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WhatTheDeuce
Mar 16th, 2003, 03:32 AM
Which 3 need in the most? :confused:

WhatTheDeuce
Mar 16th, 2003, 03:46 AM
i say anna k jelena and mirjana

tennisIlove09
Mar 16th, 2003, 04:16 AM
If Venus loses to Serena in Miami, my vote goes to her.

Otherwise, I'd say...Anna.

King Lindsay
Mar 16th, 2003, 04:19 AM
it's really funny to me how people seem to think that seeing a "sports psychologist" is automatically going to give you nerves of steel and fix your career. it's not a sure thing, and i wouldn't really advise ay of those players to see a sports psychologist since it's really not clear whether or not they can actually do something for athletes.

jacqueline
Mar 16th, 2003, 04:39 AM
Not really sure if any of the women on the poll need a "sports" psychologist. Although IMO Jelena Dokic could very well need use a clinical psychologist. :devil:

Rtael
Mar 16th, 2003, 04:58 AM
other Justine HEnin =(

BasicTennis
Mar 16th, 2003, 05:15 AM
Venus, if she fails to win a slam this year.:angel:

WtaTour4Ever
Mar 16th, 2003, 05:33 AM
Do you realize you put J.Cap up there twice? :-)

Mr. Man
Mar 16th, 2003, 05:39 AM
I voted Schett. ;)

BasicTennis
Mar 16th, 2003, 06:04 AM
Do you realize you put J.Cap up there twice? :-)

with this observation, I guess, Jen really needs one badly at the moment.:devil:

switz
Mar 16th, 2003, 06:27 AM
patty definitely needs to see someboody who can make her stop getting in relationships with losers. although i think she needs a hypnotherapist

caramel
Mar 16th, 2003, 07:07 AM
None of the ones mentioned about... some of them need other things like a good cook (Hantuchova).

BasicTennis
Mar 16th, 2003, 07:11 AM
None of the ones mentioned about... some of them need other things like a good cook (Hantuchova).
LOL yeah....Daniela needs more caramel in her body.:worship:

irma
Mar 16th, 2003, 07:18 AM
seems that most people in the list above need a normal shrink since a lot of their problems have not so much to do with tennis.
not sure sportsshrinks help with that too

Peetz
Mar 16th, 2003, 09:47 AM
Anne Kremer!!

caramel
Mar 16th, 2003, 10:21 AM
LOL yeah....Daniela needs more caramel in her body.:worship:

Yeah exactly... :p

Dava
Mar 16th, 2003, 11:38 AM
I voted for Jelena Anna and Mirjana, all could do so much better then they are doing right now!!!

AKTW
Mar 16th, 2003, 12:23 PM
I would vote for Elena D. :wavey:
She needs mental toughness.

auntie janie
Mar 16th, 2003, 01:39 PM
I actually think it is very likely that most, if not all, of the players listed probably already have seen someone like Jim Loehr. I regularly see them trying to use his famous techniques on court.

As others have noted, seeing a sports psychologist is not the Holy Grail, the ultimate answer to all players' problems, as tennis fans (including myself) sometimes fall into the trap of believeing.

However, there is no question in my mind that seeing such a professional has done great thing for the careers of Justine HH and Amelie Mauresmo. They no longer give the impression that they might just squander their God-given talents forever in an unseemly series of nervous attacks! :eek:

But as irma pointed out, some other players' problems MAY be more deep-seated and intractable than anything a sports psychologist can help with (Jelena, with her life-long Bad Dad situation, comes to mind). Even so, he/she could steer such a player to other help, maybe to improve their lives, if not for their games.

TatiAnnahølic
Mar 16th, 2003, 02:01 PM
Anna :sad:, Jelena and Babsi

Tennisfan-Mtl
Mar 16th, 2003, 02:03 PM
Definitely Justine Henin....I was surprised you hadn't actually included her in the list...

schris
Mar 16th, 2003, 02:04 PM
Monica

auntie janie
Mar 16th, 2003, 02:38 PM
Tennisfan-Mtl, maybe Justine is not in the poll because she is very open about the fact that she HAS worked with a sports psychologist. Given her current ranking, it seems to have worked pretty well. :hearts:

Aerien
Mar 16th, 2003, 03:16 PM
Alexandra Stevenson
Anna Kournikova
Mirjana Lucic

These three really need to get this question answered:
"Did making the semifinals of Wimbledon at such a young age damage me?"

tennischick
Mar 16th, 2003, 03:38 PM
I actually think it is very likely that most, if not all, of the players listed probably already have seen someone like Jim Loehr. I regularly see them trying to use his famous techniques on court.

As others have noted, seeing a sports psychologist is not the Holy Grail, the ultimate answer to all players' problems, as tennis fans (including myself) sometimes fall into the trap of believeing.

