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tennischick
Mar 21st, 2003, 01:20 AM
Dinara just won the first set...:D :)

tennischick
Mar 21st, 2003, 01:21 AM
oh i forgot, the score was 6-1...LMAO!!!! :D

aussiefan83
Mar 21st, 2003, 01:24 AM
Anna up a break in the second :D thats a bit better. u might want to hold the celebrations (at least for a bit longer).

tatravoltage
Mar 21st, 2003, 01:26 AM
come on ana!!!!!!!!!

Julian
Mar 21st, 2003, 01:26 AM
I wouldn't say it's over until the last ball is struck. :)

Picol
Mar 21st, 2003, 01:26 AM
She is just about to go up 3-0.

Eggs anyone?

tennischick
Mar 21st, 2003, 01:30 AM
dammit, InjuryChick is actually fighting back! :mad:

Gowza
Mar 21st, 2003, 01:30 AM
dinara with triple bp

Steam
Mar 21st, 2003, 01:32 AM
dammit, InjuryChick is actually fighting back! :mad:

Yeah, cause Anna has never faught back in a match before. This is a first.

tennischick
Mar 21st, 2003, 01:32 AM
...Eggs anyone?

if Anna wins this match, i promise to leave ths thread up as proof of my utter shame and disgrace. happy now??? :wavey:

go Dinara!!!!!! :D :)

Gowza
Mar 21st, 2003, 01:34 AM
dinara has been doing this all year. she canes the first set and loses the second.

tennischick
Mar 21st, 2003, 01:35 AM
Yeah, cause Anna has never faught back in a match before. This is a first.

grrrrrr....yeah you're right. why did she have to pick this match to show that she can actually fight for something...:rolleyes:

aussiefan83
Mar 21st, 2003, 01:35 AM
hehehehehheehhehe-- they will all talk about her coming back from injury :rolleyes:

hmmm how would saying she is coming back from injury be wrong? despite the fact that no one has offered this explanation, it wouldnt be just another excuse because it is fact.

GO ANNA!

jojoseph
Mar 21st, 2003, 01:37 AM
if Anna wins this match, i promise to leave ths thread up as proof of my utter shame and disgrace.

well, if you got rid of the thread if she won, it was be disgraceful so yeah...

Steam
Mar 21st, 2003, 01:37 AM
hmmm how would saying she is coming back from injury wrong? despite the fact that no one has offered this explanation, it wouldnt be just another excuse because it is fact.

GO ANNA!

The answer to this should be simple. People on this board are very stupid and just like to talk out of their ass because they think they are special because they are on the winning bandwagon.

Steam
Mar 21st, 2003, 01:41 AM
This is just atrocious, she blew the 3-0 lead and its all square at 3. I wonder if Solomon will be able to find another player to coach after this failure. Come on Anna.

tennischick
Mar 21st, 2003, 01:42 AM
well, if you got rid of the thread if she won, it was be disgraceful so yeah...
yes it would. which is why the thread stays regardless.

don't tell me that Anna fans are as dumb-ass as she is? :eek:

go Dinara!!!!!! :D :)

tennischick
Mar 21st, 2003, 01:44 AM
This is just atrocious, she blew the 3-0 lead and its all square at 3. I wonder if Solomon will be able to find another player to coach after this failure. Come on Anna.

yes he will. Solomon is an excellent coach. don't judge him by La Idiota's performance...:o

Steam
Mar 21st, 2003, 01:45 AM
hmmm- surprise, surprise- its 3:3..... don't worry Steam there is ALWAYS hope that you too can be on a winning bandwagon someday..you are a fan of another tennis player right :wavey:

As I said after the Henin disaster I give her to Wimbledon to have her game in shape. If she doesn't by then, then I'm gone. It is too frustrating watching a player who has loads of talent fail to capitalize on it for varying reasons. If she doesn't turn it around by then I will find a random up and comer to hitch on to. I would just go full fledge for Eleni but that would be too easy.

~ The Leopard ~
Mar 21st, 2003, 01:45 AM
Fucking hell. (*tiredly*) Come on, Anna! Get your arse into gear, girl.

