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GoGoMaggie
Apr 14th, 2003, 09:35 AM
Every player must have a match or two that changed and would have changed her career dramatically.

Had Jana won the '93 Wimbledon final against Steffi, she would have won more slams.

Dava
Apr 14th, 2003, 10:17 AM
Had Kim won the semi-final against Serena.
Had Anna won the semi-final against Martina at Wimbledon in 97.
Jana definatly would have won more slams.
Had Martina won the final in 2002 AO (she might still be here!)

TheBoiledEgg
Apr 14th, 2003, 10:20 AM
there's no better example than Natasha Zvereva at the 1988 RG final.

what could have been :sad: but she wasn't too unterested in singles after

irma
Apr 14th, 2003, 10:22 AM
I doubt it in novotna's case. I mean she choked again at the us open 98 when you would expect her to get on another high. I think wimbledon 93 motivated her more then it put her down in the end. she had never won a tier 1 or 2 till that point afterall and she did afterwards!

irma
Apr 14th, 2003, 10:24 AM
she won a tier 2 in sydney 91. how could I forget that. I saw that match 50 times on eurosport;)

Hardiansf
Apr 14th, 2003, 10:25 AM
Hingis vs Graf at FO
Venus vs Serena at Australian Open 2003

veryborednow
Apr 14th, 2003, 10:26 AM
Australian Open 2001
R1 Jennifer Capriati def. Henrieta Nagyova 4-6, 6-2, 7-5

Oizo
Apr 14th, 2003, 12:33 PM
Mary Joe Fernandez in the Australian Open final 1990? The one she lost to Seles. :o Same Mary Joe Fernandez losing the French Open final 1993 to Steffi.

CJ07
Apr 14th, 2003, 12:56 PM
Had Monica beaten Maleeva at 93 Hamburg :(
Venus d. Serena Wimbledon/Us Open/Oz Open

starr
Apr 14th, 2003, 01:00 PM
Martina against Iva Majoli at the FO. :)

That was all that was between her and a GS that year.

saki
Apr 14th, 2003, 01:07 PM
Eggy's right that the most dramatic case has to be Natasha Zvereva losing 0-6 0-6 in the FO final. She certainly would have had a much better singles career if it hadn't been for that match.

Otherwise, I think Anna Kournikova losing the 1998 Lipton final to Venus is up there. So far it really doesn't look as though she's going to ever recover that form and I suspect that had she won that final she'd be doing much better now. At the very least the "no title" pressure would be off.

Also Kimiko Date losing that Wimbledon semi-final to Steffi Graf. I can't remember the year but it was very very close and had she made it, she'd have become a truly elite player which would have altered her career.

VSFan1 aka Joshua L.
Apr 14th, 2003, 01:37 PM
Venus Williams

2000 Wimbledon QF vs. Hingis

6-3, 2-6, 6-4 (??)

You could even see that Venus knew this match changed her entire career after she won it.

fammmmedspin
Apr 14th, 2003, 01:42 PM
To add to the usual culprits (NZ etc)
Anna K beats Steffi Graf Eastbourne 98 - but injures herself doing so - at her best but is forced to withdraw from the tournament. does not win Eastbourne for her first tournament success and does not play Wimbledon coming off such a big win and does not really hit the same heights (or serve???) since.
Martina Hingis AO 02 - the shoes might have still got her career but if a match point had been taken?
I can't remember when, but lets hear it for the first significant match where Mary Pierce managed to beat Anke Huber who owned her until that point - which was arguably the sign that Mary would achieve the GS success that eluded poor Anke.
Anke Huber beats Conchita Martinez for the first time - look at Anke's results before and after.
Sabatini v MJF FO marathon. Desperandum Gabi. Goodbye Gabi.


and the potentials
AO 03 Kim v Serena. Kim's best chance (MJF FO 93?) Or is Kim at the same stage as Steffi was in 87?
AO 03 Justine v Lindsay - welcome to the new match-tough ,fighting, GS winning, more multi-surface, Justine H2?

Add to the Kimiko point - if the match had been finished on that first day (started 30 minutes earlier or even if the final set had got going?)) we might have had a Japanese GS champ. Kimiko might have played on instead of retiring? And how many japanese players would there be today?

bandabou
Apr 14th, 2003, 01:45 PM
One would say Kim vs Serena at the oz open, but there wasn't any guarantee that she could have beaten Venus..

I'm intend to go with Justine vs Kim'01 French Open. To me that was THE chance for Justine to win a slam. She would have had a great chance to beat Jen, but blew it!!

Siromist
Apr 14th, 2003, 01:46 PM
hello!! I'm from Greece and I can only see tennis from Eurosport Channel. Because I don't know much about tennis can anyone tell me how often is there a tennis match and what time????

starr
Apr 14th, 2003, 01:49 PM
Check the Eurosport listings. I think you should have a lot of tennis to watch when the clay season begins.

