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shap_half
Apr 17th, 2003, 02:40 PM
I love the Williams sisters. I think they are tremendous athletes and they play their game really well. I think the best thing about them is probably their mental game, but I've got to ask, does everyone expect them to win every GS title until they retire? It seems that way, a lot of the posters just write off the Belgians, Davenport, Mauresmo, Capriati because they expect the Williams sisters to kinda just win these titles. I mean I will not deny the fact that they are capable of winning all of them but I wouldn't count off everyone else.

SJW
Apr 17th, 2003, 02:44 PM
expect.....nope not at all
hope? anything for Serena :)

but at the moment, they are still a few levels above everyone else, and Serena is a few levels above Venus

servenrichie
Apr 17th, 2003, 02:50 PM
Now that is a hypocritical thread from you sharp_half, when their fans have spent the last 2 days defending them from the insults you have been hauling at them. If what you understood was that they expected to win all GS, then that is really good. Ambitious people aim for the skies....
And yes we expect them to win, we want them to win, we hope they win... welcome to real life :rolleyes:

shap_half
Apr 17th, 2003, 02:54 PM
Now that is a hypocritical thread from you sharp_half, when their fans have spent the last 2 days defending them from the insults you have been hauling at them. If what you understood was that they expected to win all GS, then that is really good. Ambitious people aim for the skies....
And yes we expect them to win, we want them to win, we hope they win... welcome to real life :rolleyes:

i have not been insulting them. i have never denied them of their talent or their grip on the wta. i ask this question because a lot of people are writing of the chances of other players to win the big titles until they retire. i don't see how that is hypocritical. it's funny how people are so determined to point fingers when they have no clue what they are talking about. just because i find other atheletes to be just as capable of defeating the sisters doesn't mean i have completely neglected the sisters' own abilities.

BK4ever
Apr 17th, 2003, 02:56 PM
:rolleyes:

Another thread about the "Sisters" from a non-fan...

Shit, as much as all you non-fans obsess about the sisters...you might as well "come out the closet" LOL

shap_half
Apr 17th, 2003, 02:58 PM
omg, i never said i wasn't a fan. i like everyone. just because i like them doesn't mean i'm expecting them to win everything. and there are otehr players i like more than others. goodness not everything is a straight line in life. get over it

Experimentee
Apr 17th, 2003, 02:59 PM
Theres so many Williams haters who pretend they like them...its really quite sad.

maccardel
Apr 17th, 2003, 02:59 PM
I hope they win everything in sight same as anyone else's fans....How do you factor in if you also have other favs such as Chand and Alex and Amelie?...hmmmmmm

servenrichie
Apr 17th, 2003, 03:02 PM
shap_half wrote:

if the williams sisters are so gifted with the talent to produce variety in their game - and not just variety but well done varied skills - then how come they've never used them? and don't give me they never needed to because each have lost to another player (shaughnessy and henin-hardenne). i mean if their normal hard hitting and over powering tactics weren't working then isn't it just common sense to change their game to prevent themselves from losing? i mean if these arsenal of skills are available to them why not use them at time of danger?

someone explain to me why they've never shown these skills if they have them?
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You've said it all. It is not part of the Williams sisters game to include more finese shots because they do not have them. What kind of fool who has the ability to choose other shots to make themselves less predictable and vulnerable doesn't use them at a time of danger unless they don't have them!?!?!? If it's their game plan to use the bang and hit strategy eventhough it's not working while there are alternative shots available to them that they are also good at, then it's either their stupid and lucky or everyone else has not caught up that they will not change what they are doing.
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What i hate most is people with ver short memories. The above post is sample of you never "dening they had talent".... :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

shap_half
Apr 17th, 2003, 03:03 PM
i think it's sadder that there are people who expect that if others like A they immediately don't like B. :rolleyes:

servenrichie
Apr 17th, 2003, 03:05 PM
No sad is your pretence and stupidity!

