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tennisIlove09
Mar 18th, 2003, 08:07 PM
If a war breaks out [and despite my hopes and prayers, I fear it will], will tennis events be cancelled?

I have a hard time believing if there's major war in Europe and the middle east that players are going to travel to Germany [German Open]; Rome; Paris...?

Josh
Mar 18th, 2003, 08:12 PM
War in Europe? :confused:

Helen Lawson
Mar 18th, 2003, 08:17 PM
If a player getting stabbed during a match does not even work to stop that tournament, a war in Iraq will not stop any tournaments either.

tennisIlove09
Mar 18th, 2003, 08:22 PM
War in Europe? :confused:

England is in Europe...

Do you think Iraq won't counter attack?

Josh
Mar 18th, 2003, 08:25 PM
Well Germany, Italy, France,... is not England. Besides according to your logic there's a war in America too then so I suppose the players would be safer off in mainland Europe.

tennisIlove09
Mar 18th, 2003, 08:29 PM
Well Germany, Italy, France,... is not England. Besides according to your logic there's a war in America too then so I suppose the players would be safer off in mainland Europe.

If it's a WORLD war, there's war everywhere.

JonBcn
Mar 18th, 2003, 08:34 PM
good grief.

Josh
Mar 18th, 2003, 08:35 PM
:eek:

*Speechless*

paul_masterton
Mar 18th, 2003, 08:42 PM
i doubt it. Some of the top girls will be deterred but the challenger girls will be slogging it out as usual.

There is a $10k coming up in Ankara, Turkey in 2 weeks which is going ahead.

Plus there are already around 6 events a year in Israel, including Ramat Hashron and other places which have been targeted by bombs. There are 2 events coming up in the next month.

I doubt we'll see any tournament cancellations, though if the war is still going on, teh 75k in Dubai may not go ahead.

Infiniti2001
Mar 18th, 2003, 08:42 PM
What war?? This is nothing but aggression on the part of bully duhbya... :fiery: How about calling it "invasion"???

selesfan1
Mar 18th, 2003, 08:43 PM
TennisIlove09, umm sure Iraq will counterattack but wouldn't it be easier for them to attack Israel or a place closer. I mean goodness no tennis during the Gulf War or Vietnam , or Kosovo was cancelled. Fed Cup was moved but not cancelled so I really don't see your reasoning of this unless like there is a war in Europe which I think is unlikely.

Hagar
Mar 18th, 2003, 08:44 PM
It's clearer with every day that the UK is not really in Europe. They should actually be kicked out of the European Union, just like Spain.

Spirit
Mar 18th, 2003, 09:10 PM
FWIW, figure skating is facing some of the same problems, although their season ends soon. The World Championships are about to be held in Washington, D.C., probably the #1 terrorism target city in the world. They've already stated that they'll continue with their competition if war breaks out.

A big part of all this is the "shock value." If a huge war broke out somewhere with no warning, enough to shock the world, sports would come to a halt for a while. But with the warning, no one's going to be shocked if it starts, and I believe things will largely continue as before. It's the same as a relative dying suddenly vs. a relative dying after a long wait in which the death is expected -- the reactions are totally different.

Hurley
Mar 18th, 2003, 09:14 PM
When is the skating? I saw banners the other day, and I want to go!

Anyway. Yeah, this thread makes no sense. I mean, America is the country most involved in the war. How come you aren't assuming America will be attacked and those tournaments will be cancelled?

GoDominique
Mar 18th, 2003, 09:19 PM
If you don't know, Germany and France don't participate in the war.

And well, frankly I don't expect that there will be war in Germany. :rolleyes: At least not until the German Open. ;)

Spirit
Mar 18th, 2003, 09:23 PM
When is the skating? I saw banners the other day, and I want to go!

LOL @ your sig. Pam does love her Terps.

Worlds is March 24-30. Here's the info. (http://www.worlds2003.com/) They've even got a press release on the main page about continuing in the event of war. But I'd hate to be the one in charge of security there.

