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maccardel
Mar 17th, 2003, 10:35 PM
This has been on my mind for sometime since the world is in disarray. I can't help but wonder what will happen when French Open rolls around. This will be a trying time I imagine for the Williamses and this time could be booed by the partisian crowd in every match. I imagine it will be the same for Lindsay, Monica,Jen, Chanda and the other american players. Is the Wta and the Itf doing anything about it?

What about the security issues and the sort?

ys
Mar 17th, 2003, 10:36 PM
The players would not be booed because of that even if RG would have been played in Iraq.

tenn_ace
Mar 17th, 2003, 10:39 PM
I don't think there are too many countries where sport sometimes becomes involved in politics. France is not one of those countries. And, for the record, Williamses, Jennifer and Monica are favourites of the French crowd (judging by how the crowd reacted in the previous years)


so sleep tight.

maccardel
Mar 17th, 2003, 10:40 PM
The players would not be booed because of that even if RG would have been played in Iraq.


I imagine that they will be very passionate about the war and will attempt to show this against the american players.

Josh
Mar 17th, 2003, 10:44 PM
Well I don't think Kim got booed at Indian Wells last week even though the Belgian government has voiced its opposition against the war.

mn73
Mar 17th, 2003, 10:44 PM
Let's hope that it is all over and done with by then.

CJ07
Mar 17th, 2003, 10:50 PM
I highly highly doubt it
The players are more mature than that
(but then again 'Freedom Fries' ( :rolleyes: ) are sweeping the country)
Besides, the french love those players

King Lindsay
Mar 17th, 2003, 10:50 PM
politics have no room in sport. i think most people know that.

maccardel
Mar 17th, 2003, 10:50 PM
I hope it will end also by then because I don't want to see another asterisk by serena's name.

TheBoiledEgg
Mar 17th, 2003, 10:53 PM
Grosjean got badly treated in his last match vs Roddick at IW

VSFan1 aka Joshua L.
Mar 17th, 2003, 10:56 PM
I think if it's American vs. French in either country the crowd will be more partisan than normal because of the unstable diplomatic relations between the 2 countries.

Iconoclast
Mar 17th, 2003, 10:56 PM
Actually, once the war begins, with all the tension and uncertainty released, the risk of them beeing booed or jeered decreases. And if the bombings commence this week, I think the war will be over before Roland Garros.

CC
Mar 17th, 2003, 10:57 PM
A restaurant owner in New Brunswick threw out $1000 worth of French wine a couple weeks ago.

tenn_ace
Mar 17th, 2003, 11:04 PM
A restaurant owner in New Brunswick threw out $1000 worth of French wine a couple weeks ago.

what an idiot.

kiwifan
Mar 17th, 2003, 11:07 PM
This has been on my mind for sometime since the world is in disarray. I can't help but wonder what will happen when French Open rolls around. This will be a trying time I imagine for the Williamses and this time could be booed by the partisian crowd in every match. I imagine it will be the same for Lindsay, Monica,Jen, Chanda and the other american players. Is the Wta and the Itf doing anything about it?

What about the security issues and the sort?
:cool:

I am of mixed feelings on this; I don't want my own French bashing (rumor has it the French have already surrendered to both Iraq and the "Allied Forces" :devil: :devil: :devil:) to get in the way of the Williams Sisters winning all the slams.

What to do, what to do?

Well send in an armed guard composed of our English, Spanish and Portugese friends. :p :p :p

Seriously, assuming the war is over by then the players should be just fine.

:angel:

Crazy Canuck
Mar 17th, 2003, 11:18 PM
A restaurant owner in New Brunswick threw out $1000 worth of French wine a couple weeks ago.
What the hell is somebody from New Brunswick doing that for? What an idiot indeed... we don't sell Freedom Fries in Canada, do I guess that he'll have to take a drive down to the states in order to pick those up :p

Crazy Canuck
Mar 17th, 2003, 11:19 PM
Grosjean got badly treated in his last match vs Roddick at IW
Ah, you beat me to the punch.

I was going to say that the French might not jeer American players, but that the Americans will certainly jeer the French players, as they did with Grosjean last week.

They got a good kick out of his one double fault that he had the entire match. Morons.

Iconoclast
Mar 17th, 2003, 11:19 PM
(rumor has it the French have already surrendered to both Iraq and the "Allied Forces")
Unfortunately, the allied forces turned out to be the CNN correspondent in Paris.

