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JonBcn
Mar 19th, 2003, 09:14 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/tennis/2866235.stm

France's Emilie Loit lost her first round match to Australia's Nicole Pratt at the Nasdaq Open in Florida.

The French player, who suffered a 5-7 6-2 6-2 defeat, was also subjected to heckling and boos from the home crowd because of her nation's anti-war stance.

Loit, who has professed her own opposition to the war, did not resent the treatment she received.

"There's nothing I can do. I'm a player on tour and I have to try and play good tennis," said Loit.

Loit, who supports the French governments resistance to war "because I'm against violence", said she felt comfortable here but has some fears about her safety travelling the world on the WTA Tour.

"I'm afraid to take a flight.

"I'm going to take a car, drive to the next tournaments. But it will be difficult not to fly home."

Myskina Lina
Mar 19th, 2003, 09:16 PM
Those booing fans have no class, like in IW when some fans booed Serena

Mercury Rising
Mar 19th, 2003, 09:16 PM
Stupid crowd :mad:

Venus Forever
Mar 19th, 2003, 09:17 PM
I don't know how you boo someone for their country's stand on an issue.

Terrible.:mad:

I, from the US, am against war.:rolleyes:

GoDominique
Mar 19th, 2003, 09:17 PM
Very poor. What else can you say ? :rolleyes:

exoneuk
Mar 19th, 2003, 09:17 PM
Any fan of tennis who boos at a tennis player, regardless of nationality, is not a fan... that's just aggravation... :(

Volcana
Mar 19th, 2003, 09:18 PM
as far as I'm concerned, anyone who booed her over that is know-nothing scum.

King Lindsay
Mar 19th, 2003, 09:19 PM
it's unfortunate, but at least she didn't fan the flames by bashing the crowd.

Hurley
Mar 19th, 2003, 09:20 PM
Well...I'm shocked.

Seles_Beckham
Mar 19th, 2003, 09:20 PM
I can't beleive this, poor Emilie, she is a tennis player and being booed because she is from France and France says NO to war is S T U P I D...

JE SUIS FIER DE PARLER FRANÇAIS ET J'AIME LA FRANCE CAR ELLE SONGE AUX PEUPLES ET PAS SEULEMT A SON PROFIT COMME LES ETATS-UNIS

BONNE CHANCE À EMILIE DANS LE PROCHAIN TOURNOIS. :)

Hurley
Mar 19th, 2003, 09:21 PM
Oh God...Marion is playing Ally Baker right now. We all know Marion is an over-emotional player to begin with...

If they get on her case and she self-destructs... :mad:

JonBcn
Mar 19th, 2003, 09:21 PM
Its really sad that someone can be booed simply for being from a certain country, and only goes to show how ignorant certain sections are society are about this whole issue.
Roland Garros should be interesting if this continues...

blue249
Mar 19th, 2003, 09:24 PM
Its really sad that someone can be booed simply for being from a certain country, and only goes to show how ignorant certain sections are society are about this whole issue.
Roland Garros should be interesting if this continues...


Horrible - no one should be made to feel uncomfortable -

Hawk
Mar 19th, 2003, 09:25 PM
That is really sad...some people :rolleyes:

maccardel
Mar 19th, 2003, 09:25 PM
So how is she gonna get back to France if she doesn't fly? She's gonna take a boat?

I imagine that the fear to fly came about because of Sept.11th and that is why the USA is adament about the war. Maybe if France can support us in ridding the world of this fear then she will feel safe to fly.


I think the boos came about because of her stance on the war issue....keep your mouth shut next time......maybe she could get to france by train...oh I forgot it goes through England huh?..maybe by way of spain?...oh yeah I forgot...

oh well......too bad...If she hated violence then she would have freely traveled the world...why can't she? because of violence.Case closed.

ptkten
Mar 19th, 2003, 09:25 PM
I'm surprised....and really disappointed. I expect better from my fellow Americans but I guess a certain percentage are too shallow to even recognize that politics has no place in sports.

It's getting downright absurd with the french bashing in this country. From this American, though, I just have to say, that France is my favorite country outside the U.S. It's a great place to visit, was a lot of fun, and my dad works there and I know a lot of french people and they're really nice so I'm disappointed that some Americans right now are taking it out on them.

Rocketta
Mar 19th, 2003, 09:26 PM
i wonder why is anyone shocked when people will boo someone cause they are mad at what their sister did? Seems to me if someone can understand that frustration and anger then why not this?

Having said that I totally think they were complete idiots but Williams fans have been saying that about the majority of American crowds all along now haven't we. :sad: :sad:

Tratree
Mar 19th, 2003, 09:27 PM
Totally uncool. Hopefully a) this won't happen all week and b) the French players won't boycott Miami in the future because they were booed

vaiva
Mar 19th, 2003, 09:28 PM
Roland Garros should be interesting if this continues...

I'd rather have a boring RG in this case

But it is very disappointing to see that such shortsighted people are tennis fans.

Venus Forever
Mar 19th, 2003, 09:28 PM
I bet the article exaggerated a bit. I wonder how bad it really was though. For all we know, it may been just a few people.

Hurley
Mar 19th, 2003, 09:28 PM
So far so good for Marion...

I know I'm being selfish here, but I really want Marion to win this match, and she definitely should, and if some fuckers ruin it for her... :mad:

Pureracket
Mar 19th, 2003, 09:28 PM
Remember, this is the elite, pristine, sport that we all brag about. Just like when Venus and Serena were booed, the people doing it were probably of the upper/middle class economic echelon. I just think that that's very ironic.

ys
Mar 19th, 2003, 09:30 PM
Totally uncool. Hopefully a) this won't happen all week and b) the French players won't boycott Miami in the future because they were booed

a) will happen, you can't filter out all idiots from coming to the stadium..
b) won't happen, because the French people tend to have a good sense of humour..

Pureracket
Mar 19th, 2003, 09:30 PM
i wonder why is anyone shocked when people will boo someone cause they are mad at what their sister did? Seems to me if someone can understand that frustration and anger then why not this?

Having said that I totally think they were complete idiots but Williams fans have been saying that about the majority of American crowds all along now haven't we. :sad: :sad:
Nice!!!!!

switz
Mar 19th, 2003, 09:32 PM
So how is she gonna get back to France if she doesn't fly? She's gonna take a boat?

I imagine that the fear to fly came about because of Sept.11th and that is why the USA is adament about the war. Maybe if France can support us in ridding the world of this fear then she will feel safe to fly.


I think the boos came about because of her stance on the war issue....keep your mouth shut next time......maybe she could get to france by train...oh I forgot it goes through England huh?..maybe by way of spain?...oh yeah I forgot...

oh well......too bad...If she hated violence then she would have freely traveled the world...why can't she? because of violence.Case closed.

i feel really sorry for you. there is no point saying anymore because i see the futility of arguing with people like yourself

Monica_Rules
Mar 19th, 2003, 09:32 PM
American crowds:rolleyes:

Halardfan
Mar 19th, 2003, 09:36 PM
Some people are dreadful idiots. Its not helped by the media who just stoke all this rubbish hope.

Good job JHD isn't around to have this happen to her...Id have to give the people doing it a slapping...

Hurley
Mar 19th, 2003, 09:36 PM
6-0 Marion. Allez.

I'm sick to my stomach. I hope she's okay. :(

korben
Mar 19th, 2003, 09:41 PM
Best punisment to that crowd is that all other french have won today.

Llodra,Lisnard,Escude and Saulnier. Plus Bartoli very likely.

Infiniti2001
Mar 19th, 2003, 09:41 PM
:o What a bunch of losers!!! These people sould be ashamed of themselves.UGH! :fiery: :devil: :mad:

Hurley
Mar 19th, 2003, 09:42 PM
If Marion can close this match out, she will play Seles. I may be in attendance for that match. If they heckle her, I will heckle them.

6-0 2-0 Marion. Keep your focus. :(

gweeny
Mar 19th, 2003, 09:44 PM
I am not suprised that some fans booed. Many americans are just pure arrogrant.It's there way or no other way. If they are able to disown the country singer sweethearts, the Dixie chicks,they wiill do the same for a foreigner. My fear is that French and Arabs living in America are going to be targeted too.

Very shameful, show some respect.

tennischick
Mar 19th, 2003, 09:45 PM
i wish she had won the match just to stick it to those idiots. i am so embarassed by this. :(

tennisIlove09
Mar 19th, 2003, 09:46 PM
:eek: :eek: :eek: I'm stunned.

Is Marion winning 60 20, or is she down 06 02?

propi
Mar 19th, 2003, 09:46 PM
this so stupid
Marion is taking revenge

Hurley
Mar 19th, 2003, 09:47 PM
God, are they going to boo Mauresmo?

I hope it was just a few isolated losers. I want to hear reports from the Escude match and the Bartoli match.

If they got booed too...I may have been too quick to defend US crowds. :(

Hurley
Mar 19th, 2003, 09:47 PM
Marion leads 6-0 3-0...

vs1
Mar 19th, 2003, 09:48 PM
This is so disgusting. WHY go to a match and watch an opponent play if all you're going to do is harass her? Why not channel your energy into something useful and productive. I don't understand human beings sometimes. Emelie is a tennis player. She went there to do her job. People who go watch her should enjoy the match and be civil. There's no place for booing.

I was sad and shocked at the crowd in IW. I am sad to hear about the Miami crowd. No one should boo players. Period.

selesadmirer
Mar 19th, 2003, 09:51 PM
She didn't deserve to get booed.

Hurley
Mar 19th, 2003, 09:51 PM
6-0 4-0.

Marion is a bit of a bitch ;) so if the crowd is on her, it could spur her on even more...but if she goes over the edge she'll collapse and blow it. I've seen it happen.

I just hope she can win two more games and get off the fucking court.

*JR*
Mar 19th, 2003, 09:52 PM
It will get real interesting when Momo plays because of her well known "sesitivity". And even if it's 3 or 4 days till the war starts, she should still be around. On the other hand, her childhood buddy Nathalie Dechy could probably play through the vilest chanting imaginable and be totally oblivious to it. Mary obviously decided to get/stay "out of Dodge" B4 the event period.

Dennis
Mar 19th, 2003, 09:54 PM
So how is she gonna get back to France if she doesn't fly? She's gonna take a boat?

