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kennethw
Apr 13th, 2003, 06:45 PM
can you believe that racist crowd support for justine henin against the american serena? america will never have a grand slam champ other than serena and venus again. if jennifer or lindsay was playing, the support would be total for them. south carolina is a racist state anyway. it's a shame when your home country cant support you. but that's america, the most racist country in the world. i would rather live in iraq.

Tennisfan-Mtl
Apr 13th, 2003, 07:29 PM
Racist ???

Well, how can you really blame it on racism ??? That's too easy....

NaturalBlues
Apr 13th, 2003, 07:37 PM
can you believe that racist crowd support for justine henin against the american serena?

Yes. Maybe because they support the underdog?

america will never have a grand slam champ other than serena and venus again.

how do you know? :rolleyes:

it's a shame when your home country cant support you. but that's america, the most racist country in the world.

Yep.

i would rather live in iraq

What's stopping you?


This is by far the most stupid post I've ever seen. And all this because Serena *I want to be undefeated* Williams lost a match.

sperosgeorgejr
Apr 13th, 2003, 07:38 PM
kennethw is confusing rooting for the underdog with bigotry and racism.

Venus Forever
Apr 13th, 2003, 08:09 PM
I don't think it was racism at all.

I believe the crowd was rooting for Justine because they wanted the Serena or Williams domination to come to an end, and I understand why. Who, other than a Williams fan, would want one person or even sisters dominate others?? They just want a different winner, and there is nothing wrong with that.

Congrats Justine on a great victory.:D

Consistency
Apr 13th, 2003, 08:23 PM
i would rather live in iraq.

:rolleyes: Yawn!

Don't let the door hit you on the ass....You know the rest.

faboozadoo15
Apr 13th, 2003, 08:25 PM
i heard a lot of support for serena too...
laughs at
america is the most racist country in the world and that comment on how you wold rather live in iraq... tell me- are u here all week?

LeonHart
Apr 13th, 2003, 08:52 PM
LoL...go ahead!! Don't even talk english as a matter of fact! go and learn Iraqi

yukon145
Apr 13th, 2003, 10:26 PM
can you believe that racist crowd support for justine henin against the american serena? america will never have a grand slam champ other than serena and venus again. if jennifer or lindsay was playing, the support would be total for them. south carolina is a racist state anyway. it's a shame when your home country cant support you. but that's america, the most racist country in the world. i would rather live in iraq.
I'm sure Iraq would welcome you with open arms, and have you ever watched a match when the William sisters are playing? The crowd is always for the other player, no matter where they are playing.

Freewoman33
Apr 13th, 2003, 11:07 PM
kennethw, I understand where you're coming from. This is something, as a Williams fan, you have to get used to. Even my friends who don't normally watch tennis, but are forced to because of me, notice the crowd's lack of support for V&S. On of my friends called me today. We were both watching the match and chatting about it. All he could talk about was the lack of support for Serena. There was a point where Serena doublefaulted and they cheered. He couldn't believe it. I told him to get used to it. If Jennifer, Lindsay, Monica or any other white American player was dominating the tour, I would bet my last dollar that the America crowd would cheer for them. They would be respectful to the other player, but they'd cheer more for the American. This is a reality that I've learned to live with.

This doesn't stop with America, it expands into Europe. I remember Wimbledon 2000 singles final with Lindsay and Venus. Although Venus was the underdog in that match, you didn't get the sense that people really wanted her to win her first GS title.

If I can recall correctly, I think Zina Garrison made it to the finals of Wimbledon, to play Martina N, one year. I didn't see the match, because I wasn't following tennis at that time, but I can remember someone saying that there was more support for Martina N. than for Zina G., because people wanted her to win her 9th Wimby title. Is it possible that the crowd didn't want to see a black woman win it? After all, Zina was the underdog, hence, she should've gotten more support from the crowd. No? Somebody please correct me on this if I'm wrong.