CJ07
Mar 17th, 2003, 11:21 PM
i diddnt notice that (grosjean)
it should be over by then, and this whole French/USA thing should be over with by 2004

Venus Forever
Mar 17th, 2003, 11:23 PM
There won't be any boycotting.

Grosjean got badly treated in his last match vs Roddick at IW

Well, I did see only the first set and half, but I didn't notice any bad treatment. :confused:

maccardel
Mar 17th, 2003, 11:26 PM
Well you only have to look at Venus in Belgium and think all will be fine but Belgium is not considered a traitor to the UN and the US, especially had not for the United States in WWII, there won't be anything as french and they( the french) would all be speaking german right now.

I think it'll be interesting to see the reaction to the french players this week in Miami.

BK4ever
Mar 17th, 2003, 11:31 PM
Well we'll just have to wait and see...but I don't they will be any backlash

Dumbo will be on network TV tonight...no doubt declaring war :sad:

Hurley
Mar 17th, 2003, 11:32 PM
Considering it was Roddick who was playing, and it was a boozehound-filled night match, they would have booed anyone's double faults. It happens all the time.

TheBoiledEgg
Mar 17th, 2003, 11:35 PM
http://www.wtaworld.com/showthread.php?threadid=60456

this thread brought some laughs at the weekend ;) :devil:

ptkten
Mar 17th, 2003, 11:36 PM
I didn't notice any ill will toward French players...and if the crowd did treat Grosjean badly, that's just because the Americans are obsessed with Roddick and would have done that to any player, even if they weren't French.

And don't take what the Indian Wells crowd does as what the rest of America thinks...we all know that some of the people that attend that tournament are idiots.

xan
Mar 18th, 2003, 01:34 AM
And if the bombings commence this week, I think the war will be over before Roland Garros.

Didn't they say something like that about World War 1?

CC
Mar 18th, 2003, 01:40 AM
Rebecca --- New Brunswick, New Jersey. :)

ys
Mar 18th, 2003, 01:51 AM
A restaurant owner in New Brunswick threw out $1000 worth of French wine a couple weeks ago.

Do you know the name of the restaurant? I would check its backyard - it is just few miles from me and the wine might still be there..

disposablehero
Mar 18th, 2003, 02:34 AM
The unfortunate part is that someone is probably going to stick a microphone in a top American player's face and ask about the war and France's opposition. If its someone guarded like Monica or Venus, they will slip deftly around the potential controversy. Which leads me to believe Jennifer is the one they will try. An ill-thought answer will bring a lot of boos.

selesfan
Mar 18th, 2003, 02:44 AM
There won't be any boycotting.



Well, I did see only the first set and half, but I didn't notice any bad treatment. :confused:

I watched the first set and a half and didn't notice any jeering but lets not forget Grosjean was playing the golden boy of America. ;)

ColinB
Mar 18th, 2003, 03:51 AM
This is actually a very good thread.. and a very good point... There is no nation more passionate than the French - so it all depends on what happens in the next few weeks...

The Imperialist USA thought Vietnam would be over quick and it took 8 years!!!

I am in Australia just now and there is a big anti-US thing over here - so can only imagine that is worse in France and Germany just now.... so if Bush decides to mis-fire a few of their bombs like they have done in the past (hitting Bulgaria by mistake instade of Yugoslavia and destroying the Chinese embassy in Belgrade) then I think the anti-US feelinsg will be huge by Roland Garros.

We all may feel that sport should have nothing to do with politics - but in the highly charged atmosphere of Court Central anything could happen...

Crazy Canuck
Mar 18th, 2003, 04:29 AM
Rebecca --- New Brunswick, New Jersey. :)
lol @ me... doh! Well thank goodness for that then...

LucasArg
Mar 18th, 2003, 05:01 AM
IW is my least favorite tournament. And year after year that feeling is stronger. Not only for this kind of episodes.

Go Miami! :wavey:

propi
Mar 18th, 2003, 10:12 AM
:p
well French will be busy booing Americans so maybe they forget booing Spanish :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

maccardel
Mar 18th, 2003, 10:30 AM
This is actually a very good thread.. and a very good point... There is no nation more passionate than the French - so it all depends on what happens in the next few weeks...

The Imperialist USA thought Vietnam would be over quick and it took 8 year!!!!

We all may feel that sport should have nothing to do with politics - but in the highly charged atmosphere of Court Central anything could happen...


My point exactly and the Russians thought that Afghanistan would be an easy conquest too. This could be a war that last several years and really affect players....I only imagine that it was ten years ago when Monica was riding at the top of the world and it took an ugly incident to bring her down......leaving an asterisk next to her name....