I imagine that the fear to fly came about because of Sept.11th and that is why the USA is adament about the war. Maybe if France can support us in ridding the world of this fear then she will feel safe to fly.


I think the boos came about because of her stance on the war issue....keep your mouth shut next time......maybe she could get to france by train...oh I forgot it goes through England huh?..maybe by way of spain?...oh yeah I forgot...

oh well......too bad...If she hated violence then she would have freely traveled the world...why can't she? because of violence.Case closed.
I can understand now why America has Bush as president. No surprise at all if people stupid like you maccardull elected him.The rest of the world is not naive to believe everything Bush says. We know that all that matters to him is oil, regardless of how meny people of Iraq will be killled.

WtaTour4Ever
Mar 19th, 2003, 09:54 PM
Thats horrible....I'm not surprised though...you can't be in the land of Dubya with out being Pro-War, what the hell is wrong with that girl.

But seriously I read about some golfer from France that was boo-ed too.

Hurley
Mar 19th, 2003, 09:54 PM
Marion saved a break point here...she needs to stay strong.

Brian Stewart
Mar 19th, 2003, 09:55 PM
More boorish behavior from the "upper class". Hopefully this is just a small percentage of the crowd. It's shameful, but not all that surprising.

France's leaders don't support our push for war? So what? A sizeable chunk of the American public don't either. Is everyone of certain nationalities to be harassed because of the decisions of their leaders? I'd sure hate to be judged so.

Hurley
Mar 19th, 2003, 09:58 PM
Marion stayed strong through a long game! 6-0 5-0! :D

I feel terrible rooting so strongly against Ally Baker. She's a very nice girl. But Marion has to win this match.

maccardel
Mar 19th, 2003, 09:59 PM
i feel really sorry for you. there is no point saying anymore because i see the futility of arguing with people like yourself

Don't feel sorry for me. I think iof you want to address politics then expect a response and don't get scary shit if you don't like the response. Anyone with half a brain would know that this is hot issue and to say it in America is asking for an unfriendly response......what's your point?

Try walking in an abortion clinic and spewing your anti abortion rhetoric.......what do you think will happen? What do you think will happen in this case? Do you think Americans will all stand up and say Emilie is right stop the war!!!!!!!!..Alot of Americans lost their lives on Sept 11th and this is a touchy issue that people are going to be very passionate about....sorry it happened to her but she should use better judgement next time.....we all have those moments. Hopefully this is the last time we see something like this....

I think the time for the french to voice their opinions is long time gone..they were lucky enough not to lose anyone on september 11th...and only the french can travel around and feel safe in the world...well lucky them.....

Also if you read my previous posts on this issue, you will notice that I have a certain stance on the war but is compelled to be loyal to my adopted country since I took a honor of oath to defend and protect it.....I will not renign on it for anyone ...my days of saying it's not right no longer matters anymore since we are at a different level now......too bad if everyone wants to sit and comment on the situation and then shit bricks when their freedom is compromise and yet won't even pick up a weapon to defend their beliefs....she is afraid to travel and fly?....good for her ass....that is why the USA is going to war for her ass to feel safe to travel again and yet she has the fucking gall to say she is against violence...then she shouldn't tell us she is afraid to travel.....stand for something or you will fall for anything....

spencercarlos
Mar 19th, 2003, 09:59 PM
This is really a SHAME for the US people who did it.
Loit has nothing to do with that and even she supports her contry´s stand or not sports and political things should not be mixed.

Hurley
Mar 19th, 2003, 10:02 PM
Uh. Remember when I was sick to my stomach worrying about Marion?

Yeah. 6-0 6-0. :o

Hurley
Mar 19th, 2003, 10:03 PM
LOL...she's probably getting booed NOW... ;)

korben
Mar 19th, 2003, 10:03 PM
HAHA Marion bageled the yank :)

Take that , stupid crowd :bounce:

(nothing agains Ally)

King Lindsay
Mar 19th, 2003, 10:06 PM
the division between france, germany, russia and america and britain over iraq has certainly poisoned relations for years to come. it's more than just a disagreement, it is personal. but why is it personal? because the bush government has let morons like donald rumsfeld pop off and trash france, so now it's become national policy to be anti-france. i realize there has been mudslinging on both sides, but to my knowledge, neither jacques chirac, dominique de villepen (terrible spelling, i know. make fun of me. ;) ), or other high-profile members of that government haven't been lowering themselves to the comments made by some high-ranking members of the bush administration.

so that's why stuff like this is happening. americans are taking their cue from their leaders. some of them, anyway.

cooolconchita
Mar 19th, 2003, 10:07 PM
i feel sorry for the american posters here as there country is vast becoming the worst fans in the world, first IW now this, it's disgusting, heaven forbid emilie should be against bombing innocent civilians so the western world can have oil - selfish bi%ch!

WELL DONE EMILIE! YOUR RESPONSE OOZED CLASS! (more than that crowd! :mad: )

Hurley
Mar 19th, 2003, 10:07 PM
Yeah, a lot of entertainers (DJ's, talk show hosts, etc.) are being really dumb about it. Morons, morons, morons.

ttaM
Mar 19th, 2003, 10:07 PM
Loit-vs-Pratt, that must have been a packed court.

Monica got booed a few years back when she got double bageled by Hingis here.

Booing isn't anything new. And it's not strictly related to American crowds. There have been French crowds that have been loud and obnoxious to players, and I'm sure others as well.

I expect there to be some more booing with other players. This whole war thing just seems to be taking over everyones emotions. You don't have to look any further than this board to see that.


:wavey:

JonBcn
Mar 19th, 2003, 10:08 PM
LOL...she's probably getting booed NOW... ;)

Haha. Good show, Marion :worship:

Jordan.
Mar 19th, 2003, 10:09 PM
OMG poor Loit :sad:

maccardel
Mar 19th, 2003, 10:12 PM
I can understand now why America has Bush as president. No surprise at all if people stupid like you maccardull elected him.The rest of the world is not naive to believe everything Bush says. We know that all that matters to him is oil, regardless of how meny people of Iraq will be killled.


People like me elected Bush?....I am democratic you idiot!

But there is something we call patriotism. Read up on it. It no longer matters what Bush says or what his agenda is but the country at war will have my full support no matter what since I myself is in the military, my brother and my cousins are in the military....I used to work on the 24the floor of the World Trade Center so .........I am supporting my country no matter what and supporting my coiuntry doesn't mean I am supporting Bush..........You fucking people wanna sit and complain about the world ain't safe no more and then when your asses get blown up because of some suicidal terrorist then you moan and weep...somebody gotta be bold enough to stop this shit....thank god people like you don't run this world...we would all be living in fear everyday. NOT ME COS THAT IS NOT THE AMERICAN WAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So take your rhetoric elsewhere and kiss Sadam's ass......opinions no longer matter....actions are all that count from this point on.

Hurley
Mar 19th, 2003, 10:15 PM
Booing isn't anything new. And it's not strictly related to American crowds. There have been French crowds that have been loud and obnoxious to players, and I'm sure others as well.


I've been saying this in the various threads about booing that have popped up since the Roddick-Grosjean match last week.

But when a French player gets booed by an American crowd while playing an Australian, something is up.

Jakub
Mar 19th, 2003, 10:17 PM
OMG What an idiotic crowd pffff :fiery:

Burberry
Mar 19th, 2003, 10:19 PM
Take some formal education plz.... U stupid American Crowds!!!!

Poor Loit... She didn't deserve this!!!

Now.... wonder what will happen to any other French players??? :(

brickhousesupporter
Mar 19th, 2003, 10:20 PM
I am shocked and appaulled by the crowds behavior. There is no excuse for the booing. I am planning on attending this tournament and I hope that I am not sitting next to any morons.

Infiniti2001
Mar 19th, 2003, 10:21 PM
:mad: When was the last time an Iraqi blew himself up to kill others?? Why not go after the country where 17 of the 19 terrorist came from ???
Saddam and his sons are fucking evil, but it is not up to the U.S. to remove him. This is not a war, it 's an unprovoked bully mugging-- and anyone who doesn't see that is simply blind. Then again maybe the idiot who is running this country is trying to clean up the mess his daddy started with "mr I don't recall himself" (reagan) . They are the ones who created Saddam. :fiery: :o

Iconoclast
Mar 19th, 2003, 10:25 PM
...but to my knowledge, neither jacques chirac, dominique de villepen (terrible spelling, i know. make fun of me. ;) ), or other high-profile members of that government haven't been lowering themselves to the comments made by some high-ranking members of the bush administration.
Not sure about that. I think the low point of the diplomatic struggle leading up to the war was Chirac's insistence that a number of Eastern European countries 'missed a great opportunity to keep quiet' after they signed a letter supportive of the United States. The French president accused them of "infantile behavior" and made it clear that it would take only one country to block the EU enlargement.

Leading French daily "Liberation" took him to task for these emotional outbursts, labelling them as "arrogance". Acerbic remarks are not exclusive to the U.S. Secretary of Defense.

Not that this have any bearing on the misplaced booing Loit had to endure, although the severity is still unknown.

Crazy Canuck
Mar 19th, 2003, 10:25 PM
I'm not surprised - there are always idiots in teh crowd, and this is hardly isolated to America.

It will be interesting to see if there are a few idiots in the French crowds who do the same as some form of retaliation - I won't be surprised if a few do, which would make them no better.

Anyhow, it sucks, but it's not like every American in the crowd was doing it. Just keep that in mind..

maccardel
Mar 19th, 2003, 10:27 PM
:mad: When was the last time an Iraqi blew himself up to kill others?? Why not go after the country where 17 of the 19 terrorist came from ???
Saddam and his sons are fucking evil, but it is not up to the U.S. to remove him. This is not a war, it 's an unprovoked bully mugging-- and anyone who doesn't see that is simply blind. Then again maybe the idiot who is running this country is trying to clean up the mess his daddy started with "mr I don't recall himself" (reagan) . They are the ones who created Saddam. :fiery: :o


This is one of the last posts I am gonna post in this thread cos I hate trying to let idiots see my point when they haven't experience it first hand and see people falling dead in front of them.......people who you work with everyday and got to know personal.

My point of view is gonna be more passionate which I acknowledge and I do apologize for the name calling and the intense responses but Iraq has been a supporter of terrorism and admits to it.....they say that they supported Al-Qaeda and no one said anything about it

leslie
Mar 19th, 2003, 10:28 PM
Hell, the Americans booed Venus when she played against mauresmo at the US Open '02, I did not see anyone defending Venus in a tread. Big deal that she was booed. It serves the Americans right they should learn to root for their own, now the French turned against them. Ha Ha.