shap_half
Apr 17th, 2003, 03:06 PM
shap_half wrote:

if the williams sisters are so gifted with the talent to produce variety in their game - and not just variety but well done varied skills - then how come they've never used them? and don't give me they never needed to because each have lost to another player (shaughnessy and henin-hardenne). i mean if their normal hard hitting and over powering tactics weren't working then isn't it just common sense to change their game to prevent themselves from losing? i mean if these arsenal of skills are available to them why not use them at time of danger?

someone explain to me why they've never shown these skills if they have them?
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You've said it all. It is not part of the Williams sisters game to include more finese shots because they do not have them. What kind of fool who has the ability to choose other shots to make themselves less predictable and vulnerable doesn't use them at a time of danger unless they don't have them!?!?!? If it's their game plan to use the bang and hit strategy eventhough it's not working while there are alternative shots available to them that they are also good at, then it's either their stupid and lucky or everyone else has not caught up that they will not change what they are doing.
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What i hate most is people with ver short memories. The above post is sample of you never "dening they had talent".... :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

when did i ever say here they aren't talented. most of this are inquiries. i think if you want to catch me saying the sisters are talented you're going to need to do a better job. yes please exlpain to me how this "evidence" shows i don't like the sisters or that i think they aren't talented enough to win grand slam titles. this was part of thread between justine and the sisters. just because i feel justine is more talented in some aspects of the game than the sisters does not mean i
a) don't like serena or venus and
b) don't think they are talented.

get over it

BK4ever
Apr 17th, 2003, 03:06 PM
i think it's sadder that there are people who expect that if others like A they immediately don't like B. :rolleyes:

I think its sadder that you can't admit what you wrote...or maybe you didnt really comprehend your own words :rolleyes:

If it makes you feel any better, I believe you when you say you like them...

shap_half
Apr 17th, 2003, 03:08 PM
No sad is your pretence and stupidity!
my pretence and stupidity??!!? this is a good one really. the best i've been called. let's quit calling people words we don't understand. i've never dropped down to call anyone here anything rude or inappropriate so quite while you THINK you're ahead

servenrichie
Apr 17th, 2003, 03:09 PM
Yea right or else somebody composed his above rubbish for him. LOL, the boy doesnt even understand what he wrote.
The things you meet here...

BK4ever
Apr 17th, 2003, 03:11 PM
I'm out...this thread will turn out just like all the others before it...

Same SHIT different DAY...LOL

shap_half
Apr 17th, 2003, 03:12 PM
I think its sadder that you can't admit what you wrote...or maybe you didnt really comprehend your own words :rolleyes:

If it makes you feel any better, I believe you when you say you like them...

i don't understand why i'm justfying what i said or who i like. clearly it doesn't matter. the underlying difference here is that people are more apt to trying to destroy the whole thread by pointing fingers. wtf cares who i like. i'm asking a question and all of a sudden people are labelling me and acusing me. if i don't like the sisters who cares? and i say i do why are people so bent on proving me wrong?!?!? i think it's sad that people say things that they don't understand and i'm left here to defend myself because people haven't got anything else better to do.

shap_half
Apr 17th, 2003, 03:12 PM
Yea right or else somebody composed his above rubbish for him. LOL, the boy doesnt even understand what he wrote.
The things you meet here...

speaking of things :rolleyes:

Chance
Apr 17th, 2003, 03:13 PM
shap_half, why didn't you ask that same question about Capriati, Dementieva, Clijsters, Dokic,Davenport etc??????????

shap_half
Apr 17th, 2003, 03:22 PM
shap_half, why didn't you ask that same question about Capriati, Dementieva, Clijsters, Dokic,Davenport etc??????????


Ok this is turning out to be something i really didn't expect so anyway. the question i asked was that why do people immediately dismiss other players besides the williams sisters to win the gs titles. i do think they are capable fo it but it seems like people are basing other players' success on the day the sisters retire. this kind of mentality is kinda strange because it's as if no one else will win unless the sisters aren't there.

and if you are referring to the thing up there that someone brought up it's because the question was pertaining to the williams sisters. i do think that other ahtletes should broaden their horizons and make their games more flexible so when they are losing they have something to fall back on. i mean that just seems to be common sense to me. if i like my backhand i will hone my skills but also try to have a more all around game to prevent myself from destruction if my backhand falls apart.