I know it's not the same affect but I could see most americans not playing tourneys for some time due to ill feelings against americans.

I think that the spanish is not looked upon the same way as the americans are looked upon.

Ryan
Mar 18th, 2003, 10:35 AM
Well the French have booed people for stuff less then this, but I don't think they will unless a player says something.

Josh
Mar 18th, 2003, 10:40 AM
especially had not for the United States in WWII, there won't be anything as french and they( the french) would all be speaking german right now.

This is getting so tiring but I guess it's the only argument some people have to make the French look bad. :rolleyes:

Mercury Rising
Mar 18th, 2003, 10:49 AM
This is getting so tiring but I guess it's the only argument some people have to make the French look bad. :rolleyes:
It really is isn't it. I guess the Americans should thank the French for helping them out in the independance war against Britain :rolleyes:

maccardel
Mar 18th, 2003, 10:52 AM
This is getting so tiring but I guess it's the only argument some people have to make the French look bad. :rolleyes:


It's something that I feel has not been mentioned before regarding tennis and is something that I feel should be spoken about.......there are some people who are passionate about their sport and their politics . It should be addressed considering the anti-american feelings around the world.

Josh
Mar 18th, 2003, 10:56 AM
It's something that I feel has not been mentioned before regarding tennis and is something that I feel should be spoken about.......there are some people who are passionate about their sport and their politics . It should be addressed considering the anti-american feelings around the world.

I have no trouble mentioning it if it would hold any thruth.

Iconoclast
Mar 18th, 2003, 11:02 AM
Didn't they say something like that about World War 1?
Perhaps, but they also said the same prior to the Suez War.

Giuliano
Mar 18th, 2003, 11:03 AM
Did you go to France and meet a considerable amount of french people or did you only watch CNN to come to this conclusion?

doloresc
Mar 18th, 2003, 11:16 AM
maccardel, it's not fair to french tennis fans that you're being so presumptuous about their behavior. we certainly don't like it when american tennis fans are prejudged.

gentenaire
Mar 18th, 2003, 11:19 AM
I get the impression that it's more likely French players will be booed in the US than the other way around. What's it with these freedom fries anyway? :rolleyes:

doloresc
Mar 18th, 2003, 11:24 AM
I get the impression that it's more likely French players will be booed in the US than the other way around. What's it with these freedom fries anyway? :rolleyes:

please don't make a blanket statement on all us citizens (i just criticized maccardel for doing that to french tennis fans). "freedom fries" is not some national phenomenon (it's a ninth-rate publicity stunt if there ever was one) as your source would lead you to believe.

irma
Mar 18th, 2003, 11:24 AM
who knows if there is still a roland garros :rolleyes:

gentenaire
Mar 18th, 2003, 11:32 AM
please don't make a blanket statement on all us citizens (i just criticized maccardel for doing that to french tennis fans). "freedom fries" is not some national phenomenon (it's a ninth-rate publicity stunt if there ever was one) as your source would lead you to believe.

Actually, that was my intention, to reply to a generalisation by making another generalisation. I realise quite a few Americans are actually against this war. I didn't read the original freedom fries article, I wouldn't know the source. I heard about it from Americans who thought it was ridiculous. So there...I know perfectly well it's not how everyone thinks.

Cariaoke
Mar 18th, 2003, 11:33 AM
I think it's ridiculous for any country to boo another country's players because of their country's politics. Are the players elected to office? No. So it's completely idiotic to root against players because of what their country does.

This whole freedom fries thing is going on in D.C., specifically government cafeterias. I think it's rather stupid since french fries are Belgian.

I'm just tired of the US sticking its nose in everybody elses business then when things like 9/11 happen, people are surprised. We have ENOUGH of our own problems that we need to deal with for a change.

I just got back from Paris last week. I stayed there from Feb. 28th-March 8th and I was treated very well by the French. There was virtually no anti-American sentiment I received while staying there. The only problem was the language barrier but that was rare. Other than that, I enjoyed my trip. Viva la France!

Volcana
Mar 18th, 2003, 11:49 AM
I think it vastly likelier that American crowds will treat the French players badly. Of course, if some American player calls a news conference and condemns France for not backing the deaths a few thousand to a few hundred thousand innocent people, I expect the French crowd will let them know about it.

doloresc
Mar 18th, 2003, 11:54 AM
Actually, that was my intention, to reply to a generalisation by making another generalisation. I realise quite a few Americans are actually against this war. I didn't read the original freedom fries article, I wouldn't know the source. I heard about it from Americans who thought it was rediculous. So there...I know perfectly well it's not how everyone thinks.