Siromist
Apr 14th, 2003, 01:53 PM
And when the Clay season begins???

Leena
Apr 14th, 2003, 01:54 PM
Monica/Maggie in '93... but in true tennis, non-tragedy terms, I'd agree with Eggy... Natasha in '88 RG final. How could you not be completely discouraged after that?

GoGoMaggie
Apr 14th, 2003, 02:22 PM
'93 French Open QF Mary Joe beat Gabby after saving a number of MPs. After the shocking loss, Gabby didn't win a title till she won the '94 year end championship.
Gabby lost to Date in a similar fashion letting many MPs slip in the 95 Lipton SF. I think she lost the momentum she had regained at the championships and went back to the long slump and never regained her best form again. Gabby should never have lost those matches and her career would have been very different then.

gmak
Apr 14th, 2003, 02:23 PM
definitely the FO final in 1988 poor natasha :sad:

also the WIMBLEDON semi between steffi and kimiko in 1996
steffi was saved by the darkness as kimiko played some flawless tennis in that second set...... she trailed 2-6 0-3 or something and came back to win 6 games in a row!!!!! :eek:

last but not least the lipton final between venus and anna in 1998.... anna was up 6-2 3-1 had already beaten 4 top10 players monica lindsay conchita and arantxa to reach the finals... the rest is history!

tyk101
Apr 14th, 2003, 02:26 PM
Monica Vs Martina (2002 AO)........

Mark43
Apr 14th, 2003, 02:47 PM
I agree about Jana @Wimbledon in 1993, but I think had she taken the 1991 Aussie title from Seles that would have greatly altered her career earlier. Jana had beaten Steffi in the quarters for the first time and she took the first set from Monica.

Jana beat Steffi again later that year at the season ender and again in Chicago 1992 and she had the game to beat Monica, just not the confidence.

spencercarlos
Apr 14th, 2003, 03:54 PM
Sabatini and Graf 91 Wimbledon Final. Sabatini´s career would have Changed, not only by becoming number one in the world, but also could have had the confidence to win more slams.

Steffí losing that final would have been devastating, because Grass was Gaby´s worst surface.

Harju.
Apr 14th, 2003, 06:15 PM
Had Momo beat Venus in US Open 2002 SF :fiery: she could have won it!!!

tennisIlove09
Apr 14th, 2003, 09:10 PM
Venus Williams

2000 Wimbledon QF vs. Hingis

6-3, 2-6, 6-4 (??)

You could even see that Venus knew this match changed her entire career after she won it.

6-3 4-6 6-4 :)

breakfest...but yea, first time Venus beat Hingis in a Slam. Changed her career.


For Serena: def. Capriati 6-1 6-7 6-3 2001 Canadian Open

angele87
Apr 14th, 2003, 10:12 PM
Kim vs. Jennifer RG final 01

SerenaSlam
Apr 14th, 2003, 10:35 PM
Venus and Serena had some matches last year. Not necessarily Serena in the slams, seeing she cruzed the entire year. But Venus in particular, i think everything turned out just fine. I think she was waiting on lil sis a little. I think if she would've sweeped like Serena did (venus im talking about) her motivation to keep it up would not be as strong, compared to loosing to lil sis and now, wanting to beat her, and make a statement.

TheBoiledEgg
Apr 14th, 2003, 10:55 PM
The match that changed or would have changed a player's carrer dramatically ----- does this or does this not refer to a player that HAS RETIRED ??

so i don't get all those who are picking Players in top 10 right now, they are still playing and doing pretty great, its not like they've fallen of the face of the planet.

GoGoMaggie
Apr 15th, 2003, 09:13 AM
TBE it doesn't matter, but it's more debatable about retired players career as we know what happened after those matches.

Gandalf
Apr 15th, 2003, 06:00 PM
For Gaby, the RG'93 QF against Mary Joe...she lost the motivation for a long time after that. Probably if Steffi would have lost the WB'91 against Gaby she would have retired at the end of the year, and so many things could have been different (for instance, Seles would have probably never been stabbed).

For Hingis, the FO'99 final against Graf, of course.

I am curious to see what would have happened to Conchita if Navratilova had won the WB'94 final...would she have stood being more overshadowed by Arantxa than she was?. Or would she have been hungrier for other titles?.

CJ07
Apr 15th, 2003, 07:05 PM
Monica Steffi 1992 Wimbledon
man i wish Monica had grunted

Venus Hingis 1997 Us Open
Venus would've been on top of the world had she won that match
Venus Hingis 1999 Us Open
First All-Williams Final!

irma
Apr 15th, 2003, 07:16 PM
steffi in berlin 90 well in fact that match saved her career. if she had pulled out like she wanted in the first place she probably had never played again! (she talked about not liking tennis as much anymore and could retire any minute the months before)

how would my life have been then oh well I probably would have gone on drugs or so;)

so that tournament changed steffi's and my life;)