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coolio
Apr 16th, 2003, 09:12 PM
As an Olympic gold medalist, 3 time Slam champions,
year end Championship winner, former #1, etc, etc,
Lindsay has accomplished more in her career than Justine,

Even though Lindsay was less impressive as a teen
with best showing of QF at Aussie, French, Wimbies,
and 4R in US Open and no Tier I titles,
which Justine has either achieved or passed as a teen,
but Lindsay at 20 won her gold medal,
and reach #1 after 2 years after she won her 1st Slam in America,

Justine has shown much more potential than Lindsay,
with her most impressive win coming at 19 by winning Berlin,
and last week winning Charleston, both with stronger
field than the Olympics...........
Will she fulfill her potentials soon?

Rtael
Apr 16th, 2003, 09:18 PM
I do think she will have a better career then lin-C, I'd say her most impressive tournament, to date, though was Wimby Finals but Berlin/Charleston wins rank right after that....Justine has already made the finals of a grandslam and several semi-finals, I don't see any reason why surpassing lindsay's career would be out of her reach

Rtael
Apr 16th, 2003, 09:20 PM
By the way she won't be gaining #1 posituion this year or next year...she is a GREAT player and all and she is still improving by leaps and bounds )especially her mental game) and she has improved greatly on hardcourts but until she can become more of a threat on hardcourts, she won't be a real contender for #1 ranking

earthcrystal
Apr 16th, 2003, 09:41 PM
When Justine has a Slam or two under her belt, then this discussion might be warranted. While she's "hot" at the moment (after beating Serena) and I understand the enthusiasm, this discussion is very premature.

Kart
Apr 16th, 2003, 09:43 PM
In order to surpass Linday doesn't she have to be no.1 for a while ?

Can't see it happening at the moment whilst Serena and Venus are around.

Rtael
Apr 16th, 2003, 09:47 PM
When Justine has a Slam or two under her belt, then this discussion might be warranted. While she's "hot" at the moment (after beating Serena) and I understand the enthusiasm, this discussion is very premature.


yeah, we'll see after this year's RG ;)

and btw, while she hasn't won a slam yet she has made runner-up and that is enough to warrant discussion

brickhousesupporter
Apr 16th, 2003, 10:08 PM
yeah, we'll see after this year's RG ;)

and btw, while she hasn't won a slam yet she has made runner-up and that is enough to warrant discussion

May I remind you that Pam Shriver was also a grandslam finalist.......

King Lindsay
Apr 16th, 2003, 10:10 PM
It's true that she has done more at a young age than davenport did. But that doesn't mean she'll go on to even greater things in her 20s like Lindsay did. everybody has a different career trajectory. Nobody's is the same.

This discussion is also premature because Lindsay has yet to finish adding to her credentials.

Anyhow, I hope Justine has a wonderful career, and i think she will. If it's as successful as Lindsay's, I think she'll have a lot to be proud of.

earthcrystal
Apr 16th, 2003, 10:16 PM
...while she hasn't won a slam yet she has made runner-up and that is enough to warrant discussion

Lots of Runners-up don't go on to win. I'm sure Helena Sukova (0/4); Mary Jo (0/3), and Wendy Turnbull (0-2) all sparked some discussions as well (back in their haydays).


You are, of course, entitled to your optimism. ;)

shap_half
Apr 16th, 2003, 10:18 PM
This seems to be a very speculative thread but I do care to speculate. Even though I am very bias towards Justine Henin-Hardenne, I will state my opinion as unbias as possible. First of all, I am bias towards Justine primarily because of the drive and determination I see in her. I really see an athlete who can do well because she has a beautiful game. The first time I've ever seen her was at the Wimbledon Championships 2001 and after defeating Jennifer Capriati I knew that Justine Henin would be a future power in tennis. No one has defeated Capriati in a Grand Slam until that moment and I was happy that Justine did it because her game and her poise during that match was just so spectacular.
Also during her match with Venus at the finals although she didn't defeat her, was just magnificent. She (a relatively unknown Belgian player) made the Wimbledon finals and took off a set of the Venus Williams game. Justine just shows so much promise. That whole tournament just really impressed me with Justine's game. That backhand was just gorgeous and the variety was incredible.
Another match that really impressed me was the 2002 Wimbledon, I believe it was the, Quarter Finals (or was 4R) against Monica Seles. That match was just so well played. There was nothing between them except a few GS titles come Monica's way but it was just a truly magnificent match to watch and the maturity that Justine showed during that match and her composure illustrated why she is threat to the title a year ago and for a long time to come.
These are just a couple of things I saw in Justine that really made me believe in her talent. Her game and determination really should be evaluated more as a contende for many titles and for the #1 title sooner or later.

SJW
Apr 16th, 2003, 10:31 PM
when ur chance is only really on 2 surfaces (one which others are even better on) then ur number of slams will be limited.

im not saying Justine will never win slams but for the moment she remains slamless :)

i wish her all the best tho, shes impressed me on the HC this yeark.....

shap_half
Apr 16th, 2003, 10:36 PM
Another thing that really shows that she can be a much better tennis player is because of her improvement on the hardcourts. She did really well at the Australian making the SF for the first time! And winning a hardcourt tier ii event over players who naturally do better on harcourts like Capriati and Seles. Her improvement shows that soon she will be a force to reckon with on hardcourts and not just clay and grass.