Steam
Mar 21st, 2003, 01:46 AM
yes it would. which is why the thread stays regardless.

don't tell me that Anna fans are as dumb-ass as she is? :eek:

go Dinara!!!!!! :D :)

Ok, don't judge all Anna fans based on jojo. Just like I don't judge all Williams fans on the countless morons that post on this board.

tennischick
Mar 21st, 2003, 01:48 AM
Ok, don't judge all Anna fans based on jojo. Just like I don't judge all Williams fans on the countless morons that post on this board.

fair enuf. seeing as i'm a Sure-Winna fan and all..;) ;)

Dinara serves for the match!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D :)

tennischick
Mar 21st, 2003, 01:50 AM
grrrrrrrrrrr........:mad:

tennischick
Mar 21st, 2003, 01:53 AM
yeah she is fighting which is huge for her...but Dinara will break her.

she'd better! :eek:

tennischick
Mar 21st, 2003, 01:55 AM
:D :) :D :) :D :) :D :)

need i say more...? :D :)

aussiefan83
Mar 21st, 2003, 01:57 AM
well done dinara safina

rated_next
Mar 21st, 2003, 01:57 AM
oh please ... this is her first match since AO :rolleyes:

Cybelle Darkholme
Mar 21st, 2003, 01:59 AM
well done dinara!

tennischick
Mar 21st, 2003, 02:01 AM
oh please ... this is her first match since AO :rolleyes:

yeah, start trotting out those excuses...:o

Mikey
Mar 21st, 2003, 02:04 AM
yeah, start trotting out those excuses...:o
And you jump on every opportunity to trash her :rolleyes:

Leave the girl alone.

Steam
Mar 21st, 2003, 02:05 AM
yeah, start trotting out those excuses...:o

Well, it was her first match since her loss to Henin.

However, that doesn't excuse the poor play and her choking on a 3-0 lead in the second set. She has the talent but there is just something not there that makes her capitalize on it. The sad part is that it makes the idiots who say that she is no good look right.

aussiefan83
Mar 21st, 2003, 02:06 AM
tennischick- what makes u hate anna??? because u clearly hate her, not just dislike her

is it the attention she gets? because she cant control how she looks and how much most people like her.

tennischick
Mar 21st, 2003, 02:06 AM
And you jump on every opportunity to trash her :rolleyes:

Leave the girl alone.

that's not true. i have actually defended Anna on this very board. i just didn't expect her to win tonite. in fact i was shocked that anyone did to be honest. Dinara rocks! ;) ;)

tennischick
Mar 21st, 2003, 02:09 AM
tennischick- what makes u hate anna??? because u clearly hate her, not just dislike her

is it the attention she gets? because she cant control how she looks and how much most people like her.

Lud!! where do you freaks come from? :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

i don't hate Anna. i just happen to think that she is a dumb. honestly. and i didn't expect her to beat Dinara while others clearly did. that's all. and i was right wasn't I???

BK4ever
Mar 21st, 2003, 02:10 AM
I am a huge Anna fan. I love watching her play.

But as a fan, I have to be realistic. Either Anna is not listening to Harold or Harold is being too easy on her. he said in an interview that her serve would not be like it was in Australia, but it WAS.

Her fastest serve was 92mph and her average was 73mph :eek:. That is a fucking joke

Anna is a fucking joke. If she keeps going on in the first round, I guarantee the sponsors will start making an exit.

Shit, at this rate, I would prefer that she went back to her old serve!

Crazy Canuck
Mar 21st, 2003, 02:11 AM
that's not true. i have actually defended Anna on this very board. i just didn't expect her to win tonite. in fact i was shocked that anyone did to be honest. Dinara rocks! ;) ;)
I have to agree with this... I don't really know why anybody expected Anna to beat Dinara tonight :o

kournikovafan13
Mar 21st, 2003, 02:12 AM
Damn. You know, the worst thing about ATPWorld being shut down, is that tennischick has had to come here. Ugh. Please excuse me while I vomit from her bitterness and jealous bitchiness.


However, there are no excuses for this match. Anna lost, she played like shit, end of story. It's becoming all too familiar now. I want to hear what she has to say after this match. She has to realize that something is wrong.

tennischick
Mar 21st, 2003, 02:14 AM
Damn. You know, the worst thing about ATPWorld being shut down, is that tennischick has had to come here. Ugh. Please excuse me while I vomit from her bitterness and jealous bitchiness...

wow. i had no idea you felt this way about me. now i know. thanks for your honesty.

Crazy Canuck
Mar 21st, 2003, 02:15 AM
Damn. You know, the worst thing about ATPWorld being shut down, is that tennischick has had to come here. Ugh. Please excuse me while I vomit from her bitterness and jealous bitchiness.