Caz
Mar 19th, 2003, 10:29 PM
I imagine that the fear to fly came about because of Sept.11th and that is why the USA is adament about the war. Maybe if France can support us in ridding the world of this fear then she will feel safe to fly.


I think the boos came about because of her stance on the war issue....keep your mouth shut next time......maybe she could get to france by train...oh I forgot it goes through England huh?..maybe by way of spain?...oh yeah I forgot...

oh well......too bad...If she hated violence then she would have freely traveled the world...why can't she? because of violence.Case closed.

Of she shouldn't keep her mouth shut. It's called freedom of expression. I, personally, am 100% anti-war, (and pretty ashamed to be British at this moment in time), but if the situation were reversed, I certainly would not, under any circumstances, endorse a crowd booing a player because they were pro-war. Everybody should be entitled to express their own opinion without fear of reprisals, whatever it may be, whether or not the crowd or its' country agrees with them.

Bonne chance Emilie dans les prochains tournois!

Tennis Fool
Mar 19th, 2003, 10:36 PM
Don't feel sorry for me. I think iof you want to address politics then expect a response and don't get scary shit if you don't like the response. Anyone with half a brain would know that this is hot issue and to say it in America is asking for an unfriendly response......what's your point?

Try walking in an abortion clinic and spewing your anti abortion rhetoric.......what do you think will happen? What do you think will happen in this case? Do you think Americans will all stand up and say Emilie is right stop the war!!!!!!!!..Alot of Americans lost their lives on Sept 11th and this is a touchy issue that people are going to be very passionate about....sorry it happened to her but she should use better judgement next time.....we all have those moments. Hopefully this is the last time we see something like this....

I think the time for the french to voice their opinions is long time gone..they were lucky enough not to lose anyone on september 11th...and only the french can travel around and feel safe in the world...well lucky them.....

Also if you read my previous posts on this issue, you will notice that I have a certain stance on the war but is compelled to be loyal to my adopted country since I took a honor of oath to defend and protect it.....I will not renign on it for anyone ...my days of saying it's not right no longer matters anymore since we are at a different level now......too bad if everyone wants to sit and comment on the situation and then shit bricks when their freedom is compromise and yet won't even pick up a weapon to defend their beliefs....she is afraid to travel and fly?....good for her ass....that is why the USA is going to war for her ass to feel safe to travel again and yet she has the fucking gall to say she is against violence...then she shouldn't tell us she is afraid to travel.....stand for something or you will fall for anything....

Mac, fellow New Yorker, in my estimation a true patriot is one who can dissent without fear of retribution from the government. To go along with the views of the President just because you're an American is undemocratic.

Hurley
Mar 19th, 2003, 10:37 PM
Hell, the Americans booed Venus when she played against mauresmo at the US Open '02, I did not see anyone defending Venus in a tread. Big deal that she was booed. It serves the Americans right they should learn to root for their own, now the French turned against them. Ha Ha.

Venus wasn't booed in that match. Amelie was cheered. God forbid people cheer for players not necessarily from their own country.

Anyway, I only saw A BILLION threads defending and/or supporting Venus after that.

ys
Mar 19th, 2003, 10:39 PM
To go along with the views of the President just because you're an American is undemocratic.

To go against the views of the President just because his views and himself are unpopular is immature..

Tennis Fool
Mar 19th, 2003, 10:41 PM
To go against the views of the President just because his views and himself are unpopular is immature..

Okay...THAT makes sense:rolleyes:

So you're saying patriotism is immature???

baleineau
Mar 19th, 2003, 10:43 PM
Don't feel sorry for me. I think iof you want to address politics then expect a response and don't get scary shit if you don't like the response. Anyone with half a brain would know that this is hot issue and to say it in America is asking for an unfriendly response......what's your point?

i thought America was supposed to be the beacon of freedom of expression without fear of intimidation or harassment??? Of course it happens, but you seem to condone it :rolleyes:

Try walking in an abortion clinic and spewing your anti abortion rhetoric.......what do you think will happen? What do you think will happen in this case? Do you think Americans will all stand up and say Emilie is right stop the war!!!!!!!!..Alot of Americans lost their lives on Sept 11th and this is a touchy issue that people are going to be very passionate about....sorry it happened to her but she should use better judgement next time.....we all have those moments. Hopefully this is the last time we see something like this....

Why make a connection with September 11th and this military action against Iraq? If people are so touchy and sensitive, then they may be reassured to know that despite spending billions on national security and intelligence, the US have failed to show any link between Saddam and September 11th.

I think the time for the french to voice their opinions is long time gone..they were lucky enough not to lose anyone on september 11th...and only the french can travel around and feel safe in the world...well lucky them.....

The French deal with terrorism as well, and their foreign policy leaves a lot to be desired. I am against military action right now because I don't think the threat is severe enough to warrant pre-emptive action without international support. Bush/Blair knew in the end that they couldn't be sure of even nine votes on the security council, no matter how many corrupt/immoral bribes that put on the table.

Also if you read my previous posts on this issue, you will notice that I have a certain stance on the war but is compelled to be loyal to my adopted country since I took a honor of oath to defend and protect it.....I will not renign on it for anyone ...my days of saying it's not right no longer matters anymore since we are at a different level now......too bad if everyone wants to sit and comment on the situation and then shit bricks when their freedom is compromise and yet won't even pick up a weapon to defend their beliefs....she is afraid to travel and fly?....good for her ass....that is why the USA is going to war for her ass to feel safe to travel again and yet she has the fucking gall to say she is against violence...then she shouldn't tell us she is afraid to travel.....stand for something or you will fall for anything....

violence breeds violence. do a little reading, eh?

:rolleyes:

ys
Mar 19th, 2003, 10:43 PM
So you're saying patriotism is immature???

First, where did I say that? Second, define "patriotism" in terms of difference from, say, "nationalism" or "chauvinism"..

Tennis Fool
Mar 19th, 2003, 10:46 PM
First, where did I say that? Second, define "patriotism" in terms of difference from, say, "nationalism" or "chauvinism"..

Reread my post and your reply and all of your questions will be answered :wavey:

ys
Mar 19th, 2003, 10:54 PM
Reread my post and your reply and all of your questions will be answered

You are confusing me completely.. I would understand your definition of patriotism, if it would be applied to Iraqi people and their patriotism, but speaking about some "retribution from government" and "fear of it" in a country like USA makes very little sense.. I am completely confused, especially linking it to "patriotism". Complete abrakadabra..

Volcana
Mar 19th, 2003, 10:58 PM
It's time for the tournament organizers to make a statement, and suggest that this reflects poorly on America, which it does. And if it happens again, post signs at the ticket booths suggesting the possibility of ejections for disruptive behaviour. (They don't have to actually eject anyone unless they just won't shut up.)

graf630
Mar 19th, 2003, 10:59 PM
I am ashamed at this time to say I am an american. :o
There was no call for the booing today.Poor Emilie.
Unfortunatly there are alot of idoits in the U.S. Hopefully this crowd stays home the rest of the tournament. :fiery:
I am against the war and I did not vote for Bush.But I knew when he was voted into office this was going to happen.We were lucky this didn't happen when his daddy was the Prez.

I hope no one thinks all americans are like this.There are alot of good people in the U.S.It is a shame a few have to make everyone else look bad! :angel:

ys
Mar 19th, 2003, 11:02 PM
It's time for the tournament organizers to make a statement, and suggest that this reflects poorly on America, which it does. And if it happens again, post signs at the ticket booths suggesting the possibility of ejections for disruptive behaviour. (They don't have to actually eject anyone unless they just won't shut up.)

Bullshit. As long as crowd keeps silence during the points and do not shout offenses to players, they can do whatever they want. Booing is a part of the game. Legal part of the game.

venusfan
Mar 19th, 2003, 11:02 PM
That is just sick and pathetic.. and very disrespectful. That Dogface president Bush.. cant wait to not vote for him next election.

Andre@
Mar 19th, 2003, 11:07 PM
It's a shame!!!! :o

magassi
Mar 19th, 2003, 11:09 PM
I am willing to bet that most Americans couldn't locate France on a map, much less Iraq. Loit only expressed her anti-war stance after the match (and in response to a question), and after she was booed. She didn't stand before a crowd and make a statement. If I remember correctly, America was found on dissent and speaking/acting out against what you feel is unjust. Otherwise, we'd still be a British colony.

Dennis
Mar 19th, 2003, 11:12 PM
[QUOTE='maccardel']People like me elected Bush?....I am democratic you idiot!

But there is something we call patriotism.


You are such a great patriot maccardull. If Bush would ask you to kill yourself, you would probbably do that. Becouse you are a patriot!
What has Iraq to do with the Sept 11th ?!!!
Who cares if thousends and thousends of innocent children in Iraq will be killed?! Certenly not you.
Life on Manhattan is more important than life in Bagdad, anyway !

venusfan
Mar 19th, 2003, 11:13 PM
Excuse me but I take that Geography thing seriously and I find that to be Very offensive. Sure some of us could care less about France and where it's located but most of us know it's located somewhere in Europe.

King Lindsay
Mar 19th, 2003, 11:16 PM
acerbic remarks may not be exclusive to the U.S. Secretary of Defense, but given his recent passion for them, could i be forgiven for thinking they were? ;)

alright, i do recall chirac lashing out against those ten european countries after the letter of support undermined him badly. but confining this to strictly American-Old Eur .... i mean, French relations, whose conduct has been worse?

i'm just saying, the bush government has made it clear that they condone france-bashing so it's only natural that some members of the general population would follow their lead.

Leena
Mar 19th, 2003, 11:17 PM
I'm for having this war... but this is totally uncalled for by these fans. Booing someone for being French is simply idiotic.

King Lindsay
Mar 19th, 2003, 11:17 PM
Excuse me but I take that Geography thing seriously and I find that to be Very offensive. Sure some of us could care less about France and where it's located but most of us know it's located somewhere in Europe.

well, then how could he suggest that most americans don't know where france is!!! doesn't he know most of them could tell us it's somewhere in europe!!! the ignorance!