"so there"? no reason to be curt. i told you politely, "please don't make a blanket statement on all us citizens" so the "so there" quip was uncalled for.

I think it's ridiculous for any country to boo another country's players because of their country's politics. Are the players elected to office? No. So it's completely idiotic to root against players because of what their country does.

This whole freedom fries thing is going on in D.C., specifically government cafeterias. I think it's rather stupid since french fries are Belgian.

I'm just tired of the US sticking its nose in everybody elses business then when things like 9/11 happen, people are surprised. We have ENOUGH of our own problems that we need to deal with for a change.

I just got back from Paris last week. I stayed there from Feb. 28th-March 8th and I was treated very well by the French. There was virtually no anti-American sentiment I received while staying there. The only problem was the language barrier but that was rare. Other than that, I enjoyed my trip. Viva la France!

thanks for sharing that so maccardel can see the error of his/her generalization about the french.

gentenaire
Mar 18th, 2003, 12:01 PM
"so there"? no reason to be curt. i told you politely, "please don't make a blanket statement on all us citizens" so the "so there" quip was uncalled for.

Argh, I didn't mean to be blunt at all. I never realised 'so there' is curt.

doloresc
Mar 18th, 2003, 12:07 PM
Argh, I didn't mean to be blunt at all. I never realised 'so there' is curt.

"so there" can have both a combative tone and a teasing air. i didn't take your reply as teasing. it came across to me as you were making some bold statement with "so there" followed by a "..." as if you were emphasizng your "so there". that gave it a curt tone.

griffin
Mar 18th, 2003, 01:05 PM
doloresc, a few words of advice: we have a very large percentage of posters here who speak/write English as a second, third and even fourth language (many of whom do so better than those of us raised in the US). In that light, being so picky and oversensitive about small details of language is a bit ridiculous.

RG crowds are passionate and inclined to boo, but since most French folks I've talked to/read about seem to take great pains to distinguish between the American government and the American people when talking about this conflict, I think they'll treat the American players as fairly as they treat anyone else.

ps- some jackass pitched $1000 in French wine? In Jersey? Dang, must be the fumes from the Meadowlands! Hmm, maybe I should start a French wine/cheese disposal company. Like the hazardous waste/asbestous people - "Call us, we'll safely remove and personally dispose all those scary French products in your restaurants/homes. My satisfaction guaranteed" :D

CC
Mar 18th, 2003, 02:12 PM
Ys, I don't know the name of the restaurant. I heard it on the radio and I doubt they would reveal that, although they also said that after hearing about it, another restaurant owner in the same area applauded his actions and put up a mocking caricature (something about a skeleton) of the French in his window.

You'll find people on either side of an argument who are more passionate than others. These are a few isolated incidents I've heard about, and I think the American views and opinion of the French is largely influenced by the media. Just this morning on "American Morning" with Paula Zahn and Jack something, Jack said everyone in the studio (CNN) was upset with him because of what he said about Jacques Chirac, but he stands by what he said and will say it again: "If you look up Irrelevant in the dictionary, you will find a picture of Jacques Chirac."

I forgot where I read or heard that there is no word for "victory" in French.

A few jokes here and there, but I don't think America hates France. It's very scary waiting to see how this will all play out. Everyone will be impacted in some way, whether directly or indirectly (emotionally).

Mase
Mar 18th, 2003, 02:13 PM
I think ita a good question and also think it could get ugly... guess we'll have to wait and see.

maccardel
Mar 18th, 2003, 02:16 PM
"so there"? no reason to be curt. i told you politely, "please don't make a blanket statement on all us citizens" so the "so there" quip was uncalled for.



thanks for sharing that so maccardel can see the error of his/her generalization about the french.


I am nnot making a blanket statement at all. I am just wondering how the american players will be treated. I did see the french citizens on tv and the americans who said they are not treated any differently by the french. I imagine that the players are of higher profile than the average american who maybe not as noticeable. I am asking a question and inquiring on what will happen. No need to open an attack on me or to criticize me for something I feel will be of importance.

Talk of war is one thing but to go to war is another and people's lives will be lost and others will be affected indirectly, therefore I am curious about the entire situation. I am not attacking anyone only asking a question and feel that some people who don't want to talk about it or have a lack of conversational skills should just leave the topic alone and let those who can conduct an intellectual conversation do it without any interruption.

