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anton
Mar 17th, 2003, 10:10 PM
:confused: :wavey:

Volcana
Mar 17th, 2003, 10:11 PM
No

anton
Mar 17th, 2003, 10:15 PM
No
I wish i could see this match :eek: :eek: :sad: :sad:

BK4ever
Mar 17th, 2003, 10:18 PM
this match alone makes me want to blow off this gig I have and get on a plane to Miami tomorrow

The answer to the question is YES...but it depends on which Anna shows up.

Mr. Man
Mar 17th, 2003, 10:18 PM
Yes. But it all depends on how Anna is playing.
Go Anna! :bounce:

anton
Mar 17th, 2003, 10:20 PM
IM PICKING ANNA!!

A. Kournikova def. D. Safina 7-5, 1-6, 7-6 :eek: (21-19) :eek:

Martian Martin
Mar 17th, 2003, 10:25 PM
I think she can, but so much depends on Anna. If Anna starts badly, then I'd be very worried.

It's a good thing though she is up against someone like Safina who is liable to have unforced errors as well, rather than say a Ruano Pascual type player who gets everything back.

vs1
Mar 17th, 2003, 10:27 PM
Anton, for once I am going to disagree with you because I believe that my Dinara can beat both Anna and Ai! It'll be her week of double As!

Dinara is very talented. She needs experience and better mental focus. I hope that she'll do well in Miami this week. I don't wish Anna any harm, but when she is in the way of Dinara...then I must hope that Dinara will prevail!!!!

tenn_ace
Mar 17th, 2003, 10:27 PM
Anna hasn't had a match in 2 months. Dinara just lost a match she should have won. She will have more drive to win this one.

Dinara in two.

Leena
Mar 17th, 2003, 10:29 PM
Yes.

Dinara's obviously the better player now, but her inexperience really shows. She chokes more than a girl that swallows.

Mr. Man
Mar 17th, 2003, 10:29 PM
Dinara can beat both Anna and Ai!
Not really, Ai will defintely be the favorite here.

vs1
Mar 17th, 2003, 10:30 PM
Leena! :eek:
How can you say that about Dinara! I usually agree with your posts (because I admire Elena as well) but that was a very mean comment! Dinara will get more consistent with experience. And she'll learn how to swallow better. ;)

Car Key Boi
Mar 17th, 2003, 10:31 PM
i think Anna can whip her ass, but it depends if she's fully recovered..

from the secret abortion that she had!

Go Anna!! :bounce:

- Car Key Boi :drool:

Leena
Mar 17th, 2003, 10:36 PM
Leena! :eek:
How can you say that about Dinara! I usually agree with your posts (because I admire Elena as well) but that was a very mean comment! Dinara will get more consistent with experience. And she'll learn how to swallow better. ;)
I didn't mean it in a mean way. :)

It's just that Dinara has been losing match after match that she should be winning. She's the Russian with the most promise (Yes, more than Lena)... and Anna should be no problem since I'm fairly confident she won't give a shit about this match.

vs1
Mar 17th, 2003, 10:44 PM
Yes, I agree that Dinara has been losing matches she should be winning (maybe she's learning a bit TOO much from her brother). But I have faith that she'll improve and do well. I think a lot of it is experience. With experience you will learn to believe that you SHOULD win, and not feel lucky when you actually DO win. I'm play tennis as well and I often lose to people to whom I should not lose. It's frustrating. I know how Dinara feels! Anyhow, thanks for your comments. I was just initially shocked by the "swallow" comment, but then got over it pretty quickly. ;)

CJ07
Mar 17th, 2003, 10:48 PM
Anna in 2, maybe 3

anton
Mar 17th, 2003, 10:53 PM
http://www.venustennis.com/ltanna1.jpg

GBFH
Mar 17th, 2003, 10:54 PM
Can Anna win? Yes
Will she win? No

Anna hasn't won her first match back from injury since the first round of Roland Garros 2000. I'll root hard for her, though!!

Yak
Mar 17th, 2003, 10:55 PM
A very hard match for Anna to win since she's been out for 2 months and hasn't played any tournaments in that period. But like someone said, I'd rather see Dinara next to Anna then Ruano-Pascual or Conchita because Dinara will do her share of UE's.

Anna rarelly has that much problems with unidimensional players. She starts having problems when she plays someone that doesn't miss a shot or someone that has Henin-Hardenne or Williams as a last name.

Anna in 3 after losing the first set easily!

anton
Mar 17th, 2003, 10:57 PM
Can Anna win? Yes
Will she win? No

Anna hasn't won her first match back from injury since the first round of Roland Garros 2000. I'll root hard for her, though!!


your sig is from the movie WOLF with Michelle Phiffer. I love that movie!

But I think Anna has more experience so she can win if she keeps her errors down and is aggressive.

Safina is not mentally tough enough.

GBFH
Mar 17th, 2003, 11:04 PM
LOL, thanks anton, it's a VERY underrated movie :D

Nice pic, too :eek:

Chance
Mar 17th, 2003, 11:33 PM
well I like Safina and I want to see her do well but I Anna really needs a win (so do her fans) and though I don't like Anna that much, I don't like to see players slumping. If Dinara wins I'll be very happy but Dinara is only 16 so it won't be that bad if she loses...if Anna loses the media and some posters are going to have a field day......out with the old in with the new

Harju.
Mar 17th, 2003, 11:52 PM
this is an interesting match i guess..

it could go either way.. If anna is in her full form i believe she could beat her.. but if she was still in US Open form.. Safina is gonna trash her :o

CJ07
Mar 17th, 2003, 11:55 PM
Safina isn't that good
its not like she's beaten any quality players

ptkten
Mar 18th, 2003, 12:02 AM
I think Anna will either win easily or lose easily...

I just really hope Anna wins, but more importantly that she's healthy.

anton
Mar 18th, 2003, 12:09 AM
http://www.venustennis.com/ltanna2.jpg

the cat
Mar 18th, 2003, 12:12 AM
Anna in 3 sets 7-6(4) 3-6 7-5.

Leena, your comment about Dinara was tasteless and uncalled for! :mad:

Thanks Anton! :wavey:

tennisIlove09
Mar 18th, 2003, 12:14 AM
:eek: Tough first round.

I hope Anna can win...GO ANNA!

anton
Mar 18th, 2003, 12:16 AM
Anna in 3 sets 7-6(4) 3-6 7-5.

Leena, your comment about Dinara was tasteless and uncalled for! :mad:

Thanks Anton! :wavey:

OMG!! I just read Leena's comment :eek: :o

BK4ever
Mar 18th, 2003, 12:16 AM
Safina isn't that good
its not like she's beaten any quality players

Dinara has wins over

Schnyder
Kuznetsova
Zvonareva
Nagyova
Serna
Grande
Elia

and she has played two very close matches with Myskina

Trust us when we tell you, she is great...

and she already has a title

GBFH
Mar 18th, 2003, 12:18 AM
and she already has a title

OUCH!!! Arrows, through the air...

Leena
Mar 18th, 2003, 12:19 AM
I know few people have seen Dinara play, other than her match at the Open... she's a very talented player. She has powerful groundies, and she's a great athlete. I just she doesn't end up to be a fruitcake like her brother... because the girl has so much potential.

BK4ever
Mar 18th, 2003, 12:23 AM
Dinara had a couple of chokes last year and a few this year...hopefully she can get past them

CoryAnnAvants#1
Mar 18th, 2003, 12:52 AM
I'll be at the Pacific life Open on Wednesday, so if she plays that day, I'll give you all a report

Leena
Mar 18th, 2003, 12:54 AM
I'll be at the Pacific life Open on Wednesday, so if she plays that day, I'll give you all a report
The stadium will probably be empty.

TeeRexx
Mar 18th, 2003, 01:08 AM
Anna is more concerned with whipping Sergei right now. :)

vs1
Mar 18th, 2003, 01:41 AM
Dinara certainly has had wins over quality players! And she's young and is full of potential and with experience, she herself is going to be a top player! She certainly has all it takes to have a decisive win over Anna. Will she?! Probably. But she needs to believe that she consistently win over these other players. This is her first year on the tour (last year, she had tourney restrictions due to age). Let her gain experience. And then we'll see the Dinara Domination! It'll still be V&S dominating for a few years, but as they decide to move on from tennis, they are going to pass the baton to Dinara & Elena (B).

I want to see some bagels Dinara!!! :kiss:

auntie janie
Mar 18th, 2003, 01:49 AM
"A War of Nerves"

Either of these players could have a great day or a bad day, so it could be very lopsided at first.

But then whoever gets close to winning will get nervous & blow their lead, & in the end, the most nervous one will hand the match over to the slightly less nervous one, maybe with a double fault.

If either of these two wins this match on her first match point, ON HER OWN SERVE, I will go into shock! :eek:

Leena
Mar 18th, 2003, 01:51 AM
OMG!! I just read Leena's comment :eek: :o
Pornikova is in the topic of the thread... my line fit perfectly.

kournikovafan13
Mar 18th, 2003, 02:02 AM
Dinara has wins over

Schnyder
Kuznetsova
Zvonareva
Nagyova
Serna
Grande
Elia

and she has played two very close matches with Myskina

Trust us when we tell you, she is great...

and she already has a title

Nastya has played her twice, both this year in the Mid-East, and both times she won in straight sets. 6-2, 7-5, and 6-4, 6-3. I wouldn't call those scores "very close."

Dinara is indeed very talented; I believe she is better than both Kuznetsova and Zvonareva by miles. But she has yet to make that "major" breakthrough. It will come soon, I'm sure, but hopefully not at this tournament.

Still, I fear the worst for Anna :sad:


Geez Leena, you always amaze me with your inate ability to post shit, plain and simple. You think Anna won't give a rat's ass about this match? Think again, bitch. And the "Pornikova" comment is pretty damn petty of you.

But from you, what else did I expect? :kiss:

selesfan
Mar 18th, 2003, 02:15 AM
Dinara will win in 3!

tennischick
Mar 18th, 2003, 02:37 AM
Dinara got a game off Serena.

need i say more?

Poor Anna...:sad:

Leena
Mar 18th, 2003, 02:44 AM
Geez Leena, you always amaze me with your inate ability to post shit, plain and simple. You think Anna won't give a rat's ass about this match? Think again, bitch. And the "Pornikova" comment is pretty damn petty of you.

Once Anna shows me that she puts any considerable amount of practice and preparation into her matches... I'll think otherwise. I don't care what else she does, or any other excuses.

As far as the "Pornikova" moniker goes... read the majority of the Anna posts on this board. That says enough.

Please continue to start fights with me, however. :)

kournikovafan13
Mar 18th, 2003, 03:15 AM
Obviously you need evidence shoved right in front of your face before your rather pitiful, egotistical mind can comprehend it.

Both Anna and Harold Solomon have said that Anna is often out there up to 8 hours a day training, sometimes more. Is that not a considerable amount of practise? Players like Monica Seles have said that Anna is one of the hardest working players on tour.

Please continue to start fights with me, however.

Will do. Especially since it is so easy, considering every single post of yours is writhing with utter stupidity.

Volcana
Mar 18th, 2003, 03:36 AM
First off, Dinara's a baby. She SIXTEEN. This is an ACTUAL 'up-and-coming' player, not some 19 year old who hasn't won anything yet. Anna's 21, and well into what should be her peak performing years on tour.

Dinara is ranked #63, with only 14 tournaments.
Anna is ranked #66, with 18 tournaments.

Dinara's flat out BETTER than Anna. And better over the past twelve months, not just right now.

Player's can lose their form. And find it again. Especially if they get injured a lot. But some players get hurt, and return better than ever, while some get hurt, and never regain their previous form. In Anna's case, 2000 is too long ago. She doesn't even have 'body memory' from then anymore. Now she's a top 100 player, but not a top fifty. Which for a 21 year old who's been on the tour five or six years doesn't spell 'champion'.

I won't say Anna's done. But at her best, she's no better than she was three years ago. In a 21 year old tennis player, that's not good.

1jackson2001
Mar 18th, 2003, 03:37 AM
Of course she can.

kournikovafan13
Mar 18th, 2003, 03:46 AM
You do have a point Volcana. But referring to the rankings is pointless with some players in my opinion - often, with injuries and such, rankings are very inaccurate.

You say Anna isn't a top 50 player anymore. No, she isn't - on paper. But just two months ago she was ranked in the thirties. Since then she hasn't played any tournaments, and with semi-final points from Tokyo and Acapulco coming off she was bound to fall.

Anna's 2002 was, well, awful. But she did have some bright patches - and those clearly outshined any of Dinara's results last year. So I wouldn't quite say Dinara is flat out BETTER than Anna at the moment.

I think this will be a good test for Anna. It's time for her to stop stepping it up and getting some good results. No, not two weeks of brillance followed by six weeks of dismal early round losses - but consistently good results. I'm afraid time is running out for her...

WhatTheDeuce
Mar 18th, 2003, 03:46 AM
Leena you have no respect it's pretty disgusting...