Bright Red
Mar 19th, 2003, 11:28 PM
It's time for the tournament organizers to make a statement, and suggest that this reflects poorly on America, which it does. And if it happens again, post signs at the ticket booths suggesting the possibility of ejections for disruptive behaviour. (They don't have to actually eject anyone unless they just won't shut up.)

Exactly. I knew I'd find my opinion in this thread eventually.


Booing in and of itself isn't too terrible. Players, linesmen, and chair umpires get it all the time. It goes with the turf. However, in cases such as Loit at this tourney and Serena at IW, booing is totally unjustified. The tourney should address it and toss some people out on their hineys.

c2
Mar 19th, 2003, 11:29 PM
ridiculous. Anyone who booed should be ashamed of themselves! What's poor Emilie supposed to do??

ys
Mar 19th, 2003, 11:30 PM
The tourney should address it and toss some people out on their hineys.
Based on what? For violation of which rule would you toss those people out?

rated_next
Mar 19th, 2003, 11:40 PM
Poor Emilie :sad:

maccardel
Mar 19th, 2003, 11:40 PM
Of she shouldn't keep her mouth shut. It's called freedom of expression. I, personally, am 100% anti-war, (and pretty ashamed to be British at this moment in time), but if the situation were reversed, I certainly would not, under any circumstances, endorse a crowd booing a player because they were pro-war. Everybody should be entitled to express their own opinion without fear of reprisals, whatever it may be, whether or not the crowd or its' country agrees with them.

Bonne chance Emilie dans les prochains tournois!

Ok did you read my other posts or did you just clicked on the reply button under this one?...I am not for booing anyone as you can tell by the thread I satrted days ago but I was saying being it's a hot topic she should have some kinda awareness of the response and her nationality made it even worse...the wta should inform players of the responses that will enrage the crowd..

You wanna come to a country and exercise "your freedom" to speak when your own country can't even stand up for freedom because of investments in another country...ok...like I said before, this will be the last of my posts in this thread......I hope the war ends soon and the world gets back to being the way it was prior to sept 11th.

Crazy Canuck
Mar 19th, 2003, 11:40 PM
Based on what? For violation of which rule would you toss those people out?
Apparently you missed out on the conversation where he and Volcana were discussion that rules of this sort should be set in place

maccardel
Mar 19th, 2003, 11:43 PM
i thought America was supposed to be the beacon of freedom of expression without fear of intimidation or harassment??? Of course it happens, but you seem to condone it :rolleyes:



Why make a connection with September 11th and this military action against Iraq? If people are so touchy and sensitive, then they may be reassured to know that despite spending billions on national security and intelligence, the US have failed to show any link between Saddam and September 11th.



The French deal with terrorism as well, and their foreign policy leaves a lot to be desired. I am against military action right now because I don't think the threat is severe enough to warrant pre-emptive action without international support. Bush/Blair knew in the end that they couldn't be sure of even nine votes on the security council, no matter how many corrupt/immoral bribes that put on the table.



violence breeds violence. do a little reading, eh?

:rolleyes:


Then what do you suppose the USA do in this situation?

Crazy Canuck
Mar 19th, 2003, 11:44 PM
Ok did you read my other posts or did you just clicked on the reply button under this one?...I am not for booing anyone as you can tell by the thread I satrted days ago but I was saying being it's a hot topic she should have some kinda awareness of the response and her nationality made it even worse...the wta should inform players of the responses that will enrage the crowd..

I don't think that i'm understanding you - that, or you just aren't making any sense, but we'll blame me for now. Loit didn't make ANY comments about her stance on way until AFTER she was booed, correct? In which case what she said had no effect on how the crowd treated her? Then how does this comment of yours make any sense? *lost*


You wanna come to a country and exercise "your freedom" to speak when your own country can't even stand up for freedom because of investments in another country

Hypocrite. Your country is just looking out for their future investments, just like France is... are they not?

...ok...like I said before, this will be the last of my posts in this thread......I hope the war ends soon and the world gets back to being the way it was prior to sept 11th.

Not going to happen. It will never be the same again.

Sam L
Mar 19th, 2003, 11:51 PM
I hope the war ends soon and the world gets back to being the way it was prior to sept 11th.

LOL! Now some people are been idealistic. That's the last thing that'll happen. Right now, Islamic blood is boiling across the world from Africa to Middle East to Asia. This invasion will only heat it further :eek: I'm afraid you can only get to that perfect scenario if every muslim in this world is eliminated OR if we solve the real conflict at the core.

Leena
Mar 19th, 2003, 11:54 PM
The world was the same before 9/11... Americans just weren't aware of it. This hatred has been around for decades.

I'm afraid you can only get to that perfect scenario if every muslim in this world is eliminated OR if we solve the real conflict at the core.

Sam, how do you solve it?

BK4ever
Mar 19th, 2003, 11:54 PM
It was wrong of them to boo Emile....PERIOD

I think we should all agree to disagree on the issue of the war. Its getting too vicious and ugly.

Bright Red
Mar 19th, 2003, 11:55 PM
Based on what? For violation of which rule would you toss those people out?

It doesn't have to be specific. I would make the rule broad, such as "At the discretion of the tournament, attendees may be asked to leave".

maccardel
Mar 19th, 2003, 11:55 PM
[QUOTE='maccardel']People like me elected Bush?....I am democratic you idiot!

But there is something we call patriotism.


You are such a great patriot maccardull. If Bush would ask you to kill yourself, you would probbably do that. Becouse you are a patriot!
What has Iraq to do with the Sept 11th ?!!!
Who cares if thousends and thousends of innocent children in Iraq will be killed?! Certenly not you.
Life on Manhattan is more important than life in Bagdad, anyway !

Did you read any of my previous posts?...My stance is against war but I am patriotic..one for the country and not for the president....

I never once agreed with Bush so to say that and make idiotic comments like that is stupid initself....I support this country and even though I may be against the war I still support the country...my fucking country. Why would I go to france and shout to them that they are wrong in not supporting americans....do any of you narrow minded people see my view or you wanna just disect each sentence to say ah ha!!....

It's now time for people to stand together as a country cos the time of opinion and this is wrong doesn't matter anymore....our soldiers and innocent lives are gonna be lost and we should hope it ends fairly soon....I am gonna hope my country comes through ok and not damaged and the world return to pre sept 11th fear....I never said she shouldn't voice her opinion but all I am saying is it's too late for it.

You can't say anything after the fact cos the fact has since changed...I am not in anyway for booing players but like the Dixie Chicks found out, the time for opinions no longer matter.......

Either you wanna reap all the benefits of living here and defend at all cost or you wanna only get what you can from the country. I say to all those who now say we americans are this n that should just go to where they can be free and non violent.....either you are with us or you are not. It doesn't matter my opinion anymore.

maccardel
Mar 20th, 2003, 12:01 AM
I don't think that i'm understanding you - that, or you just aren't making any sense, but we'll blame me for now. Loit didn't make ANY comments about her stance on way until AFTER she was booed, correct? In which case what she said had no effect on how the crowd treated her? Then how does this comment of yours make any sense? *lost*




Hypocrite. Your country is just looking out for their future investments, just like France is... are they not?



Not going to happen. It will never be the same again.

I was and is referring to her stance in general and not the crowd on her cos I did not support her getting booed.

I am out.....everyone take care be safe......

brunof
Mar 20th, 2003, 12:19 AM
As an American, I am ashamed. Je suis desole, Loit! I love her fighting spirit. Hope the next tournament goes well...

Greenout
Mar 20th, 2003, 12:19 AM
I'm not surprised that some in the audience did
boo Loit. Sad to say;but in times of war the weaker
minded do tend to get jingoistic.

I'm an USA citizen living in Singapore. The majority
do not feel comfortable with the new war over here.
I think the locals want to be neutral..if that's possible.
Funny, how everyone here can discuss the war without
getting personal with the diverse religious stance here-
Buddhist, Christian, Muslim, Hindu... yet it's not possible
in our so called "FREEDOM of SPEECH" , and "FREEDOM
Of RELIGION" country of the USA.

Anyway- Boo-ing Loit was just immature, and paranoid.
She has her own views..so what. It's totally un-sportsmen
like to hassle a player because of her country's stance. I
hope the display today was just a one-off incident during
the event. It just plays into the
narrow minded, and self centered image that we Americans
have to everyone from other countries!!!

self centered we American

ys
Mar 20th, 2003, 01:09 AM
It doesn't have to be specific. I would make the rule broad, such as "At the discretion of the tournament, attendees may be asked to leave".

Make such a rule and you will find yourself in a courtroom..

Mad-About-Venus
Mar 20th, 2003, 01:15 AM
This is an unfortunate incident. But all I can say is you guys wait untill the European clay season starts next month. Americans are going to be "grilled" over there. Especially in Germany and France, for obvious reasons.

Bright Red
Mar 20th, 2003, 01:36 AM
Make such a rule and you will find yourself in a courtroom..

That is incorrect. If you send disruptive people away and refund their money, you won't have a problem. I've worked many paid events and have seen people sent out (often without a refund) and we did not go to court.

ys
Mar 20th, 2003, 01:42 AM
That is incorrect. If you send disruptive people away and refund their money, you won't have a problem. I've worked many paid events and have seen people sent out (often without a refund) and we did not go to court

Right, if you described what is not allowed in a very definitive way. And that is not what you suggest. You suggest that some reactions from spectators are allowed, and some are not, and you are not going to give any definitions of the difference between the former and the latter.

Bright Red
Mar 20th, 2003, 01:46 AM
Right, if you described what is not allowed in a very definitive way. And that is not what you suggest. You suggest that some reactions from spectators are allowed, and some are not, and you are not going to give any definitions of the difference between the former and the latter.

I'm no lawyer, and don't pretend to be. I just know the reality of things here in America. I've seen general statements such as "we reserve the right to refuse service to...". Even state laws are often vague. Employment in Texas, for example, is "at will". Employers need no reason to fire an employee. Similarly, employees can quit without giving any reason whatsoever. That's the reality.

ys
Mar 20th, 2003, 01:49 AM
Yes, but if money have been paid and you toss someone ( who paid ) out, you have to be prepared to show the definition of broken rule in print ( perhsaps even on tickets ) as well as bring witnesses to court. Or pay moral damages.

