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Volcana
Apr 17th, 2003, 12:06 PM
All players with 10 or TOTAL GS titles (21)

NOTE: Only players who at least played SOME in the open era, and HWM

Records from wtatour.com


62 Margaret Court 24 singles, 19 doubles, 19 mixed doubles
57 M.Navratilova 18 singles, 31 doubles, 8 mixed doubles
39 Bille Jean King 12 singles, 16 doubles, 11 mixed doubles
31 Helen Wills Moody 19 Singles, 9 doubles, 3 Mixed
23 Steffi Graf 22 singles, 1 doubles
22 Pam Shriver 21 doubles, 1 mixed doubles
21 Chris Evert 18 singles, 3 doubles
20 Natasha Zvereva 18 doubles, 2 mixed doubles
19 Maria Bueno 7 singles, 11 doubles, 1 mixed
13 Evonne Goolagong 7 singles, 5 doubles, 1 mixed doubles
17 Jana Novotna 1 singles, 12 doubles, 4 mixed doubles
17 Gigi Fernandez 17 doubles
14 A.Sanchez-Vicario 4 singles, 6 doubles, 4 mixed doubles
14 Martina Hingis 5 singles, 9 doubles
14 Helena Sukova 9 doubles, 5 mixed doubles
13 Serena Williams 5 singles, 6 doubles, 2 mixed doubles
12 Venus Williams 4 singles, 6 doubles, 2 mixed doubles
12 Francois Durr 1 singles, 7 doubles, 4 mixed doubles
11 Rosie Casals 9 doubles, 2 mixed doubles
10 Virgina Wade 3 singles, 6 doubles, 1 mixed doubles
10 Anne Smith* 5 doubles, 5 mixed doubles
10 Betty Stove 6 doubles, 4 mixed doubles



NOTE: Remove all of BJK's mixed titles and she's still #3 over-all.

NOTE: Only three active players

Sam L
Apr 17th, 2003, 12:11 PM
Why do you have __ for Helen Wills' doubles and mixed doubles titles? FYI, she has 9 women's doubles titles and 3 mixed doubles titles.

Also if BJK didn't have her mixed doubles titles, she'd be 4th behind Wills! :confused:

~ The Leopard ~
Apr 17th, 2003, 12:15 PM
Court and Navratilova are the two greatest of all time...but was there any doubt?

Rollo
Apr 17th, 2003, 01:32 PM
Cool list idea :)

You're (or should I say the WTA) missing a few. Elizabeth Ryan never won a singles slam, but she had 19 doubles and mixed at Wimbledon alone. You're also missing Doris Hart, Louise Brough, and Margaret Dupont, all of who racked up huge slam totals.

I don't recall Virginia Wade winning a mixed either-though I hope I'm wrong!

macn
Apr 17th, 2003, 02:47 PM
I give much more credit to the women who achieved success in singles, doubles and mixed. When picking the greatest of all time, I use that as part of the criteria. The top three played all three events and Billie and Margaret played during the times when there were no tiebreakers. People always marvel at today's players stating the competition is stronger and they are too tired to play doubles. All hail the womem who prevailed in all three events!

kiwifan
Apr 17th, 2003, 03:15 PM
Venus and Serena should play more Mixed Doubles.

I'm sure Johnny Mac would love to make a comeback, yet again.

But seriously, pad those stats!!!

G-Ha
Apr 17th, 2003, 04:14 PM
This list illustrates beautifully why I only place moderate emphasis on doubles titles and absolutely zero emphasis on mixed doubles titles in determining the greatest ever: Pam Shriver ranked ahead of Chris Evert?! lol!

irma
Apr 17th, 2003, 04:25 PM
lol legend pam

Volcana
Apr 17th, 2003, 05:11 PM
Sam L - I was not able to get records from wtatour.com for players who never played any Open Era tennis. I knew how many total GS titles Wills Moody had, and how many singles. I didn't know the reakdown for doubles and mixed. Thanks for providing it.

Rollo -see above for why no Ryan, Hart, Brough, and Dupont. wtatour.com doesn't have the records for them. I have such records, but not currently accesible.

WhatTheDeuce
Apr 17th, 2003, 05:36 PM
i say singles titles are vastly more important and say more about the greatness of a player....doubles titles are also extraordinary, but singles is the best for sure...

kiwifan
Apr 17th, 2003, 06:35 PM
Howabout only half credit for each double title (to avoid 1/2's maybe give 2 points for a singles slam and 1 for a doubles)?

macn
Apr 17th, 2003, 06:35 PM
Singles is the most important for sure; however, a person that excels in all three events is extraordinary. It lets the world know that they are not one dimensional players, they can do it all!