Hurley
Mar 18th, 2003, 09:25 PM
You have GOT to be kidding me. That's my spring break, I won't be here! :mad:

I was really looking forward to going. Motherflipper!

gentenaire
Mar 18th, 2003, 09:55 PM
eh?

XMan
Mar 18th, 2003, 10:00 PM
If a war breaks out [and despite my hopes and prayers, I fear it will], will tennis events be cancelled?

I have a hard time believing if there's major war in Europe and the middle east that players are going to travel to Germany [German Open]; Rome; Paris...?

Come on, do you really think that we will feel this war? Even a rise of oil prizes won't change much, we will still drive wherever we want and we certainly won't starve. The risk of terror attacks is also very small if you place everything in perspective. Every day, there are 25000 international flights. How many do you think crash because of a terrorist attack? Terrorist are just like mosquitos, one day they sting and the next day they are smashed by your swatter.
Our daily lives and tennis will go on and this happens to be so since World War II in Europe. This war is just another war like many others before: Korea, Vietnam, the first gulfwar, Kosovo, etc. The only difference is that this time there is no international agreement about this war.
I am certainly not an advocate of war, I have a lot of doubts about this war but I also think that the US doesn't act just because of economical reasons but also out of self-defence and defence of our way-of-living.
If there is anything that mankind should do then this is certain a continuing increase of the standard of life. This does not include solely a peaceful society but also a society where the "UN declaration of human rights" are fulfilled for every human being, a society of freedom and justice, a society where technology and economy lead to a more intelligent civilized world, a society where children and people are not indoctrinated and brainwashed by a worldview that opposes logic, human rights or a further development of that part of the world. We all know that our Western society, even with all his little mistakes and imperfections, is the best civilized structure to achieve these goals.
How long will we just stay aside and look how the gap between the Western world and other parts of the world grows? How long will we look how children are educated in a anti-Western and fundamentalistic way? We can't wait much longer. The countries in the Middle-east and elsewhere need to be converted to democratic countries with an improved ecomomic and educational structure. If a local tyrant continuous to suppress his own people then military action could be needed if there is no other way to destruct the regime. But it remains terrible if a civilian has to die because of this, even if it is only one.

veryborednow
Mar 18th, 2003, 10:08 PM
It's clearer with every day that the UK is not really in Europe. They should actually be kicked out of the European Union, just like Spain.
why don't you just fuck off, with all your nasty snide comments

tennisIlove09
Mar 18th, 2003, 10:10 PM
I think I just said it unclearly...

If the tennis events AREN'T cancelled, how many top players will withdraw?

After 9/11 hardly any American's played. Why? They didn't feel safe [although, at the time being AWAY from the States may have been safer then being there].

I'm just wondering if the players will show up; or if the events may be cancelled.

Even if the war isn't in that city/town/country, you still won't feel safe. I know I don't feel very safe right now. do you? It's scary.

Helen Lawson
Mar 18th, 2003, 10:15 PM
I think Americans did play right after 9/11, but it was the ones who needed money and tournament points. Alex went to Moscow and I do not think she was the only one. At that point she was almost down to 100 in the world or something. It was just Top 10 American with lots of money and with rankings that would not suffer from a few missed events who did not go.

XMan
Mar 18th, 2003, 10:17 PM
Even if the war isn't in that city/town/country, you still won't feel safe. I know I don't feel very safe right now. do you? It's scary.

I am from Europe and I am going to the USA in a few months and I can't say that I feel unsafe about it. There are other things that I fear more. I will go to China in few weeks and the outbreak of this dangerous form of pneunomia is something that fears me a lot more then a war.

tennisIlove09
Mar 18th, 2003, 10:19 PM
I am from Europe and I am going to the USA in a few months and I can't say that I feel unsafe about it. There are other things that I fear more. I will go to China in few weeks and the outbreak of this dangerous form of pneunomia is something that fears me a lot more then a war.

to each one's own, I suppose :rolleyes:

XMan
Mar 18th, 2003, 10:23 PM
I don't see the need of a :rolleyes:

Spirit
Mar 18th, 2003, 10:27 PM
It was just Top 10 American with lots of money and with rankings that would not suffer from a few missed events who did not go.