Gonzo Hates Me!
Mar 20th, 2003, 01:49 AM
Stupid

*JR*
Mar 20th, 2003, 01:51 AM
The Leader of the Free World speaks @ 10:15 PM EST :rolleyes: :sad:

Bright Red
Mar 20th, 2003, 01:58 AM
Yes, but if money have been paid and you toss someone ( who paid ) out, you have to be prepared to show the definition of broken rule in print ( perhsaps even on tickets ) as well as bring witnesses to court. Or pay moral damages.

I disagree with that. There are too many scenarios that could justify throwing someone out of an event. You'd have a rule book bigger than Encyclopedia Britannica. That's why places reserve the right to throw people out at the owner's discretion.

But it would be pretty funny to read such a rule book if the law were as stringent as you demand. I could see it now:

Rule 10.453.0001211 Section C: Any client who runs onto the court during play, and spits chewing gum in the face of the chair umpire and then moons the line judges while leaving said person's baby unattended in the stands shall be asked to leave the stadium.

I'd buy such a rule book just for laughs.

Messenger
Mar 20th, 2003, 01:59 AM
What they did to Serena was terrible. This is infinitely worse.

Havok
Mar 20th, 2003, 02:01 AM
stupid dumb American crowds. i know not all Americans are like this though;). and someone was worried that Americans were gonna get booed at RG. hah. this stupid crowd is shameless and i hope they feel like crap. she's a tennis player, and not the president of france.

Bright Red
Mar 20th, 2003, 02:05 AM
What they did to Serena was terrible. This is infinitely worse.

I think both were bad. But I think what they did to Serena was worse. The boos to Loit were not directed to her as an individual. They were directed to France. Serena's boos were directed to a much smaller group, ie. her family. Serena therefore could more justifiably take such boos personally. Loit OTOH can't. That's worse IMO.

Messenger
Mar 20th, 2003, 02:07 AM
I think both were bad. But I think what they did to Serena was worse. The boos to Loit were not directed to her as an individual. They were directed to France. Serena's boos were directed to a much smaller group, ie. her family. Serena therefore could more justifiably take such boos personally. Loit OTOH can't. That's worse IMO.

Point taken. But they were booing Serena for what she supposedly did, not because she was French.

tenn_ace
Mar 20th, 2003, 02:13 AM
Americans are not stupid and damn... they are just completely brainwashed by local propaganda... all they have are the local media outlets, which have to be patriotic/sympathising or else. if Americans had REAL access to some other news/analytical sources (say, French), things could have been different.

booing is damn, but agree with ys: there is not much you can do... practically, are you going to ask 1000 people to leave??? how would you do it?

Bright Red
Mar 20th, 2003, 02:18 AM
Point taken. But they were booing Serena for what she supposedly did, not because she was French.

Good point. It is a tough call.

Another reason I tend to feel Serena's was worse is that I just think that they assumed the worse for Serena. I could understand the crowd booing Venus for withdrawing at the last minute (although it would be classless to do it). But by booing SERENA they were basically saying that she was part of a dishonest act AND that Venus was lying about her injury. Neither Venus nor Serena (nor any player for that matter) deserve such terrible accusations. All the while, the crowd had no proof.


France has taken a clear stance against the US' position with the war. No assuming is necessary in this case. It is as it is. BUT, in no way were the crowd justified for booing Loit because of France's stance. That was classless IMO.

lokon
Mar 20th, 2003, 02:18 AM
Ok this actually doesnt surprise me one bit. I have been at the tournament, and I didnt post this in my report from monday because I found it too disgusting and thought this must have been an isolated occurrence. But during the Waske match on Monday there were a few spectators behind me that made the comment, "We cant root for him, hes German." The other person's response was, "Youre right we cant root for any of the German or French players." Luckily they didnt boo him, but I just cringed at these remarks and am almost disappointed in calling myself American.

I did attend tonight's matches and sat in on the Paul Henri-Mathieu match, and there was no booing. I stayed for the first set (even though paul was playing horribly).

I just feel terrible for Emilie since when I saw her she seemed like a very nice girl, and certainly doesnt deserve that kind of treatment.

Sonja
Mar 20th, 2003, 02:46 AM
TACKY TACKY behavior from the crowd.

I can't wait to get there and support Amelie and every other French player I can find!

It's stupid to boo a player because of their country's stance on war!

Hurley
Mar 20th, 2003, 03:55 AM
I did attend tonight's matches and sat in on the Paul Henri-Mathieu match, and there was no booing. I stayed for the first set (even though paul was playing horribly).

That makes me feel better.

spencercarlos
Mar 20th, 2003, 04:29 AM
Bullshit. As long as crowd keeps silence during the points and do not shout offenses to players, they can do whatever they want. Booing is a part of the game. Legal part of the game.
YS i guess you would not like your favorite player being "booed" in the court, just because her country supports a political action or not. It has nothing to do with her.

For sure i support the "boo" when a player acts in a bad and disrespectful way on the court, but not like today`s case.

gentenaire
Mar 20th, 2003, 06:52 AM
the division between france, germany, russia and america and britain over iraq has certainly poisoned relations for years to come. it's more than just a disagreement, it is personal. but why is it personal? because the bush government has let morons like donald rumsfeld pop off and trash france, so now it's become national policy to be anti-france. i realize there has been mudslinging on both sides, but to my knowledge, neither jacques chirac, dominique de villepen (terrible spelling, i know. make fun of me. ;) ), or other high-profile members of that government haven't been lowering themselves to the comments made by some high-ranking members of the bush administration.

so that's why stuff like this is happening. americans are taking their cue from their leaders. some of them, anyway.

This is an interesting post. I became more scared the moment it became personal. I was away for a week (in France of all places), so I missed the whole freedom fries hoopla. Can you tell me what exactly Rumsfeld said about France?

And Maccardel, I understand you were scared on 9/11, I think we all were. But you must see that 9/11 and Iraq are unrelated. Wouldn't it be better to go after the people who're actually behind the 9/11 attacks rather than attack a random country you don't like?

Come-on-kim
Mar 20th, 2003, 07:00 AM
Stupid crowd!!

per4ever
Mar 20th, 2003, 07:18 AM
it's always funny to see people calling Sadam 'a dangerous dictator'.... I think Bush is even worse :(

gentenaire
Mar 20th, 2003, 07:24 AM
Bush is worse in the sense that he's threatening world peace, but Saddam's much much worse on a national scale.

baleineau
Mar 20th, 2003, 08:00 AM
and how can anyone not feel anything but contempt for Dick Cheney as well.

in the UK, extra billions have been set aside for the military campaign, whilst 10 million dollars have been set aside for "humanitarian assistance", and that comes out of an existing budget.

there is no humanitarian motive for this war.

the West has realised that unsubtle imperialism actually doesn't wash with the electorate. so they try to justify it by (a) hyping up terrorist threats and linking any regime they choose to terrorism and (b) claiming there is a moral agenda for liberating the people.

This war is about economic interests. The West is so heavily involved in the whole of the Middle East for one reason alone. That reason is oil. The region is dominated by corrupt leaders and inter-regional dispute. It's in the West's interests to sustain unrest it because these countries form a big part of their arms market.

if the goal is to remove Saddam and other key figures, it's possible to work within Iraq to assisinate the leader and key figures. dropping cluster bombs in heavily population Baghdad is not the way. Remember that 42% of the Iraqi population are just children.

JonBcn
Mar 20th, 2003, 08:17 AM
Just for some balance - heres another article I found on the same match - told from a completely different angle (an Australian one, no less).

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/03/20/1047749860869.html

France's Emilie Loit was disappointed by her 5-7 6-2 6-2 first-round loss to Australia's Nicole Pratt at the Masters Series tennis tournament in Miami.

But Loit had no complaints about her reception from Americans, who have heckled and booed French athletes at United States events because of their nation's political opposition to a US military invasion of Iraq.

"It was OK for the moment," Loit said, indicating that fans were polite and did not make any anti-French remarks during the match.

"There's nothing I can do. I'm a player on tour and I have to try and play good tennis."

Loit, who supports the French governments resistance to war "because I'm against violence", said she felt comfortable here but has some fears about her safety traveling the world on the WTA Tour.

Loit was annoyed that she was not able to take advantage of a career-high ranking of 52nd by upending 53rd-rated Pratt.

"My tennis was not very good," said Loit, who felt the scorching Florida heat adversely affected her after the first set.

"If I won this match, I had a chance to be Top 50 for the first time. It was too much pressure."

Loit had difficulty holding her serve throughout the match, surrendering to Pratt on seven of 12 break point opportunities.

While Loit escaped danger in the first set despite losing serve twice in the first set, she could not rebound from a deficit in the final two sets.

In the second set, Loit lost her serve in the second and eighth game.

In the final set, Loit only held serve in the second game.

France's Nicolas Escude scored a hard fought 7-6 (7-2) 4-6 6-4 victory over Slovakia's Dominik Hrbaty and said he felt welcome at the tournament especially because a number of French spectators were in the crowd.

"The war is far away from here so I'm feeling safe for sure," said Escude, who preferred not to comment on where he stands on the Iraq controversy.

"I feel no pressure now, but who knows a few days from now."

©2003 AFP

Not quite sure how "It was OK for the moment" necessarily means "fans...did not make any anti-French remarks during the match", but there you go.

gentenaire
Mar 20th, 2003, 08:22 AM
if the goal is to remove Saddam and other key figures, it's possible to work within Iraq to assisinate the leader and key figures. dropping cluster bombs in heavily population Baghdad is not the way. Remember that 42% of the Iraqi population are just children.

Very true.
Imagine, if Bin Laden or Saddam were hiding in New York, would they bomb NY?

irma
Mar 20th, 2003, 08:25 AM
Florida's crowd always sucked :mad:

TS
Mar 20th, 2003, 08:25 AM
Well that's 'doctored' journalism for you :o It's hard to take anything at face value these days...

hingis-seles
Mar 20th, 2003, 08:28 AM
What a bunch of dumbf*cks!!!

gentenaire
Mar 20th, 2003, 08:30 AM
Thanks for that article, Jon.
Maybe we should ask Daniel, who was at the event yesterday.

