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Tennis Fool
Apr 15th, 2003, 12:43 AM
I knew about the orange juice dude...but :eek: :eek:

From Weirtheim's mailbag:

In late 1998, when she cracked the top 10 as a teenager and her career was on the upswing, someone described Schnyder to me as a "the female Rios." Both left-handed; similar clever, artistic game; similar temperament; and, it turned out, a similar career trajectory. Schnyder has never been the same player since she hooked up with that self-styled "guru," Rainer Harnecker, in early 1999. From there the story took even weirder turns. It seems that Schnyder's parents hired one Rainer Hofmann as a private investigator to help extricate Schnyder from Harnecker's clutches. He did. So much so that he and Schnyder subsequently fell in love and became engaged. Hofmann traveled with Schnyder, sometimes served as her coach and was a fixture on the WTA Tour.

Hofmann, however, recently was found guilty of defrauding a German telecommunications company of $1.3 million and was sentenced by a Frankfurt judge to 18 months in jail. (His lawyer told the German media that he pleaded guilty to spare Schnyder the embarrassment of a trial.) Recent reports also suggested that Schnyder's estranged parents were launching a defamation action against Hofmann. I'm not sure whether Hofmann has begun his sentence, etc., but it's easy to see how this could all be a bit, um, distracting to Schnyder.

-Sonic-
Apr 15th, 2003, 12:45 AM
how is she a drama queen?

Tennis Fool
Apr 15th, 2003, 12:50 AM
Did you read the piece?

Who attracts these kind of people?

-Sonic-
Apr 15th, 2003, 12:57 AM
not really much do to do with her tho... i'd say anna k was more of a model of a drama queen. patty's just gullible and unfortunate.

Philip
Apr 15th, 2003, 02:35 AM
:o Poor Patty :(

DutchieGirl
Apr 15th, 2003, 02:39 AM
John must be reading this board if he's writing that now! COz there was discussion about this in like January! It's old news, and how does it make Patty a drama queen? She's not been going around having fits and tantrums for the media, etc... that is more of a drama queen! This just means that Patty makes bad decisions!

And I'd beg to differe with John about Patty not getting back her old level of play. She's been sitting at #13 in the rankings for some time now, and her highest ever ranking was #8. When she got into the top 10, the Williams sisters were nowhere to be seen, so #13 is very respectable!

King Lindsay
Apr 15th, 2003, 02:41 AM
You know, Jon should pay a little more attention. Patty did fall off the track for a while after 1998, but last year she made it all the way back to #13 while winning Zurich and getting to the finals of charleston. In my eyes, she had an even better year in 2002 than she did in 1998.

But her personal life has always been a huge mess. :) Jut a question for whoever can answer it .... is Patty very famous in Switzerland?

Messenger
Apr 15th, 2003, 03:02 AM
She's certainly liked more than Hingis I think ;)

Tennis Fool
Apr 15th, 2003, 03:08 AM
I think because of her early loss at FCC, she's dropped back to #21.

But can you imagine what career she *could* be having if she had normal people in her life...:o

King Lindsay
Apr 15th, 2003, 03:10 AM
Well, duh. ;) The Swiss hate Hingis. :D

Patty hasn't fallen anywhere yet. Her Charleston points are off this week. If she falters again, goodbye ranking. But not just yet.

Leena
Apr 15th, 2003, 03:15 AM
Why would Patty need a "special investigator" to get away from a man?

That's just some fucked up shit...

Leena
Apr 15th, 2003, 03:16 AM
I think because of her early loss at FCC, she's dropped back to #21.

But can you imagine what career she *could* be having if she had normal people in her life...:o
She won't lose her Charleston points until next week.

Tennis Fool
Apr 15th, 2003, 03:23 AM
Why would Patty need a "special investigator" to get away from a man?

That's just some fucked up shit...


From what I understand Harnecker was like a cult leader...After she took up with him, she dropped her then-boyfriend and stopped communicating with her parents. Of course they must have been in anguish over this.

Not only did she drop ties with her loved ones, but she was dieting on nothing but orange juice, as per his order (some type of special training diet :rolleyes: ).

Leena
Apr 15th, 2003, 03:26 AM
From what I understand Harnecker was like a cult leader...After she took up with him, she dropped her then-boyfriend and stopped communicating with her parents. Of course they must have been in anguish over this.

Not only did she drop ties with her loved ones, but she was dieting on nothing but orange juice, as per his order (some type of special training diet :rolleyes: ).
Damn...

Well, here's a valuable lesson for all other females... that I learned a long time ago. All men are scum. Never take relationships seriously with them... but take everything else. :)

c2
Apr 15th, 2003, 03:59 AM
hee hee Leena ;) but really tennis fool, all that info's been out a while.. those of us who've liked Patty have been waiting for her to drop Rainer for a while now.

Jesquimaux
Apr 15th, 2003, 04:32 AM
Patty :sad: ... we love you Patty :)

c2
Apr 15th, 2003, 04:45 AM
:sad: I agree w/ Jesquimaux. as I've said many times before on this board, people who come from an abusive family (and I believe patty's was/is) often choose abusive partners. It doesn't come from stupidity; it comes from not knowing appropriate boundaries, and how to say no. I wish Patty the best. GO PATTY :bounce:

DutchieGirl
Apr 15th, 2003, 05:11 AM
I think because of her early loss at FCC, she's dropped back to #21.

But can you imagine what career she *could* be having if she had normal people in her life...:o
She's still 13 - but if she loses early this week then yeah, she'll drop out of the top 20!

DutchieGirl
Apr 15th, 2003, 05:13 AM
Damn...