However, there is no question in my mind that seeing such a professional has done great thing for the careers of Justine HH and Amelie Mauresmo. They no longer give the impression that they might just squander their God-given talents forever in an unseemly series of nervous attacks! :eek:

But as irma pointed out, some other players' problems MAY be more deep-seated and intractable than anything a sports psychologist can help with (Jelena, with her life-long Bad Dad situation, comes to mind). Even so, he/she could steer such a player to other help, maybe to improve their lives, if not for their games.

good post. the only thing i want to add is that while seeing a sports psychologist is not a guarantee of success (altho' it works for many), seeing one may be better than doing nothing at all. Todd Martin speaks openly about how seeing a sports shrink helped him. it was only after he sought psychological help that he was finally able to thrash Pete Sampras who til then had remained his nemesis.

a lot of players could benefit from this kind of help, including ones that are not on the list. if Venus wants to start beating Serena, she will need some kind of help to stop seeing her as her little sister when they are on court, but as an opponent that she has to crush. Serena didn't need a shrink to help her get the right attitude...:)

i'm not convinced that Anna's problems are largely psychological. she has been injured a lot, yes, but mainly i think she's just not too smart. i will never ever forget an Anna match i saw years ago. she was playing against Virginia Webb at the Canadian Open. Webb at that point did not have a backhand. the only shot she could make on the backhand was a dropshot. and she continued to drop shot Anna over and over and over. a Junior player would have picked up on it after dropshot #3 and moved into the court to play the next ball. Anna stayed planted behind the baseline. i was amazed. the commentators all started asking, when would Anna figure out that Webb didn't have a backhand? she never did. to her credit she won the match anyway, but it told me a lot about her which i've never forgotten. sorry but a shrink can't help you if you're just spectacularly stupid.

beauty_is_pink
Mar 16th, 2003, 06:49 PM
LOL yeah....Daniela needs more caramel in her body.:worship:


ahh dont get started with this Daniela 'weight' topic again... leave the grl alone people!!! shes the way she is.. if she wasnt healthy she wouldnt still be playing tennis now would she?!

auntie janie
Mar 17th, 2003, 02:44 PM
tennischick, I would be interested to know if you think a good coach (rather than a sports psychologist) can help a player develop oncourt smarts? Or is that impossible? Is it possible, but only if the coach gets the student at a very young age? Were Martina H's court-smarts implanted in her by Melanie, or were they God-given?

I think the two elements -- on-court intelligence/vision, and mental fortitude, which the sports psychologist is supposed to help with -- go together. Because a player in the tight grip of nerves loses everything they have been taught about how to play tennis. At least if they could learn to control their nerves, their mind could function to whatever extent they are capable of, to remember what the coach said to do.

CoryAnnAvants#1
Mar 17th, 2003, 04:16 PM
Mirjana and Jelena need therapists, need sports psychologists. Their issues run far deeper than anything on a tennis court. I'd say Mary Pierce could use a sports psychologist because her attitude can really suck out there. I think Anna needs one too because the fact she hasn't won a tourney yet is more mental than anything IMO.

Schris, since when did Monica need a sports psychologist? When has she been negative on court, given up, or had issues closing out matches?

auntie janie
Mar 17th, 2003, 07:43 PM
<BUMP>
(I really want tennischick, or someone else to answer my questions!) ;)

auntie janie
Mar 18th, 2003, 02:32 AM
<BUMP>
(I really want tennischick, or someone else to answer my questions!) ;)

Bumping again; calling tennischick! :wavey:

Barrie_Dude
Mar 18th, 2003, 03:00 AM
Why Jen Twice?

tennischick
Mar 18th, 2003, 03:20 AM
tennischick, I would be interested to know if you think a good coach (rather than a sports psychologist) can help a player develop oncourt smarts? Or is that impossible? Is it possible, but only if the coach gets the student at a very young age? Were Martina H's court-smarts implanted in her by Melanie, or were they God-given?

I think the two elements -- on-court intelligence/vision, and mental fortitude, which the sports psychologist is supposed to help with -- go together. Because a player in the tight grip of nerves loses everything they have been taught about how to play tennis. At least if they could learn to control their nerves, their mind could function to whatever extent they are capable of, to remember what the coach said to do.

sorry janie, i was looking for a thread started by you! i had no idea you were referring to this thread all along! lol!!!!