TS
Mar 20th, 2003, 08:36 AM
Hmmm, another thought. It's not like Pratt v Loit would be a big crowd pulling match...and I don't think the ones that would go out of their way to watch it would heckle Emilie :confused: I'm not saying it didn't happen, who knows maybe it did, but the vision of loads of people booing at a Pratt- Loit match just doesn't seem to hold true for me. Maybe one or two people yelling out a few choice words as they pass by, which is bloody rude and ignorant either way...anyway, havent read the entire thread so don't know if anyone's brought it up :)

But yeah as Tine said, maybe we should ask someone that was there :)

Halardfan
Mar 20th, 2003, 08:42 AM
As some have mentioned, the war on Iraq has very little to do with September 11th...the country has been on the hit list of the American hard right for years and years...nor do I think their plans end with Iraq...

Saddam and Bin Laden are natural enemies...though frankly war on Iraq makes it far more likely that they take the view that "My enemy's enemy is my friend"

monicain
Mar 20th, 2003, 08:55 AM
Those american crowd are..., say JCap words, such a stupidity.

Benny
Mar 20th, 2003, 09:09 AM
Good on Loit for expressing her views, about time the Americans(they ones who think war is the answer) got a taste of someone with some sense.
I know I am Aussie but I would just like you all to know I am 100% against the war:).

Beat
Mar 20th, 2003, 09:23 AM
I am supporting my country no matter what and supporting my coiuntry doesn't mean I am supporting Bush......

that's exactly the problem! this "no matter what" really gives me the shivers... and you really think you're supporting your country by being pro-war :confused: oh, and can you please explain what september 11th has got to do with iraq??


and i'm sure marion bartoli wasn't booed, because, you know, that name just doesn't sound, you know, like, french.

ktwtennis
Mar 20th, 2003, 10:26 AM
I wonder if she's boycott this event b/c of the boos she received...After all, she is a performer and if she isn't appreciated, then why should she come play in Miami or the USA?(said sarcastically)...:rolleyes:

Dava
Mar 20th, 2003, 10:43 AM
I think that players should not be booed unless they are just plane out of line. If its just becuase they are performaing badly or getting down on themselves then I think that it is inappropriate.

tfannis
Mar 20th, 2003, 10:45 AM
If this is true it's realy terrible....the freedom fries thing is pathetic but if they're going to take on persons it's becoming far more than that :(

Experimentee
Mar 20th, 2003, 10:45 AM
I read another article where she said she had no trouble with the crowd. :confused:

DiZZiA
Mar 20th, 2003, 10:50 AM
Umm...... I believe there should be some coverage on this matter in the French media!!!

It will be very interesting to see how the French crowd going to react when the American players playing at Roland Garros in about 2 months time!!! I think there will be some kind of revenge towards the American players from the French crowd.... Coz' I still remember how Martina Hingis being treated every time when she played at Roland Garros after her immature on-court behaviour during the 99' final against Steffi Graf!!!

Or not? As the French may be thinking that we are not as stupid as those Americans!!! ;)

Dava
Mar 20th, 2003, 10:54 AM
Umm...... I believe there should be some coverage on this matter in the French media!!!

It will be very interesting to see how the French crowd going to react when the American players playing at Roland Garros in about 2 months time!!! I think there will be some kind of revenge towards the American players from the French crowd.... Coz' I still remember how Martina Hingis being treated every time when she played at Roland Garros after her immature on-court behaviour during the 99' final against Steffi Graf!!!

Or not? As the French may be thinking that we are not as stupid as those Americans!!! ;)

Yes l'equipe will trash the crowd to smitharines!

leslie
Mar 20th, 2003, 11:19 AM
Point taken. But they were booing Serena for what she supposedly did, not because she was French.

What did Serena do? All she did was play tennis. I love the way you people twist things to favor your opinions. In other words you are saying is was wrong to boo liot but no big deal when it comes to Serena.

Tennisfan-Mtl
Mar 20th, 2003, 11:28 AM
I'm really ashamed of those Americans retards. I'm happy Canada has decided NOT to go with them. Bravo to France too !

How can you "boo" soemone because they are against violence ? They are simply idiots.

doloresc
Mar 20th, 2003, 11:31 AM
inexcusable!! i hope the organizers make an announcement and even take action to stop fans from being so rude.

Layla
Mar 20th, 2003, 12:19 PM
People like me elected Bush?....I am democratic you idiot!

But there is something we call patriotism. Read up on it. It no longer matters what Bush says or what his agenda is but the country at war will have my full support no matter what since I myself is in the military, my brother and my cousins are in the military....I used to work on the 24the floor of the World Trade Center so .........I am supporting my country no matter what and supporting my coiuntry doesn't mean I am supporting Bush..........You fucking people wanna sit and complain about the world ain't safe no more and then when your asses get blown up because of some suicidal terrorist then you moan and weep...somebody gotta be bold enough to stop this shit....thank god people like you don't run this world...we would all be living in fear everyday. NOT ME COS THAT IS NOT THE AMERICAN WAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So take your rhetoric elsewhere and kiss Sadam's ass......opinions no longer matter....actions are all that count from this point on.

If you truly believe that this world will make the world (and the USA in particular) a safer place, or that this is even its major goal, then you are dreadfully naive. Mind you, I didn't say idealistic, because the war to end all wars is not my idea of an ideal. Just naive. It will never happen. Just like the world will never be the same after 9/11. It was forever changed by that atrocious act of terrorism. However, this military strike will make it infinitely worse. If anything, the safety of the USA will deacrease and not only during the war, but long-term, and Loit will have even more reason to fear flying, not less. Bush is not the savior you portray him to be while in the same breath declaring that you disagree with him, he is a dangerous warmonger.

My heart goes out to the Iraqui people, especially the children who were born into such a cruel world. And my heart goes out to Americans and my American friends who must live in fear of retaliative strikes because of their ultra-arrogant president. I sincerely hope that it doesn't come to that, because I for one love that country, even though I loath its current leadership and its atrocious foreign policy.

This is a sad, sad day. :sad: :sad: :sad: I'm terrified of the possible consequences of this illegal strike.

Cariaoke
Mar 20th, 2003, 12:22 PM
I don't even know what to say... I am just shocked and so disappointed in the crowd. :sad: :sad:

Layla
Mar 20th, 2003, 12:34 PM
As for the crowds booing Loit because she is French. Now I'm confused as to whether this actually happened or not, but if it did, I would be disgusted. I find booing beyond contempt as it is, but booing someone for her or his nationality would have to be infinitely worse. I hope this was an isolated incident, although after watching the news reports of "freedom fries" and watching some idiots pouring French wine on the street (yes it was in the news even in Slovenia, so these stories circled the world), my optimism may be unfounded.

p.s. If the crowd boos my Sebby I will personally fly to Miami and give them a piece of my mind. ;)

Car Key Boi
Mar 20th, 2003, 12:42 PM
i'm amazed that my fellow Americantards are acting surprised or even shocked at the booing (i'm not suggesting that the crowd are right to boo, far from it) but it's hardly surprising

i've never known feelings in this country to run so high against a country - the average American (not American Student Tards) hates France more than it does Saddam (FACT)

to give yuo Eurotards and RestofTheWorld Tards an idea of this anti-French feeling, one of our congresswomen called for a bill to be passed for the exhumation of the 70,000 or so of our Army Bois that we lost on French soil - she wanted them exhumed and flown back to the States - 70,000 bodies!!!

and i'm sure yuo've all heard about the re-naming of French Fries blah

now all of the above is petty - but it's an indication of the strength of feeling for the French - if yuo're French and yuo're living/travelling in/to the USA, lets just say it's not a good time to be French

personally, i don't mind the position the French have taken, and it's got nothing to do with them being a peacetard nation standing up to the evil Bush/Americans and all that other bullshit - the French have a $50 Billion interest in war being avoided - and the reason i'm not bashing the French is because i know that we would've taken the same stance if we were in their position

Hendouble
Mar 20th, 2003, 12:47 PM
Car Key Boi, I'm curious - do you name everyone with the suffix 'tard', or is it only a few selected individuals who happen to have got on your nerves at which ever particular moment you are posting?

pan
Mar 20th, 2003, 01:02 PM
booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo @ us crowd!

leslie
Mar 20th, 2003, 01:05 PM
I don't even know what to say... I am just shocked and so disappointed in the crowd. :sad: :sad:


Were you also shocked and disappointed when they booed Serena at IW, the Australian Open and Venus at the U.S. Open? Or, is it o.k. to boo them but not o.k. to boo Loit.

pan
Mar 20th, 2003, 01:14 PM
puuuhhh, the us crowd has much to do the next days, booing all the girls from france, russia, germany.... :rolleyes:
i'm sitting in the university right now and all the students around me (including me) wear "fuck bush" or "no war" or "peace"-buttons. another way of screaming booooo, but quiet!

*JR*
Mar 20th, 2003, 01:16 PM
Perhaps the other Son of a Bush (Baby Brother Jeb, the Governor of Florida) could issue a public appeal for civility there. Or would that undermine dubya's war with Jacques Chirac?

Cariaoke
Mar 20th, 2003, 01:19 PM
Were you also shocked and disappointed when they booed Serena at IW, the Australian Open and Venus at the U.S. Open? Or, is it o.k. to boo them but not o.k. to boo Loit.
uh... obviously since I'm a FAN of them but last time I checked this post was about Loit and Pratt's match. :rolleyes:

griffin
Mar 20th, 2003, 01:24 PM
Why assume someone saying they're shocked/disappointed that Loit was booed means they weren't shocked/disappointed/upset that Venus and Serena were booed? Please.

I wish I could say I am shocked - sadly, I'm not - but I am disappointed. I hope it's an isolated incedent, but I"m not holding my breath.

Cariaoke
Mar 20th, 2003, 01:30 PM
ty griffin...

There were at least 50 other people in this thread that posted exactly what I posted but I'm singled out when it's obvious I'm a Williams supporter... *shrug*

I guess I'm shocked because for some reason I thought that people would be able to separate a player's gov't from a player. Disappointing, indeed.

Mags
Mar 20th, 2003, 01:38 PM
As the saying goes " Fools come in all shapes, sizes, nationalities etc....". :fiery: What is a real shame is that the rest of the crowd (the silent majority I assume) didn't block out the boos with their cheers for Loit.

pan
Mar 20th, 2003, 01:50 PM
As the saying goes " Fools come in all shapes, sizes, nationalities etc....". :fiery: What is a real shame is that the rest of the crowd (the silent majority I assume) didn't block out the boos with their cheers for Loit.
:wavey:

Iconoclast
Mar 20th, 2003, 02:22 PM
The French player, who suffered a 5-7 6-2 6-2 defeat, was also subjected to heckling and boos from the home crowd because of her nation's anti-war stance.