This is why I strongly believe that Venus and Serena should not play Fed Cup, Hopman Cup and the Olympics for America. If they cannot get the support from the home crowd, they should not have to represent America.

I don't care about their reception in Europe, or any other continent. However, no one should be booed for silliness.

SerenasMelons
Apr 13th, 2003, 11:29 PM
I can understand why people feel this way. Its easy to be suspicious and think that the reason the crowds don't cheer for Serena as much is because of racism. And maybe for some ignorant people in the crowd, that's true. But I don't think the majority of them felt that way today.

How exciting would it have been for Serena to win today?!?! Win another tournament? Like she's been doing all last year and this year? By now people want to see someone take down the most dominant player in tennis. It certainly is more exciting. And today, even though I am a Williams fan, I was happy for Justine.

The point is, people root for the underdog, and against Serena these days, everyone is the underdog. EVERYONE. So don't expect people to be cheering for her unless she's about to win the Grand Slam or something.

Xuan121
Apr 13th, 2003, 11:30 PM
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOW NOW!!!!!!

its not racism. The fans/ crowd was just cheering for the under dog. And plus to tell you the truth, I think people are just tired of seeing serena win all the time. I mean, i respect her for what she has accomplish but not everyone like serena or even her sister. People here int he U.S. have the freedom to cheer who they want and to liek who they want.

And i think its stupid that people who dislike the william sister is being accuse of being racism. Its pathatic becuase its the only reason that they can come up with. first richard, now their fans.

Maybe the people who are accusing other people of racism should know why they dont liek serena and venus first and then make thier judgement.

ktwtennis
Apr 14th, 2003, 12:18 AM
Notice he hasn't shown up to live up to the results of his stupid post...

dreamgoddess099
Apr 14th, 2003, 12:33 AM
For all of the whites or foreigners in the thread who think it not racism (as if you have experianced any of to be able to call it if you did) why, if the crowd always supposedly cheers for the underdog, why were Venus and Serena getting cheered against when THEY were the underdog and not winning all of the grandslams? At the French Open when Capriati played against Serena, Capriati was cheered for when she was the number one seed, had won three grandslams, and was cursing all over the place. At the time, Serena had not won a grandslam since 1999, was reguarded as being a choker, and had lost to Jennifer four times in a row. The crowd still favored Jennifer and gave Serena little to no support. But I guess some of you people didn't pickup on that (probably because you don't have to deal with any racism). So much for cheering for the underdog. If any of you had so much as a clue about what it is like to experiance racism, you wouldn't be so ignorant and try to discredit so many who have. Just the fact that some of you try so hard to discredit those who have proves that you know it does exist, you just don't want to admitt it. Well, not all people have the ability to just turn away. :rolleyes:

switz
Apr 14th, 2003, 12:37 AM
can you believe that racist crowd support for justine henin against the american serena? america will never have a grand slam champ other than serena and venus again. if jennifer or lindsay was playing, the support would be total for them. south carolina is a racist state anyway. it's a shame when your home country cant support you. but that's america, the most racist country in the world. i would rather live in iraq.


forgive me if i am wrong but i am almost positve that this is coming from the poster who startd a thread during the nasdaq-100 open about how it was good that people were booing the russian and french players for their nation's stance on the war with iraq, and he was counting down the number of them losing and then cheering with joy that the stupid russian blondes were getting what they deserved. maybe your point has some validity, although you are over-simplifying it to a significant extant, but you are not someone who has the right to get on their moral high-horse. YOU ARE A RACIST!!!!

switz
Apr 14th, 2003, 12:47 AM
For all of the whites or foreigners in the thread who think it not racism (as if you have experianced any of to be able to call it if you did) why, if the crowd always supposedly cheers for the underdog, were Venus and Serena getting cheered against when THEY were the underdog and not winning all of the grandslams? At the French Open Capriati played against Serena and was cheered for win she was the number one seed, had won three grandslams, and was cursing all over the place. At the time, Serena had not won a grandslam since 1999, was reguarded as being a choker, and had lost to Jennifer four times in a row. The crowd still favored Jennifer and gave Serena little to no support. But I guess some of you people didn't pickup on that (probably because you don't have to deal with any racism). So much for cheering for the underdog. If any of you had so much as a clue about what it is like to experiance racism, you wouldn't be so ignorant and try to discredit so many who have. Just the fact that some of you try so hard to discredit those who have proves that you know it does exist, you just don't want to admitt it. Well, not all people have the ability to just turn away.