SJW
Apr 17th, 2003, 03:29 PM
i thought it was a really innocent and upfront thread to be honest :confused:

Rae Q.
Apr 17th, 2003, 03:49 PM
expect.....nope not at all
hope? anything for Serena :)

but at the moment, they are still a few levels above everyone else, and Serena is a few levels above Venus

That's exactly how I see it! I hope they win everything and considering that they played 4 straight Slam finals against each other it's really hard to bet against them (no dis to the other players though).

SJW
Apr 17th, 2003, 03:59 PM
LOL hey Rae Q:wavey:

Chance
Apr 17th, 2003, 04:00 PM
SJW- if you read the "justine is more talented than Serena" thread you'll know why we think shap_half
comes across as a fake

So shap_half you "love the Williams sisters"... yeah right like I love Monday mornings.

SJW
Apr 17th, 2003, 04:15 PM
ok ok i admit i didnt read that thread after a while but i think i know what u mean

he just seems like a bloke really passionate about supporting Henin-Hardenne....

shap_half
Apr 17th, 2003, 05:32 PM
ok i do LOVE Justine!! And I do think that she is more talented than the sisters but that doesn't mean I don't like the sisters. i think that they are revolutionaries in the sport. but that doesn't mean i don't like anyone else or that i don't like anyone better than i like them. kids, get it through your heads that i can like more than one player and just because i say something bad about the sisters every now and again doesn't mean i am not a fan of theirs.

SJW
Apr 17th, 2003, 05:41 PM
LOL i hear that

while i say bad things about them pulling out of tourneys and stuff its just cos i love em so much that i get excited to see them play

or when Serena loses ill be mad at her for all of an hour, then mad at myself for getting mad for about a day

servenrichie
Apr 17th, 2003, 06:35 PM
Sharp_half wrote:

ok i do LOVE Justine!! And I do think that she is more talented than the sisters but that doesn't mean I don't like the sisters. i think that they are revolutionaries in the sport. but that doesn't mean i don't like anyone else or that i don't like anyone better than i like them. kids, get it through your heads that i can like more than one player and just because i say something bad about the sisters every now and again doesn't mean i am not a fan of theirs.

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So, now you admit to writing bad things about them, but you have been denying vehemently 2 minutes ago, that you did not write any rubbish about them. Keep proding your brain, you may still get it back... :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

persond
Apr 17th, 2003, 07:11 PM
:) This THREAD is funny as hell


HaHaHaHaHaHaHAAH......aaaahhhHAAH :) :) :) :)

shap_half
Apr 17th, 2003, 07:22 PM
Sharp_half wrote:

ok i do LOVE Justine!! And I do think that she is more talented than the sisters but that doesn't mean I don't like the sisters. i think that they are revolutionaries in the sport. but that doesn't mean i don't like anyone else or that i don't like anyone better than i like them. kids, get it through your heads that i can like more than one player and just because i say something bad about the sisters every now and again doesn't mean i am not a fan of theirs.

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So, now you admit to writing bad things about them, but you have been denying vehemently 2 minutes ago, that you did not write any rubbish about them. Keep proding your brain, you may still get it back... :rolleyes: :rolleyes:


you know what i'm not going to argue a moot point but there is a difference between insulting them and just pointing out what i don't like about them. if think that they are not more talented that justine i don't think i am insulting them because it is a comparison. i have never once said that they were horrible players so just stop it.

CJ07
Apr 17th, 2003, 07:25 PM
as with any domination, they'll likely win 60-75% of the slams they play

but not all of them

Zenith
Apr 17th, 2003, 08:50 PM
To make things short and easy for everyone:

The Williamses have at least a 70% chance of winning the AO and FO.
For the Wimbledon USO, over 90% chance.

:D

leslie
Apr 17th, 2003, 09:09 PM
ok i do LOVE Justine!! And I do think that she is more talented than the sisters but that doesn't mean I don't like the sisters. i think that they are revolutionaries in the sport. but that doesn't mean i don't like anyone else or that i don't like anyone better than i like them. kids, get it through your heads that i can like more than one player and just because i say something bad about the sisters every now and again doesn't mean i am not a fan of theirs.