WhatTheDeuce
Mar 18th, 2003, 03:50 AM
And yes, Anna can beat Dinara no doubt about it. She's a better player than Dinara but she's not a great "coming back from injury" player. I pick Dinara in this one :sad: Hopefully they play a long match though....Get Anna some match play...Cheering for Anna, though I have no expectations...

Chance
Mar 18th, 2003, 03:54 AM
In what way did Anna outshine Dinara,Dinara won her first tournament last year something some players are still trying to do.

It's a pity this match is not televised

Leena
Mar 18th, 2003, 04:20 AM
Obviously you need evidence shoved right in front of your face before your rather pitiful, egotistical mind can comprehend it.

Both Anna and Harold Solomon have said that Anna is often out there up to 8 hours a day training, sometimes more. Is that not a considerable amount of practise? Players like Monica Seles have said that Anna is one of the hardest working players on tour.



Will do. Especially since it is so easy, considering every single post of yours is writhing with utter stupidity.
I don't care what she says... her serve alone shows she put little effort into it, for the past 3 years. You can't honestly tell me she's putting the necessary effort into tennis the last 2 years... watch her matches against Widjaja and Henin, that was fucking embarassing.

Leena you have no respect it's pretty disgusting...

You're wrong, I do have respect for her... I just don't respect how she's wasted all her talent. I don't respect all the bullshit she puts herself into. She was beating top 10 after top 10 in the late-90s. There is no reason why she isn't playing Top 5 caliber tennis now... she's played many tournies since she came back in 2001, you can't blame it on injuries... her game has degressed sharply, and she's no better than a struggling Top 50 player. That just doesn't happen.

Anna is the WTA, everything revolves around what she does, like it or not, andshe has a lot of responsibility for where Women's tennis will be for many years to come... and she treats it like a joke, pissing on players who do give their all.

Dawn Marie
Mar 18th, 2003, 04:24 AM
Anna may be one of the more talented Russians, but I think this match is in Dinara's hands.

Infact I pick Dinara in two sets and this could be her breakthru in a huge tourney. :cool:

WhatTheDeuce
Mar 18th, 2003, 04:25 AM
Anna does give her all!!! She trains SO MUCH! She works SO HARD!! She serves well in practice like Harold has said, but she has a mental problem on the court. She just can't bring herself to do it during a match. She may be a struggling top 50 player who hasn't fulfilled her talent but she's trying damn hard. And she's only 21...

WhatTheDeuce
Mar 18th, 2003, 04:27 AM
Anna may be one of the more talented Russians, but I think this match is in Dinara's hands.

Infact I pick Dinara in two sets and this could be her breakthru in a huge tourney. :cool:

:wavey: DAWN!

I disagree. This match is in Anna's hands IMO. If Anna plays her best game Dinara ain't winning. And if Dinara wins it's probably cause Anna is going to stink up the house. Dinara's a great player who will become better, don't get me wrong, but a win over Anna will not mark her breakthrough...Trust me...

Mrs. Peel
Mar 18th, 2003, 05:01 AM
[QUOTE='GBFH']Can Anna win? Yes
Will she win? No[QUOTE]


I see it a little more like this...

Can Anna Win? Yes

Will she win? She'd better!!!!

Leena
Mar 18th, 2003, 05:02 AM
Anna does give her all!!! She trains SO MUCH! She works SO HARD!! She serves well in practice like Harold has said, but she has a mental problem on the court. She just can't bring herself to do it during a match. She may be a struggling top 50 player who hasn't fulfilled her talent but she's trying damn hard. And she's only 21...
That's a nice excuse from Harold, but that's bull. If Anna was having problems with "guiding" the ball, not following through, not getting full extension, going for too much on 2nds like Elena D... I could buy that argument.

But Anna struggles to hit the ball cleanly on her serve... both 1st and 2nd. There's no excuse for that. That's simply amateurish. The serve is entirely reflected on repetition.

vs1
Mar 18th, 2003, 05:29 AM
Kournakovafan13 quoted as saying:
Anna's 2002 was, well, awful. But she did have some bright patches - and those clearly outshined any of Dinara's results last year. So I wouldn't quite say Dinara is flat out BETTER than Anna at the moment.

Ummm...Dinara WON a tournament last year! She already HAS a singles title on her resume! I don't believe Anna has won a singles tournament. I believe that even with Dinara's limited schedule (because of her age), she has achieved more than Anna. I would say FLAT OUT that Dinara is better than Anna at the moment.

Let's look at rankings.

63 DINARA (with 14 tournaments...so she can only add)
66 kournakova (18 tournaments)

Dawn Marie
Mar 18th, 2003, 05:45 AM
Hi dlandy22:) I was not only refering to a win over Anna, I was looking at the draw as a whole and this could be Dinara's breakthru in a huge tourney. Actually regarding this match I think this is a must win for Anna, as far as her confidence goes. Dinara is Russian and younger, Anna is expected to win this by many. Dinara has good solid serve and groundstrokes I think even with Anna's talent that if they were to play their best that Dinara would have the edge. Power rules and easily holdable serve rules with consistency. This is if they both were to play their BEST match.

I want to see this match on T.V. So much drama!!! :devil:

WhatTheDeuce
Mar 18th, 2003, 05:51 AM
Hi dlandy22:) I was not only refering to a win over Anna, I was looking at the draw as a whole and this could be Dinara's breakthru in a huge tourney. Actually regarding this match I think this is a must win for Anna, as far as her confidence goes. Dinara is Russian and younger, Anna is expected to win this by many. Dinara has good solid serve and groundstrokes I think even with Anna's talent that if they were to play their best that Dinara would have the edge. Power rules and easily holdable serve rules with consistency. This is if they both were to play their BEST match.

I want to see this match on T.V. So much drama!!! :devil:

Well I don't think this is a must win for Anna. She knows she will probably be rusty. Sure she would love to win but I don't think she'll be surprised if she loses. I mean, she's not known for her great ability to come back strong after any injury. But I think both AT THEIR BEST Anna's talent is way too much. Dinara has a better serve for now but Anna has the power to match off the ground and has so much more variety and experience...

Dawn Marie
Mar 18th, 2003, 06:06 AM
Well you could be right it is a toss up really. I do though disagree with you about confidence regarding this match. I do think that Anna has more at stake regarding this match then Dinara does. This is a battle of the Russians.

ajayares
Mar 18th, 2003, 10:40 AM
I don't care what she says... her serve alone shows she put little effort into it, for the past 3 years. You can't honestly tell me she's putting the necessary effort into tennis the last 2 years... watch her matches against Widjaja and Henin, that was fucking embarassing.



You're wrong, I do have respect for her... I just don't respect how she's wasted all her talent. I don't respect all the bullshit she puts herself into. She was beating top 10 after top 10 in the late-90s. There is no reason why she isn't playing Top 5 caliber tennis now... she's played many tournies since she came back in 2001, you can't blame it on injuries... her game has degressed sharply, and she's no better than a struggling Top 50 player. That just doesn't happen.

Anna is the WTA, everything revolves around what she does, like it or not, andshe has a lot of responsibility for where Women's tennis will be for many years to come... and she treats it like a joke, pissing on players who do give their all.


Ever heard of the saying, don't comment, unless you know what you are talking about??
Obviously not, but carry on, it is hilarious.
The stupidity of some is amazing.

SerialKiller#69
Mar 18th, 2003, 11:01 AM
can she? Absolutely YES. will she? i DOUBT it.

but i'd be delighted if Anna wins. hell i'd be even happy if anna can at least bring it to three sets even if she loses.

goodluck anna. you will need it.

*JR*
Mar 18th, 2003, 12:22 PM
It's amazing how much attention a thread about Dinara's future as a player attracts. I mean I know her personal life could fill tabloids, but still... (Well, she IS Marat's kid sis, after all)! :D

Bezz
Mar 18th, 2003, 01:05 PM
I think Anna will win in 2 sets as long as she takes the first. I am sure both players will come out nervous cos they are trying to prove themselves, but then again Anna could come out and blast her off court. I think there is more pressure on dinara to win this cos Anna has had so much time off. Anna generally has a good record over russians, i think she beat dementieva last year when she was the leading russian (in tokyo).

I think Anna:

7-5 6-2 :) or

4-6 6-2 6-3 :)

anton
Mar 18th, 2003, 01:07 PM
If anybody can record this match please let me know. :wavey:

tennischick
Mar 18th, 2003, 01:16 PM
a question for Anna's defenders...?

if Dinara does end up spanking Anna's butt, i mean seriously thrashing her, what will your conclusion be then? what will this loss mean to you?

Cariaoke
Mar 18th, 2003, 01:19 PM
she can but I don't think she will. I like Anna but I like Dinara more. It's something about her I can't place, oh yeah she's my future sister-in-law :p . No, seriously, Dinara has the talent to pull off some great wins this tourney. Of course, by the time we get to see her on TV, she might be eliminated. :fiery:

Leena
Mar 18th, 2003, 01:35 PM
Ever heard of the saying, don't comment, unless you know what you are talking about??
Obviously not, but carry on, it is hilarious.
The stupidity of some is amazing.
Do tell where I don't where I'm talking about... the only response I've heard is "Her coach says she practices a lot, and she plays better in practice". Watching her performances in matches, I highly doubt that. Like I said, her serve alone shows she puts little practice into it. One does not "forget" how to serve just because they're playing a match.

If egotistical geeks like you and James want to rant about how much time and effort she put into her matches against Widjaja and Justine, where she couldn't even hit her weak serves cleanly, or keep the ball in the court... then more power to you.

Volcana
Mar 18th, 2003, 01:52 PM
kournikovafan13 - I'll give you this. Anna has more wins over reallygood players than Dinara. But let me ask you as a K-fan. Does she move as well as she did in 1999? When she's playing well, are her instincts as good? Does she fold quickly in the face of adversity?

These are signs of a player who game is being worn down by repeated setbacks. Now Chanda Rubin went through this, and finally has made it back to the top ten after five or six YEARS of injuries. So Anna has plenty of time and good role models around. But most players lose the battle of wills with injury. Chanda is a rare exception. What's happening to mary Pierce and Anna is more the rule with repeated injury.

auntie janie
Mar 18th, 2003, 02:05 PM
kournikovafan13 - I'll give you this. Anna has more wins over reallygood players than Dinara. But let me ask you as a K-fan. Does she move as well as she did in 1999? When she's playing well, are her instincts as good? Does she fold quickly in the face of adversity?

These are signs of a player who game is being worn down by repeated setbacks. Now Chanda Rubin went through this, and finally has made it back to the top ten after five or six YEARS of injuries. So Anna has plenty of time and good role models around. But most players lose the battle of wills with injury. Chanda is a rare exception. What's happening to mary Pierce and Anna is more the rule with repeated injury.

Monica Seles and Mary Joe Fernandez, as well as Steffi late in her career, are other Chanda-type examples when it comes to returning from repeated injuries / surgeries and clawing one's way back to where one was before.

Maybe one difference is, these players had all reached a higher level and had more success already previous to the start of their series of injury woes. I am sure it helps a player returning once again from rehab to be able to recall previous stints at #1 or #3, previous titles won and Grand Slam finals contested

GBFH
Mar 18th, 2003, 03:13 PM
a question for Anna's defenders...?

if Dinara does end up spanking Anna's butt, i mean seriously thrashing her, what will your conclusion be then? what will this loss mean to you?


Nothing. Anna hasn't won her first match back from injury in three years, and she hasn't gotten past the fourth round here since making the final in '98. In short, it won't mean squat to me if she loses (no matter the scoreline).

WhatTheDeuce
Mar 18th, 2003, 03:15 PM
Nothing. Anna hasn't won her first match back from injury in three years, and she hasn't gotten past the fourth round here since making the final in '98. In short, it won't mean squat to me if she loses (no matter the scoreline).

you stole my words... ;)

swissfan
Mar 19th, 2003, 03:04 AM
Will Dinara be intimidated?

GBFH
Mar 19th, 2003, 03:10 AM
Will Dinara be intimidated?

Doubtful. Certainly not to the extent she was against Serena. Dinara, like most of the tour, realizes that Anna is vulnerable right now. She'll see her as easy pickings. But good luck to Anna, she needs this win, BADLY.

Meesh
Mar 19th, 2003, 03:15 AM
Given all her injuries, current form etc. I wouldn't think players are intimidated by her anymore. I wonder if Dinara will be intimidated by playing on Center Court at night w/ a full house! (my guess is that she will play Thurs. night).

vs1
Mar 19th, 2003, 04:11 AM
Dinara played on centre court prime time at the USO when she met the divine princess, Serena Williams. Dinara was nervous and pretty much got her azz whooped. But she's getting experience and I think that Miami Stadium court prime time against Anna won't be the same as when she faced Serena in Flushing Meadows.

I have full confidence that Dinara is capable of a good win here. At least...I HOPE SO!!! GO Dinara!! :angel:

AnDyDog621
Mar 19th, 2003, 05:12 AM
IM sooo happy 2 of my favorite tennis players are playin each other.... im glad one of them is gonna move up in the rankings...YEA!!!!

Dava
Mar 19th, 2003, 07:18 AM
I like both but I would prefer Anna to win. Whatever the end results is, the tennis wont be as pretty or easy on the eye as the players are! Both have a tendancy to frey and this will be critical here, as they have known each other when they were younger I guess.

It could go either way, but I would say it depends more on Anna as to which way it is going to go.

anton
Mar 19th, 2003, 07:27 AM
I hope ESPN will show some of this match later.

Who is commentating?

Cliffy and Pammy probably.

I remember Pam Shiver interviewing Martina Hingis who didnt understand the "back to you Cliffy" at the ned of her interview at first but then she got to be a pro at it.

Back to you Cliffy!! :D :wavey:

*JR*
Mar 19th, 2003, 08:44 AM
Anton, good objective thread title, and indeed it generated some good responses. Janie did quite fair and serious analysis, leaving Leena to bear the wrath of the type of Annaholics that Steam recently described (re. those on the official site) as "the trolls". (Comment on the Harold quote you took issue with, Leena. She may indeed, er, put out :o for 8 hour stints in practice. Add that to starring in a live soap opera called "My Life as Anna", and she may be both mentally and physically exhausted by the start of a match). Da Boi and TR were both funny as usual, probably one reason they diss eachother alot (competiveness re. humor). Disappointed that you put a glamour pic in a tennis thread, but one is no big deal. The fact that dlandy celebrated Anna's return to competition with a whole photo thread in GM shows that the signature stuff "The reason I like Anna Kournikova..." is just a bunch of BS with the strictly tennis wording. So, Annaholics, either, er, get off her ass :eek: and let her be or else shut up when she loses in an early round. :rolleyes:

~ The Leopard ~
Mar 19th, 2003, 09:24 AM
Anton, good objective thread title, and indeed it generated some good responses. Janie did quite fair and serious analysis, leaving Leena to bear the wrath of the type of Annaholics that Steam recently described (re. those on the official site) as "the trolls".

Who, exactly, are those trolls, rd? I doubt (though I could be wrong) that Steam had ajayares, that famous British philosopher and Greek war god, in mind. So who did you mean?

I don't actually see any of the trolls here.

:angel:

SerialKiller#69
Mar 19th, 2003, 09:35 AM
hi rd. :)

seems old habits die hard.

by the way, where's the contradiction with dlandy's support of Anna and the photo thread he posted?

leena got what she deserved. she had no respect especially to her fans. calling someone pornikova speaks a lot about her.

if there are so called 'trolls', then what do you call obsessive Anna-haters (anti-anna, anna-bashers,etc.) such as you?

*JR*
Mar 19th, 2003, 10:48 AM
Jouissant, I was using the term in a more general sense - those you yourself once described as the "Anna is hot" crowd, or words to that effect. (ys and disclaimer, and some people with ak... or her full surname as their "handle" would be examples on this board. I'll defer to Steam re. who on the K.com site that post may have referred to). disclaimer, indeed ONE old habit of mine dosen't die hard, it's permanent and I have no shame about it: I will treat Anna as a tennis player attempting to get her career back together, NOT an international icon. Period. And if IC people like dl being rank hypocrites IMO with signatures about facets of Anna's game, but "really, really, really" (in Spice Girls talk) meeting that other definition, I will point it out. :)

ajayares
Mar 19th, 2003, 11:05 AM
Who, exactly, are those trolls, rd? I doubt (though I could be wrong) that Steam had ajayares, that famous British philosopher and Greek war god, in mind. So who did you mean?

I don't actually see any of the trolls here.

:angel:

Gee so you are so funny, do you write your own material? :rolleyes: so if I am a troll, what would that make you??

Oh, BTW I read your comment you left for me, I am sure you know the truth now, so I wonder if I still look like an idiot?

As for leena's comments, I am not going to waste my time telling her what she got wrong, if she thinks what she has said is accurate, then she lives in dream land, but really I don't give a toss bag what people say, if people are silly enough to believe what she has said, then that's there problem. I just thought I would indicate that what she said is utter BS, just like what she posted a mth or so ago in a similar Anna thread.

*JR*
Mar 19th, 2003, 11:38 AM
in a similar Anna thread.
Ooh, how 5 little words say so much: that there are so many fucking threads about a player who: had a great junior career, great potential B4 an injury no more unfair than the type that's disrupted the careers of other players with high singles rankings, and had very good results with Marti @ dubs. Now let's stop the bullshit, including the "...tennis is my life" quote of Anna's. If she were treated by the membership of ANNA (Annaholics, No Never Anonymous) like a "regular player" with the exact same history of uunfulfilled potential, aj couldn't have so casually said "in a similar Anna thread" because such threads would be a rarity, not a constant occurence.

~ The Leopard ~
Mar 19th, 2003, 11:40 AM
Gee so you are so funny, do you write your own material? :rolleyes: so if I am a troll, what would that make you??



Regardless what you think of my "material", my post actually defended you. It stated, in a way that should not have been too difficult, that you are *not* a troll, as rd seemed to be implying. Afterall, you were one of the people who'd dumped on Leena. Quite rightly, in my view.

Sheeesh, you really are losing the plot.

Btw going after posters such as me and apoet - who are more or less your allies - just makes you look like a jerk.

:wavey:

vaiva
Mar 19th, 2003, 11:43 AM
tsk, tsk, tsk

Stop fighting. Be patient and let the girls do the talking ;)

*JR*
Mar 19th, 2003, 12:00 PM
tsk, tsk, tsk

Stop fighting. Be patient and let the girls do the talking ;)
To expand this, I'll cite one girl who did do some talking a few months ago that flat out sucks. (And as a fan of Molik and Lukasewicz, I'm NOT being anti-Ozzie here): Nicole Pratt. This now 30 y.o. player who has a 16-31 career record in Slam singles matches and hit #35 for a week twice in her career basically said that the way the tour pimps (sorry, I meant markets) Anna-as-Icon justifies every million Miss K. gets. Nicole, face it: you're own pro career amounted to shit and you're unabashedly willing to sponge off of the added revenue that the game LITERALLY makes on Anna's back. And while your rewards are much smaller, you don't live in that fishbowl, parasite.

ajayares
Mar 19th, 2003, 12:05 PM
Regardless what you think of my "material", my post actually defended you. It stated, in a way that should not have been too difficult, that you are *not* a troll, as rd seemed to be implying. Afterall, you were one of the people who'd dumped on Leena. Quite rightly, in my view.

Sheeesh, you really are losing the plot.

Btw going after posters such as me and apoet - who are more or less your allies - just makes you look like a jerk.

:wavey:

I am losing the plot now. How do we come to this conclusion? All because some people aren't big enough to admit that they lied.

Oh, I must have missed the defending bit, I mean how could I have missed it, when you come up with this..

"Who, exactly, are those trolls, rd? I doubt (though I could be wrong) that Steam had ajayares, that famous British philosopher and Greek war god, in mind."

take note of the bold, you are actually refering to that steam could actually mean that I am one of the trolls, but you aren't quite sure, yeah, if that is what you are calling defending, then obviously I can't understand how I missed it :rolleyes:


Oh rd878 what the truck are you on about? you go on and on about nothing and just where did I include this quote? you aren't making sense.
As for my reference to another thread, perhaps if you go and read it, you might understanding what I am refering too. But since you enjoy going off in all different directions, that might be a bit hard for you to do.

*JR*
Mar 19th, 2003, 12:26 PM
Oh rd878 what the truck are you on about? you go on and on about nothing and just where did I include this quote? you aren't making sense.
At the very end of a post about 5 B4 this one. I mean would somone try to insert words in your mouth as benign as "in a similar Anna thread"? That would be silly, because you don't start many of them, alot of posters start a couple here and there. aj, I only quoted that to illustrate that the sheer # of Anna threads in GM is ridiculous. Maybe Serena, the far and away #1 player gets as many, or Marti upon her (retirement?), but even with the fanatical following Monica (9 Slams, could have been @ least double if not...) has, she dosen't get as many. And "what the truck I was on about" in my post B4 this wasn't even directly about Anna; rather that the tour treats her like a piece of meat and mediocre players (Pratt just happened 2B the one quoted, but surely speaks for many others) are like doggies begging for table scraps.

~ The Leopard ~
Mar 19th, 2003, 01:38 PM
Really, oct/aj, you need a vacation. The bit of my post that you quoted was meant ironically, got it? As a fellow Australian you should be able to grasp this concept. The irony was aimed at rd, not you. The idea that Steam would have had you in mind as one of the "Anna trolls" is patently absurd.

At the end, I clearly said that I couldn't see any of the trolls on this thread.

Oh well, think what you like. You can always try to catch up with jojo in being cranky, humorless, hypersensitive and pigheaded. It seems like an odd ambition, but each to his own.

Even that wouldn't make you a troll, of course. That is an entirely different issue.

WhatTheDeuce
Mar 19th, 2003, 03:28 PM
Anton, good objective thread title, and indeed it generated some good responses. Janie did quite fair and serious analysis, leaving Leena to bear the wrath of the type of Annaholics that Steam recently described (re. those on the official site) as "the trolls". (Comment on the Harold quote you took issue with, Leena. She may indeed, er, put out :o for 8 hour stints in practice. Add that to starring in a live soap opera called "My Life as Anna", and she may be both mentally and physically exhausted by the start of a match). Da Boi and TR were both funny as usual, probably one reason they diss eachother alot (competiveness re. humor). Disappointed that you put a glamour pic in a tennis thread, but one is no big deal. The fact that dlandy celebrated Anna's return to competition with a whole photo thread in GM shows that the signature stuff "The reason I like Anna Kournikova..." is just a bunch of BS with the strictly tennis wording. So, Annaholics, either, er, get off her ass :eek: and let her be or else shut up when she loses in an early round. :rolleyes:

lol you are crazy. some of those pics have been pretty hard to find. they arent very common and i wanted so post rare pics of anna playing doubles with her various partners...and because i did that, I DONT REALLY LIKE ANNA'S TENNIS GAME, RIGHT? :rolleyes: when will you just leave me alone? i always try to post with you nicely i never insuklt you or comment when you bash anna and you always have to attack me for the dumbest reasons...just stop...

WhatTheDeuce
Mar 19th, 2003, 03:32 PM
if i put all this effort into anna kournikova JUST BECAUSE SHE IS A PRETTY FACE then that would be pretty screwed up. i'm not on the FHM message boards, im on WTAworld, where we talk tennis...:rolleyes:

Leena
Mar 19th, 2003, 03:34 PM
I'm still being mentioned here...

leena got what she deserved. she had no respect especially to her fans. calling someone pornikova speaks a lot about her.

And I poke fun at Bovina's last name by calling her a cow. Lighten up.

WhatTheDeuce
Mar 19th, 2003, 03:37 PM
and one last thing...alot of people appreciated the effort i put in to finding some of those pictures of anna PLAYING TENNIS...so stop talking crap and think before you speak...

ßcoene
Mar 19th, 2003, 03:39 PM
and one last thing...alot of people appreciated the effort i put in to finding some of those pictures of anna PLAYING TENNIS...so stop talking crap and think before you speak...

It's true, thanks for the pics. :)

WhatTheDeuce
Mar 19th, 2003, 03:41 PM
RhythmBoy, no offense to you im just using your post as an example...

but rd, since rhythmnoy just made a poll about whether his fave is hot or not i suppose that he doesnt like her tennis either, right? i mean, the thread only talks about the way she looks and includes a nice photo of her too :rolleyes:

WhatTheDeuce
Mar 19th, 2003, 03:41 PM
It's true, thanks for the pics. :)

thanks...this rd guy always bothers me and i cant stand him...

WhatTheDeuce
Mar 19th, 2003, 03:42 PM
I'm still being mentioned here...



And I poke fun at Bovina's last name by calling her a cow. Lighten up.

:wavey: lena! though i dont like your attitude towards anna (LOL) i do see your humor :D

Leena
Mar 19th, 2003, 03:46 PM
Yes... I admit I do have a bad attitude towards Anna... but you also have to keep in mind that I'm insane.

I still giggle at this pic: Oh Anna, if you'd only play doubles with Lena in Fed Cup...

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid54/pd660bd755be345d671ec8b4e8215cca1/fc87d70f.jpg

WhatTheDeuce
Mar 19th, 2003, 03:48 PM
ROTFLMAO! you had me laughing when i saw that pic...LOL

*JR*
Mar 19th, 2003, 04:56 PM
if i put all this effort into anna kournikova JUST BECAUSE SHE IS A PRETTY FACE then that would be pretty screwed up. i'm not on the FHM message boards, im on WTAworld, where we talk tennis...:rolleyes: And since Anna is only the 3rd most accomplished of the 4 players in your sig, how come you don't do pic threads @ least for Monica and Jelena? :confused: You may like Anna's tennis but don't BS me that you're treating her primarily as a tennis player. And re. your question about Rhythmboy's Dani thread, although she has stuff to fix in her game, she won IW (albeit no W/S there) @ age 18 and does a lot less glamour stuff than Anna (though IMO she should lay off that till she starts winning again). And I don't give a FF if you like me or not, I'm sick of how every tennis site, tournament, etc. "ova-emphasizes" Anna and you damn well know it's not because she once reached #8 and was once #1 in the Juniors. And if people can speak out for or against a war, I damn well can on the marketing of this game. And on whether I think the object of millions of idiot schoolboy crushes worldwide gets too many threads on BB's, especially those dealing with her appearance, not her game! :rolleyes:

WhatTheDeuce
Mar 19th, 2003, 05:03 PM
fair post. i was talking about his thread about els callens being hot, not dani by the way...and you are wrong about me not treating her primarily as a tennis player, but think whatever you want to think :rolleyes: if u hate how tournaments promote anna, why hate on anna? she isn't promoting herself, she's being promoted by the directors. its not her choice. and i did a pic thread for anna because those pics are hard to find and i had to sign up and give my credit card number to access them, so i knew many people never saw them. all monica and jelena pics are out in the open....everyone's seen them...

WhatTheDeuce
Mar 19th, 2003, 05:05 PM
and for the most part i dont hate you, i think you post well for the most part, i just dont like when u insult me and tell people what i say in my signature is fake just because u disagree with me...

GBFH
Mar 19th, 2003, 05:10 PM
I don't see what the big deal is about discussing her looks. Let's face it, she's not putting much on the court to discuss these days(years). She is, however, deluging the media with her glamour image.

I'm very cynical of people who claim to like Anna only for her tennis, because that's not who she is anymore.

I've seen plenty of threads analyzing Monicas', Jelenas', and Mirjanas' tennis. The content of their threads to Annas' isn't comparable. Anna is a glamourous celebrity first, gritty athlete second; and I don't think many people will say the same about Monica, Jelena, or Mirjana.

WhatTheDeuce
Mar 19th, 2003, 05:12 PM
GBFH, that is who she is. anna is still a tennis player who is only 21 years old. she'll get it together. her off court glamour image is only because she's gorgeous. and i think anna is SO SO SO HOT but that doesnt mean thats the reason i like her. i always thought sabatini was really hot and i never cheered for her or did i like her style of play...

WhatTheDeuce
Mar 19th, 2003, 05:15 PM
people talk about annas game alot. theres alot to talk about. why she struggles, why she had the success back in the day, why she hasnt won an event, what she can do to get back to the top....theres plenty to talk about...and anna wouldnt have an off court image if it wasnt for her tennis so id say tennis comes first for anna...and im sure anna herself feels that way also...

GBFH
Mar 19th, 2003, 05:20 PM
Hey dlandy, I'm not denying that Anna is a tennis player :) She's still very young, but I do get a little discouraged when she has all of this abundant talent and she can't get her shit together.

I just get sick of arrogant and condescending Anna fans who think they're superior because they CLAIM to only like Anna's tennis. If there really is such a person out there, good for you! But honestly, how could a serious tennis fan like Anna for this long when she hasn't ever lived up to even half of her potential?

GBFH
Mar 19th, 2003, 05:23 PM
And yes, dlandy, Anna herself has said, "If I were ranked 500, no one would look at me."

It feels like Anna lost her love for tennis after being peddled like a whore for so long.

WhatTheDeuce
Mar 19th, 2003, 05:26 PM
hello again GBFH :wavey: she has alot of talent and i know she cant get her shit together right now :fiery: . but since i know how much potential she has and i know she is capable of playing great tennis, i BELEIVE that she will one day shine like she's supposed to. thats why i love anna's tennis. i loved it back when she was top ten, and i love it now...i'm just waiting for it to blossom...but i am not a fan who thinks im superior to anyone ;)

WhatTheDeuce
Mar 19th, 2003, 05:28 PM
And yes, dlandy, Anna herself has said, "If I were ranked 500, no one would look at me."

It feels like Anna lost her love for tennis after being peddled like a whore for so long.
i dont like when fans question a players love for the sport. anna loves tennis. thats why shes been playing since she was 5 and continues to play despite the struggle...hingis stopped playing and it angers me when people question her love for tennis...

*JR*
Mar 19th, 2003, 05:29 PM
she isn't promoting herself, she's being promoted by the directors. its not her choice. and i did a pic thread for anna because those pics are hard to find and i had to sign up and give my credit card number to access them, so i knew many people never saw them. First of all, even if Anna has zero input into the use of her image to promote tournaments...(wait, can you say "wildcard"?), she surely does re. the calendars. And if you had to pay by credit card to download those pics, do you think she's letting them use her image for free? :rolleyes: And sorry about which Rhythm Boy thread you were referring to, but guess what: Els Callens hasn't earned 1% as much for her image as Anna has, despite being on the tour longer.

WhatTheDeuce
Mar 19th, 2003, 05:32 PM
-its not a site made by anna lol the webmaster makes you give your credit card # for the images....anna has NOTHING TO DO WITH IT

-els callens doesnt get her image everywhere cause she doesnt look nearly as sexy as anna...no offense to els...

-anna does calendars because the fans and the public want to see her. she was voted sexiest in the world. thats what you do when you are in demand....and i dont think that has ANYTHING to do with the fact that tournaments promote her...its because she sells tickets...for reasons you agree with or not....but its not anna's fault...

GBFH
Mar 19th, 2003, 05:33 PM
:wavey: dlandy!

I wish I had as much faith as you :) I don't know how to make Anna turn it all around, and I get the feeling that she doesn't know either.

LOL, I don't think you're arrogant. I don't remember who, but someone said that anyone who likes Annas' glamourous image wasn't a real fan. Somehow that peeved me a little ;)

And no matter how beautiful she is, I wouldn't be a fan if she didn't have game.

WhatTheDeuce
Mar 19th, 2003, 05:34 PM
:wavey: dlandy!

I wish I had as much faith as you :) I don't know how to make Anna turn it all around, and I get the feeling that she doesn't know either.

LOL, I don't think you're arrogant. I don't remember who, but someone said that anyone who likes Annas' glamourous image wasn't a real fan. Somehow that peeved me a little ;)

And no matter how beautiful she is, I wouldn't be a fan if she didn't have game.
good post!!! :D

PrincePascal
Mar 19th, 2003, 05:36 PM
well anna had some time to work on some things in the past weeks.
she definitely CAN win the match, of course. and she will win because she's just clearly the better player. you'll see.

GBFH
Mar 19th, 2003, 05:39 PM
i dont like when fans question a players love for the sport. anna loves tennis. thats why shes been playing since she was 5 and continues to play despite the struggle...hingis stopped playing and it angers me when people question her love for tennis...

*shrug* Sorry if you don't like it.

Anna's a hard worker, she practices like a maniac (which likely leads to many of her injuries, but that's another topic), but what has it gotten her? Wouldn't YOU be a little discouraged if you'd devoted your entire life to something, and you haven't achieved your goals? Somehow, I don't think Annas' dream was to have a couple of weeks in the top 10, with twenty SFs and four finals without a title. Maybe Anna is made of sterner stuff, but I would begin to hate my job if I wasn't as successful as I'd hoped.

WhatTheDeuce
Mar 19th, 2003, 05:43 PM
*shrug* Sorry if you don't like it.

Anna's a hard worker, she practices like a maniac (which likely leads to many of her injuries, but that's another topic), but what has it gotten her? Wouldn't YOU be a little discouraged if you'd devoted your entire life to something, and you haven't achieved your goals? Somehow, I don't think Annas' dream was to have a couple of weeks in the top 10, with twenty SFs and four finals without a title. Maybe Anna is made of sterner stuff, but I would begin to hate my job if I wasn't succeeded like I wanted.

youre absolutely right. anna worked all her life and she is now a PRO TENNIS PLAYER. thats successful. not many players are good enough to be pro ;) and yes anna hasnt acheived up to her standards, but again, i beleive in her and she will keep going! her love of the game IMO is not a question....i dont think its a question for any pro players actually...

WhatTheDeuce
Mar 19th, 2003, 05:44 PM
GBFH all your posts are knowledgable and fair...id give you more rep points if i could LOL ;)

GBFH
Mar 19th, 2003, 05:48 PM
youre absolutely right. anna worked all her life and she is now a PRO TENNIS PLAYER. thats successful. not many players are good enough to be pro ;) and yes anna hasnt acheived up to her standards, but again, i beleive in her and she will keep going! her love of the game IMO is not a question....i dont think its a question for any pro players actually...

Just like I don't think it was a question whether Anna would be a pro or not ;) It was more or less given she had pro-level talent since she was nine years old. All that was ever discussed was the number of grand slams she'd win, and how long she'd be at number one. And because of this, her gauge of success is skewed VERY differently from the average player. If you asked Anna, and she answered truthfully, she'd say she's underachieved...she'd immediately say afterward she's working to change that, and her work ethic is to be admired.

GBFH
Mar 19th, 2003, 05:49 PM
GBFH all your posts are knowledgable and fair...id give you more rep points if i could LOL ;)

:) You're too nice :)
I'm enjoying our debate :)

WhatTheDeuce
Mar 19th, 2003, 05:49 PM
Absolutely Right ;)

GBFH
Mar 19th, 2003, 05:50 PM
Aw c'mon, there has to be something to argue :)

WhatTheDeuce
Mar 19th, 2003, 05:55 PM
Aw c'mon, there has to be something to argue :)
LOL cant object to anything u said in your last post its all true :D ;)

GBFH
Mar 19th, 2003, 05:57 PM
Alright then, to completely derail this topic....do you think Anna would have won Wimbledon if she hadn't gotten injured at Eastbourne in '98?? (a tried and true migraine-inducing topic :))

WhatTheDeuce
Mar 19th, 2003, 06:01 PM
Alright then, to completely derail this topic....do you think Anna would have won Wimbledon if she hadn't gotten injured at Eastbourne in '98?? (a tried and true migraine-inducing topic :))

that's tough to think about. i remember that time...anna beat graf what a match by anna! anna could certainly have won that wimbledon...sad to think of for sure....whether she would have won will never be known but just having beat graf and probably was gonna beat ASV in the next round had she not been injured, her confidence would have been soaring going into wimbledon...what do u think?

GBFH
Mar 19th, 2003, 06:07 PM
I think she had an excellent shot, no doubt. Bud Collins said he'd picked her to win Wimbledon that year...it at least lends some credibility to her chances. I think Novotna would have given her hell...she, along with the House of Williams are the only top ten players she hasn't defeated (to my knowledge). I definently think she would have made the semis, at least.

GBFH
Mar 19th, 2003, 06:09 PM
How about this one...maybe it's a little easier...maybe :)

Do you really think Anna's thumb injury was the catalyst for her career turning out the way it is today? She had that foot injury at the end of '97, but that lead to the best year of her career in '98. What was it about her thumb injury that was so catastrophic???

WhatTheDeuce
Mar 19th, 2003, 06:10 PM
i think so also...i really feel like if anna can get some type of confidence going into wimbledon this year she will make alot of noise...

WhatTheDeuce
Mar 19th, 2003, 06:14 PM
How about this one...maybe it's a little easier...maybe :)

Do you really think Anna's thumb injury was the catalyst for her career turning out the way it is today? She had that foot injury at the end of '97, but that lead to the best year of her career in '98. What was it about her thumb injury that was so catastrophic???

i dont think that injury is why she is struggling today. shes had a ton of injuries that have all contributed. i do however think that that injury may have robbed her a tournament title at eastbourne and a serious run at wimbledon. but after that injury there were many others that have contributed to her less than impressive play for the last year. but maybe if u think about it in another way, if that injury DID rob her of a title in eastbourne maybe she would have had more success because of the monkey being off her back and the constant questions towards her about when she will finally win being gone. there are so many WHAT IFS we can speak of in annas career...like her loss in the final of miami to venus in three sets after beating 4 top tenners IN A ROW...if she won that things might have chnged also...

GBFH
Mar 19th, 2003, 06:21 PM
Ugh, that Miami final!!! I know she was up a set and maybe a break at one point in that match...and it just fell apart...poor Anna.

Yeah, winning either Eastbourne or Miami (especially Miami), would have drastically reduced her stress level :) It seems that right after her thumb injury, those questions about not having a title started to surface. I don't care how much confidence you have, if EVERYONE starts criticizing you, you'll start believing what they say. That may have gotten to her in Shanghai last year, too.

WhatTheDeuce
Mar 19th, 2003, 06:24 PM
thats true. anna is a mental wreck these days. i mean, she had beaten smashnova twice in two weeks earlier that year and then in a final of a small event she gets crushed. thats all mental. anna k at her best will beat anna s. i mean in the two matches anna beat smashi, anna was NOT playing her 100% and she still won both matches. anna's mental stress in shanghai was very apparent...

*JR*
Mar 19th, 2003, 06:27 PM
Sorry to splash cold water on this love fest, but dl, you're conveniently ignoring one thing: if Anna didn't have the "glamour appeal", you would just say something like: "What a shame. Such a talented player, who knows how far she could have gone..." instead of treating her career like some noble crusade. (And paying for her images, regardless of whether she's getting her cut or getting ripped off by the website in question). Have you ever paid for pics of any other player (not counting autographed ones that, like signed baseball cards, are considered collectibles)?

GBFH
Mar 19th, 2003, 06:29 PM
And it's no wonder, it was ALL OVER THE NEWS THAT WEEKEND!!! My god, I'm lucky to get the scoreline for a TMS final on ESPN, and Annas' "lowlights" from the match were broadcast on NBC!!!!

You remember when Anna opted to play Luxembourg instead of the Olympics in 2000? "Sports Illustrated" had a little piece in there titled, "Take a Seat Anna" (the tournament sponsor was The Seat Open). They gave a page to Anna for some obscure tournament, and we're lucky to get three pages in SI after a major...unbelievable.

There's no way for Anna to go to a small tournament and get her title. She needs to do it on the big stage against a high profile opponent.

GBFH
Mar 19th, 2003, 06:31 PM
Sorry to splash cold water on this love fest.

Sorry, I thought it was funny :)
It's not really a lovefest...it's more of a lament.

WhatTheDeuce
Mar 19th, 2003, 06:32 PM
Sorry to splash cold water on this love fest, but dl, you're conveniently ignoring one thing: if Anna didn't have the "glamour appeal", you would just say something like: "What a shame. Such a talented player, who knows how far she could have gone..." instead of treating her career like some noble crusade. (And paying for her images, regardless of whether she's getting her cut or getting ripped off by the website in question). Have you ever paid for pics of any other player (not counting autographed ones that, like signed baseball cards, are considered collectibles)?

i didnt pay for them they just needed a credit card number to prove i was an adult...yes there were fake nude pics ;) but i only wanted to see the ones of her on the tennis court that were so exclusive. i wouldnt actually PAY for her pics or anyone else's unless it was for a special occasion i guess...

and if anna wasnt a pretty face, id be supporting her still 100% because for me, it's all about the tennis. the girl's got talent that she hasnt fulfilled. i think she still can be great...just like dokic and lucic....they are two of my faves struggling (lucic is pretty ugly physically) but i still beleive she will succeed and be great. i still support her. thats just the way i am and thats what i beleive...just accept it...

WhatTheDeuce
Mar 19th, 2003, 06:34 PM
And it's no wonder, it was ALL OVER THE NEWS THAT WEEKEND!!! My god, I'm lucky to get the scoreline for a TMS final on ESPN, and Annas' "lowlights" from the match were broadcast on NBC!!!!

You remember when Anna opted to play Luxembourg instead of the Olympics in 2000? "Sports Illustrated" had a little piece in there titled, "Take a Seat Anna" (the tournament sponsor was The Seat Open). They gave a page to Anna for some obscure tournament, and we're lucky to get three pages in SI after a major...unbelievable.

There's no way for Anna to go to a small tournament and get her title. She needs to do it on the big stage against a high profile opponent.

you may be right! i'll take a win whatever way anna can win! it just has to happen SOME TIME!! LOL (rd your comment made me laugh also...) ;)

jojoseph
Mar 19th, 2003, 06:56 PM
Ooh, how 5 little words say so much: that there are so many fucking threads about a player who: had a great junior career, great potential B4 an injury no more unfair than the type that's disrupted the careers of other players with high singles rankings, and had very good results with Marti @ dubs. Now let's stop the bullshit, including the "...tennis is my life" quote of Anna's. If she were treated by the membership of ANNA (Annaholics, No Never Anonymous) like a "regular player" with the exact same history of uunfulfilled potential, aj couldn't have so casually said "in a similar Anna thread" because such threads would be a rarity, not a constant occurence.

A troll is defined as someone that only cares about anna's looks. Obviously dlandy cares about how anna fares in tennis so dlandy couldn't be characterized as a troll.

If you care to comment on trolls, there's no need to include everyone in that category in an attempt to criticize them.

*JR*
Mar 19th, 2003, 07:10 PM
Just comparing Anna with the other Russians around her age all the way down to 15 y.o. Sharapova, do her prospects for success really seem the best? Given those players, the Belgians, Momo, of course the W/S, and whoever emerges from those like Dani and Jeca trying to perfect their own games, what are Anna's chances of ever being in the Top 10 again (even post Monica, Linzi, Jen, Chanda, and other "older" players)? Is her tennis responsible for her having "outperformed" all the other female Russian players put together in total earnings (combined on and off court)? Face the facts: Anna has milked every last (non-porno or call girl) dime out of her fame, right down to agreeing to whatever contract required her to maintain an illusion of some kind of "virginal purity" (or @ least still being available in fantasyland) as discussed in that thread CKB started. And guess what: if she wins something, it's no guarantee of her getting on a roll; just ask Dani about that. Sorry about the "troll" reference, BTW.

jojoseph
Mar 19th, 2003, 07:12 PM
Really, oct/aj, you need a vacation. The bit of my post that you quoted was meant ironically, got it? As a fellow Australian you should be able to grasp this concept. The irony was aimed at rd, not you. The idea that Steam would have had you in mind as one of the "Anna trolls" is patently absurd.

At the end, I clearly said that I couldn't see any of the trolls on this thread.

Oh well, think what you like. You can always try to catch up with jojo in being cranky, humorless, hypersensitive and pigheaded. It seems like an odd ambition, but each to his own.

Even that wouldn't make you a troll, of course. That is an entirely different issue.

You are an asshole, plain and simple.

Don't defend Oct, he doesn't need your defending. Go defend someone else, like that psychopath Frank Riley again.

I hope you feel better about me now.

GBFH
Mar 19th, 2003, 07:46 PM
And guess what: if she wins something, it's no guarantee of her getting on a roll; just ask Dani about that.

Good point....however, one title is still better than none at all. Just ask Anna about that ;)

And why does it matter if Anna has milked her image for all it's worth? You're only young and beautiful for a short period of time...may as well cash in.

WhatTheDeuce
Mar 19th, 2003, 08:09 PM
Good point....however, one title is still better than none at all. Just ask Anna about that ;)

And why does it matter if Anna has milked her image for all it's worth? You're only young and beautiful for a short period of time...may as well cash in.
well said

GBFH
Mar 19th, 2003, 08:20 PM
well said

Thanks :)

jojoseph
Mar 19th, 2003, 08:20 PM
well said

that's true, but she's cashed in on the money and fame long enough

she needs to cash in on some titles now, seriously

If she doesn't win fairly big against Safina, I don't see her making it past the second round.

I just don't know what to expect from here though.

GBFH
Mar 19th, 2003, 08:21 PM
that's true, but she's cashed in on the money and fame long enough

she needs to cash in on some titles now, seriously

If she doesn't win fairly big against Safina, I don't see her making it past the second round.

I just don't know what to expect from here though.

To be fair jojo, I don't think Anna knows either. She's in major tennis limbo right now...the injuries aren't going to slow down, they're only gonna get more frequent and more severe. It's a real shame, too.

jojoseph
Mar 19th, 2003, 08:28 PM
To be fair jojo, I don't think Anna knows either. She's in major tennis limbo right now...the injuries aren't going to slow down, they're only gonna get more frequent and more severe. It's a real shame, too.

exactly, she's just too fragile nowadays and with the new back injury problem, who knows when that thing's gonna flare up in the future.

oh well, I guess :o

so, can anna beat dinara? Yes. Is it gonna happen? I honestly just don't know.

GBFH
Mar 19th, 2003, 08:31 PM
exactly, she's just too fragile nowadays and with the new back injury problem, who knows when that thing's gonna flare up in the future.

oh well, I guess :o

so, can anna beat dinara? Yes. Is it gonna happen? I honestly just don't know.

Yeah, what hasn't hurt yet? Her eyes? Ears? I don't think she's had to pull out with an infection or illness yet :) (obviously, I'm trying to inject some levity).

Of course Anna can beat Dinara. Anna can beat anyone on the tour if she's up to it. But like you said, she's a fragile soul...

jojoseph
Mar 19th, 2003, 08:34 PM
you know, just to comment on this new back injury, it's really interesting, because before the BOTW classic last year, nobody I knew had ever heard of her chronic back problems before, I believe.

Now, I saw her practice immediately before she announced she was gonna pull out of doubles with Shaughnessy there and she looked fine. I mean, there was no clear indications of problems at all. Then when this new one struck, there didn't appear to be any clear indications as well.

Because of this, it's hard not to think that this isn't gonna be a recurring problem. Back problems are the worst in sports and when you hear she has chronic back problems, that makes it all the more worse.

GBFH
Mar 19th, 2003, 08:41 PM
I'd totally forgotten about her back problem at Stanford...but you're right, back problems are the worst kinds of injuries.

Hopefully Anna took this time off to really rest. Her usual idea is to practice for two to four hours after a couple of days...her diehard work ethic may be the end of her career if she isn't careful.

vaiva
Mar 19th, 2003, 08:53 PM
Face the facts: Anna has milked every last (non-porno or call girl) dime out of her fame, right down to agreeing to whatever contract required her to maintain an illusion of some kind of "virginal purity" (or @ least still being available in fantasyland) as discussed in that thread CKB started.

So I say: well done Anna. Cannot blame her that some people believed in what they wanted to believe. She has smart advisers.

Tell me that you ain't jealous. Your post sounds so bitter ... as if Anna offended you personally.

GBFH
Mar 19th, 2003, 09:03 PM
So I say: well done Anna. Cannot blame her that some people believed in what they wanted to believe. She has smart advisers.

Tell me that you ain't jealous. Your post sounds so bitter ... as if Anna offended you personally.

Couldn't have said it better myself :)

*JR*
Mar 19th, 2003, 09:24 PM
Anna may well beat young Dinara, but we all know who has a brighter future. (Which dosen't mean Safina's even the best of the New Russians, either. Sveta's the best coached; Leena, I mean Lena, :p is the big bad babe, Vera Z. has great finesse, Sharky and Vera D. have limitless talent, Lina and Nadia have to stay healthy awhile 2C... Frankly, I think Harold talked too much. I know it was meant to boost Anna's confidence, but did he ova do it? BTW, the dimensions of a win vs. Dinara aren't necessarily predictive; @ the AO, she smoked Nagyova in the 1st round, I believe. Vaiva, am I jealous? Frankly, no, as I don't feel deprived and couldn't imagine having fotog's popping out @ me everywhere, etc. BTW, the smart advisors have private lives I presume. In 10 years, will Anna wish she had done it differently? Bitter @ Anna? Nope. Only one player I feel bitter towards, and you don't have to look far from your post... :eek: ;)

GBFH
Mar 19th, 2003, 09:32 PM
You're right, there isn't a debate about Annas' future prospects. I think most of Annas' fans will agree that her best days are long over.

Will Anna wish she had done it differently? Yes. But she ain't gonna give back those millions, either.

kournikovafan13
Mar 19th, 2003, 09:40 PM
Kournakovafan13 quoted as saying:
Anna's 2002 was, well, awful. But she did have some bright patches - and those clearly outshined any of Dinara's results last year. So I wouldn't quite say Dinara is flat out BETTER than Anna at the moment.

Ummm...Dinara WON a tournament last year! She already HAS a singles title on her resume! I don't believe Anna has won a singles tournament. I believe that even with Dinara's limited schedule (because of her age), she has achieved more than Anna. I would say FLAT OUT that Dinara is better than Anna at the moment.

Let's look at rankings.

63 DINARA (with 14 tournaments...so she can only add)
66 kournakova (18 tournaments)



Ok. I know this post was two pages ago, but: Wow. You are so ignorant; I can't even believe it.

Did I not just say in that post that I thought rankings were crap? Obviously Dinara is ranked ahead of Anna because Anna's points from February 2002 dropped off when she didn't play at all last month. PAY ATTENTION. It's not that difficult.

And Dinara winning Sopot is a great result, but titles aren't everything. Would you rather win a Tier III, or make the semi-finals of a Grand Slam? I know that is not the case of Dinara and Anna but that is my point. What were Dinara's best wins last year? Schnyder and Farina? Despite having easily the worst year of her career, Anna still beat Dementieva, Smashnova (twice), and Sugiyama last year.

Geez. Sorry, that was a pretty useless rant seeing it was a couple pages ago, but whatever. ;)

GBFH
Mar 19th, 2003, 09:42 PM
Nah, it was slowing down...we needed some new juice :)

vaiva
Mar 19th, 2003, 09:45 PM
Anna may well beat young Dinara, but we all know who has a brighter future. (Which dosen't mean Safina's even the best of the New Russians, either. Sveta's the best coached; Leena, I mean Lena, :p is the big bad babe, Vera Z. has great finesse, Sharky and Vera D. have limitless talent, Lina and Nadia have to stay healthy awhile 2C... Frankly, I think Harold talked too much. I know it was meant to boost Anna's confidence, but did he ova do it? BTW, the dimensions of a win vs. Dinara aren't necessarily predictive; @ the AO, she smoked Nagyova in the 1st round, I believe. Vaiva, am I jealous? Frankly, no, as I don't feel deprived and couldn't imagine having fotog's popping out @ me everywhere, etc. BTW, the smart advisors have private lives I presume. In 10 years, will Anna wish she had done it differently? Bitter @ Anna? Nope. Only one player I feel bitter towards, and you don't have to look far from your post... :eek: ;)

1. When Anna was about the same age as Dinara is now, she also had a bright future. And she was beating top players which Dinara has not done yet. So the brightness of the future is not guaranteed.

2. Nagyova, as you know, is in big slump this year. So beating her is not an accomplishment.

3. I'm not even going to talk about what you refer re bitterness. Others explained it very well to you. If you failed to undestand them, why should I give it another try. Besides, some words I might use to express my opinion may get me banned from this board.

I'd rather stay here for a while

anton
Mar 19th, 2003, 09:46 PM
go anna! :wavey:

GBFH
Mar 19th, 2003, 09:46 PM
Nah, it was slowing down...we needed some new juice :)

Nevermind ;)

~ The Leopard ~
Mar 19th, 2003, 09:54 PM
You are an asshole, plain and simple.

<joui snips out irrelevant comment relating to Frank Riley.>

I hope you feel better about me now.

lmao, jojo...your post was supposed to make me feel better about you?

FWIW, I don't really dislike you, despite the traits that make you such a "difficult" personality. You make some good posts about Anna's tennis, and you are a loyal fan.

I still don't see any trolls here. All the Anna fans in this thread are worthwhile posters. Those I consider trolls are the ones who hang around on the Anna board venting their jealousy of Enrique Iglesias or making Anna proposals of marriage. Unfortunately, that board is now so well stocked with trolls that it has almost completely lost its value.

Anyway, good luck to Anna against Dinara. If Anna shows up feeling confident, she'll win this easily. If she is nervous and tentative - and who could blame her at the moment? - she'll go down.

--joui the asshole :angel:

*JR*
Mar 19th, 2003, 11:17 PM
1. When Anna was about the same age as Dinara is now, she also had a bright future. And she was beating top players which Dinara has not done yet. So the brightness of the future is not guaranteed.

2. Nagyova, as you know, is in big slump this year. So beating her is not an accomplishment.

3. I'm not even going to talk about what you refer re bitterness. Others explained it very well to you. If you failed to undestand them, why should I give it another try. Besides, some words I might use to express my opinion may get me banned from this board.
I'd rather stay here for a while 1) Certainly Dinara could get injured (or just fail ala Elena D). All I meant was she has a clean slate now, physically (though I've often wondered about the "in Marat's footsteps" mental effect). As the W/S came up together (and Serena won their first Slam) that wouldn't compare. 2) Point well taken about Nagyova. Seems all the Slovaks have been having a Fed Cup hangova this year. 3) I fully understood the points made. I just disagree. So? As I said B4, I don't have or want autographs, don't use :worship: in posts, and have a different view of celebrities. I've talked with big politicians, etc. and just don't feel they're that different than us. BTW, based on what gets posted, I doubt that non (race, religion, orientation, etc.) hate speech gets anyone banned, but if that concerns you, you can curse me out in a PM if you'd prefer. (Just be nice about Lovely Lina)! :p :D

anton
Mar 20th, 2003, 12:12 AM
the match is tomorrow night?

GBFH
Mar 20th, 2003, 12:14 AM
Yep...stadium court :) Hopefully ESPN will have it!!!

anton
Mar 20th, 2003, 12:18 AM
Yep...stadium court :) Hopefully ESPN will have it!!!

:rolleyes: ESPJEN :rolleyes: does not broadcast tennis until SUnday i heard

GBFH
Mar 20th, 2003, 12:23 AM
REALLY?? What a crock of shit....why have a two-week tournament if they don't televise the first week? If they don't at least feature this match on sportscenter I'll... :mad:

Ugh, I hate relying on ESPN for tennis...

Leena
Mar 20th, 2003, 12:29 AM
REALLY?? What a crock of shit....why have a two-week tournament if they don't televise the first week? If they don't at least feature this match on sportscenter I'll... :mad:

Ugh, I hate relying on ESPN for tennis...
Sportscenter doesn't even feature the finals of majors... they only show a few points.

Here's what they'll do...

Preview of Anna before commercial - Har har, she's purrty.
Show her making a few errors.
Bad joke about her being married.
Over in 5 seconds.

GBFH
Mar 20th, 2003, 12:35 AM
Wow that sounds familiar...;)

anton
Mar 20th, 2003, 12:36 AM
Sportscenter doesn't even feature the finals of majors... they only show a few points.

Here's what they'll do...

Preview of Anna before commercial - Har har, she's purrty.
Show her making a few errors.
Bad joke about her being married.
Over in 5 seconds.


SCHEDULE OF PLAY FOR THURSDAY, MARCH 20, 2003

STADIUM - 11:00 AM START

1. WS1 Meilen Tu (USA) vs Bethanie Mattek (USA)
2. MS1 Franco Squillari (ARG) vs Mario Ancic (CRO)
3. WS1 Mashona Washington (USA) vs Sarah Taylor (USA)
4. MS1 Feliciano Lopez (ESP) vs Mark Philippoussis (AUS)

STADIUM - 7:00 PM START

1. MS1 Nicolas Kiefer (GER) vs Michael Chang (USA)
2. WS1 Dinara Safina (RUS) vs Anna Kournikova (RUS)

Leena, ESPN will show Anna hitting the ball when they come on say somthing like "Anna Kournikova's here" and then they will just show the result an hour later.

They try and trick you into watching all the other BS highlights. :rolleyes:

jojoseph
Mar 20th, 2003, 02:33 AM
lmao, jojo...your post was supposed to make me feel better about you?

FWIW, I don't really dislike you, despite the traits that make you such a "difficult" personality.

--joui the asshole :angel:

HAHA, you're talking about my personality?

seriously, what are smoking?

nothing you say is ever interesting, nothing you say is ever funny, you defend people that don't deserve any defending most of the time (aside from the latest Oct defense) which makes you a major asskisser, I don't think I need to go on. asshole, asskisser, it's all the same for you.

I like most of the people at that board, it's just I find myself having to defend myself from certain haters, you know the type.

Steam
Mar 20th, 2003, 03:28 AM
HAHA, you're talking about my personality?

seriously, what are smoking?

nothing you say is ever interesting, nothing you say is ever funny, you defend people that don't deserve any defending most of the time (aside from the latest Oct defense) which makes you a major asskisser, I don't think I need to go on. asshole, asskisser, it's all the same for you.

I like most of the people at that board, it's just I find myself having to defend myself from certain haters, you know the type.

I love how I randomly get mentioned in this thread. I feel like I'm living an Eminem song here, I mean, what would you guys do without me? Of course, you could also point out that I started living out "The Real Slim Shady" over a year ago when people started directly trying to be like me.

While I'd love to sit back, grab some popcorn and watch you two lamers have a flame war I will just be my usual kick ass self and interject here. Jojo, it is pretty hard to talk about your personality when it doesn't exist. And there is a difference between people "deserving" defending and "needing" defending. Joui does a little of both and that kind of pandering is what makes him pathetic.

Ok, now that I said my piece on that there is one thing that I want to comment on. Someone said something about one win not meaning that Anna would get on a roll and used Dani as an example. Obviously nothing is guaranteed and you never know what is going to happen but Anna's biggest problem is on-court confidence and I think that a title would drastically reduce that problem in the future. I just think that its a different problem than Hantuchova but then again, what the fuck do I know.

bballtenns
Mar 20th, 2003, 03:35 AM
i think anna will win :p

~ The Leopard ~
Mar 20th, 2003, 03:40 AM
nothing you say is ever interesting, nothing you say is ever funny, you defend people that don't deserve any defending most of the time (aside from the latest Oct defense) which makes you a major asskisser

<snip>

I like most of the people at that board, it's just I find myself having to defend myself from certain haters, you know the type.


1. Other people can judge whether my posts are worthwhile. Some may agree with you; I know that some disagree. Your particular opinion cuts no ice whatsoever.

2. For your information, an "asskisser" is a sycophant: someone who fawns over - or is servile to - those with power, in the hope of reward. If you think I have ever acted like that in my life, you are deluded. FWIW, I've often suffered for my refusal to behave like that. It is not the same as being friendly to someone who appears worthwhile, standing up for a pal, or simply calling it as you see it when someone is being criticised or attacked. I plead guilty of having done all those things from time to time, and I feel no shame about it. You OTOH are well-know for your ridiculous displays of sycophancy.

3. Only one person on the Anna board actually hates you as far as I know...assuming that he does. But the consensus among all the posters on that board who count for something is that you are an idiot. I actually give you credit where it is due (see my last post); however, I agree with them that you are either an idiot or someone whose personality leads you to do an impressive imitation of one.



Edit: just noticed Steam's post. Ho hum. I never "pander" to anyone, but I've covered that point. There is a difference between anything I have ever done and jojo's sycophancy to Anna.

anton
Mar 20th, 2003, 09:48 AM
"They can look, but they can't afford it."
http://www.venustennis.com/ltseptember.jpg
Danira, youre going

D


O

W

N!!! :D :wavey: :p

Mrs. Peel
Mar 20th, 2003, 03:52 PM
Actually...after seeing Sharapova getting her ass kicked yesterday by Els Callens...Anna actually has a good shot at beating Safina...

Anna's experience is an advantage. I've heard alot about these girls Sharapova, Safina, Zvoraneva...but haven't seen much from them consistantly against the top players. Anna's result might be shit lately but I think she still carries that reputation as a top player. She can do it....

auntie janie
Mar 20th, 2003, 04:12 PM
It is unusual to get tired of a match before it is even played, but I am already tired of this one! :o

I agree with those Anna fans who say it doesn't mean too much if Anna loses this match. Conversely, I also believe it does not mean too much if Anna wins it. The same goes for Dinara.

Why? Because neither one of these players is a big scalp AT THIS TIME. A victory, even a lopsided one, over either one of them can in no way be regarded as a big deal right now.

Strip away the "glamour" angle of this match-up and what we actually have here are two players ranked in the 60s; one of whom is young, raw, and very, very inexperienced in big marquee matches; and one of whom is returning from the latest in a string of injury layoffs. It's not exactly Agassi vs Sampras. :rolleyes:

I can't wait for it to be over with so we can get on with the rest of the tournament! So I will say ahead of time, "Congratulations to the winner. Now comes the hard part." :)

WhatTheDeuce
Mar 20th, 2003, 04:18 PM
It is unusual to get tired of a match before it is even played, but I am already tired of this one! :o

I agree with those Anna fans who say it doesn't mean too much if Anna loses this match. Conversely, I also believe it does not mean too much if Anna wins it. The same goes for Dinara.

Why? Because neither one of these players is a big scalp AT THIS TIME. A victory, even a lopsided one, over either one of them can in no way be regarded as a big deal right now.

Strip away the "glamour" angle of this match-up and what we actually have here are two players ranked in the 60s; one of whom is young, raw, and very, very inexperienced in big marquee matches; and one of whom is returning from the latest in a string of injury layoffs. It's not exactly Agassi vs Sampras. :rolleyes:

I can't wait for it to be over with so we can get on with the rest of the tournament! So I will say ahead of time, "Congratulations to the winner. Now comes the hard part." :)

COULDNT HAVE SAID IT BETTER MYSELF! ;) GO ANNA!!!!!!!!!!!

jojoseph
Mar 20th, 2003, 05:21 PM
1. Other people can judge whether my posts are worthwhile. Some may agree with you; I know that some disagree. Your particular opinion cuts no ice whatsoever.

2. For your information, an "asskisser" is a sycophant: someone who fawns over - or is servile to - those with power, in the hope of reward. If you think I have ever acted like that in my life, you are deluded. FWIW, I've often suffered for my refusal to behave like that. It is not the same as being friendly to someone who appears worthwhile, standing up for a pal, or simply calling it as you see it when someone is being criticised or attacked. I plead guilty of having done all those things from time to time, and I feel no shame about it. You OTOH are well-know for your ridiculous displays of sycophancy.


hey, smart one, remember how you so eloquently defended Frank Riley's psycho ass? Even up to the day I finally managed to get rid of him? Dude, get real, you'd defend a dog even if he got caught red-handed with the meat. All you do is defend people, even if they're wrong. Take for example the latest incident of Knopler interjecting her smartass comment about people having the nerve to actually :rolleyes: "defend"(oh, how could someone ever :rolleyes: ) anna over at anna's official site.

It's funny, though, she gets all jealous about people defending anna, then she gets defended by certain people after I flame on her for that crap. Who woulda thought. :rolleyes: Atleast she got what she wanted.


3. Only one person on the Anna board actually hates you as far as I know...assuming that he does. But the consensus among all the posters on that board who count for something is that you are an idiot. I actually give you credit where it is due (see my last post); however, I agree with them that you are either an idiot or someone whose personality leads you to do an impressive imitation of one.


Only Steam actually hates me because of his jealous rage. Note his chiming in in this thread.


Edit: just noticed Steam's post. Ho hum. I never "pander" to anyone, but I've covered that point. There is a difference between anything I have ever done and jojo's sycophancy to Anna.

It was obvious that Frank Riley needed to go and you defended him up until the point I managed to get rid of him.

I proved that knopler's comment was uncalled for, unneeded, and deserved to be apologized for and you still defended her like it was no big deal and did nothing wrong.

You'll note I am not exactly defending anna with all of this misleading she's done with the marriage ordeal. There's a reason for that, and it's not because I like to kiss ass. I am always objective and like to stay open-minded. I defend those that actually deserve defending. This includes anna and any other player on the tour. The haters can just kiss me ass for all I care, and this includes some at anna's site, including you. However, I have my own supporters, the good people. Just shut the hell up and move along now. Your opinion is no longer needed in this thread.

the cat
Mar 20th, 2003, 07:57 PM
Janie, if Anna gets beaten by Dinara it will be a devastating blow to her comeback! :eek: She should have enough to keep Dinara off balance with her slices, chips and dips.

And you're tired of the match because we've had to wait 2 days for it. And because the match has already been discussed a great deal.

Jojo, why did you make a mountain out of a molehill where Knop's comment was concerned? You seem so angry all the time now! And don't forget to talk some tennis every once in a while like you used to.

decemberlove
Mar 20th, 2003, 08:16 PM
*yawn

Dava
Mar 20th, 2003, 08:17 PM
Its not going to be a match that either will be proud of. Its like the Williams sisters. Its going to be difficult, playing each other after they visited a childrens ward together!!

auntie janie
Mar 20th, 2003, 08:22 PM
Janie .... And you're tired of the match because we've had to wait 2 days for it. And because the match has already been discussed a great deal.

LOL! Truer words were never spoken! (Escpecially by a cat!) :kiss:

apoet29
Mar 20th, 2003, 08:27 PM
:devil: Die Thread Die! :devil:

the cat
Mar 20th, 2003, 08:32 PM
Oh Janie! :o

I'm still trying to get used to the newer and more agressive apoet! :eek:

apoet29
Mar 20th, 2003, 08:37 PM
Cat,

Honestly, this will be a good match, but this thread has gone beyond discussing the match and become very personal. That is not what these threads are for and all of this over a match that hasn't even started yet!
I echo Janie's sentiments: best of luck to both ladies and good luck to the winner.

Again!

:devil: Die Thread Die :devil:

~ The Leopard ~
Mar 20th, 2003, 11:00 PM
Jojo, why did you make a mountain out of a molehill where Knop's comment was concerned? You seem so angry all the time now! And don't forget to talk some tennis every once in a while like you used to.

I'll simply second this comment. Jojo, you could be a good poster if you'd just calm down a bit and concentrate on talking about Anna's tennis. I've never hated or disliked you, but I've got tired of biting my tongue about the way you behave.

jojoseph
Mar 20th, 2003, 11:53 PM
Jojo, why did you make a mountain out of a molehill where Knop's comment was concerned? You seem so angry all the time now! And don't forget to talk some tennis every once in a while like you used to.

sorry, it had to do with proving my point that joui is an asskisser. I wouldn't have cared to comment if he hadn't have brought me into things when taking a shot at me originally earlier in this thread.

joui, just STFU, hypocrite

Steam
Mar 21st, 2003, 01:02 AM
It was obvious that Frank Riley needed to go and you defended him up until the point I managed to get rid of him.



You are still taking credit for that? Yeah, your "email campaign" was what did that, not Oct or Jug's messages to the staff. Of course not, it was your "wonderful" idea. Get a friggin clue.

"Jealous rage"? I have absolutely no reason to be jealous of you, outside of your inside track on winning the Freddie Mercury lookalike contest that I have dreamed of winning for many years now. Damn you!

Last I knew, talking down to one of my friends in a PM and then proceeding to kiss her ass on the message board is a good example of pandering. Thats what you do jouissant. I'm just telling it like it is. I don't even really need to brouch you kissing the ass of people that were fighting with me at the time in the hopes of getting me banned from this message board. Nah, no need to discuss that or you randomly following me into a rather serious thread to attempt to bash my character.

Oh and as far as my material goes, it must still be pretty fresh since some people are still copying it. I constantly change up my arsenal and that will be evident when my "Steam's Greatest Hits" book finally gets published.

jojoseph
Mar 21st, 2003, 01:11 AM
That was because some people were taking it to an extreme. Sometimes you go too far (see your numerous posts) in making your point, when basically you reiterate the same stuff over and over. Most people on kournikova.com are Anna fans. However, sometimes they have criticisms. You don't seem to understand this. That is why Knopfler interjected.

Please note the f in her name.


Apparently you don't even know what the hell you're talking about. Knopler's criticism was about people that defend anna. Oct and Jug were the only two people defending her at the time. They weren't doing anything out of the ordinary. How you associate that with "However, sometimes they have criticisms", makes absolutely no sense in context.

Lesson learned.....if you're gonna open your mouth, know what you're talking about first.

thanks


It's a good point. People would respect you a lot more if you just stuck to talking about tennis, which you seem to know a bit about. Continually arguing with people, notably Steam, makes you look like an infant. The same goes for Steam too. You keep stepping in and arguing, because you're "the best," which you may well be, who knows. But you just look stupid yourself, spouting out the same stuff time and time again. It was funny the first time - maybe it's time to get some new material.


Once again, get it right. Steam argues with me, not me arguing with him. If you had a brain you would go back through over 90 percent of the threads I've had problems in and see that it is exactly as I say.

Once again, if you're gonna open your mouth, know what you're talking about first.

thanks

jojoseph
Mar 21st, 2003, 01:17 AM
You are still taking credit for that? Yeah, your "email campaign" was what did that, not Oct or Jug's messages to the staff. Of course not, it was your "wonderful" idea. Get a friggin clue.
.

Jug and Oct had no power whatsoever over getting rid of Frank due to the fact that he already had a "Warning Issued" to his username. Because of that, we had to wait weeks before we could get rid of him. Finally, with that last post of his, I asked everyone to submit pm's to the staff to please get rid of him.

That was why he was finally banned. Everybody pitched in. Yes, I managed to help get rid of his ass, once and for all.

Know what you're talking about, then open your mouth.

thanks.


"Jealous rage"? I have absolutely no reason to be jealous of you, outside of your inside track on winning the Freddie Mercury lookalike contest that I have dreamed of winning for many years now. Damn you!


Yes, jealous rage. A blind pig could see that.


Oh and as far as my material goes, it must still be pretty fresh since some people are still copying it. I constantly change up my arsenal and that will be evident when my "Steam's Greatest Hits" book finally gets published.

I don't know anyone that would care to copy what you do, that is to be an ass, plain and simple.

Get over it, Mr. Narcissist.

Steam
Mar 21st, 2003, 01:17 AM
The answer to the question at this moment is apparently no. Come on Anna. Get with it.

Steam
Mar 21st, 2003, 01:21 AM
Jug and Oct had no power whatsoever over getting rid of Frank due to the fact that he already had a "Warning Issued" to his username. Because of that, we had to wait weeks before we could get rid of him. Finally, with that last post of his, I asked everyone to submit pm's to the staff to please get rid of him.


You really are delusional. I'll let you keep believing that you had a part in anything.

Ok, sorry to interrupt your nonsensical ranting. You may proceed.

Steam
Mar 21st, 2003, 01:27 AM
you guys should stop fighting in here and go cheer Anya on because the match is almost over with her losing the first set 6:1 :eek: :wavey:

Doesn't matter what the score was, she lost the set. She can still make a comeback if she ever decides to remove her head from her ass.

jojoseph
Mar 21st, 2003, 01:33 AM
Steam, it is exactly as I say it is. I don't lie. You know that.

you guys should stop fighting in here and go cheer Anya on because the match is almost over with her losing the first set 6:1 :eek: :wavey:

we're all in the chat room at anna's site, things are looking grim at the moment, though

c'mon anna :bounce:

SerialKiller#69
Mar 21st, 2003, 01:34 AM
and is now leading the 2nd set 3-1...

geez,i've had enough ups and downs with this girl.
go anna!

Steam
Mar 21st, 2003, 01:35 AM
Steam, it is exactly as I say it is. I don't lie. You know that.


You have lied many times. And once again, it is not how you say. Ask someone who actually knows what he is talking about since you sure as hell don't. Understand?

~ The Leopard ~
Mar 21st, 2003, 01:36 AM
As usual you don't know what you're talking about when it comes to me, Steam. There is no need to bring whorehand into this. She's my friend, too. As for jojo suggesting that I kissed up to Frank: how ludicrous. I was one of his constant critics, even if I spent less time than some whining about how he should be banned.

Anyway, with Anna going down the gurgler rapidly, let's move on. If she doesn't get her act together the press is going to have a field day.

jojoseph
Mar 21st, 2003, 01:53 AM
You have lied many times. And once again, it is not how you say. Ask someone who actually knows what he is talking about since you sure as hell don't. Understand?


Name one instance.

I can document you lying three times in just one thread alone.

I can easily document the thread that I'm referring to if you want. Just let me know, smart one.

Steam
Mar 21st, 2003, 01:56 AM
As usual you don't know what you're talking about when it comes to me, Steam. There is no need to bring whorehand into this. She's my friend, too. As for jojo suggesting that I kissed up to Frank: how ludicrous. I was one of his constant critics, even if I spent less time than some whining about how he should be banned.

Anyway, with Anna going down the gurgler rapidly, let's move on. If she doesn't get her act together the press is going to have a field day.

I believe I know much more about you then you think. I provided a very good example of you pandering when you implored me to defend her against some random jobber even though she was more than capable of doing it herself. She didn't need my help regardless of what you tried to imply. Then you continue to try and kiss her ass. Nice try geck.


By the way, WAY TO GO ANNA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WHOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Steam
Mar 21st, 2003, 02:00 AM
Name one instance.

I can document you lying three times in just one thread alone.

I can easily document the thread that I'm referring to if you want. Just let me know, smart one.

You just lied right there. You lied in the other long thread on here. That is your M.O. . No matter how many times I provide evidence you just make an excuse and try to spin it around in some ridiculous fashion. You can document a thread all you want but that doesn't tell the story behind the scenes in that case or a few other ones.

~ The Leopard ~
Mar 21st, 2003, 02:05 AM
I believe I know much more about you then you think. I provided a very good example of you pandering when you implored me to defend her against some random jobber even though she was more than capable of doing it herself. She didn't need my help regardless of what you tried to imply. Then you continue to try and kiss her ass. Nice try geck.


I did indeed suggest to you that you help me shut up some troll that was fighting with sammy. Guilty as charged, if that's all you mean, but I feel no shame about it. You did actually make a post in the end.

That was a long time ago and she and I remain friends. I don't know why you have such a big problem about the incident when she doesn't.

Btw, being friendly with someone you like is not "kissing ass". "Kissing ass" refers to ingratiating yourself with the mods or other people who might have power...or trying to attract Anna's attention.

GO ANNA! What's the score?

Steam
Mar 21st, 2003, 02:10 AM
I did indeed suggest to you that you help me shut up some troll that was fighting with sammy. Guilty as charged, if that's all you mean, but I feel no shame about it. You did actually make a post in the end.

That was a long time ago and she and I remain friends. I don't know why you have such a big problem about the incident when she doesn't.

Btw, being friendly with someone you like is not "kissing ass". "Kissing ass" refers to ingratiating yourself with the mods or other people who might have power...or trying to attract Anna's attention.

GO ANNA! What's the score?

I wish I still had that PM since you extremely condescending towards her. Anyone who is a match for me can sure as hell handle themselves against Joe Troll. If I remember correctly I replied so you would leave me the fuck alone.

I sure as hell hope you aren't implying me in that last paragraph.

jojoseph
Mar 21st, 2003, 02:11 AM
You just lied right there. You lied in the other long thread on here. That is your M.O. . No matter how many times I provide evidence you just make an excuse and try to spin it around in some ridiculous fashion. You can document a thread all you want but that doesn't tell the story behind the scenes in that case or a few other ones.

Detail exactly where I have lied. You have not yet.

I would love to see this.

Steam
Mar 21st, 2003, 02:16 AM
Detail exactly where I have lied. You have not yet.

I would love to see this.

How many times do I need to do this? I constantly provide you with examples. Constantly. Now you want me to provide examples of my examples?

You lied when you said that you got rid of anybody. You had nothing to do with that.

Crazy Canuck
Mar 21st, 2003, 02:18 AM
You guys should really all go at it on MSN.

Then again, we'd all miss out on the fun of reading it ;)

jojoseph
Mar 21st, 2003, 02:19 AM
How many times do I need to do this? I constantly provide you with examples. Constantly. Now you want me to provide examples of my examples?

You lied when you said that you got rid of anybody. You had nothing to do with that.

just hang on, asshole, I'm bringing up the thread right now...

Steam
Mar 21st, 2003, 02:21 AM
You guys should really all go at it on MSN.

Then again, we'd all miss out on the fun of reading it ;)

Doesn't matter what medium is used, nothing works. This is just the better option since maybe just maybe someone will say something that will click in his tiny brain and make him realize that he's wrong.

I seriously hope that reading this isn't fun. It is pretty fucking pathetic and the worst part of it is that I'm prominently involved.

~ The Leopard ~
Mar 21st, 2003, 02:29 AM
I sure as hell hope you aren't implying me in that last paragraph.

Yes, I really did think you might know the score.

I damn sure was not "condescending" about sammy. You may have interpreted it that way, but I actually have a lot of respect for her. You can hold all sorts of things against me if you want, but this one is ridiculous. People used to get together to shut up trolls all the time. It in no way reflects on sammy.

jojoseph
Mar 21st, 2003, 03:12 AM
Doesn't matter what medium is used, nothing works. This is just the better option since maybe just maybe someone will say something that will click in his tiny brain and make him realize that he's wrong.

I seriously hope that reading this isn't fun. It is pretty fucking pathetic and the worst part of it is that I'm prominently involved.

bingo! I found it.

this thread says it all.....

http://community.kournikova.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=4104&perpage=15&highlight=private%20message&pagenumber=3

Even Oct states that he couldn't get rid of him, unfortunately. However, the day after everyone sent their messages, he was gone.

Steam, now just shut up and mind your own and quit trying to hate.

thanx

juggler
Mar 21st, 2003, 03:13 AM
Jug and Oct had no power whatsoever over getting rid of Frank due to the fact that he already had a "Warning Issued" to his username. Because of that, we had to wait weeks before we could get rid of him. Finally, with that last post of his, I asked everyone to submit pm's to the staff to please get rid of him.

That was why he was finally banned. Everybody pitched in. Yes, I managed to help get rid of his ass, once and for all.

Know what you're talking about, then open your mouth.

thanks.


Jojo you are truly delusional here. It was nothing to do with everyone sending PM's to staff that finally got Frank banned, it was about us finally getting in contact with staff to fix the problem. You see we had tried to ban Frank for some time, but couldnt due to some error in the software (most likely as a result of him alredy being banned from the tennis forum). It was almost a month (seemed that long anyway) that this went on before the problem was rectified. As soon as we got hold of staff, they replied and banned him instantly.

jojoseph
Mar 21st, 2003, 03:19 AM
Jojo you are truly delusional here. It was nothing to do with everyone sending PM's to staff that finally got Frank banned, it was about us finally getting in contact with staff to fix the problem. You see we had tried to ban Frank for some time, but couldnt due to some error in the software (most likely as a result of him alredy being banned from the tennis forum). It was almost a month (seemed that long anyway) that this went on before the problem was rectified. As soon as we got hold of staff, they replied and banned him instantly.

really now? And it happened to come the day AFTER everyone sent their messages that day in that thread?

umm....how convenient

juggler
Mar 21st, 2003, 03:21 AM
really now? And it happened to come the day AFTER everyone sent their messages that day in that thread?

how convenient


what can i say a coincidence? that they decided to ban him after getting bombarded with 3 PM's

jojoseph
Mar 21st, 2003, 03:23 AM
what can i say a coincidence? that they decided to ban him after getting bombarded with 3 PM's

umm...right cooincidental it was indeed, a little too cooincidental

Steam
Mar 21st, 2003, 03:23 AM
Jojo you are truly delusional here. It was nothing to do with everyone sending PM's to staff that finally got Frank banned, it was about us finally getting in contact with staff to fix the problem. You see we had tried to ban Frank for some time, but couldnt due to some error in the software (most likely as a result of him alredy being banned from the tennis forum). It was almost a month (seemed that long anyway) that this went on before the problem was rectified. As soon as we got hold of staff, they replied and banned him instantly.

You really have to stop being such a hata'. Did you just gulp down a 32oz cup or Haterade or something? Don't hate, appreciate.

jojoseph
Mar 21st, 2003, 03:25 AM
You really have to stop being such a hata'. Did you just gulp down a 32oz cup or Haterade or something? Don't hate, appreciate.

I agree.

juggler
Mar 21st, 2003, 03:25 AM
You really have to stop being such a hata'. Did you just gulp down a 32oz cup or Haterade or something? Don't hate, appreciate.

word

jojoseph
Mar 21st, 2003, 03:27 AM
don't hate, congratulate

jojoseph
Mar 21st, 2003, 03:36 AM
Jojo you are truly delusional here. It was nothing to do with everyone sending PM's to staff that finally got Frank banned, it was about us finally getting in contact with staff to fix the problem. You see we had tried to ban Frank for some time, but couldnt due to some error in the software (most likely as a result of him alredy being banned from the tennis forum). It was almost a month (seemed that long anyway) that this went on before the problem was rectified. As soon as we got hold of staff, they replied and banned him instantly.

I recall our conversations vividly as if they happened yesterday. You specifically said that you could not even get a hold of them, this the day before that thread occurred. It's amazing that without even being able to get a hold of them, that you managed to get a hold of them the night that thread took place.

like I said, too cooincidental

Steam
Mar 21st, 2003, 03:40 AM
I recall our conversations vividly as if they happened yesterday. You specifically said that you could not even get a hold of them, this the day before that thread occurred. It's amazing that without even being able to get a hold of them, that you managed to get a hold of them the night that thread took place.

like I said, too cooincidental

While history is being rewritten here I went back and checked one of my old social studies books and miraculously what did I find on page 456 but this:

Jojo finds the cure to polio


Wow, great work jojo.

jojoseph
Mar 21st, 2003, 03:42 AM
While history is being rewritten here I went back and checked one of my old social studies books and miraculously what did I find on page 456 but this:

Jojo finds the cure to polio


Wow, great work jojo.

that's impossible, jug found it first, and just hours before I did, amazing

Crazy Canuck
Mar 21st, 2003, 03:51 AM
I need a refresher. Who is fighting with who?

juggler
Mar 21st, 2003, 03:54 AM
I recall our conversations vividly as if they happened yesterday. You specifically said that you could not even get a hold of them, this the day before that thread occurred. It's amazing that without even being able to get a hold of them, that you managed to get a hold of them the night that thread took place.

like I said, too cooincidental

message from staff to us in the mod forum...

"We've just issued him with a life ban. He also registered under another alias and we banned that too."

Steam
Mar 21st, 2003, 03:54 AM
I need a refresher. Who is fighting with who?'

Lets see, I'm "fighting" (not really a good word to use when I'm so clearly winning) jojo and jouissant. And jojo is losing to everybody else. If wtaworld was the WWF, jojo would be Jose Luis Rivera.

Steam
Mar 21st, 2003, 03:55 AM
message from staff to us in the mod forum...

"We've just issued him with a life ban. He also registered under another alias and we banned that too."

In response to THEIR comments and concerns.

jojoseph
Mar 21st, 2003, 04:02 AM
message from staff to us in the mod forum...

"We've just issued him with a life ban. He also registered under another alias and we banned that too."

no duh, you'd been doing that for weeks with no response either

once again, how cooincidental that he just happened to get banned that night

jojoseph
Mar 21st, 2003, 04:05 AM
'

Lets see, I'm "fighting" (not really a good word to use when I'm so clearly winning) jojo and jouissant. And jojo is losing to everybody else. If wtaworld was the WWF, jojo would be Jose Luis Rivera.

If I'm I'm losing the argument to joui, then by definition, you're losing that argument as well since we're both saying he's an asskisser, smart one

think about it and use your brain, or whatever's left from all the paint thinner can incidents

Steam
Mar 21st, 2003, 04:10 AM
If I'm I'm losing the argument to joui, then by definition, you're losing that argument as well since we're both saying he's an asskisser, smart one

think about it and use your brain, or whatever's left from all the paint thinner can incidents


You seriously need to get your own material, you are very very unoriginal.

Yes, he has a habit of kissing ass and pandering to people but you lost when you continued to dwell on a comment that was justified and tried to spin it your way.

juggler
Mar 21st, 2003, 04:14 AM
no duh, you'd been doing that for weeks with no response either

once again, how cooincidental that he just happened to get banned that night

well how come they didnt reply to one of your PM's? or reply to the other thousands of PM's they got. Oh yeah, thats why, because there probably were too many.

jojoseph
Mar 21st, 2003, 04:15 AM
well how come they didnt reply to one of your PM's? or reply to the other thousands of PM's they got. Oh yeah, thats why, because there probably were too many.

all everyone wanted was to get rid of Frank. They weren't exactly looking for a response.

decemberlove
Mar 21st, 2003, 04:17 AM
*double yawn

decemberlove
Mar 21st, 2003, 04:45 AM
Now how on Earth did I get my name dragged into this? I am clearly very famous :kiss: :kiss: for all my fans.

we already know you're famous no need to rub it in ;)

:kiss:

as for anna, i'm not surprised at all. i gave up a while ago. i wasn't expecting her to even get past round 2, especially after not playing for so long.

too many anna fans live in the past.

~ The Leopard ~
Mar 21st, 2003, 04:46 AM
Now how on Earth did I get my name dragged into this? I am clearly very famous :kiss: :kiss: for all my fans.
:kiss: @ knop

curse @anna

decemberlove
Mar 21st, 2003, 04:48 AM
:kiss: @ knop

curse @anna

*throws shoe at joui

where's MY kiss?

hmph

~ The Leopard ~
Mar 21st, 2003, 04:50 AM
*throws shoe at joui

where's MY kiss?

hmph

Awwwww, here you go. I'll plant it on your nose. *smooch* :kiss:

vs1
Mar 21st, 2003, 04:52 AM
Congratulations Dinara!!! You are da bomb! :hearts: :angel:

*JR*
Mar 21st, 2003, 01:57 PM
2)R2-D2:



Fact: Anna does have glamour appeal. That's life, accept it. Society is based on materialistic values. Is it right? Probably not. But what can we do about it? Nothing at all.

Rd, you have made your point numerous times about how you disagree with the way that Anna Kournikova cashes in on her looks. Fair enough, that's your view. But we get the idea by now. It is unecessary to do it in every single post. As someone pointed out earlier, you sound very bitter - do you resent good looking people or something? The same goes for Leena. Jealousy gets you nowhere in life.


Now, Jonnnathan......... If calling me names makes you feel better, go right ahead. But let me answer the questions. What people could "do about it" is just tune Anna out, stop buying the calendars and videos, etc. (I don't resent good looking people, only ones who cheapen the image of their profession by taking mega bucks 2B, face it, paid out of any proportion to their performance. Rachel McQuillan could have gone that route, for example, but chose not to). Re. the endless war between Jojo, Steam, and Jouissant about who did what to who on what BB, I neither know the history nor care to; @ present, all are "realists" re. Anna, though yet to just accept that she's let them down by not giving up the distractions to just get her game together. Lastly, let me suggest to Steam that you add a word to the lexicon. In another post, I acknowledged having misused the word "trolls", as the people in question indeed care about Anna's game. You need one for those who "know" she'll have success, who treat every match of hers like a crusade, etc. because of her looks; in other words, the "Anna, you've got to win BECAUSE you're soooo hot" types.

GBFH
Mar 21st, 2003, 02:48 PM
:wavey: hey dlandy...remember our debate like three pages back about Anna's love of tennis?

But as I got older, it was like, you know, "Why am I here? Do I really want to do this?"

Straight from Annas' mouth :)

I'm not saying she doesn't love tennis, but it's obvious with all of the distractions and injuries that she has at least questioned her love of tennis...then again, this is natural for someone her age, who's been doing the same thing for nearly seventeen years. She's obviously answered in the affirmative for the latter question :)

She lost the match...like I thought she would...does it really matter? Not really. She'll get out of the slump. Keep working, Anna!!! :)

the cat
Mar 21st, 2003, 03:23 PM
What the heck is going on here? :confused:

Who got banned?

And GBFH posted the same Kournikova quote that tennischick posted elsewhere at WTA World! :eek: The question is, are they the same person?

Who is Nicci, Knop?

And Knop, while you're planning your post Oscar kisses for Jouissant and Miss Love, please don't forget about me, your favorite feline! :angel: Okay? Rumour has it you like whiskers. So please just think of me as Mr. Whiskers! ;)

GBFH
Mar 21st, 2003, 03:45 PM
What the heck is going on here? :confused:

Who is Nicci, Knop?

Who got banned?

And GBFH posted the same Kournikova quote that tennischick posted elsewhere at WTA World! :eek: The question is, are they the same person?

Well, as to your first question, this has turned into a quasi-arguement between jojoseph, jouissant, and Steam. Apparently, all of it stemming from kournikova.com message boards.

Don't know.

Someone named Frank Riley, I guess.

LOL, total coincidence :) I am not tennischick. I used the quote to continue a debate I had with dlandy back on pages three and four of this thread.

jojoseph
Mar 21st, 2003, 04:12 PM
Well, as to your first question, this has turned into a quasi-arguement between jojoseph, jouissant, and Steam. Apparently, all of it stemming from kournikova.com message boards.

Don't know.

Someone named Frank Riley, I guess.

LOL, total coincidence :) I am not tennischick. I used the quote to continue a debate I had with dlandy back on pages three and four of this thread.

enough about that garbage, the sad thing is that anna lost and........AGAIN. There is little hope she will ever be the dominant player that most have thought she would amount to. The good times have since long gone and there isn't even a mere glimpse of the player that first came on the scene taking venus to the final and being a menace.

She couldn't even get past the first round in her home city and obviously just fell apart especially with her serve.