The only real brouhaha I recall is the American Fed Cup team defaulting their tie in Spain. They took a lot of heat for that, but BJK actually wanted to go. I think the USTA got an earful of what the FBI had to say and pulled the plug.

Just a few weeks after that tie was to have occurred, authorities busted a major terrorist cell in Madrid.

I wonder now how earnestly the FBI begged the USTA not to go there. Terrorist cells aren't busted overnight; they had to know it existed, and they had to have been very alarmed at a team of targets flying into the country.

As much as I support the philosophy of not letting terrorists decide our actions, I have to wonder what would have happened had the American team gone to Spain.

switz
Mar 18th, 2003, 10:37 PM
Come on, do you really think that we will feel this war? Even a rise of oil prizes won't change much, we will still drive wherever we want and we certainly won't starve. The risk of terror attacks is also very small if you place everything in perspective. Every day, there are 25000 international flights. How many do you think crash because of a terrorist attack? Terrorist are just like mosquitos, one day they sting and the next day they are smashed by your swatter.
Our daily lives and tennis will go on and this happens to be so since World War II in Europe. This war is just another war like many others before: Korea, Vietnam, the first gulfwar, Kosovo, etc. The only difference is that this time there is no international agreement about this war.
I am certainly not an advocate of war, I have a lot of doubts about this war but I also think that the US doesn't act just because of economical reasons but also out of self-defence and defence of our way-of-living.
If there is anything that mankind should do then this is certain a continuing increase of the standard of life. This does not include solely a peaceful society but also a society where the "UN declaration of human rights" are fulfilled for every human being, a society of freedom and justice, a society where technology and economy lead to a more intelligent civilized world, a society where children and people are not indoctrinated and brainwashed by a worldview that opposes logic, human rights or a further development of that part of the world. We all know that our Western society, even with all his little mistakes and imperfections, is the best civilized structure to achieve these goals.
How long will we just stay aside and look how the gap between the Western world and other parts of the world grows? How long will we look how children are educated in a anti-Western and fundamentalistic way? We can't wait much longer. The countries in the Middle-east and elsewhere need to be converted to democratic countries with an improved ecomomic and educational structure. If a local tyrant continuous to suppress his own people then military action could be needed if there is no other way to destruct the regime. But it remains terrible if a civilian has to die because of this, even if it is only one.

and the american government makes no attempt to indoctrinate values do they? the whole cold war was just because thhe russians were not very nice, and not because communism was perceived as a threat to the dominant capitalist ideology. i don't want to continue your attempt to start a war debate, but i just can't stand the way many americans guise their prejudices (and i not necessary including you in that category) by using this veil of human rights and standards of living. it is always the us versus them scenario, when all your government needs to do is just show us that iraq still has the weapons of mass destruction that you gave them, and them people will stop being sceptical, although it will still be extremlely hypocritical. i also love the argument that they are going to ignore the UN Charter on the use of force and invade iraq so that they can enforce the principles of the UN Declaration of Human Rights.

i don't hate america, and i am not entirely opposed to idea of removing sadam hussein through force. all i want is for politicans to stop telling me that they are going to war because iraq poses a threat through its weapons of mass destruction and its links with terrorists, but continue to refuse to show the indisputable evvidence. i don't trust politicians, and i want to make up my own mind based on the objective evidence.

Helen Lawson
Mar 18th, 2003, 10:46 PM
I happen to think personally that tennis is too small a sport for terrorists to want to hit unless they are desperate terrorists and the opportunity presents itself with little to no planning or effort involved and would be easy to carry off. If they wanted to hit sports it would be soccer or football. I could see the U.S. Open itself as a potential target but that is it.

Zummi
Mar 18th, 2003, 10:51 PM
Unless you are Kim Po-Messerli. She temporarily changed her nationality from American to Swiss in 2001 b/c she feared Al-Qaeda operatives were out to get her.