Well, here's a valuable lesson for all other females... that I learned a long time ago. All men are scum. Never take relationships seriously with them... but take everything else. :)

become a lesbian - then you don't need a man at all! ;) :p

Shooter
Apr 15th, 2003, 06:21 AM
I don't know Patty S. personally, but she certainly is a pleasure to watch play tennis. She's a natural athlete who does everything in a beautiful way. She moves as gracefully as any female player I've ever seen. I've passed by her at tournaments a few times and have always gotten good vibes from her. Most people seem to think that Patty hasn't reached her potential as a tennis player. It seems that way to me too. I hope that is true and that we are fortunate enough to see her come close to her potential before she retires from the game.

.......... http://www.mfwweb.com/tennis/Shooter.jpg

JonBcn
Apr 15th, 2003, 08:42 AM
Hofmann...was a fixture on the WTA Tour.

What, like Eastbourne and Indian Wells? :confused:

switz
Apr 15th, 2003, 08:57 AM
you're right that patty has not reached her true potential, she has lost 5 straight matches. last year was a great year which we patty fan's (and of course patty) desperately deserved. but even 2002 was full of bad losses which were disguised by the great performances in charlseton and zurich.

don't get me wrong i hate rainer hoffman and harnecker, but you are making a big mistake in just writing this off as bad choices on patty's part. i have said it a number of times but patty's upbringing was not normal, and her father is not a good man. why sue hoffman? why allow your daughter to cut of communication? what does it achieves except make patty hate him more? she is searching for a father figure in a boyfriend, which is disgusting the way i said it, but you probably know what i mean. saying patty is a drama queen is unfair because she has never made a big scene about anything except anna kournikova, and throughout all this mess she keeps a happy disposition (which is a bit weird/scary) and everyone still likes her.

Raisin
Apr 15th, 2003, 09:35 AM
But her personal life has always been a huge mess. :) Jut a question for whoever can answer it .... is Patty very famous in Switzerland?
She is popular no doubt. With Patty its a Love/hate relation. We all want her to be successful because we know she is at times capable to hang with the top players and produce some good results like she did in Zurich. But we are also disappointed when she can't fulfull that potential and with the way her private life is going. :sad:

Tennis Fool
Apr 18th, 2003, 04:05 AM
Patty's into the quarters of AI, so I guess she will stay top 20 next week...

Guess she's drinking more than OJ these days...Hope the sanity stays...

King Lindsay
Apr 18th, 2003, 04:41 AM
She is popular no doubt. With Patty its a Love/hate relation. We all want her to be successful because we know she is at times capable to hang with the top players and produce some good results like she did in Zurich. But we are also disappointed when she can't fulfull that potential and with the way her private life is going. :sad:

Thanks for answering. But is she like, front pages famous, or just known amongst the fans of tennis? When she won Zurich, was it a huge deal? If you asked ten random Swiss people on the streets of Geneva, how many would know who she was?

switz
Apr 18th, 2003, 07:03 AM
Thanks for answering. But is she like, front pages famous, or just known amongst the fans of tennis? When she won Zurich, was it a huge deal? If you asked ten random Swiss people on the streets of Geneva, how many would know who she was?

anybody who is not a full on arty non-conformist knows who patty is. tennis is a pretty big sport in switzerland, and it doesn't get drowned out by all the other sports like in australia and the united states. i'm not saying that it's by any means the biggest sport, or that patty is country's biggest celebrity, but she is very well known, especially considering this whole controversy has kept her in news

King Lindsay
Apr 18th, 2003, 10:26 AM
Thanks. Just wondering.

c2
Apr 18th, 2003, 02:02 PM
I agree w/ switz; problems like Patty's start in the home, with how family treats you. It's too simplistic to write it off as "bad choices" or being drama queen. (No offence, Tennisfool.) :wavey:

switz
Apr 18th, 2003, 03:24 PM
oh well patty seems to proving all the "haters" (not my word) wrong this week

Tennis Fool
Apr 18th, 2003, 10:51 PM
I agree w/ switz; problems like Patty's start in the home, with how family treats you. It's too simplistic to write it off as "bad choices" or being drama queen. (No offence, Tennisfool.) :wavey:

None taken :wavey:

Bump again, do to her being dumped by Linday 1 and 1. I read somewhere that she didn't seem to be into the match. I guess with Patty its a day by day thing...

Anyway, how did her parents treat her? I haven't heard that story.

vogus
Apr 20th, 2003, 02:35 AM
King Linds - I once read, admittedly several years ago, that Patty is the 3rd biggest celebrity among German-speaking Swiss people (Hingis was like 15th), sports or otherwise so yeah I think that qualifies her as front-page famous in her own country.

Tennis Fool - There are not too many details available on Patty's upbringing, the way there are known horror stories about Mary Pierce's or Steffi's Graf's dads. But it was suggested quite a few times amongst all the publicity over Harnecker that Patty was looking to escape from her father because he was a very cold-hearted, controlling and emotionally abusive man and only saw his daughter as a way to glorify himself and make a lot of money. Nobody ever said anything about physical abuse, but then physical abuse inside a family is often accompanied by a code of silence. So it's impossible to know exactly what Patty might have gone through as a child but I think Switz's and c2's assessments, about a past bad family experience shaping her subsequent behavior, are likely to be correct. And as Switz and c2 both suggested, it appears that Patty has unfortunately picked things up with Rainer Hoffmann right where they were left off with her father.

It's too bad that Patty doesn't seem to have had people in her own life who care about her as sincerely as the people posting in this thread. :kiss: go Patty and reach your potential :bounce:

Leo_DFP
Apr 20th, 2003, 02:52 AM
Nah, Patty's not a drama wueen. You know who is? Jelena Dokic. What a big ordeal she made out of nothing (AO 2000 draw).