i know were you are coming from, but i don't think you can compare serena williams the underdog to justine henin the underdog. i think the fact that going into today's match hardly anybody (only henin fans) thought that justine had a chance demonstrates the difference, because in the serena/jen match i remember that it was a pretty split decision on who people thought would win. also jen never dominated the tour the way serena has eg she did not win a clay court lead up to the FO that year i don't think. if chanda rubin or mashona washington where playing them i think you would notice the difference. i admit, however, that it is a bit (very) rough for crowd to cheer against the player from the country against a foreigner.

switz
Apr 14th, 2003, 12:50 AM
imagine what you henin fans would think if a crowd in belgium cheered for patty schnyder to win the in the 2001 Diamond Games semi-finals. would you all not be very pissed off?

Xuan121
Apr 14th, 2003, 01:16 AM
I myself has face racism alot of time, So i know what its like. So i dont think That people Not cheering for the william sister is due to racism,.

It think its the other factor that make people dislike them, such as the sportmanship and how they act or what they say or do. Theres other african american tennis out there that you dont hear any dislikes. like Chanda rubin... You barely ever hear anything bad about her?

We need for serena to face chanda in a match. and And during that match if chanda is being cheer more then Serena, then you cant say its racism becuase they are botht he same race. and then the case will fiinaly close.

SerenasMelons
Apr 14th, 2003, 01:40 AM
I think it would be interesting to see Serena face Chanda in a match. Does anyone remember last year in L.A. whom the crowd was cheering for? Or at Wimbledon?

And whom they were cheering for against Venus at Roland Garros and the U.S. Open?

VSFan1 aka Joshua L.
Apr 14th, 2003, 01:41 AM
I know for a fact that racism is alive and well in South Carolina (much like the rest of the nation, but the racists in South Carolina aren't afraid to deny it).

HOWEVER, most of this crowd was not racist. Serena would not have even given it a second thought, so why should we?

Dava
Apr 14th, 2003, 01:42 AM
Yes when Venus played Chanda at the US open they wanted Chanda to win, becuase she was an underdog with a chance. Any crowd in thw world like that!!! the same thing happened to Navratilova and Graff, not becuase they were Lesbian or German but becuase the other player needed the support more.

sperosgeorgejr
Apr 14th, 2003, 01:48 AM
click on the hyperlink below for all of kennethw's controversial posts:


http://www.wtaworld.com/search.php?searchid=8744

Scotso
Apr 14th, 2003, 02:00 AM
Perhaps people don't like her attitude.

But if you think that some williams fans always labelling whites as racist will make them more friendly to the sisters, think again.

dreamgoddess099
Apr 14th, 2003, 02:03 AM
i know were you are coming from, but i don't think you can compare serena williams the underdog to justine henin the underdog. i think the fact that going into today's match hardly anybody (only henin fans) thought that justine had a chance demonstrates the difference, because in the serena/jen match i remember that it was a pretty split decision on who people thought would win. also jen never dominated the tour the way serena has eg she did not win a clay court lead up to the FO that year i don't think. if chanda rubin or mashona washington where playing them i think you would notice the difference. i admit, however, that it is a bit (very) rough for crowd to cheer against the player from the country against a foreigner.Chanda Ruban and Mashona Washington are not as big and intimidating as Venus and Serena. They are also not as talented, therefore not seen as a threat as much. BTW, Serena was not dominating yet when she played the French Open 02. She had only won the Italian Open. If that's the case, then why was Justine not cheered against as much, being as though she too had made it to the finals of two clay court events, winning one. The fact is that Venus and Serena represent fear of the "big strong blacks" coming in and taking over the sport. People try to discredit their tennis by saying that they're not good skilled tennis players, but just good athletes. Last time I checked, it took skill to be able to get the ball into the court, especially if your hitting it hard. If a power game is so brainless and nonskillful, then why can't all of the players on the tour play it? You don't get extra points fo finesse so why does it matter how the point is won? The object is to get the point.