How is she more talented than the sisters? Please tell me.

servenrichie
Apr 17th, 2003, 09:16 PM
Ah, havent you heard leslie, Justine uses more dropshots and of course that back-hand, that is the definition of talent around here.

Sharp_half, the samples of your posts about them which i copied and posted to help you remember speaks for itself.

leslie
Apr 17th, 2003, 09:23 PM
Ah, havent you heard leslie, Justine uses more dropshots and of course that back-hand, that is the definition of talent around here.

Sharp_half, the samples of your posts about them which i copied and posted to help you remember speaks for itself.

Oh, I see that's her definition of talent. Maybe Justine should use some of that talent and win a GS.

vs1
Apr 17th, 2003, 09:24 PM
Well...to respond to the original topic, I think that Serena and Venus are reliable players to make it into the finals of GS and when they get there, chances of them winning it are very much in their favour. I say it's reliable because they are consistent with their performance in tournaments, especially grand slams. They have demonstrated that in GS that they play, they usually get deep. It's big news when then don't win a match. VERY big news.

With the other players, it's big news WHEN they beat a Williams. When they lose a match, even in a GS, it doesn't get headline status. It's just another "upset." When Venus or Serena lose to anyone else, except to one another, it's headline news. THAT'S the difference here. That's why they are immediately favoured to win GS events.

Let me give you an example. Let's say it's the Quarters of GS. If Serena loses to Maggie Maleeva, then it's HUGE news. If Justine loses to Jennifer Capriati, it gets mentioned, but people don't react to the "upset" the same way as when Serena loses to someone. That in itself speaks volumes about the confidence that most people have in Serena and Venus' performance and talent.

Personally, I hope that Venus or Serena win every single Grand Slam title until they decide to stop playing. I know that the chances of that are extremely unlikely. But I am one of their devoted fans, so of course I am going to support them whole-heartedly. I would think (and hope) that other fans would support their players just as passionately!

May the best player win! ;)

leslie
Apr 17th, 2003, 09:29 PM
Well...to respond to the original topic, I think that Serena and Venus are reliable players to make it into the finals of GS and when they get there, chances of them winning it are very much in their favour. I say it's reliable because they are consistent with their performance in tournaments, especially grand slams. They have demonstrated that in GS that they play, they usually get deep. It's big news when then don't win a match. VERY big news.

With the other players, it's big news WHEN they beat a Williams. When they lose a match, even in a GS, it doesn't get headline status. It's just another "upset." When Venus or Serena lose to anyone else, except to one another, it's headline news. THAT'S the difference here. That's why they are immediately favoured to win GS events.

Let me give you an example. Let's say it's the Quarters of GS. If Serena loses to Maggie Maleeva, then it's HUGE news. If Justine loses to Jennifer Capriati, it gets mentioned, but people don't react to the "upset" the same way as when Serena loses to someone. That in itself speaks volumes about the confidence that most people have in Serena and Venus' performance and talent.

Personally, I hope that Venus or Serena win every single Grand Slam title until they decide to stop playing. I know that the chances of that are extremely unlikely. But I am one of their devoted fans, so of course I am going to support them whole-heartedly. I would think (and hope) that other fans would support their players just as passionately!

May the best player win! ;)

Excellent post. Look at what happened when Justine beat Serena that was really big news. Every paper I pick up I saw the story. Now Justine will become more famous. Your post is so true and the haters can't stand it.

kiwifan
Apr 17th, 2003, 10:11 PM
Oh, I see that's her definition of talent. Maybe Justine should use some of that talent and win a GS. :worship: :worship: :worship:

When Chris E was losing to Martina N. I went into every Slam final believing that Miss Chris was going kick Martina's ass. If you asked me who was going to win them all every year, "Chris", would be the answer.

That's what a fan is supposed to do. :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: Root for their fave(s).

Now I am fortunate enough to be rooting for the "probables" instead of the "possibles".

This is such a stupid thread. :devil: :devil: :devil:

Attack of the Fake Sister Fans (that's SJW, too) :p :p :p

"I love the Williams Sisters but why are they so ..."

Ah sheeeeeeeeedup!!! :devil: :mad: :fiery: :mad: :devil:

"Fake Friends" - Joan Jett and the Blackhearts

WtaTour4Ever
Apr 17th, 2003, 10:44 PM
Without getting in all the whoopla ..... I expect Venus or Serena to take Wimbledon and USOpen , not so sure about the French.

vs1
Apr 18th, 2003, 07:07 AM
I hope Serena is able to defend at RG this year! That would be ultra cool! :cool:

SJW
Apr 18th, 2003, 02:52 PM
Attack of the Fake Sister Fans (that's SJW, too) :p :p :p


dude get a life........

SERIOUSLY

GoGoMaggie
Apr 18th, 2003, 03:40 PM
Ummm... I'm not supposed to take either side here.. but I do think it's a big too harsh the way the starter of this thread has been treated... I did disagree with what he said in his "Justin is more talented than Serena".. but I don't see any hard in saying that..cuz it's just his opinion and he doesn't seem to me to be a hater of the sisters. He sounds a bit pretentious when he repeats "I like the sisters but...", but I believe he doesn't have any negative intention to put down the sisters.. So let's not be so hard on him for god's sake....

regardin the original question, given the wimbledon and the u.s. open are pretty much owned by the sisters, the FO seems to be the only remaining GS wehre the rest of the players have chance to upset them..but it's highly unlikey that both of them will be beaten.. I mean even if another sisters's act is stopped, there is still one of them left.. so the chance that either of the sisters will win is great.

kiwifan
Apr 18th, 2003, 05:41 PM
So if everyone is entitled to their opinion why doesn't my opinion that Glenn has asked his boyfriend to pose as a Serena fan and make passive aggressive comments not fit under your forgiving umbrella of free speech?

No need to respond just my opinion.

"You know, I really like Serena but..."

SerenaSlam
Apr 18th, 2003, 06:05 PM
let me say this to your thread. I for 1 don't write of anyone, but i think we are all brought up very differently. I think the majority of everyone on this board, tend to say about matches with the williams sisters, "anything can happen everyone has a chance attitude"

When I was brought up, when you clearly have someone that can just come up and you know on their game outright kick some ass, no matter what the opponent, i really don't believe in giving their opponent a chance, this is how i was brought up. even though venus/serena are very streaky, this is something everyone on this board relys on, and that is not giving credit to the other opponent, that is discrediting venus/serena, and just saying this is their opponents opporutiny. and now they "have a chance"

I don't give "chances" that is just not my game. And to me, when you have a person making errors, that is not saying their "opponent is good enough to take a set off" that is the player, beating themselves.

Nor do i believe in the theory of "running down every ball and making the mistake, is "beating your opponent" when the imstake happens, that is the players fault. And when it comes to venus/serena most of the time, its such a stupid mistake, that you really can't put it on the player making them make the mistake.

Yes players can get to venus/serena when they start to make errors, but don't you get what that statement is saying? Venus and Serena on their game's give their opponents no chances, and their oppoents only chances now, seem to be if they have errors.

Compared to everyone else on the tour, if linday comes out playing against Jennifer both on their games, I really think lindsay "on" her game, can litterally beat Jennifer like 6-4 7-5. Venus and Serena, that is not the case, when they are "on" their games, Chris Evert made a good point when serena was beating Amelie, "they don't let you play your game" when they are playing very well and complete tennis, they don't let them play their games, the scores or mostly like 6-2 6-1 and they (opponent) can only hope they drop, and make errors.

They are really the only 1's on the tour that you can actually have confidence to write off their opponent knowing, the could come out and just dust them off the court. this is why

SJW
Apr 19th, 2003, 01:21 PM
So if everyone is entitled to their opinion why doesn't my opinion that Glenn has asked his boyfriend to pose as a Serena fan and make passive aggressive comments not fit under your forgiving umbrella of free speech?

