07:51 AM
anna, patty, jelena, elena d & b, olga...

switz
Apr 18th, 2003, 09:13 AM
[QUOTE='coolio']Jelena took Hingis out in Wimbies in straight sets,
at Martina's prime, let i remind u......
(yeah i know, Melanie wasnt there, but still...)
and she did quite well on fast surfaces i tell ya,
hit or miss......:)....and when she is on, she is on....:)

that "(yeah i know, Melanie wasnt there, but still...)" is a pretty big thing just to throw off as if it was not important. hingis played awfully in that tournament and just mentally did not want to be there after the french open debacle. jelena played really well, but i think that any player with a decent grass court game would have given martina a hiding that year, as she basically tanked the match. i can think off other things jelena has achieved that were bigger than that eg winning rome (crushing venus although injured) and moscow.

patty is the hands down winner in my and many other people's opinion judging by this thread. but that is just the way patty plays. i will be surprised if we ever see patty consistanty playing to the level that her ability warrants. if she could though i think it would be really good for womens tennis to have a player like her challenging all the time, because she just brings that other side of the game which IMO we don't get to see enough off (basically because the girls who play like patty haven't been able to get to top - except maybe for martina - and thus we don't see them often on tv etc.

croat123
Apr 18th, 2003, 12:30 PM
iva majoli :sad:

SerialKiller#69
Apr 18th, 2003, 12:40 PM
Anna K
Jelena Dokic
Patty Schnyder

auntie janie
Apr 18th, 2003, 12:46 PM
Although everyone named in these posts can be described as inconsistent in one way or another, and as talented at one level or another. But it is the combination of great talent with inconsistency that makes Patty the obvious choice according to the thread title.
Why not the others, then?

Dementieva -- she IS, actually, pretty consistent. She USUALLY beats players ranked below her aside from Roesch :eek: and usually loses to those ranked above her.

Dokic -- her season is also fairly consistent so far. Over the span of her career, yes, she has sometimes perfomed very, very well, but never looked really brilliantly talented, though she does know how to win.

Kournikova -- definitely talented, but again, her results have been fairly consistent for the past year or two, since, even in her good patches, unlike Patty, she has not been beating top players. Viewing her whole career, in the first half of it she was consistently very good; the second half has looked more like a steady decline than a wild inconsistency.

Bovina -- really hasn't shown enough greatness (beating the elite players) to make her down spells seem that dramatic. Time will tell how talented she is; too early to say as she is still working out the kinks in her game.

Stevenson -- yes, she is inconsistent and has definite flashes of talent, but not enough of either to top the list.

Safina -- way to early to say

Rubin -- Not consistently GREAT, maybe, but definitely consistently VERY GOOD, enough to get her back to the top level less than a year after returning from serious surgery.

I am curious to hear what everyone thinks of these points! :wavey:

c2
Apr 18th, 2003, 01:15 PM
LOL!! Kraplakistan... hehehehe :D

Messenger
Apr 18th, 2003, 01:19 PM
Inconsistent = Mary Pierce
Talented = Mary Pierce

Although sometimes she stops the inconsistency by just playing bad all the time.

c2
Apr 18th, 2003, 01:21 PM
Excellent points Janie. I was going to say Schynder #1 just cause I had a feeling but you back it up with facts :)

SerialKiller#69
Apr 18th, 2003, 01:26 PM
Although everyone named in these posts can be described as inconsistent in one way or another, and as talented at one level or another. But it is the combination of great talent with inconsistency that makes Patty the obvious choice according to the thread title.
Why not the others, then?

Dementieva -- she IS, actually, pretty consistent. She USUALLY beats players ranked below her aside from Roesch :eek: and usually loses to those ranked above her.

Dokic -- her season is also fairly consistent so far. Over the span of her career, yes, she has sometimes perfomed very, very well, but never looked really brilliantly talented, though she does know how to win.

Kournikova -- definitely talented, but again, her results have been fairly consistent for the past year or two, since, even in her good patches, unlike Patty, she has not been beating top players. Viewing her whole career, in the first half of it she was consistently very good; the second half has looked more like a steady decline than a wild inconsistency.

Bovina -- really hasn't shown enough greatness (beating the elite players) to make her down spells seem that dramatic. Time will tell how talented she is; too early to say as she is still working out the kinks in her game.

Stevenson -- yes, she is inconsistent and has definite flashes of talent, but not enough of either to top the list.

Safina -- way to early to say

Rubin -- Not consistently GREAT, maybe, but definitely consistently VERY GOOD, enough to get her back to the top level less than a year after returning from serious surgery.