According to someone who was at the match during the 1st set there were only 15 people present. And none of them booed. Even if the audience grew to 30, who in their right mind would boo someone in such an intimate setting?

And contrast the above BBC snippet with this AFP article (written by someone actually present at the tournament):

But Loit had no complaints about her reception from Americans, who have heckled and booed French athletes at United States events because of their nation's political opposition to a US military invasion of Iraq (news - web sites).

"It was okay for the moment," Loit said, indicating that fans were polite and did not make any anti-French remarks during the match. "There's nothing I can do. I'm a player on tour and I have to try and play good tennis."

I suspect that the BBC misread the initial news agency report and interpreted the reference to other instances of French athletes being heckled as also pertaining to the Pratt-Loit match.

Everyone seems totally consumed with the Iraq war. It's no surprise that a correspondent from the French news agency AFP would ask Loit about the treatment from the audience. That's why she is even talking about it. Not because something happened.

There is no substance to this story.

Amanda
Mar 20th, 2003, 02:28 PM
It is so pathetic to attack anyone who supports peace. Instead of the pro war fanitics enlisting in the armed forces and "really" supporting the war they wanted, the choose to attack everything French...or anyone who is against war.

:rolleyes: @ everything pro war!

Amanda
Mar 20th, 2003, 02:29 PM
It is so pathetic to attack anyone who supports peace. Instead of the pro war fanatics enlisting in the armed forces and "really" supporting the war they wanted, the choose to attack everything French...or anyone who is against war.

:rolleyes: @ everything pro war!

Sammm
Mar 20th, 2003, 02:34 PM
That is so disgusting!!!

Stupid Americans~ they're as bad as the IW crowd, if not worse!!

Hendouble
Mar 20th, 2003, 02:35 PM
Well, I can understand their anger at the French government, which doesn't so much support peace as oppose anything that would mean risking their necks outside their own country.

But to harangue and harass representatives of that nation who have come simply to compete in the sporting arena... well, to quote a famous philosopher on the subject, it's bang out of order.

gentenaire
Mar 20th, 2003, 02:37 PM
Iconoclast, you're right, it's already been posted in this thread, unfortunately too many people only read the first message in a thread and no further. It's like talking to a wall sometimes.

Iconoclast
Mar 20th, 2003, 02:38 PM
I wonder how long people will keep ignoring the deafening lack of evidence for any booing whatsoever.

Hendouble
Mar 20th, 2003, 02:40 PM
Is true. But it will be very interesting to see whether such a situation does develop as the tournament progresses in the bigger matches, the prime-time ones in the big stadiums, not Loit v Pratt which is hardly a marquee match-up for most Americans I should think....

Matches such as Seles v Bartoli (who can hardly be tremendously popular after double-bagelling a Yank) and Grosjean v Fish will be most intriguing. Vive la competition!

gentenaire
Mar 20th, 2003, 02:41 PM
I fear the only way is to either change the title of this thread or to start a new thread.

Hendouble
Mar 20th, 2003, 02:44 PM
How about 'What would have happened if French Loit had been booed by American crowd?' Or better still, to put it in snappy tabloid lingo, 'Frogs and Yanks in Bitter Booing Bust-Up at Key Biscayne'. I think it would go down a treat.

Asmus
Mar 20th, 2003, 02:46 PM
That is absolutely despicable! Everybody else should boo Americans for going to war without a UN sanction and expecting all other countries to follow.

Now I want Mauresmo to win the title even more!

Mags
Mar 20th, 2003, 02:54 PM
I wonder how long people will keep ignoring the deafening lack of evidence for any booing whatsoever.

Iconoclast - Can you post the AFP report so people can see the whole report in context. :wavey:

Iconoclast
Mar 20th, 2003, 02:57 PM
Mags, here you go:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20030319/ts_afp/tennis_atp_wta_usa_1

I'm not paying any license fee to the AFP for carrying their stories, so you will have to do with the link. (Pretending to care about copyright issues). ;)

Hurley
Mar 20th, 2003, 03:01 PM
For the second time: Venus was not booed at the US Open, Leslie. Amelie was cheered.

griffin
Mar 20th, 2003, 03:10 PM
Thanks for the clarification, Iconoclast. It's interesting what we (myself included) are willing to believe without question.

(but I still won't be surprised if it does happen)

Mags
Mar 20th, 2003, 03:13 PM
Mags, here you go:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20030319/ts_afp/tennis_atp_wta_usa_1

I'm not paying any license fee to the AFP for carrying their stories, so you will have to do with the link. (Pretending to care about copyright issues). ;)

Thanks Iconoclast!. I have read the report and you are indeed correct, the Beeb seemed to have taken quotes out of context :o and implied an environment that didn't exist at the match. Thanks for digging into the story a little deeper :wavey:

Car Key Boi
Mar 20th, 2003, 04:09 PM
LMFAO!!

so everyone got trolled by those left wing Brittards in the BBC :)

but as Griffin says, don't be surprised if it does happen

Hendouble
Mar 20th, 2003, 04:31 PM
Brittards - that's actually quite catchy, lol.

leslie
Mar 20th, 2003, 04:38 PM
For the second time: Venus was not booed at the US Open, Leslie. Amelie was cheered.

For the third time Venus was booed. When the line calls seems to be out and in favored of Venus they booed her because they wanted the point to go to Amelie. Watch the tape again.

Car Key Boi
Mar 20th, 2003, 04:40 PM
Brittards - that's actually quite catchy, lol.

thanks!

and i forgot to answer yuor previous question

no i don't use it just for ppl who annoy me, i've refered to myself on numerous occasions as an AmericanTard/West Coast Tard/Accountant Tard/AnnaTard/Dokictard and so forth

- Car Key Boi

harloo
Mar 20th, 2003, 04:44 PM
i wonder why is anyone shocked when people will boo someone cause they are mad at what their sister did? Seems to me if someone can understand that frustration and anger then why not this?

Having said that I totally think they were complete idiots but Williams fans have been saying that about the majority of American crowds all along now haven't we. :sad: :sad:

Exactly Rocketta!!! I am not suprised that they would boo, especially if Loit had something to say about the war. It amazes me how some people all of the sudden see the American crowds as wrong when Loit is booed and heckled at as if we haven't been saying it all along.

And I don't expect the American players to go through the French Open without being booed and heckled by a few idiots. So, don't hold your breath and I'm am sad that everything is going down like this because IMO politics does not belong on the tennis court. Now, IMO neither Loit or Serena should of been booed whether you disagree with what happened at Indian Wells, or what Loit had to say about the war their still is no justification for it.

amy2468
Mar 20th, 2003, 04:51 PM
Please don't generalize and call all americans stupid. All it takes is a few ignorant people in the crowd to boo a french player and make the whole United States look bad. Many americans who do support the war have the decency to show respect to France The actions of a few fans do not represent the views nor the behaviors of americans in general.
thanks

griffin
Mar 20th, 2003, 05:02 PM
For the third time Venus was booed. When the line calls seems to be out and in favored of Venus they booed her because they wanted the point to go to Amelie. Watch the tape again.

Right. No one ever makes noise when calls are close for other players. Only Venus and Serena.

Whatever.

amy and harloo - I suggest you read the posts by mags and Iconoclast above.

Hendouble
Mar 20th, 2003, 05:14 PM
Perhaps, in a cruelly ironic twist, the tournament directors will sneak in a few French supporters for when the Williamses play French opposition, and get them to boo Venus and Serena whenever they complain over a line call?

anton
Mar 20th, 2003, 05:16 PM
For the third time Venus was booed. When the line calls seems to be out and in favored of Venus they booed her because they wanted the point to go to Amelie. Watch the tape again.

I'm going to play Allayiah's song "Back and Forth" while I watch the tape.

I dont think Venus was booed. The crowd a lot of them were drinking and just wanted to have a good time.

But serena WAS booed in Melbourne against Kim.

Somebody even yelled "get on with it"

selesfan1
Mar 20th, 2003, 05:19 PM
The worst thing about it is Come Roland Garros U.S players will get booed and people hee ll be like those D*mn Frnch people why are they booing us?

Crazy Canuck
Mar 20th, 2003, 05:28 PM
The worst thing about it is Come Roland Garros U.S players will get booed and people hee ll be like those D*mn Frnch people why are they booing us?
Well... although it really should be obvious why they are booing - if they do - it doesn't really make them any better than the Americans in the crowd who decided to do it this week.

harloo
Mar 20th, 2003, 05:40 PM
Another lying reporter, well I guess I read the first post and jumped the broom. It's unfortunate that the BBC, and others in the media have no class and will print up false articles. Terrible!

griffin
Mar 20th, 2003, 05:53 PM
Careless and lazy, more like, but it does suck.

Nicoleke
Mar 20th, 2003, 05:57 PM
It' s totally stupid !!!!!

Are all american people as stupid as your president ?????

Think to that people who are under the bombs, it' s terribly sad :sad:, honestly, don' t like french people due to the decision of our president is just pathetic .....

griffin
Mar 20th, 2003, 05:59 PM
Mary, please read my post to harloo and amy about reading the posts by mags and Iconoclast...

Nicoleke
Mar 20th, 2003, 06:01 PM
Mary, please read my post to harloo and amy about reading the posts by mags and Iconoclast...
Ok, excuse me Griffin, but I' m too afraid, I don' t understand .....

Hawk
Mar 20th, 2003, 06:01 PM
I'm going to play Allayiah's song "Back and Forth" while I watch the tape.

I dont think Venus was booed. The crowd a lot of them were drinking and just wanted to have a good time.

But serena WAS booed in Melbourne against Kim.

Somebody even yelled "get on with it"

Serena was booed in Melbourne because the crowd thought she was trying to mess with Kim. A little gamesmanship perhaps ;) Either way she shouldn't have been booed..but you can't control the crowds..

griffin
Mar 20th, 2003, 06:04 PM
Mary, she (Loit) wasn't booed at all - some reporter got lazy, scooped some quotes out of context and misreported the whole thing.

Time to edit the title I think...

Serendy Willick
Mar 20th, 2003, 06:25 PM
Serena was booed in Melbourne because the crowd thought she was trying to mess with Kim. A little gamesmanship perhaps ;) Either way she shouldn't have been booed..but you can't control the crowds..