However, there are no excuses for this match. Anna lost, she played like shit, end of story. It's becoming all too familiar now. I want to hear what she has to say after this match. She has to realize that something is wrong.
I assume that Anna is going to say something that mirrors her other comments after matches where she got waxed. In other words, I would be surprised if she said anything different, and dont' really know why you would expect her too...

BK4ever
Mar 21st, 2003, 02:17 AM
Well the crazy and forever hopeful Anna fans (myself included) awaits the start of Charleston.

Hopefully Anna will do better there.

I think she should play qualies in Berlin & Rome just to get more match play, but I know her pride won't let her.

kournikovafan13
Mar 21st, 2003, 02:19 AM
I assume that Anna is going to say something that mirrors her other comments after matches where she got waxed. In other words, I would be surprised if she said anything different, and dont' really know why you would expect her too...

I never said I expected her to. Its called wishful thinking. Besides, SOMETHING has to click eventually. No one goes around losing matches all the time. They realize something has to change. The things Anna says after her matches is probably just a cover up for just how sad and frustrated she is. And embarrassed.

Crazy Canuck
Mar 21st, 2003, 02:20 AM
I never said I expected her to. Its called wishful thinking. Besides, SOMETHING has to click eventually. No one goes around losing matches all the time. They realize something has to change. The things Anna says after her matches is probably just a cover up for just how sad and frustrated she is. And embarrassed.
I don't disagree with you, I just don't think that she is going to say anything new or interesting after her match.

Anna should go back and come back the hard way... If Andre Agassi wasn't too good to do it, then neither is Anna.

tennischick
Mar 21st, 2003, 02:24 AM
...I think she should play qualies in Berlin & Rome just to get more match play, but I know her pride won't let her.

i don't understand (honestly) why Harold has not been able to persuade her to play some challenger events to get herself back in form. it's such an obvious intervention. *shakes head*

Steam
Mar 21st, 2003, 02:26 AM
Anna should go back and come back the hard way... If Andre Agassi wasn't too good to do it, then neither is Anna.

The odds of that happening aren't very good. What sucks about the constant injuries is that it helps cloud the fact that she has some serious issues to deal with. Continuing down the downward spiral isn't really a good way to exit.

Steam
Mar 21st, 2003, 02:27 AM
The odds of that happening aren't very good.

Now that I think about it, you never know. If you told me two years ago that Anna would be playing doubles with Dementieva I would have laughed you out of the building.

Gowza
Mar 21st, 2003, 02:34 AM
a lot of players coming back from injury won't go back to challengers and because of that they just because another player and a waste of talent.

petrova is another example at the moment of a player who was playing great before her injury but since her return hasn't got back to that top level and is also having trouble with consistency. she won't (or hasn't yet) gone back to challengers.

match practice and confidence are two of the biggest things needed in pro tennis. maybe they think that they've been to good for that level off tennis for so long that even if they won and got match practice then they wouldn't get confidence because they already think they are to good for them so they already expect to win so when they do win it doesn't give them confidence because it is expected. plus there is less pressure and the competition isn't as tough so maybe they think the match play won't help the parts of their game that need help which is dealing with things like pressure.

but i think it is stupid not to go back to challengers or at least play a couple of them where they go deep into the tournament.

Messenger
Mar 21st, 2003, 02:37 AM
I don't disagree with you, I just don't think that she is going to say anything new or interesting after her match.

Anna should go back and come back the hard way... If Andre Agassi wasn't too good to do it, then neither is Anna.

Not to mention Iva Majoli, a Grand Slam champion.

BK4ever
Mar 21st, 2003, 02:40 AM
Anna doesnt necessarily need to go back to Challengers. She needs to suck up her pride and play qualies, instead of taking all these WC's and the risk of drawing top players in the first round.