I am curious to hear what everyone thinks of these points! :wavey:

i agree with your opinion about kournikova. she's been playing consistently bad and even worse. talentwise she's up there but the ability to transform it into real results is lacking nowadays for her. with a serve like that i'm confident she won't be going anywhere but down.

Tennisfan-Mtl
Apr 18th, 2003, 01:31 PM
Patty and Marlene, unfortunately :(

Becool
Apr 18th, 2003, 03:44 PM
Iroda - definitely! She had a great year of 2001, and everyone thought she would stay a long time on the top 20, but unfortunely, the injuries started to come. But Iroda can still show a bit of talent in some of her matches! Let's hope they start to come more often!

Another names : Alexandra, Anna, Olga, Mary, Marta Marrero, Likhovtseva and the list goes on ;)


Just decided to comment on Iroda, cause people are forgetting her.. :( She's a great player and a talented one! She was on the list of a few players who have defeated both Justine and Kim on the year 2001 :D See? DAVAI IRODA!!! COMEBACK BETTER THAN EVER!

coolio
Apr 18th, 2003, 03:46 PM
Although everyone named in these posts can be described as inconsistent in one way or another, and as talented at one level or another. But it is the combination of great talent with inconsistency that makes Patty the obvious choice according to the thread title.
Why not the others, then?

Dementieva -- she IS, actually, pretty consistent. She USUALLY beats players ranked below her aside from Roesch :eek: and usually loses to those ranked above her.

Dokic -- her season is also fairly consistent so far. Over the span of her career, yes, she has sometimes perfomed very, very well, but never looked really brilliantly talented, though she does know how to win.

Kournikova -- definitely talented, but again, her results have been fairly consistent for the past year or two, since, even in her good patches, unlike Patty, she has not been beating top players. Viewing her whole career, in the first half of it she was consistently very good; the second half has looked more like a steady decline than a wild inconsistency.

Bovina -- really hasn't shown enough greatness (beating the elite players) to make her down spells seem that dramatic. Time will tell how talented she is; too early to say as she is still working out the kinks in her game.

Stevenson -- yes, she is inconsistent and has definite flashes of talent, but not enough of either to top the list.

Safina -- way to early to say

Rubin -- Not consistently GREAT, maybe, but definitely consistently VERY GOOD, enough to get her back to the top level less than a year after returning from serious surgery.

I am curious to hear what everyone thinks of these points! :wavey:
yup, but with Dementieva losing to Roeche 3 times in a row,
i call that inconsistent, plus she has lost to Asagoe and Pratt this yr,
i dont know how she can do this week in and out.......

but yeah, Patty hands down........
but i think she is kinda different though,
she is the shot maker, so she plays by "feel",
and she is quite emotional with everything that she went thru,
as u can see, she had a streak in Zurich, and Charleston
last yr, even though losing to Iva in the end coz she tanked,
but who else have you seen beating 3 TOP 10 players,
all these players are no Dokic or Hantuchova, the off form ones

and who would actually believe that she lost to
Anna Pistolesi the week before that,
and last yr she lost to qualifier 3 times after her Charleston run,
what the hack is that.........QUALIFIERs..........



also, i have posted before, Iva Majoli, another extreme
inconsistent player so far.........
maybe she was plagued by injuries, but after Charleston,
she pretty much bombed, oh well.....
i guess she is old too, she's 25 already......:)
geez, she's gotta the most inconsistent Slam winner so far,
French Open Winner.......it's funny just to think about it...... :rolleyes:

TonyP
Apr 18th, 2003, 04:15 PM
There are lots of candidates, Dokic and Patty Schnyder being the two most prominent current players.

But I would say over the course of her career, Mary Pierce wins by a mile. When having a great day, or a great week, Mary could beat the very best, Graf, Hingis, etc.

Trouble is, a great week for Mary appears to occur once every two to four years. I like Mary as a person and I know, injuries have plagued her her entire career, but a player who wins the AO in '95 and wins the French in 2000 and essentially, only has one other good run in between, getting to the AO finals in '97, is fairly inconsistant.

Mary is a prime example of what makes the ranking system so important and what makes the number one ranking so hard to attain and even harder to hold on to. You can have a great two weeks and win a slam, as Iva Majoli did. But getting to the top of the rankings heap takes good play for a lot longer than two weeks.

Experimentee
Apr 18th, 2003, 04:34 PM
Alex Stevenson and Elena Bovina