SJW
Apr 16th, 2003, 10:49 PM
LOL shap_half :wavey:

yes Henin improving on HC will certainly be something to note and watch out for on HC journey pt II, in July and August :)

CJ07
Apr 16th, 2003, 10:51 PM
once she wins a slam, then we'll talk
also Lindsay was never a real threat on clay

Rtael
Apr 16th, 2003, 10:58 PM
once she wins a slam, then we'll talk
also Lindsay was never a real threat on clay


:rolleyes: I guess it's too bad that Justine beat Lindsay in a slam, on Hardcourt no less... (well Rebound Ace but more similar to hardcourt then any other surface)

auntie janie
Apr 17th, 2003, 01:04 AM
I find this to be a painful topic, I love both of these players, and I think and hope that both have lots more greatness ahead of them. :hearts: :hearts:

Leena
Apr 17th, 2003, 01:12 AM
As an Olympic gold medalist, 3 time Slam champions,
year end Championship winner, former #1, etc, etc,
Lindsay has accomplished more in her career than Justine

Will Justine surpass Lindsay?

No.

bis2806
Apr 17th, 2003, 04:19 AM
Henin will not surpass lindsay!!!! for sure! simply coz lindsay is better :D

Harju.
Apr 17th, 2003, 07:59 AM
pff... NO (at least not this year or even next year)

SerialKiller#69
Apr 17th, 2003, 08:16 AM
maybe, i guess justine's younger

Dava
Apr 17th, 2003, 08:22 AM
Its hard to tell but I think Justine will be a name to be remembered, she has already been in a slam final, which is always a good sign and it was a slam final she had a shot at.

SerialKiller#69
Apr 17th, 2003, 08:31 AM
who was her opponent at that final?

Lindsayfan
Apr 17th, 2003, 09:42 AM
justine wont win 3 slams on 3 different surfaces,wont become n.1 in the world.she may win 1-2 times Roland Garros but i cant see her winning a slam on hardcourts.

bandabou
Apr 17th, 2003, 11:37 AM
I'm afraid I've to say that it will be very hard for Justine to do or surpass what Lindsay did. 3 slams on different surfaces, no.1........can't see Justine do all that. There are simply too many players who can beat her out there. Williams 2x, Kim,....it's sad that the two belgians chosed the wrong era to play in. They are very good players but it seems that will suffer the same fate as the Novotna's and Sabatini's: good but not good enough. The sabatini's had it with Graf and Monica and now the Belgians have Williams and Williams.

shap_half
Apr 17th, 2003, 12:46 PM
I'm afraid I've to say that it will be very hard for Justine to do or surpass what Lindsay did. 3 slams on different surfaces, no.1........can't see Justine do all that. There are simply too many players who can beat her out there. Williams 2x, Kim,....it's sad that the two belgians chosed the wrong era to play in. They are very good players but it seems that will suffer the same fate as the Novotna's and Sabatini's: good but not good enough. The sabatini's had it with Graf and Monica and now the Belgians have Williams and Williams.


But the thing is the Belgians have defeated the sisters and so it is possible that they can beat them. And Justine is very capable of winning both the French and Wimbledon and is doing very well at the Australian. I would not be suprised if she wins both the French and Wimbledon within this season and the next. And the Australian is only a few notches away because she has bee improving.

As for the no. 1 position, if she can continue improving on hardcourts, she can certainly do it. she is only about 700 points behind Clijsters and Venus and should she defend all her points up until Wimbledon she can definitely try to gain more points coming into the US Open and the year end championships.

Maajken
Apr 17th, 2003, 01:06 PM
once she wins a slam, then we'll talk
also Lindsay was never a real threat on clay
linds went as far as justine at the french i.e. semi's, she's won clay court tournies before...if lindsay's not a threat or never was one, then neither is justine.

The Crow
Apr 17th, 2003, 01:09 PM
Don't really understand why you pick these 2 to be compared? :confused:

SJW
Apr 17th, 2003, 01:12 PM
I would not be suprised if she wins both the French and Wimbledon within this season and the next.

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

dude are you serious!?!?!? :confused: :eek: :eek:

i think that would be tennis shock of the past 3 years!

bandabou
Apr 17th, 2003, 01:15 PM
Justine will do fine on clay, is a threat on Grass, is improving on hardcourts, but to say the she will win both Wimbledon an Roland Garros is pretty much wishful thinking! I mean on the grass she would have to beat both sisters. Can't see that happening any time soon!!

shap_half
Apr 17th, 2003, 01:17 PM
:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

dude are you serious!?!?!? :confused: :eek: :eek:

i think that would be tennis shock of the past 3 years!


are you being sarcastic? because i can never tell sarcasm off of anyone nor could i tell double entendres but anyway, yeah i wouldn't be suprised if she won the french this season or next and wimbledon this season or next. she's a highly motivated player. she's reached the finals of wimbledon by having fought off capriati and defeated seles last year. sure she's got a mental block against venus and kim but hopefully those will go away.

rikvanlooy
Apr 17th, 2003, 01:25 PM
It is now more difficult for Justine.