If there is in fact a war and the americans are looked upon as evil then this will flow over into the sports competition and with the olympics a year away, we can only see it being affected. The United States is a country that will not shy away from preventing its athletes from competing around the world and the idea that this will just go away is rediculous.

Tennis is a world sport unlike cricket where only a few selected countries participate or soccer.....it's also an individual sport and when you cross the border whether to canada or mexico, you tend to represent your country and looked upon as a representative of that government.

I am only interested in the attitude of the french and fielding opinions about their attitude to the players.

propi
Mar 18th, 2003, 02:20 PM
Let's be realistic, Us and France have never been friends, but should that go further than just policy?I don't think so

maccardel
Mar 18th, 2003, 02:27 PM
Policy is one thing and war is another.

Linnie
Mar 18th, 2003, 02:52 PM
You may want to read about some of the players' views:
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/sfl-bricker18mar18,0,4240335.column?coll=sfla%2Dsports %2Dfront

BRICKER: War looms, game on at Key Biscayne
Charles Bricker

March 18, 2003

KEY BISCAYNE · Somewhere in Kuwait, tens of thousands of American servicemen were wondering whether they will be dead or alive at the end of this week.

At the Nasdaq-100 Open on Monday, a couple hundred tennis players had nothing more important on their minds than their opening-round opponents.

The dichotomy wasn't lost on a few of these athletes. There was a worried look on the face of Jonas Bjorkman, the introspective Swede who prides himself on balancing his fantasy life (tennis) with what goes on in the real world.

"Can you guess what the security will be like here if there is a war," Bjorkman asked grimly. "This is an international event."

But Roger Federer seemed closer to the mental frame of mind of most of these men and women. "What's the news? I don't know too much because I've been traveling," said the Swiss star, who is No. 4 in the world.

What's the news? Roger, war is imminent.

For Federer and others, the concentration was not on international politics, but on the draw, which was carried out shortly after noon.

Andre Agassi, who gets a bye along with 31 other seeds on the opening days of Wednesday and Thursday, plays either Michael Chang or Nicolas Kiefer in the second round -- either on Friday or Saturday.

Defending women's champion Serena Williams probably will open against No. 37 Francesca Schiavone, whom she beat at Wimbledon in 2002.

Sister Venus' opening match likely will be against left-hander Magui Serna, whom she has whipped three times without the loss of a set.

There was the usual paucity of attractive first-round matches with 95 percent of the "name" players drawing byes, though big servers Richard Krajicek, the 1996 Wimbledon champion, and rising American Taylor Dent will square off in the first round.

And there are some intriguing matches down the line. Boca Raton's Andy Roddick probably faces Ivan Ljubicic in the second round. The last time they played, at the 2002 Australian Open, Roddick had to quit with an ankle injury.

Roddick also is on target for a fourth-rounder against Rainer Schuettler, who has beaten him twice this year, including last week in the quarters at Indian Wells.

But, as usual, things don't heat up on Key Biscayne until Day 3, and by then who knows how hot things will be in the Middle East.

"I do think about the war when I get back to the hotel," said young Australian qualifier Peter Luczak. "But at the courts I try to take my mind off of it. You don't really want to be thinking stuff like that when you're playing."

Maybe that sounds unfeeling to many, but, like so many of us on Monday, Luczak was simply going to work.

He's not unsympathetic, having been slipped out of Communist Poland at the age of nine months by his parents, who were given plane tickets by the Australian government to emigrate to Melbourne.

"If the U.S. begins a war tomorrow ... I don't know how different things will be," Luczak said. "Will they attack the U.S. back? I know that Australia is behind the U.S. because, if we ever got into trouble, we know the U.S. would be on our side.

"I'll watch the news tonight and probably read the paper in the morning. But I've a match to play, too. How do you shut all this out? I'm not sure. It's real hard to say how you comprehend such a big issue as war, but I guess you just have to deal with it."

Luczak shouldered his racket bag and headed for the locker room, passing several players from France, Germany, the Czech Republic, Slovakia and The Netherlands.

There may not be a sport as global as tennis, but, somehow, all these men and women seem less preoccupied with weapons of mass destruction or Saddam Hussein and more focused on their livelihood.

They came here to play, not to politic. It's a wonder how they do it.