crewman31
Apr 14th, 2003, 02:07 AM
For all of the whites or foreigners in the thread who think it not racism (as if you have experianced any of to be able to call it if you did) why, if the crowd always supposedly cheers for the underdog, why were Venus and Serena getting cheered against when THEY were the underdog and not winning all of the grandslams? At the French Open when Capriati played against Serena, Capriati was cheered for when she was the number one seed, had won three grandslams, and was cursing all over the place. At the time, Serena had not won a grandslam since 1999, was reguarded as being a choker, and had lost to Jennifer four times in a row. The crowd still favored Jennifer and gave Serena little to no support. But I guess some of you people didn't pickup on that (probably because you don't have to deal with any racism). So much for cheering for the underdog. If any of you had so much as a clue about what it is like to experiance racism, you wouldn't be so ignorant and try to discredit so many who have. Just the fact that some of you try so hard to discredit those who have proves that you know it does exist, you just don't want to admitt it. Well, not all people have the ability to just turn away. :rolleyes:
well said, yes those folks hate the fact that tow black women are playing well, its sad they can;t get any support in their own country so everyone here needs to get a clue and come to so reality , its here its not going away. p.s. you know there 3 black women in the top ten.
there my point.

Julian
Apr 14th, 2003, 02:16 AM
dreamgoddess099, as said again I think you're taking this out of proportion. Yes back in 2001 fans cheered for Justine and Jennifer..but for different reasons, not the ones you mentioned..yes Justine was doing great and not the underdog but did she win a GS? No she did not and also she wasn't in complete domination like Serena is today. As for Jennifer, during that time that was her "comeback" story and I think EVERYONE cheered for her considering what she's been through and even though I was never a fan of her I was cheering for her to win the FO since the start of the tournament.

I mean when the Williamses first burst onto the scene I had no problem with them whatsoever and everytime Venus played Hingis I was always rooting for Venus to win. It wasn't until Venus won her 2nd U.S. Open that I started to root for her oppenent..why?? Because I also didn't want to see Venus win all the time, it was never a racial issue, that's what I think, and as for me you can tell I don't like the power game lol..I love a point being constructed and I guess not a lot of people like seeing winner/error/winner/error after ever point. Although I do find Venus' game more appealing then Serena's. Anyway that's all I have to say

Julian
Apr 14th, 2003, 02:18 AM
I'd also like to add that I think the crowd was pretty fair today IMO

Sam L
Apr 14th, 2003, 02:40 AM
I know for a fact that racism is alive and well in South Carolina (much like the rest of the nation, but the racists in South Carolina aren't afraid to deny it).

HOWEVER, most of this crowd was not racist. Serena would not have even given it a second thought, so why should we?
Great points, kennethw is just stirring up trouble. LOL!

dreamgoddess099
Apr 14th, 2003, 03:07 AM
I still don't see how good players are bad for any sport, wheather you like their style of play or not. Who cares, your not playing. It's not for them to have mercy on others. This is a professional sport. Grow up! Could you imagine the Lakers being cheered against in L.A just because they have won the past three championships? No, they have real fans who appreciate their hard work and dedication. Some of you treat the players on the WTA tour like they are little girls who need help. I'm not sure what type of fans you guys are, but I cheer for those who deserve and earn my respect by showing they are champions. I don't cheer for losers out of pity like some of you. I do however take offense to anyone claiming that the issue of racism could EVER be blown out of propertion.

dreamgoddess099
Apr 14th, 2003, 03:18 AM
dreamgoddess099, as said again I think you're taking this out of proportion. Yes back in 2001 fans cheered for Justine and Jennifer..but for different reasons, not the ones you mentioned..yes Justine was doing great and not the underdog but did she win a GS? No she did not and also she wasn't in complete domination like Serena is today. As for Jennifer, during that time that was her "comeback" story and I think EVERYONE cheered for her considering what she's been through and even though I was never a fan of her I was cheering for her to win the FO since the start of the tournament.