Davenport didn't have that much competition in the beginning (just look at this :

1997
1. Martina Hingis
2. Jana Novotna
3. Lindsay Davenport
4. Amanda Coetzer
5. Monica Seles
6. Iva Majoli
7. Mary Pierce
8. Irina Spirlea
9. Arantxa Sanchez-Vicario
10. Mary Joe Fernandez

1996
1. Steffi Graf
2. Monica Seles
2. Arantxa Sanchez-Vicario
3. Jana Novotna
4. Martina Hingis
5. Conchita Martinez
6. Anke Huber
7. Iva Majoli
8. Kimiko Date
9. Lindsay Davenport
10. Barbara Paulus


She was fat when she reached for the first the number one spot.

Now she has become an athlete (and plays better tennis), but becoming number one and winning Grans Slams seems impossible with the sisters and the two Belgian super talents.

I'll be happy when Justine wins some Grans Slams (RG) and reaches the number two spot in her career. Everything depends on how long the sisters will play.

Kart
Apr 17th, 2003, 06:30 PM
she's reached the finals of wimbledon by having fought off capriati and defeated seles last year. sure she's got a mental block against venus and kim but hopefully those will go away.


A win over Monica on grass is considerably less impressive than a win against Monica on any other surface.

If you want to credit Justine, her win in Dubai this year was a lot more impressive and shows that she really has no big mental blocks anymore. As did her win the other day. Hence, those arguments are now less valid when she plays Venus or Kim.

It is now more difficult for Justine.

Davenport didn't have that much competition in the beginning (just look at this :

1997
1. Martina Hingis
2. Jana Novotna
3. Lindsay Davenport
4. Amanda Coetzer
5. Monica Seles
6. Iva Majoli
7. Mary Pierce
8. Irina Spirlea
9. Arantxa Sanchez-Vicario
10. Mary Joe Fernandez

1996
1. Steffi Graf
2. Monica Seles
2. Arantxa Sanchez-Vicario
3. Jana Novotna
4. Martina Hingis
5. Conchita Martinez
6. Anke Huber
7. Iva Majoli
8. Kimiko Date
9. Lindsay Davenport
10. Barbara Paulus


She was fat when she reached for the first the number one spot.

Now she has become an athlete (and plays better tennis), but becoming number one and winning Grans Slams seems impossible with the sisters and the two Belgian super talents.

I'll be happy when Justine wins some Grans Slams (RG) and reaches the number two spot in her career. Everything depends on how long the sisters will play.

Er, that looks like every bit as much competition as Justine has now.

coolio
Apr 17th, 2003, 07:22 PM
It is now more difficult for Justine.

Davenport didn't have that much competition in the beginning (just look at this :

1997
1. Martina Hingis
2. Jana Novotna
3. Lindsay Davenport
4. Amanda Coetzer
5. Monica Seles
6. Iva Majoli
7. Mary Pierce
8. Irina Spirlea
9. Arantxa Sanchez-Vicario
10. Mary Joe Fernandez

1996
1. Steffi Graf
2. Monica Seles
2. Arantxa Sanchez-Vicario
3. Jana Novotna
4. Martina Hingis
5. Conchita Martinez
6. Anke Huber
7. Iva Majoli
8. Kimiko Date
9. Lindsay Davenport
10. Barbara Paulus


She was fat when she reached for the first the number one spot.

Now she has become an athlete (and plays better tennis), but becoming number one and winning Grans Slams seems impossible with the sisters and the two Belgian super talents.

I'll be happy when Justine wins some Grans Slams (RG) and reaches the number two spot in her career. Everything depends on how long the sisters will play.
actually in 97 Hingis had a huge lead in points like Serena does right now,
remember the 3 Slams she won that year + 1 Slam?
Jana and Lindsay are like Venus and Kim right now fighting for #2 posiiton
plus beating Seles is no shame, and many of the TOP 10 in 97
are in fact in their prime.........
for example,
Amanda beat Dokic right now,
and Amanda is not in her prime while
Dokic is only 20 and should be hitting the peak,
or has already when she reached Jelena reach #4,
Seles in 97 again is no joke, she can beat
many of the TOP 10 right now, and
she was a lot better in 97,
Lindsay has no easy job holding off these people,
many of 'em seem struggling righ tnow
coz it's 5 year later, time does take a toil on their bodies u know

coolio
Apr 17th, 2003, 07:29 PM
Lindsay finished 96 in TOP 10, 97 in TOP 5,
and won a Slam the following year in USA,
she was 20 in 96, and 22 when she got her 1st Slam

Justine finsihed 01 in TOP 10, 02 in TOP 5,
she was 19 in 01, 20 in 02,

how similar can this get?

and many say Justine has a problem on hardcourt,
but may i remind you Lindsay has a problem too,
Lindsay's surface is no doubt the fast court,
which means clay has never been something
she likes to play on, so they are realy familiar
in the career path,