Charles Bricker can be reached at cbricker@sun-sentinel.com.
Copyright © 2003, South Florida Sun-Sentinel <http://www.sun-sentinel.com>

harloo
Mar 18th, 2003, 03:22 PM
IMHO, I think the French would only boo an American Player about the war, only if they have expressed strong opinions against France's decision. What makes anyone think that they wouldn't boo an opininated American(who supports the U.S.) when they would simply boo their own(Amelie) because she wasn't stepping up in the first round. The French crowd is one of the toughest in tennis, and they will boo just like they did when Martina pulled that stunt against Steffi.

doloresc
Mar 18th, 2003, 04:26 PM
doloresc, a few words of advice: we have a very large percentage of posters here who speak/write English as a second, third and even fourth language (many of whom do so better than those of us raised in the US). In that light, being so picky and oversensitive about small details of language is a bit ridiculous.

griffin i acknowledge that i was a bit oversensitive and you're entitled to think it was ridiculous. however, i don't appreciate your condescension. anyone with half a brain can clearly see that there are posters from different countries here, and the that levels of profiency in english will vary, so please don't talk to down to me like i couldn't figure it out for myself.

miranda_lou
Mar 18th, 2003, 04:29 PM
I think if it's American vs. French in either country the crowd will be more partisan than normal because of the unstable diplomatic relations between the 2 countries.

There have been "unstable" relations between France and America dating back to our War of Independence. Even though Lafayette was a hero to us and the French helped us win, Americans resented it. The same thing during WWII when America helped the French. We have been allies forever and sometimes you hate the people you depend on for help.:) (There was a very interesting editorial in the NY Times a few days ago about this subject.)

However, I doubt the French tennis fans will boo any American player just as I'm sure Grosjean was not booed at IW because he is French. We are all too mature for that.:kiss: But, if a French player does happen to be booed while I'm at the Nasdaq, I will stand and cheer very loudly for that player.:bounce: It would be silly to blame a player for what a government does and I won't stand for it if I'm around.:rolleyes:

I hope reporters don't ask the players about this impending war. Like other people who have jobs, that's all they are thinking about, doing their job. These players aren't politicians and they should not be burdened with questions about a war. :fiery:

doloresc
Mar 18th, 2003, 04:30 PM
"Now that war lingers near- Will USA players boycott RG or will they be booed?"

maccardel, you're presuming by this question that the french tennis fans will boo the american players. i agree with volcana. the american tennis fans will be more likely to behave rudely towards the french players then the other way around.

tennis4life
Mar 18th, 2003, 05:15 PM
This has been on my mind for sometime since the world is in disarray. I can't help but wonder what will happen when French Open rolls around. This will be a trying time I imagine for the Williamses and this time could be booed by the partisian crowd in every match. I imagine it will be the same for Lindsay, Monica,Jen, Chanda and the other american players. Is the Wta and the Itf doing anything about it?

What about the security issues and the sort?


War, what is it good for...! ! :fiery:

Maccardel, that very thought occured to me, the booing part, that is. The French are not the "oh so civilized English" They will boo, and boo loud (anybody remember Martina Hingis?).

Hopefully, the "War" will be over by the end of May. Another thought occurs, will the Americans play there? IMO, I do not see why not.

GO Americans!!!! Good Luck To All. :bounce:
t4l

tennis4life
Mar 18th, 2003, 05:16 PM
War, what is it good for...! ! :fiery:

Maccardel, that very thought occured to me, the booing part, that is. The French are not the "oh so civilized English" They will boo, and boo loud (anybody remember Martina Hingis?).

Hopefully, the "War" will be over by the end of May. Another thought occurs, will the Americans play there? IMO, I do not see why not.

GO Americans!!!! Good Luck To All. :bounce:
t4l
Make that boo, loudly!!!

t4l

tennis4life
Mar 18th, 2003, 05:22 PM
:cool:

I am of mixed feelings on this; I don't want my own French bashing (rumor has it the French have already surrendered to both Iraq and the "Allied Forces" :devil: :devil: :devil:) to get in the way of the Williams Sisters winning all the slams.

What to do, what to do?

Well send in an armed guard composed of our English, Spanish and Portugese friends. :p :p :p

Seriously, assuming the war is over by then the players should be just fine.

:angel:

You are too, too funny :D
t4l

tennis4life
Mar 18th, 2003, 05:35 PM
I think it's ridiculous for any country to boo another country's players because of their country's politics. Are the players elected to office? No. So it's completely idiotic to root against players because of what their country does.

This whole freedom fries thing is going on in D.C., specifically government cafeterias. I think it's rather stupid since french fries are Belgian.