OK here's what i think.

i think that a coach has his/her job to do, a trainer has his/her job to do, and a shrink has his/her job to do. there will always be areas of overlap between all three, but they also have their distinct areas of functioning. in fact, it can mess up a player when those involved are not clear on their particular roles and start crossing the lines or blurring the boundaries. that was my point to apoet29 when she suggested that Harold Solomon could've commented on Anna's current psychological state in his interview. while, as a coach, he could influence her level of confidence in herself and can definitely help her with her tendency to panic (and i say "panic" as opposed to "choke" bec sometimes the girl just doesn't have a flipping clue), it would be out of place for him to comment on her psychological fitness. especially if he has a negative POV.

it is the coach's job to help his/her student develop BOTH on-court smarts as well as mental fortitude. but in some cases, while a coach is able to impart the mechanics of the game to his/her student, the problem of choking or panicking remains. or the student may know what to do but may lack confidence in her ability to do it. in such cases, a sports psychologist can be helpful. but not just any sports psychologist but one that understands the particular psychological demands of tennis as a sport.

a good coach understands the role of a sports psychologist and works to integrate those ideas into his/her student's development. i see the coach as the head of the team. others (psychologist, trainer, etc) are consultants that give their input. but the coach is in charge.

i don't think any player should rely exclusively on a single coach for their entire career. one coach may remain in charge of that player's development -- like Larry Passos with Guga -- but a good coach also knows his own limitations and will bring in other talent as needed. thus Sampras turned to Dr. Fisher to develop his serve. but he worked with Gully to develop his serve-and-volley game.

similarly, Vince Spadea and Alexandra Stevenson have since turned to Dr. Fisher to help improve their serves altho' they work with other principal coaches.

hope i answered all of your questions...;) :)

auntie janie
Mar 18th, 2003, 02:55 PM
Thanks, tc! That was pretty good! :)

But I still wonder about something which may be actually unrelated to the thread topic, but which is related to your earlier post here regarding Anna Kournikova's lack of a tennis brain -- can oncourt smarts really be transmitted from a coach, at least from a coach who takes on a player on after, say, age 14 or so? Can a player who has played "wrong" for many, many years still digest enough new information to spontaneously know what to do in various situations in a match?

Or if one is not too bright oncourt by your 20's, is it impossible to improve this aspect of one's game? This si what I still wonder. :confused:

tennischick
Mar 18th, 2003, 03:24 PM
Thanks, tc! That was pretty good! :)

But I still wonder about something which may be actually unrelated to the thread topic, but which is related to your earlier post here regarding Anna Kournikova's lack of a tennis brain -- can oncourt smarts really be transmitted from a coach, at least from a coach who takes on a player on after, say, age 14 or so? Can a player who has played "wrong" for many, many years still digest enough new information to spontaneously know what to do in various situations in a match?

Or if one is not too bright oncourt by your 20's, is it impossible to improve this aspect of one's game? This si what I still wonder. :confused:

terrific question! don't mean to hold myself out an expert so this is just my opinion.

first, i think that there has to be some kind of natural athleticism or talent. no the kid doesn't have to be a prodigy but a natural inclination to the sport or to be sportive is required so that the instruction can take. and yes the younger the better. it's very possible that Anna had this earlier in her career -- she was certainly hailed as the next great thing since she was at Bollettieri's. i think that Anna got distracted along the way and stopped focusing on tennis. she bought into the media hype about herself and morphed into an arrogant bitch. (i don't mean this unkindly, i have the utmost respect for bitches).

Anna has all the strokes but she doesn't have a brain. she can practice for hours and train for hours, but she doesn't have the brain to put a game together. and what little brain she has, she ends up losing as she starts to panic on court. Anna also has the exact same game plan regardless of who she is playing -- she hits the ball hard cross-court. Jen does this very effectively. so does Dokic. Anna doesn't. and her strategy remains invarying regardless of the player, the surface, or the circumstances. that is why i say that she lacks a brain.

it's not too late to change by age 20. it depends on what you want to accomplish. can she improve? yes. and she can make a comfortable living as a lower-tiered tennis player. but she will never win Slams or dominate the tour.

DEETHELICK
Mar 18th, 2003, 03:58 PM
Elena Dementieva is also silently screaming for a sports psychologist's help! :)

auntie janie
Mar 18th, 2003, 05:09 PM
Thanks once again, tennischick. :kiss: I always respect your insights; I don't play tennis, so there is a lot I miss when following the pro game.

I would also like to thank dlandy22 for starting this thread on this fascinating topic of psychology in sport. :kiss:

Elena Dementieva is also silently screaming for a sports psychologist's help! :)

Agreed! Here is an actual photograph of Elena D's silent scream: :eek:

;)

WhatTheDeuce
Mar 18th, 2003, 06:24 PM
your welcome janie :wavey: ;)

Jennifer's wife
Mar 18th, 2003, 10:04 PM
i will say Jennifer only if i am the psychologist and she lies down on my couch! ;) :lick: :drool: :devil:

venusfan
Mar 18th, 2003, 10:08 PM
I voted other because I think it's Kim Clijsters.. How can she lose a match after leading by how much was it again. 5-1 or 5-2 against Serena in the Aussie Semifinal?

What a Choke job.