XMan
Mar 18th, 2003, 10:57 PM
switz

I am a European, not an American and I am neither a diehard pro-American. I totally understand your point and in fact I totally agree. There is no direct reason for a war against Iraq.
But what I wanted to show is the fact that a despote like Saddam should be disposed in the light of continuing improvement of human life.
Besides that, I don't think that America or Europe indoctrinates values upon their citizens, we are not supposed to follow a certain religion or ideology, we are not limited in knowledge or information if we search for it, we are not punished if we voice our opinion. On other hand, we have the right to punish every leader with our vote if he doesn't fulfill his task. It is true that certain sources of information are filtered or censored certainly in the case of war, but if you are clever enough then you will find the information you need, certainly in this "internet world".

Giuliano
Mar 18th, 2003, 10:59 PM
If Iraqis want to drop an Al-Samoud rocket on Paris, they'll have to go to Auxerre by truck.

Tennis Fool
Mar 18th, 2003, 11:07 PM
TennisILove,

Your question was very good, and I'm surprised at all the flippant replies. Where do you live in the States?

Regarding cancelled tournies, which I wondered about myself my answer is this:

We don't know. There has never been a war to break out where the US was the agressor and circumvented the UN. Not only will we be at war, but will have to live with the threat of terror attacks alongside. I wonder how the tennis world reacted in the years just before and during WWII?

I do have some comments for some of the non-Americans on the board to discuss what it's like in America at this time:

1. Since 9/11, Americans have lived with the terror of another serious attack (especially one involving gas).

2. Since 9/11, Americans have been buying gas masks and duct tape to seal up windows and are preparing to make their basements and storm cellars into "fall-out" shelters.

3. This fear is raised whenever the government "terror alert" is raised, as it has been today.

4. Since 9/11, two airlines have declared bancruptcy because Americans refuse to travel and have decided to stay near home for vacations.

I think this mood is very different from that in Europe at the moment.


***Edited to add that I think that some of the American players will bail on tournies if they feel it's too dangerous to travel to a certain place. This could affect tournies economically if say the Williams sisters, #1 and #2, and #1 Agassi drop tournies because of the war.

Leena
Mar 18th, 2003, 11:10 PM
I don't think its necessary to cancel any tournaments... life does have to move on. They're not flying anywhere near Iraq, so I don't see the problem. They're planning on postponing the NCAA Tournament... I know the major reason is because of money... but it's ridiculous.

Spirit
Mar 18th, 2003, 11:24 PM
I happen to think personally that tennis is too small a sport for terrorists to want to hit.

Here in the US, I completely agree. But never having been to Spain, I don't know how big the Fed Cup tie was in that nation at that time. It may have been a heavily-publicized premier event.

tennisIlove09
Mar 18th, 2003, 11:31 PM
TennisILove,

Your question was very good, and I'm surprised at all the flippant replies. Where do you live in the States?


Thank you.

I live in Canada. Alberta, which is Western Canada.

swissfan
Mar 19th, 2003, 03:47 AM
well they just played in Dubai, isn't that probably the most dangerous place?

Mateo Mathieu
Mar 19th, 2003, 06:30 AM
Come on! Look what happened in 1990-1991? Did they cancelled tournaments in Europe? No, that's your answer.

Mateo Mathieu
Mar 19th, 2003, 06:31 AM
well they just played in Dubai, isn't that probably the most dangerous place?
No, Dubai is the most safe place according to Monica Seles.

irma
Mar 19th, 2003, 07:30 AM
why europe?

why can't the assholes leaves us out for once. we suffered enough in ww1 (oh no we were neutral;)) and ww2

if they have to fight, let's do it in the idiots garden.

1jackson2001
Mar 19th, 2003, 07:39 AM
I don't think tennis will be cancelled unless something big happens (i.e. terrorist attacks in the U.S.)..not saying that war in Iraq isn't a major thing of course.