I'm just tired of the US sticking its nose in everybody elses business then when things like 9/11 happen, people are surprised. We have ENOUGH of our own problems that we need to deal with for a change.

I just got back from Paris last week. I stayed there from Feb. 28th-March 8th and I was treated very well by the French. There was virtually no anti-American sentiment I received while staying there. The only problem was the language barrier but that was rare. Other than that, I enjoyed my trip. Viva la France!

Really? I have to say that is most encourgaing. I am concerned though, but not too much. So what if some players get booed, I think they will know what is going on and not get bothered by it. the French and the Americans have always had this kind of love/hate relationship. I think the French people know who Americans really are and I think the same is true for us Americans.

Still I don expect "All" of the fans to be willing to distinguish between politics and sports.

t4l

Cariaoke
Mar 18th, 2003, 05:38 PM
Really? I have to say that is most encourgaing. I am concerned though, but not too much. So what if some players get booed, I think they will know what is going on and not get bothered by it. the French and the Americans have always had this kind of love/hate relationship. I think the French people know who Americans really are and I think the same is true for us Americans.

Still I don expect "All" of the fans to be willing to distinguish between politics and sports.

t4l
yes, really. :D
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anyway, I think 99% of people can separate politics and sports unless a player actually says 'F--- *insert country here*'. the other 1% have deep-rooted issues and need a scapegoat. other than that it should be smooth sailing. *crosses fingers*

hingis-seles
Mar 18th, 2003, 08:14 PM
If they ARE booed then they'll just realize how Martina felt. :devil:

CJ07
Mar 18th, 2003, 09:31 PM
I think that the yanks will sooner boo frenchies than frenchies boo yanks

also about the freedom fries, thats so udderly rediculous

also ~50% of america is AGAINST war. Also there have been huge protests all around the country...the other side is just doing the same

its funny about the freedom fries as i live around DC and everybody is totally against the war here

maccardel
Mar 18th, 2003, 10:25 PM
not that I am beating people in the head with this...but now there's talk of cancelling the oscars and ncaa tournament....I think this is a big thing.....now posters understand my point?

baleineau
Mar 18th, 2003, 10:30 PM
I think you'll find that French-UK relations will be more strained than French-US. France and UK are neighbours, after all (geography lesson for some Americans), and relations have become especially strained in recent years (BSE, asylum seekers). France and Germany together are more powerful in Europe than the UK and its arm to the USA, so this will leave the UK in a more peripheral position than ever with respect to Europe - hence the Tory Party's enthusiasm for this invasion of Iraq. The UK is Bush's link in Europe, but the UK puts itself in a precarious position altogether - it is becoming increasingly distanced from those it needs to align with.

As for the tennis, if relations remain as they are, then I expect American players and the British player will get heckled, especially if facing French, Russian or German opposition. It won't be a problem at Wimbledon because (a) everyone is so Englishly reserved and (b) the English are used to cheering for other nationals in tennis/sport.

maccardel
Mar 18th, 2003, 10:32 PM
I think you'll find that French-UK relations will be more strained than French-US. France and UK are neighbours, after all (geography lesson for some Americans), and relations have become especially strained in recent years (BSE, asylum seekers). France and Germany together are more powerful in Europe than the UK and its arm to the USA, so this will leave the UK in a more peripheral position than ever with respect to Europe - hence the Tory Party's enthusiasm for this invasion of Iraq. The UK is Bush's link in Europe, but the UK puts itself in a precarious position altogether - it is becoming increasingly distanced from those it needs to align with.

As for the tennis, if relations remain as they are, then I expect American players and the British player will get heckled, especially if facing French, Russian or German opposition. It won't be a problem at Wimbledon because (a) everyone is so Englishly reserved and (b) the English are used to cheering for other nationals in tennis/sport.

I agree.

swissfan
Mar 19th, 2003, 02:45 AM
I doubt that the French fans will take out anything on the US players.

Asmus
Mar 19th, 2003, 03:58 AM
Until we see a headline like "Serena Williams declares war on Iraq" I don't think there will be any backlash against American players. It's not like they're in charge of their foreign policy, and it's not like Bush even won the popular vote in the last election.

maccardel
Mar 19th, 2003, 01:21 PM
To update the thread, there's talk of US asking its citizens to stay home since Iraq has made it clear that all americans are no longer safe anymore. I think it's not only about the french booing the americans but also about the americans feeling safe..I imagine this will be of concern to the american tennis fans since all top american players both male and female will be in Paris and I'd hate to think of anything happening to all of them.