I mean when the Williamses first burst onto the scene I had no problem with them whatsoever and everytime Venus played Hingis I was always rooting for Venus to win. It wasn't until Venus won her 2nd U.S. Open that I started to root for her oppenent..why?? Because I also didn't want to see Venus win all the time, it was never a racial issue, that's what I think, and as for me you can tell I don't like the power game lol..I love a point being constructed and I guess not a lot of people like seeing winner/error/winner/error after ever point. Although I do find Venus' game more appealing then Serena's. Anyway that's all I have to sayJennifer had already won the FO in 2001. Is that not a grand slam? BTW, 2002 was not her come back year, she had aready come back by then. Serena was the one being abused by the media saying that she was a one hit wonder and was the one who needed the support.

Sam L
Apr 14th, 2003, 03:28 AM
Grow up! Could you imagine the Lakers being cheered against in L.A just because they have won the past three championships? No, they have real fans who appreciate their hard work and dedication.

1. Basketball is a team sport where fans go tribal
2. Tennis is a one person sport where people can support whoever they like for whatever reason they like

I'm not sure what type of fans you guys are, but I cheer for those who deserve and earn my respect by showing they are champions.

Good for you.

I don't cheer for losers out of pity like some of you.

If they're losers that are well known playing a professional sport and traveling the world, I wanna be one too!

I do however take offense to anyone claiming that the issue of racism could EVER be blown out of propertion.

Depending on where you're from or where you're at, it can be blown out of proportions. Some imagine it to be there when it isn't -Cough- like at a tennis match.

player2
Apr 14th, 2003, 03:34 AM
kennethw is confusing rooting for the underdog with bigotry and racism.
Yes. The cheering was for the underdog. The price of being Number One is that the crowd is going to root for the other player.
Serena plays so well that when she suffers a loss it is always
a big upset and huge surprise.

This was NOT a racist thing at all.

The original poster of this thread clearly had the intention
of provoking people by making foolish statements.
Pathetic.

Tennis Fool
Apr 14th, 2003, 04:07 AM
Just throwing this out for discussion:

1. If Henin was the dominating American, and Serena the talented top 5 player from, let's say, Nigeria would the crowd be on Serena's side for being the underdog?

2.Was Chrissie (Evert) ever booed at an American event when she was dominating and being threatened by an outsider? (Some old-timers would know the answer to this)

I think this is a legitimite question (even if the questioner is annoying)...

polishprodigy
Apr 14th, 2003, 04:56 AM
Let us not confuse this with racism. Even as a Serena fan, I do get tired of the domination of the Williams sisters and do like to cheer for the underdogs (depending if I like their play or not). In this case I wanted Serena to win, but I was still happy for Justine. To say that supporting Justine was an act of racism is IGNORANT in my opinion. I think that people were cheering on Justine as they wanted a close match and were hoping that cheering for her woudl give them one. After all, a 6-2 6-2 serena win would not be what they wanted to see. The Williams domination in my opinion is really hurting the women's game as it is diminishing the great strides in depth that the womens game had gained in the last few years. So, personally, I think that supporting Henin had NOTHING to do with racism, I just think that you are taking an easy way out.

As for no american champ other than Serena and Venus, I highly doubt that. there are so many talented American youngsters out there, that Im sure one of them will win in the future. Whether that be in 5yrs or 10yrs or in 25, I sincerely doubt that an American will not win a grand slam. Now if you said Polish or Swedish, I might believe you, but American, I dont think so.