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Jakeev
Mar 16th, 2003, 11:02 AM
I'm getting a little tired of some of the so wonderful critics around here that seem to have to lambast Lindsay Davenport's sudden "bad attitude" on court lately.

My first question is, what the hell is the problem? She is still winning matches and fighting to the finish as she always has.

You know it kind of makes me laugh. People used to say she was boring on court because she never showed much emotion. Now that she gets down on herself all of a sudden she went from boring to just plain negative.

Enough already. Let Lindsay be and let her do what she does best: play tennis.

brickhousesupporter
Mar 16th, 2003, 12:36 PM
Jakeev, Lindsay has always been negative when on court. I dont know where you get the idea that it is just all of a sudden.

Mikey
Mar 16th, 2003, 12:53 PM
I agree. That's how she does things. I swear Pam and Mary Joe (two of her good friends) like to hear themselves say it on camera so they can tell Lindsay that they said she should be more positive on national television. I guess they think that the more they say it, the better her attitude will be - clearly it hasn't worked :rolleyes:

Her match against Jennifer was the most positive match I have seen from her in a very long time (it was even better than her destruction of Eva Dryberg in the US Open that I saw). I was very impressed. That's how she does things and I think that if she DOESN'T show anger, she'll do worse by keeping it all inside.

tennnisfannn
Mar 16th, 2003, 01:10 PM
Whatever works for a player is fine with me. If Lindsay's 'bad' attitude wins her matches so be it. Intensity works for serena, "i am a closed shop' works for venus, let lindsay be!

auntie janie
Mar 16th, 2003, 01:34 PM
The commentators have their stock ideas about each player and they do tend to harp excessively on these ideas, even when the idea is no longer applicable. Hence we had Justine's past match-closing hiccups thrown at us time and time again during the Australian Open. Never mind that she had somehow managed to get to beat Serena in the past year, and to reach #4 with all these horrrendous mental ills. :rolleyes:

So their "bit" on Lindsay is her attitude, which they examine after each point in the match! Should Lindsay smile throughout a match? Please. Everyone has ups and downs in a long intense match.

Why posters on this board are suddenly harping on this issue when Lindsay is playing her best tennis in over a year is more strange, but it will pass quickly. Why? Because once the next tournament starts, no one will be thinking about Lindsay any more, as usual. And that's the way she and her fans like it. :hearts: :hearts: :hearts:

selesfan
Mar 16th, 2003, 03:14 PM
I notice she plays better when she has a positive attitude though. Even Lindsay remarked after her match that she didn't get down on herself and it helped her. She was upbeat and positive on friday and I hope she is positive today.

Dava
Mar 16th, 2003, 03:26 PM
Lindsay is by no means the worst for me it is Dani Hantuchova she can be just plain petulant on court when things dont go her way.

Car Key Boi
Mar 16th, 2003, 03:41 PM
I'm getting a little tired of some of the so wonderful critics around here that seem to have to lambast Lindsay Davenport's sudden "bad attitude" on court lately.

http://carkeyboi.com/cupofSTFU.jpg

- Car Key Boi

geoepee
Mar 16th, 2003, 04:13 PM
I notice she plays better when she has a positive attitude though. Even Lindsay remarked after her match that she didn't get down on herself and it helped her. She was upbeat and positive on friday and I hope she is positive today.
Exactly.

That's why people talk about on her oncourt attitude. When she's positive, she plays excellent tennis. When she's negative, she plays very negative tennis, she starts to miss even easy plays that she shouldn't all due to her negative attitude. I don't think it's a matter of her being boring or not. Sometimes she's too hard on herself, and it hurts her game more than it helps.

c2
Mar 16th, 2003, 04:26 PM
more "wisdom" from armchair experts. Cliff Drysdale, Pam Shriver, Mary Joe... NONE have won three majors.. .yet they're the expert on this (as well as Car key Boi, brickhousesupporter, etc.) NEWS FLASH... LINDSAY IS WINNING. Who cares how she looks on court? Did it ever occur to you geniuses that this is how she motivates herself?

joaco
Mar 16th, 2003, 07:43 PM
Once in an interview Lindsay mentioned was asked why she was so negative on court and why didn't she change it.