Giuliano
Mar 19th, 2003, 01:24 PM
Hmm at the time being, I'd think they'd be a little safer in France than in any tournament in the States.

Cariaoke
Mar 19th, 2003, 01:30 PM
there's no talk of canceling the oscars and the ncaa tournament. ?????????

the oscars are simply not letting the actors/actresses do red carpet interviews but the show is still going on and the director of the ncaa said that the games are still going on- war or no war but obvious precautions are being put in place. the only thing that's not going to happen as far as entertainment/sports is the Mariner's vs. A's two game series in Tokyo, which will be made up later in the MLB season.

There's a difference between fear and being safe. A lot of people cautioned me about my trip abroad for Spring Break and dammit, I feel like this... you live your life or be afraid. I'm not going to let the 'well something might happen' logic run my life. I imagine that most rational people may they play professional tennis or not feel the same way. I'm still cautious but you won't find me at Home Depot stocking up on duct tape.

Volcana
Mar 19th, 2003, 01:39 PM
Let's be realistic, Us and France have never been friends ....

Propi - That statement reveals something of a lack of eductaion about history. Without the help of France, the Colonies would have lostthier attempt at revolt, and we might well still be Engish subjects in the USA. (Of course, that would have been an advantgae for us Black folks, since Britain outlawed slavery decdes earlier than the USA did.)

And of coure, there is that 'Liberation of France' thing from World War II. Of course, members of the Vichy government might have viewd that as a negative.

Not only have France and the USA been friends historically, but without the other, both countries might well not even exist now.

Can we not get TOO divorced from reality here?

maccardel
Mar 19th, 2003, 01:44 PM
there's no talk of canceling the oscars and the ncaa tournament. ?????????

the oscars are simply not letting the actors/actresses do red carpet interviews but the show is still going on and the director of the ncaa said that the games are still going on- war or no war but obvious precautions are being put in place. the only thing that's not going to happen as far as entertainment/sports is the Mariner's vs. A's two game series in Tokyo, which will be made up later in the MLB season.

There's a difference between fear and being safe. A lot of people cautioned me about my trip abroad for Spring Break and dammit, I feel like this... you live your life or be afraid. I'm not going to let the 'well something might happen' logic run my life. I imagine that most rational people may they play professional tennis or not feel the same way. I'm still cautious but you won't find me at Home Depot stocking up on duct tape.


Well then you need to call ABC news because they said that they are thinking of even taping the OSCARS and broadcasting at a later date......it may not be cancelled but it may be taped. CBS is in negotiations with ESPN to telecast the NCAA tourney instead.....

That was the latest I've heard from the frontline of broadcasting.

Cariaoke
Mar 19th, 2003, 01:52 PM
taped and switching networks for a tournament is a lot different from canceling the entire event.

ESPN already has the rights to the women's tournament so for them to get the rights for the men's wouldn't be a stretch.

I watched ABC news last night and they were saying that CBS would sell the rights to either ESPN or their daughter stations Nickelodeon or TNN. Nickelodeon has a station called GAS (games and sports) and they regularly show Topspin which is a CBS/USTA tennis program so this wouldn't be that big of a stretch but TNN? That's laughable.

BTW, go GA STATE and GA WOMEN! W00t!

maccardel
Mar 19th, 2003, 01:54 PM
Oh heck!!

Where is Bush since he made that speech????

Didn't anyone think we were bound for war when Bush got into office and named Colin Powell Sec of state....for crying out loud this is the same guy who had it out with Sadam in the desert.

Why did Powell wait for Bush to get into office before he accepted a position when he said he wasn't gonna accept one when Clinton was in office????

I just remembered that.

Cariaoke
Mar 19th, 2003, 01:58 PM
because he wanted to be in a republican run office, I assume. *shrug*

he is more moderate than anything but I've lost all respect for him for being a cronie for two Bushes... :rolleyes:

Filip!
Mar 19th, 2003, 01:58 PM
It's a stupid war for stupid oil !

maccardel
Mar 19th, 2003, 02:03 PM
I can't see GAS showing the NCAA but I could see CBS putting it on TNN since they want desperately to improve their ratings....and make it more like TNT or USA...

There was talk of cancelling the NCAA but they agreed to go ahead with it. I stand corrected. Relaying rights are not the same as cancelling the event......thanks

Cariaoke
Mar 19th, 2003, 02:04 PM
no, actually i wasn't talking about them showing it on GAS but on Nick since most people with cable/sat. get Nick.

anyhoo, no problemo.