But the great and popular Anna Kournikova is way too good for Qualies :rolleyes:

Gowza
Mar 21st, 2003, 02:42 AM
personally i don't think qualies will do much good for Anna unless they are at an event like indian wells or miami where the players in the qualies are so lowly ranked (compared to other tier 1's) due to the big draw.

i just think Anna needs to go and play some MD tier 4 and 5's.

rated_next
Mar 21st, 2003, 02:45 AM
tennischick: i'm not a fan of anna - but most players who come back from such a long injury usually do not start winning right away, especially in a tier I tournament

Garbin came back since the AO - she lost
Mikaelian will have troubles as well.

tennischick
Mar 21st, 2003, 02:52 AM
tennischick: i'm not a fan of anna - but most players who come back from such a long injury usually do not start winning right away, especially in a tier I tournament

Garbin came back since the AO - she lost
Mikaelian will have troubles as well.

and i DIDN'T expect her to win against Dinara. so we actually agree.

but i do concede that my reasons for expecting her to lose tonite had nothing to do with her coming off injury. Lindsay just came off an injury and she made it to the finals of Indian Wells. Anna comes off injury and loses in the first round to a player who only recently joined the tour.

the problem is not just her injury-proneness. i'm sure that Solomon would agree.

BK4ever
Mar 21st, 2003, 02:53 AM
Anna already tried playing lower level tournaments and still didnt win any of them.

rated_next...that excuse is lame, Anna has been injured alot, so she should be used to coming back after long layoffs. Davenport and Chanda were out for months and they got right back into it, thats what top players do.

Anna's problem is not match play, its her game. If she lost her matches playing decent tennis, then you could give her a break, but she is playing shit tennis. Even last year when she was healthy her year was spotty and she made excuses the entire year. Gimme a fucking break, how much time does one need.

kournikovafan13
Mar 21st, 2003, 02:58 AM
Lindsay just came off an injury and she made it to the finals of Indian Wells. Anna comes off injury and loses in the first round to a player who only recently joined the tour.

Well, Lindsay wasn't injured after she won Tokyo as far as I know, plus, if she was, it wasn't her first tournament back - she lost in the second round of Scottsdale.

But Lindsay DID come back after a very serious injury last year and immediately made it to the semi-finals of Stanford, so no, Anna's injury is not really that much of an excuse.

tennischick
Mar 21st, 2003, 03:10 AM
*sigh*

sorry if i gave the impression that Lindsay won the first tourny she played right after returning from injury. i didn't mean to. my point only was that injury is not a valid excuse for Anna's string of losses.

ESPN is going to have a field day with this..:o

1jackson2001
Mar 21st, 2003, 08:02 AM
I though ESPN was pro-Anna...

irma
Mar 21st, 2003, 08:15 AM
it's bad that she gets injured all the time but please there are more things then just that :o

apoet29
Mar 21st, 2003, 01:21 PM
The real question is 'What is Soloman doing with her?" She has not improved one bit since they began working together with the exception of three weeks of decent tennis (Stanford, San Diego, Shanghai). Yes, she is an injury prone player, but she has been pro long enough to overcome such obstacles. BK4Ever is right. Anna's tennis is terrible. There is no way that she should have lost that match so easily, especially when she has a top coach working with her.

BTW, I don't agree with those who blame Enrique Iglesias for Anna's tennis problems. Anna is responsible for what she does on the court, not her parents, boyfriends or countless hangers-on.

tennischick
Mar 21st, 2003, 02:28 PM
good points apoet. i guess i've always had the highest regard for Harold bec i know what he did for and with Jen. in fact i was quite excited when he linked up with Anna and i thought that finally we will start seeing some results.

i can only assume that Anna plays one way when she is in practice and then goes completely blank once she gets on court. in which case she needs some "head" help.

GBFH
Mar 21st, 2003, 03:03 PM
You can pull out the tired excuse, "Shaq hits his freethrows in practice." (I hate basketball, and have no idea if he makes them now. It's the first thing to come to mind.)

I knew Anna wouldn't win....there really isn't an excuse for it. Seems like she just wanted to get the hell out of there. But good luck in doubles, Anna.

the cat
Mar 21st, 2003, 03:43 PM
TC sure stirred the pot with this thread! :eek:

TC, why do you have such high regard for Harold Solomon as a coach? I used to. But my regard for him has diminished somewhat because of his atrocious results with Anna Kournikova. Did her talent just dissappear? I think not. And I thought Harold would definately help her mental game. But I was wrong. The question is this: Is it time for Anna to find another coach? Besides, Solomon's main interest coaching wise will soon be the outstanding American junior boy Brendan Evans.

I know Solomon helped Capriati. But how much? Didn't Capriati start winning after she and Solomon parted ways?

And Anna needs a few tournaments to try to find her lost form. If she's not playing well by Eastbourne, I'll be very worried! :eek: