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Sofiane
Mar 17th, 2003, 02:09 AM
Both Kim and JenJen are great champions and great athletes, in my opinion after seeing both Kim and Jenn against Lindsay, the big difference between them is :
1. Change of pace, Kim changes the pace more naturally than Jennifer.
2. Corners : Kim moves the ball around the court better than Jennifer.
However Jennifer hits the ball flatter which looks like a harder ball, and I think she has harder first serve (when she goes for it).

But I think this two points made Kim defeating Lindsay in two, and JenJen loosing to Lindsay in three.

My humble opinion, what do u guys think?

Sofiane.

LeonHart
Mar 17th, 2003, 02:17 AM
Jen can't slide across the court like Kim can, and her defensive shots aren't as good as Kim either.

mboyle
Mar 17th, 2003, 02:30 AM
Kim has good offense and the game's best defense.

Jennifer has close to the game's best offense, but almost no defense. (when on the run, she goes for it all)

Kim can do both, Jennifer can't. In today's game, both are necessary.

Gowza
Mar 17th, 2003, 02:34 AM
i've always thought that jen is a bit more aggressive. she still gets in rallies like kim bu7t she'll go for the winner sooner than kim. of course that could just be jen being impatient so who knows.

BasicTennis
Mar 17th, 2003, 03:09 AM
1. at this stage in their careers, Kim has improved big time whilst Jenny is stuck with her game.

2. Kim is nice while Jen is a bitch.

Robbie.
Mar 17th, 2003, 03:57 AM
1. Jenn is a champion

2. Kim is not (yet)

spencercarlos
Mar 17th, 2003, 06:26 AM
Davenport usually beats Jennifer is just a matter how the game of Jennifer suits Lindsay´s.

Even in 2001 Jennifer´s great year, she was able to beat her just once, in fact Jennifer does not beat Davenport since Ao Semi 2001.

By the way and by contrast Jennifer 2 of 3 slam wins have gone throught Kim Clijsters, 2001 Rg and 2002 Aopen.

So its not about someone being better than the other just because they win/lose vs somebody.
But being better than the other implies to talk about slam wins, that´s where Jennifer right now tops Kim.

tennisIlove09
Mar 17th, 2003, 07:07 AM
Kim has good offense and the game's best defense.

Jennifer has close to the game's best offense, but almost no defense. (when on the run, she goes for it all)

Kim can do both, Jennifer can't. In today's game, both are necessary.

Kim has the best defense? Maybe after the sisters...especially Venus.

spencercarlos
Mar 17th, 2003, 08:13 AM
Kim has good offense and the game's best defense.

Jennifer has close to the game's best offense, but almost no defense. (when on the run, she goes for it all)

Kim can do both, Jennifer can't. In today's game, both are necessary.
Jennifer bad defense?

Sofiane
Mar 17th, 2003, 12:17 PM
Who said Kim is better than Jennifer in this post? not me.
I said what Kim does differently from Jennifer, cause evrybody talked about how much their game is similar with which I desagree.

mboyle
Mar 17th, 2003, 12:23 PM
Kim has the best defense? Maybe after the sisters...especially Venus.
Sorry, but Kim's is best IMO. They both get to the same # of balls, but Kim ALWAYS gets them back deep and with HEAVY slice. The sisters just try and pound the ball (which usually goes out), and I call that offense not defense.

Experimentee
Mar 17th, 2003, 12:26 PM
The Williams sisters defense is the best IMO. They always get balls back deep that some players would not even reach. Kims is second best, then Jenns.

selesrules
Mar 17th, 2003, 12:39 PM
Both Kim and JenJen are great champions and great athletes, in my opinion after seeing both Kim and Jenn against Lindsay, the big difference between them is :
1. Change of pace, Kim changes the pace more naturally than Jennifer.
2. Corners : Kim moves the ball around the court better than Jennifer.
However Jennifer hits the ball flatter which looks like a harder ball, and I think she has harder first serve (when she goes for it).

But I think this two points made Kim defeating Lindsay in two, and JenJen loosing to Lindsay in three.

My humble opinion, what do u guys think?

Sofiane.

I think that it's irrelevant to compare them. JENNIFER is a no.1 player and has 3 grandslams. KIM hasn't proved herself yet. So your first sentence claiming that they are both great champions is false at this point.

Mattographer
Mar 17th, 2003, 12:56 PM
Jennifer played much better against Serena than Kim. Both even against Venus.

Josh
Mar 17th, 2003, 12:57 PM
I think that it's irrelevant to compare them. JENNIFER is a no.1 player and has 3 grandslams. KIM hasn't proved herself yet. So your first sentence claiming that they are both great champions is false at this point.

Kim has won the Masters, something Jennifer has never done.

Josh
Mar 17th, 2003, 12:57 PM
Jennifer played much better against Serena than Kim. Both even against Venus.

Jennifer has never beaten Venus, Kim has.

oggie
Mar 17th, 2003, 12:58 PM
The difference is that one of them is nice, the other is not.

Mattographer
Mar 17th, 2003, 12:59 PM
Jennifer has never beaten Venus, Kim has.
I know but remember Key Biscayne 2001 Final? Jennifer had umm... 8 match points!

Josh
Mar 17th, 2003, 01:00 PM
I know but remember Key Biscayne 2001 Final? Jennifer had umm... 8 match points!

And how many of those 8 did Venus save?
You don't win by almost beating someone.

Rollo
Mar 17th, 2003, 01:01 PM
To steal a Pete Sampras quote-the difference between Kim and Jennifer (for now) is 3 slams:)

Mattographer
Mar 17th, 2003, 01:01 PM
And how many of those 8 did Venus save?
You don't win by almost beating someone.
Yeah, whatever.

Sofiane
Mar 17th, 2003, 01:27 PM
Perhaps it is my english, that makes my threads unclear, But I was talking about the difference tennis Wise and not about how much each has achieved. I mean, I am not stupid I know Jen won 3 slams and Kim zero, you guys don't have to come here to tell it to me. As we say in french I am not born from the latest rain weh it comes to tennis.

disposablehero
Mar 17th, 2003, 01:36 PM
Yeah, whatever.

Well, if not converting match points is good enough, then I guess Kim beat Serena again to go to the Australian Open Final.

graf630
Mar 17th, 2003, 02:38 PM
Everyones game matches up differently with different players.Example: player A can beat player B 6/1 6/1,but loses to player C 6/1 6/1.Then player C turns around and beats player B 6/1 6/1.

I think their playing styles are very different. And I don't think Jennifer has played to her potential.She has what 13 titles? I can't think of anyone else with so few titles to her name,and 3 of the 13, being Grand Slam titles. I think over the past 2-3 years,she should have had at least 5 more titles.But we all know why she doesn't.Jennifer still has many years ahead of her.Lets hope she can get over the mental hump and play like we all know she can.
Kim on the other hand is improving fast. She can only get better.Just now starting on her 3rd full year on the tour,she already has 12 titles to her name.She is a very smart and athletic girl.Hopefully she sticks around long enough to win a few slams,like she has potential to do.But it will not be easy with the field of players she will have to go through.
We should see quite a few good matches between these two players over the next couple of years.I for one am looking forward to their next match up. :bounce:

Cybelle Darkholme
Mar 17th, 2003, 02:44 PM
Sorry, but Kim's is best IMO. They both get to the same # of balls, but Kim ALWAYS gets them back deep and with HEAVY slice. The sisters just try and pound the ball (which usually goes out), and I call that offense not defense.


everyone knows that offense is the best defense. when youre on the defense youre not in control youre being dictated to and not dictating. The top players always want to be in control of the match. Venus and Serena are the best defensive players in the game. Its just true its not an opinion. saying kim is the best defensive player is like saying kim has the best serve, she doesn't.

S-T-E-V-E
Mar 17th, 2003, 04:55 PM
2. Kim is nice while Jen is a bitch.[/QUOTE]

A brainless post, or what?

Glenn
Mar 17th, 2003, 05:02 PM
To steal a Pete Sampras quote-the difference between Kim and Jennifer (for now) is 3 slams:)

And 2 ranking spots. :)

Gonzo Hates Me!
Mar 17th, 2003, 05:03 PM
I've always thought Jenn had one of the best feels for the ball, great precision (however, not the case against Davenport, don't know why).

Volcana
Mar 17th, 2003, 05:50 PM
Sorry, but Kim's is best IMO. They both get to the same # of balls, but Kim ALWAYS gets them back deep and with HEAVY slice. The sisters just try and pound the ball (which usually goes out), and I call that offense not defense.

The ball usually going out does explain the nine GS singles titles between them.

ys
Mar 17th, 2003, 05:54 PM
The ball usually going out does explain the nine GS singles titles between them.

Of course.. Corrupted linesmen all over the world..

Rollo
Mar 17th, 2003, 07:23 PM
Perhaps it is my english, that makes my threads unclear, But I was talking about the difference tennis Wise and not about how much each has achieved. I mean, I am not stupid I know Jen won 3 slams and Kim zero, you guys don't have to come here to tell it to me. As we say in french I am not born from the latest rain weh it comes to tennis.

Relax Sofiane-my post did have a smiley face:) and people were doing a good job putting out the differences IMO. Sorry if got too smart-assy.

Seriously-some diffs no one has mentioned yet.

EXPERIENCE-Kim is getting it but Capriati still has the upper hand here-and it does make a difference. Clijsters still tends to choke more (Jen chokes too of course) and a losing match like Kim's to Serena is valuable.
Once Kim gets one slam under her belt she'll be entirely different.

BALL Consistency-Clijsters can do this better. Jen has longer periods where she can't keep a ball in court. Both have probs on the forehand side though-Clijsters in particular.

EXPLOSIVENESS-Jen rates higher here. Kim can move just as fast, if not faster, but Capriati can start hiting winners left and right in a manner Kim can't.

DROP SHOT-Clijsters has an impressive drop when it's on. She uses it more than Jennifer.

While Clijsters may have more variety-a lot of that has to do with the fact that she thinks more on court than Jen. Stroke-wise Capriati actually has some variety off her backhand, which she sometimes slices.

BITCHINESS-Jen has it-Kim less so. Talk from Clijsters like "my goal is not to be #1" makes me ill. I like my champs bitchy (hungry to win).
bitchy champs win more titles-ask Kim's boyfriend Hewitt :)

jenny161185
Mar 17th, 2003, 10:19 PM
Kim the masters,jen hasn't!!!!!! so what I think Id rather have three grandslams and being no1 in the world than win the end of year championships :rolleyes:

leslie
Mar 17th, 2003, 10:44 PM
Kim the masters,jen hasn't!!!!!! so what I think Id rather have three grandslams and being no1 in the world than win the end of year championships :rolleyes:

I agree with you. The slams will be in the history book. I am not sure about the EYC.

Rollo
Mar 18th, 2003, 01:34 AM
While I agree that Kim's WTA finale win doesn't equal a slam-it's important. EVERY tour ending winner has gone to win a slam within two years. If this holds true (and it's worked 31 years now:) Kim will win a slam this year or next.

kennethw
Mar 18th, 2003, 02:05 AM
And how many of those 8 did Venus save?
You don't win by almost beating someone.exactly. venus gave it harder than she got back. no matter how great capriati played.....venus was that much better.

BasicTennis
Mar 18th, 2003, 09:06 AM
Jenn has nothing left to offer.

Kim still has lots to offer.:D

magassi
Mar 18th, 2003, 11:11 AM
I would still pick Jennifer to win over Kim if they played right now.

DEETHELICK
Mar 18th, 2003, 03:04 PM
As everyone has said = 3 Slams

Kim's movement is great, but Jennifer still has more gas in her tank I feel in her matches.

Jennifer has far greater firepower than Kim, which is a huge asset, whilst Kim has the better variety in her game as she mixes up pace well and uses more funky shots to disrupt rythmn.

Jennifer will usually just bang away, away and away.

I always feel Jennifer's groundstrokes are more technically solid and more consistent. Kim's shots look crazy at times and that forehand can be ugly!

Defense wise, I'd say jennifer has the edge. Look at her matches versus Serena. Serena is the MOST aggressive player I have ever seen, and Jennifer soaks it up well. Kim OTOH can defend exceptionally, but nowhere near the quality of Jen.

Explosiveness is a huge asset in today's game, and Jen has tht ability to smack winners from anywhere on court, on either wing.

Also, Jen and Kim have played 3 times (if I'm correct) with their only being one victor.

When Kim has a bit more experience and works on her own explosiveness, she will be just as good as Jen.