No need to respond just my opinion.

"You know, I really like Serena but..."

:)

ok find a post where i make passive aggressive comments about Serena

then u can talk with the grown folk :wavey:

btw im a female like you :wavey:

Rothes
Apr 19th, 2003, 01:34 PM
Hey I have heard of this...problem...it's called self acclamied passive denial!

I love the Williams sisters.......but The "unintelligent" way to gain the respect, to lay the foundation...Im really a Serena and Venus fan (Ohhh this is good Now I have set myself a good example) but.....etc etc (this is where I hopefully generate some kind of Negative criticism, but still have the upmost respect since I labelled my self a Williams lover)

Golly some people, you can read straight through like a book!

Lets Just bathe in the Venus and Serena's glory that smothers our day to day lives :hearts: :hearts: yet is continuously on the nerves of the obsessors in Attentive Denial :wavey:

GoGoMaggie
Apr 19th, 2003, 01:39 PM
let me say this to your thread. I for 1 don't write of anyone, but i think we are all brought up very differently. I think the majority of everyone on this board, tend to say about matches with the williams sisters, "anything can happen everyone has a chance attitude"

When I was brought up, when you clearly have someone that can just come up and you know on their game outright kick some ass, no matter what the opponent, i really don't believe in giving their opponent a chance, this is how i was brought up. even though venus/serena are very streaky, this is something everyone on this board relys on, and that is not giving credit to the other opponent, that is discrediting venus/serena, and just saying this is their opponents opporutiny. and now they "have a chance"

I don't give "chances" that is just not my game. And to me, when you have a person making errors, that is not saying their "opponent is good enough to take a set off" that is the player, beating themselves.

Nor do i believe in the theory of "running down every ball and making the mistake, is "beating your opponent" when the imstake happens, that is the players fault. And when it comes to venus/serena most of the time, its such a stupid mistake, that you really can't put it on the player making them make the mistake.

Yes players can get to venus/serena when they start to make errors, but don't you get what that statement is saying? Venus and Serena on their game's give their opponents no chances, and their oppoents only chances now, seem to be if they have errors.

Compared to everyone else on the tour, if linday comes out playing against Jennifer both on their games, I really think lindsay "on" her game, can litterally beat Jennifer like 6-4 7-5. Venus and Serena, that is not the case, when they are "on" their games, Chris Evert made a good point when serena was beating Amelie, "they don't let you play your game" when they are playing very well and complete tennis, they don't let them play their games, the scores or mostly like 6-2 6-1 and they (opponent) can only hope they drop, and make errors.

They are really the only 1's on the tour that you can actually have confidence to write off their opponent knowing, the could come out and just dust them off the court. this is why

I'm sorry but you are totally wrong about everything you said here :sad: :mad:

SJW
Apr 19th, 2003, 01:43 PM
bullshit

this is a case of "i am more english than you because i speak better" or "i am a better person than you cos i went to private school" or "i am more black than you because you come from suburbia and i come straight from the ghetto"

"i am a bigger fan of serena than you because both sisters are at the top of my list"

if being a Williams sisters fan is a phrase for being an uptight, racist, hypocritical, bitchy, antagonistical, patronizing bully, then i dont want to be one and i will continue to support them in my own bracket.

i come across people who look down their nose at me every fucking day of my life and when i was younger i used to try and please them.

now i seriously couldnt give a fuck, hence the reason why i will bitchslap my bullies rather than try to be on their side

im like an elastic band.....you keep pulling and i will snap and hit you where it hurts

skanky~skanketta
Apr 19th, 2003, 02:58 PM
how can a person say that one is more talented than the other?justine and the sisters have such different games!and leave it guys!why fight?isnt it bad enough that there;s so much shit going on in the world right now. geez. learn to get along.

SJW
Apr 19th, 2003, 03:00 PM
spoken by the true voice of reason ;):)

hey V :wavey:

skanky~skanketta
Apr 19th, 2003, 03:04 PM
tsk tsk...think SWJ isnt a serena fan. u should see her room!its filled with so many serena merchandise. she's a fan and she keeps it real.