Kart
Apr 17th, 2003, 06:45 PM
Interesting stats - Venus and Serena haven't waster much time :eek:.

Jakeev
Apr 17th, 2003, 08:30 PM
Sounds like whoever does the stats for wtatour.com is either lazy or has gotten waaaaaaaay behind if they have omitted Dupont or Brough. This thread doesn't really tell the story because of it.

Nacho
Apr 17th, 2003, 09:27 PM
Howabout only half credit for each double title (to avoid 1/2's maybe give 2 points for a singles slam and 1 for a doubles)?

Then the list would look like this:

86 pts Margaret Court

75 pts M.Navratilova
51 pts Bille Jean King
50 pts Helen Wills Moody
45 pts Steffi Graf
39 pts Chris Evert
26 pts Maria Bueno
22 pts Pam Shriver

20 pts Evonne Goolagong
20 pts Natasha Zvereva
19 pts Martina Hingis
18 pts Serena Williams
18 pts A.Sanchez-Vicario
18 pts Jana Novotna
17 pts Gigi Fernandez

16 pts Venus Williams
14 pts Helena Sukova
13 pts Francois Durr
13 pts Virgina Wade
11 pts Rosie Casals
10 pts Anne Smith
10 pts Betty Stove

kiwifan
Apr 17th, 2003, 09:36 PM
I'm at work and I just pop in and out of WTAworld between tasks.

TOT, you rock!!! :worship: :worship: :worship:

I even agree with the final results*

I will have to pick one of your faves on your sig and give her good luck in the French [Kiwifan spots :cool: Amanda C.:cool: and gives her his blessing]

Enjoy the slams. :cool:















*fully understanding that Seles was stabbed and most of the greats blew off the Aussie Open back in the Chrissie Evert days. :cool:

tennisvideos
Apr 17th, 2003, 10:11 PM
Yeah... great to see the legendary unorthodxo Francoise Durr in the list!!!

Volcana
Apr 17th, 2003, 10:25 PM
I've been down that whole 'points, half-points, two points road before. It's not an experience I need to repeat.

The first five are in the right order, if I work on the assumption that the plusses and minuses of an era even out.

Pre-Open era fields weren't as deep?

Pre-Open era players had a lot more societal pressure against playing. An out lesbian in the 1950's would as likely have been arrested as allowed to compete.

F-R-E-A-K
Apr 19th, 2003, 11:23 AM
Margret Court is the BEST FEMALE PLAYER EVA!

moby
Apr 19th, 2003, 11:30 AM
actually i'd give 3 for singles, 2 for doubles and 1 for mixed (actually 0 for mixed if i can help it)

SerenaSlam
Apr 19th, 2003, 12:40 PM
i never realized that Martina H. had 9 doubles grand slam titles. that was the most for "active players at the time wasn't it" seeing she is done for now, who has the most double titles (w/out Navy) i see Venus/Serena, but who else?

moby
Apr 19th, 2003, 12:41 PM
well actually martina also had a calendar doubles grand slam in 98

SerenaSlam
Apr 19th, 2003, 12:44 PM
i think venus/serena could pull that off, they could more so easily win 8 in a row, they just never have really even tried. hell they haven't even really tried to win the 4 in a row, but this year could be the year, and along w/ that serena has a chance to win the slam in singles/doubles

maccardel
Apr 19th, 2003, 02:02 PM
shouldn't Serena be higher considering she only needs 2 more mixed titles to win everything?....she did the all surface thing and she should be ranked higher. Why isn't Monica on the list?

Rtael
Apr 19th, 2003, 02:20 PM
remade the list for singles=4 doubles=2 Mixed=1

#1. Margaret Court-153
#2. Martina Navratilova-142
#3. Helen Wills Moody-97
#4. Billie Jean King-91
#5. Steffi Graf-90
#6. Chris Evert-78
#7. Maria Bueno-51
#8. Pam Shriver-43
#9. Evonne Goolagong-39
#10. Natasha Zvereva-38
#10. Martina Hingis-38
#12. Gigi Fernandez-34
#12. Serena Williams-34
#14. Aranxta Sanchez-Vicario-32
#14. Jana Novotna-32
#16. Venus Williams-30
#17. Virginia Wade-25
#18. Helena Sukova-23
#19. Francoise Durr-22
#20. Rosie Casals-20
#21. Bettie Stove-16
#22. Anne Smith-15

Rtael
Apr 19th, 2003, 02:24 PM
BTW using this method Lindsay D. would be above Stove and Smith and Monica S. would be above Gigi F. and Serena W.