She said that when she started playing with Robert (her ex-coach) Robert told her that it would be better if instead of downning herself on court she'd try to be more positive and kind of "come on!" herself and everything. She said she tried that for a few time and that it didn't work for her, it made it worst and besides she was not that kind of person.

I believe that it wouldn't hurt her to be not so negative (NOTE I'm not saying positive) because it helps her game and she ssems to enjoy herself more.

Joaco

Jakeev
Mar 16th, 2003, 08:08 PM
Ah car key infantile as come out to play.....did you change your diapers his morning? Did your mommy remember to use baby powder?

Or can she afford baby powder?

c2
Mar 16th, 2003, 08:17 PM
hee hee Car Key Boi got edited, car key boi got edited tee hee ..... nyah nyah nyah

c2
Mar 16th, 2003, 08:19 PM
:razz:

WhatTheDeuce
Mar 16th, 2003, 08:34 PM
PLEASE! Lindsay is way too negative and people should should harp about it...Who slams a ball to the ground when they go up 3-1? She has a horrible attitude and she would do whatever she can to get rid of it...Against Jen she had positive looking body language the whole time and she pulled through. She looked pissed throughout the Clijsters match and she lost it despite leads in both sets...Her attitude hurts her alot and it's time she starts to do something about it...People should keep on harping about it until she does decide to fix it becuas IMO it's a big problem for her...

c2
Mar 16th, 2003, 08:38 PM
:rolleyes: you know dlandy there's this thing called spell check but you're a moron so obviously that's news to you

People "should" harp about it :rolleyes: Trying to stir the pot huh ? Puh-leeze. keep going so the moderators edit you too.

selesfan
Mar 16th, 2003, 08:39 PM
PLEASE! Lindsay is way too negative and people should should harp about it...Who slams a ball to the ground when they go up 3-1? She has a horrible attitude and she would do whatever she can to get rid of it...Against Jen she had positive looking body language the whole time and she pulled through. She looked pissed throughout the Clijsters match and she lost it despite leads in both sets...Her attitude hurts her alot and it's time she starts to do something about it...People should keep on harping about it until she does decide to fix it becuas IMO it's a big problem for her...

She looked negative walking onto the court, against Jen she was so cute, smiling and upbeat.

WhatTheDeuce
Mar 16th, 2003, 08:43 PM
:rolleyes: you know dlandy there's this thing called spell check but you're a moron so obviously that's news to you

People "should" harp about it :rolleyes: Trying to stir the pot huh ? Puh-leeze. keep going so the moderators edit you too.

What's your problem? It's just an opinion. Calm down. I'm sorry it bothers you that I spell some things wrong I didn't know I was in English class. :rolleyes:

WhatTheDeuce
Mar 16th, 2003, 08:45 PM
I've never seen someone attack me for a post that is completely reasonable and is just a simple opinion...

WhatTheDeuce
Mar 16th, 2003, 08:46 PM
and if you read alot of the other posts...they all have one or two mistakes also...who speels (i mean spells) everything perfectly all the time? you moron...

jpurkey1
Mar 16th, 2003, 10:04 PM
I notice she plays better when she has a positive attitude though. Even Lindsay remarked after her match that she didn't get down on herself and it helped her. She was upbeat and positive on friday and I hope she is positive today.
She DEFINITELY plays better when she has a better attitude (e.g. no slumped shoulders, no bouncing racquet, no disgusted looks).

WhatTheDeuce
Mar 16th, 2003, 10:50 PM
She DEFINITELY plays better when she has a better attitude (e.g. no slumped shoulders, no bouncing racquet, no disgusted looks).

This is exactly my point...c2 that nutcase is all over me for thinking that way...

CoryAnnAvants#1
Mar 16th, 2003, 10:56 PM
Clearly some of you don't play competetitive tennis. It's not just that it looks bad when Lindsay is so negative, but her opponents feed on it. They think "if I can just keep this up, she's gonna crack and the match is mine." They realize that THEY HAVE HER when she is slumping her shoulders, smacking balls, etc. When she does that, not only is she bringing down her energy level, she is raising her opponents energy level. I'm not saying it is an easy thing to change, and we are all guilty of doing what she does at some point, but it needs to be changed.

geewhiz
Mar 16th, 2003, 11:12 PM
Clearly some of you don't play competetitive tennis. It's not just that it looks bad when Lindsay is so negative, but her opponents feed on it. They think "if I can just keep this up, she's gonna crack and the match is mine." They realize that THEY HAVE HER when she is slumping her shoulders, smacking balls, etc. When she does that, not only is she bringing down her energy level, she is raising her opponents energy level. I'm not saying it is an easy thing to change, and we are all guilty of doing what she does at some point, but it needs to be changed.
But, as someone pointed out, she does that all the time, even when she is doing well. So maybe in her case it isn't really an indication of much at all, a bit like Martina H's endless grin even when things were going wrong. Consequently, it wouldn't be something her opponents could feed on because it doesn't really signify any change

Car Key Boi
Mar 16th, 2003, 11:18 PM
Ah car key infantile as come out to play.....did you change your diapers his morning? Did your mommy remember to use baby powder?

Or can she afford baby powder?

nope

last i heard mommy was beggin for loose change outside Churches Chicken and Taco Bell

- Car Key Boi

Car Key Boi
Mar 16th, 2003, 11:19 PM
hee hee Car Key Boi got edited, car key boi got edited tee hee ..... nyah nyah nyah

which post?

Jakeev
Mar 17th, 2003, 06:14 AM
You are entitled to your opinion dlandy22 but i does not mean you are right or that you even know anything about the person known as Lindsay Davenport.

Perhaps Lindsay has lost the mental edge she was known for. But suddenly because she shows some emotion on court that you deem negative, she is self destructing as a player? I think not.

Leave Lindsay be she will do just fine with or without your support.

Car key boi perhaps you need to go walk with her......since pampers are expensive she might save those nickels and dimes by sewing you some cloth ones......

Dawn Marie
Mar 17th, 2003, 06:30 AM
I don't care for that shoulder slumping and negative attitude, but it was also not nearly as bad as it was during the Oz open.

And another thing Pam being an announcer can get some fresh material already!! That was all she kept sayin' along with having the ignorant watchers thinking that Kim owns V@S! LMAO I think even Kim is laughing at her ass.

Let Pam tell it you'd think Kim beat V@S and V@S has done not one thing since then. Pam is a "shit miester".

SM
Mar 17th, 2003, 12:11 PM
poor or sub-par play from Lindsay PRECEDES the "negative attitude" IMO (WHTHER THE SCORE IS 3-1 FOR LINDAY IS IRRELEVANT cos she knows best how shes playing), not the other way around. Im sure if she wasnt playing her game against JEN we wouldve seen the same.

Pinkie
Mar 17th, 2003, 01:04 PM
Agreed, Lindsay shouldn't act in a way that feels unatural to her. She's just not on 'come on'-screaming fist-pumping kind of girl. On the other hand, her on-court attitude does affect her opponents.

Here's a quote from Kim's post-match press conference:

Q.* It also seemed like you closed out sets, your level raised.
*KIM CLIJSTERS:* Yeah, I think maybe, you know, I didn't start that well in the beginning of the two sets.* But, like you said, I think I ended them really well.* And I think that's really important.
*Also against Lindsay it's important to show that, you know, you're fighting and that you're trying to get to every ball, showing that you're really hungry to play.* I think I did that really well.
*I think she was, you know, maybe not* -- you know, I could tell, like her body language wasn't great, wasn't as good as when she played Jennifer.* So I knew that I had to just keep pushing and try to make her, you know, make those unforced errors.

eshell
Mar 17th, 2003, 03:35 PM
I watched Davenport vs. Capriati and noticed how upbeat Lindsay looked even when she made mistakes.

It seemed as though her gameplan was to go on the offensive first and deny JCap the opportunity to dictate the rallies.

If she had kept the same body language against Kim, who knows what Kim would have thought?

CoryAnnAvants#1
Mar 17th, 2003, 03:40 PM
This may not have a direct relation, but I noticed when Lindsay was upbeat and positive, she was SPRINTING her ass off out there. I've never seen her move so well out there. When she played Kim and was so defeatist, her movement was so much more clumsy and awkward than it was Jen. Maybe it was fatigue, but I still say her attitude affects her play