Why, because she was willing to fight till the end instead of hand over a match to their dear fave Kim? :mad:

Cariaoke
Mar 20th, 2003, 06:30 PM
ok, so it didn't happen?

good... well the crowd was classy, I suppose... until Vee or Ree hit the court. :rolleyes:

Hawk
Mar 20th, 2003, 06:45 PM
Why, because she was willing to fight till the end instead of hand over a match to their dear fave Kim? :mad:

Well Serena took a ton of time on her injury time out. Then if I remember correctly she took a second injury time out for I think a second blister. She didn't have to do that..and the crowd obviously thought she was trying to make Kim wait around and perhaps cool her momentum. If you're gonna try and play head games with your opponent then you run the risk of getting booed. I'm not saying it's right, but that's the way it is sometimes.

Serendy Willick
Mar 20th, 2003, 06:51 PM
Well Serena took a ton of time on her injury time out. Then if I remember correctly she took a second injury time out for I think a second blister. She didn't have to do that..and the crowd obviously thought she was trying to make Kim wait around and perhaps cool her momentum. If you're gonna try and play head games with your opponent then you run the risk of getting booed. I'm not saying it's right, but that's the way it is sometimes.


Well gee, Serena had every right to take an injury timeout JUST LIKE EVERY PLAYER DOES! BTW, it wasnt up to her to take the second timeout, the trainer requested it. I still dont see how that affected Kims game seeing as though she went up 5-1 and had two match points. If the crowd wouldve saw the legitimate blisters on Serenas feet, they wouldve sat their arses down.

JonBcn
Mar 20th, 2003, 07:01 PM
Time to edit the title I think...

Thanks griffin, i would've done so if I saw this development earlier.

Just so nobody thinks its just me trying to stoke the flames, I did post another article further into this thread suggesting that there was no booing :angel:

Cybelle Darkholme
Mar 20th, 2003, 07:03 PM
Well gee, Serena had every right to take an injury timeout JUST LIKE EVERY PLAYER DOES! BTW, it wasnt up to her to take the second timeout, the trainer requested it. I still dont see how that affected Kims game seeing as though she went up 5-1 and had two match points. If the crowd wouldve saw the legitimate blisters on Serenas feet, they wouldve sat their arses down.


Luci there is no reasoning with haters. Everyone in their right mind knows serena did not do anything illegal because she would have been warned or docked a point. Did that happen? Nope. His fav lost and he has to come up with something to attack the winner.

Serendy Willick
Mar 20th, 2003, 07:04 PM
Luci there is no reasoning with haters. Everyone in their right mind knows serena did not do anything illegal because she would have been warned or docked a point. Did that happen? Nope. His fav lost and he has to come up with something to attack the winner.

Thanx Cybelle, this converstion is over for me.

kiwifan
Mar 20th, 2003, 07:07 PM
So I don't suppose we will now have 2 pages of retractions and appologies for all the horrible things you "classy tennis fans" have said about America and Americans in this thread... :confused: :confused: :confused:

...oh of course not.
:p :p :p


Guess you'll all be too busy making excuses for Euro-booing of American players in the matches to come. Just like you continue to make excuses for Aussie booing not only of Serena but of the Americans during the Olympics, etc.

Let the hypocrisy rain down!!!

By the way any of you allegedly open minds out there take some time and go to salon.com and read an article called "See No Evil" by Edward W. Lempinen

"In America" - Charlie Daniels Band

Hawk
Mar 20th, 2003, 07:11 PM
Luci there is no reasoning with haters. Everyone in their right mind knows serena did not do anything illegal because she would have been warned or docked a point. Did that happen? Nope. His fav lost and he has to come up with something to attack the winner.

OMG you're calling me a hater! I have never said anything hateful about Serena or Venus..or any other player for that matter. Did you not see when I pointed out that they shouldn't have booed! I was just trying to explain why it probably happened..

I really don't appreciate being called names when I haven't done anything to warrent it..

Mercury Rising
Mar 20th, 2003, 07:18 PM
Those "legitimate blisters" are really laughable. They were clearly open blisters, which means they don't hurt anymore, they were allready taken care of. The only thing they did during the match was putting a new bandage on it.

Hawk, don't worry, there's no reasoning with haters like cybelle...

Mercury Rising
Mar 20th, 2003, 07:19 PM
OMG you're calling me a hater! I have never said anything hateful about Serena or Venus..or any other player for that matter. Did you not see when I pointed out that they shouldn't have booed! I was just trying to explain why it probably happened..

I really don't appreciate being called names when I haven't done anything to warrent it..
Being called names by that, is a compliment ;)

JonBcn
Mar 20th, 2003, 07:21 PM
As an aside - the BBC still have their story on the front page of their tennis section.

Rocketta
Mar 20th, 2003, 07:24 PM
So I don't suppose we will now have 2 pages of retractions and appologies for all the horrible things you "classy tennis fans" have said about America and Americans in this thread... :confused: :confused: :confused:

...oh of course not.
:p :p :p


What would some of them have to talk about if it wasn't for America bashing?

leslie
Mar 20th, 2003, 08:02 PM
Well Serena took a ton of time on her injury time out. Then if I remember correctly she took a second injury time out for I think a second blister. She didn't have to do that..and the crowd obviously thought she was trying to make Kim wait around and perhaps cool her momentum. If you're gonna try and play head games with your opponent then you run the risk of getting booed. I'm not saying it's right, but that's the way it is sometimes.

Did you not see that blister on Serena's foot. What was Serena suppose to do....you tell me. Serena was ot playing head games with Kim she does not have to, she is that good a tennis player that she knew even though she was down 5-1 she could still beat Kim. It is not her fault that Kim choked. The girl had blisters all over her toes and at the bottom on her foot, you did not see them? Why are you people so jealous of the W/S? Those young ladies damn if they do and damn if they don't and that is why they always come out a-head of the pack because they are not hateful individuals.

Hawk
Mar 20th, 2003, 08:13 PM
Did you not see that blister on Serena's foot. What was Serena suppose to do....you tell me. Serena was ot playing head games with Kim she does not have to, she is that good a tennis player that she knew even though she was down 5-1 she could still beat Kim. It is not her fault that Kim choked. The girl had blisters all over her toes and at the bottom on her foot, you did not see them? Why are you people so jealous of the W/S? Those young ladies damn if they do and damn if they don't and that is why they always come out a-head of the pack because they are not hateful individuals.

All I was trying to do was point out the reason why Serena probably got booed. Please explain to me how I point out twice in my posts that Serena should NOT have been booed and I end up the hater??

Hurley
Mar 20th, 2003, 08:14 PM
As an aside - the BBC still have their story on the front page of their tennis section.

Where can I send a complaint and a request for a correction?

Hurley
Mar 20th, 2003, 08:15 PM
All I was trying to do was point out the reason why Serena probably got booed. Please explain to me how I point out twice in my posts that Serena should NOT have been booed and I end up the hater??

Oh, you're always the hater. It's best not to engage certain posters in the art of conversation.

Dahveed
Mar 20th, 2003, 08:19 PM
Boo me i'm French! :p

Car Key Boi
Mar 20th, 2003, 08:24 PM
Where can I send a complaint and a request for a correction?

ignore@bbc.co.uk

Messenger
Mar 20th, 2003, 08:36 PM
What did Serena do? All she did was play tennis. I love the way you people twist things to favor your opinions. In other words you are saying is was wrong to boo liot but no big deal when it comes to Serena.

What they did to Serena was terrible. This is infinitely worse.

What they did to Serena was terrible. This is infinitely worse.

What they did to Serena was terrible. This is infinitely worse.

What they did to Serena was terrible. This is infinitely worse.

Sigh.

Callie20
Mar 20th, 2003, 09:10 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/tennis/2866235.stm

France's Emilie Loit lost her first round match to Australia's Nicole Pratt at the Nasdaq Open in Florida.

The French player, who suffered a 5-7 6-2 6-2 defeat, was also subjected to heckling and boos from the home crowd because of her nation's anti-war stance.

Loit, who has professed her own opposition to the war, did not resent the treatment she received.

"There's nothing I can do. I'm a player on tour and I have to try and play good tennis," said Loit.

Loit, who supports the French governments resistance to war "because I'm against violence", said she felt comfortable here but has some fears about her safety travelling the world on the WTA Tour.

"I'm afraid to take a flight.

"I'm going to take a car, drive to the next tournaments. But it will be difficult not to fly home."

I am disgusted more and more by Americans each day. This country really does need a wake up call.

Hurley
Mar 20th, 2003, 09:12 PM
I am disgusted more and more by Americans each day. This country really does need a wake up call.

LOL! That article is incorrect! It says so IN THE THREAD TITLE!

I am disgusted more and more by the illiterate and/or stupid each day.

Volcana
Mar 20th, 2003, 09:15 PM
Hawk - Serena didn't change the bandages. The only element of all that time she controalled was the first 30 seconds. She called for the trainer at the end of her alotted 30 seconds, not at the beginning. all the rest of that time was simpoly how long it took to change bandages. and if you think an open blister doesn't hurt, and a lot, I respectfully suggest it's been a long time since you had one. Cause every blister I ever had hurt like hell if it got torn open. One you get it bandaged, it not as bad, but as was clearly visible onthe TV, Serena's bandages had torn away.

No one gives themselves blisters as a form of gamesmanship. What next, throwing off the opponent by breaking your own leg before the match? Use SOME common sense.

Callie20
Mar 20th, 2003, 09:17 PM
LOL! That article is incorrect! It says so IN THE THREAD TITLE!

I am disgusted more and more by the illiterate and/or stupid each day.
Who are you calling illiterate? I did not read that part of the thread, maybe you should stop the name calling, because I'm sure that I am more intelligent than you could ever dream of being. :rolleyes:

Hurley
Mar 20th, 2003, 09:19 PM
Who are you calling illiterate? I did not read that part of the thread, maybe you should stop the name calling, because I'm sure that I am more intelligent than you could ever dream of being. :rolleyes:

ROFL. a) You're not. b) It's IN THE TITLE OF THE THREAD. So by viewing the thread TITLE you saw it. The TITLE. WHICH YOU CLICKED TO OPEN THE THREAD. You saw it, otherwise YOU WOULDN'T BE IN THE THREAD.

Hurley
Mar 20th, 2003, 09:21 PM
Anyway, Loit says that she wasn't booed, which means that all of this vitriol was for naught. So this thread is done.