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selesadmirer
Mar 2nd, 2003, 10:56 PM
I was watching the final of Ai and Kim and sugiyama reminds me so much of martina hingis,they have similar game styles and they are both so consistent...And to add on top of that they are both great in changing direction of the ball...Agree or Disagree

Jordan.
Mar 2nd, 2003, 11:04 PM
I also noticed that..

wongqks
Mar 2nd, 2003, 11:11 PM
The thing about ai is that she only have one great tournament every six months, she really need to get consistent, and top 20 definitely has a place for her given her talent :)

V.Melb
Mar 2nd, 2003, 11:15 PM
Ability and talent has never been her problem. She has beaten Hingis before also. ;)
She tends to lose the plot and go on a losing streak sometimes... thats the difference between her and Martina consistency wise. :)
Then she will have wins over top top players.

Tennis Fool
Mar 2nd, 2003, 11:53 PM
No, actually Kimmie is reminding me of Hingis of the last few years...in terms of letting matches go.

treufreund
Mar 3rd, 2003, 01:18 AM
OH DEFINITELY! As a long-time Hingis fan I kept thinking that many times. It's like she studied Hingis. Very similar style today. She was very good at playing good defense when necessary and counterpunching while attacking and being pretty solid at the net when necessary. She still does not have the same finesse as Martina did but pretty much did a lot of things very similarly. But as a counterpuncher like Ai you pretty much have to play like Hingis did to beat Lindsay, Eleni, Alexandra and Kim in the same tournament. :D

o0O0o
Mar 3rd, 2003, 01:24 AM
Ai hits it harder and flatter and less consistent and doesn't mix things up as much. Hingis uses much more topspin and is much slower. The only similarity is their crap serves and ability to take the ball early.

God was that not a horrendous match? Congrats Ai but choking aside the points were abysmal.

JoeyWinson3.0
Mar 3rd, 2003, 01:30 AM
I've been a fan of Ai's for a long time (and accidentally met her once as I've said on this board about 28 times).

She is a very clever player, she always has been... I really hope this isn't a flash in the pan thing cos I do still think she can make some sort of impact even now, maybe not win a slam, but certainly challenge for one.

Go Ai :)

Leena
Mar 3rd, 2003, 01:33 AM
I don't see that much similarity between the 2. Ai hits it very flat, Hingis doesn't... and there's a lot of players who are good counterpunchers, and quick around the court.

treufreund
Mar 3rd, 2003, 01:34 AM
ooooo, I have to disagree with you. The times that Martina Hingis played her best to beat players like Lindsay or Jenn she did flatten out the ball more often. She still used her topspin at the right times but also flattened it out when needed. No offense, but we saw a lot of different Martinas on the court depending on her confidence and mood and the one you are remembering is definitely not the one I remember.

o0O0o
Mar 3rd, 2003, 01:35 AM
Yes if this is the closest we can find to a Hingis-clone so to speak than it only confirms my belief that Hingis cannot be copied.

treufreund
Mar 3rd, 2003, 01:39 AM
NO TWO PLAYERS are exactly like and Ai does not always play like today but she was more patient at the right times today and more aggressive at the right times too. Overall she looked more like Hingis than she ever has. I am not saying she was a Hingis clone but the similarities were there.

DunkMachine
Mar 3rd, 2003, 01:42 AM
Let's just hope Ai won't copy Martina and fake an ankle injury when she has no hope of winning a GS ever again and retires and tries to make up for her lost childhood by devouring boyfriend after boyfriend. http://www.smilies.nl/flipa.gif :devil:

selesadmirer
Mar 3rd, 2003, 01:52 AM
Most of what i see from Ai makes me think of Hingis.

Greenout
Mar 3rd, 2003, 02:04 AM
That's weird because she always reminded me of Monica Seles.
Takes the ball early, and great footwork.

treufreund
Mar 3rd, 2003, 02:46 AM
Monica also takes the ball early like Ai and Martina but I don't know about the great footwork part. well, when Monica is on FIRE her footwork is great actually much as when Martina was on FIRE she stepped in and took the ball very early.

WhatTheDeuce
Mar 3rd, 2003, 02:53 AM
a little bit...

Vincent
Mar 3rd, 2003, 05:34 AM
Let's just hope Ai won't copy Martina and fake an ankle injury when she has no hope of winning a GS ever again and retires and tries to make up for her lost childhood by devouring boyfriend after boyfriend. http://www.smilies.nl/flipa.gif :devil:
you fuck off!
shut up your mouth! :fiery:

1jackson2001
Mar 3rd, 2003, 07:26 AM
I haven't seen that much of Martina...but I'd say they are pretty similar. Martina picks more on a certain side (ie hitting to opponenet's backhand)..while Ai changes the directions a bit more.

Jakeev
Mar 3rd, 2003, 07:37 AM
Gosh I don't think Ai reminds me of Martina at all. If anything she is more similar to an Amy Frazier or her predessor Kimiko Date.

Ai hits the ball rather hard and flat. I only saw the first 7 games and Ai often outhit Kim from the baseline. I have to assume despite all the errors I guess that crept into both player's games, it was more of that kind of shotmaking through out the match.

HingisLove
Mar 3rd, 2003, 09:44 AM
[QUOTE='DunkMachine']Let's just hope Ai won't copy Martina and fake an ankle injury when she has no hope of winning a GS ever again and retires and tries to make up for her lost childhood by devouring boyfriend after boyfriend. http://www.smilies.nl/flipa.gif



This proves that your signature is just way off...smarter, think not!

DunkMachine
Mar 3rd, 2003, 09:58 AM
[QUOTE='DunkMachine']Let's just hope Ai won't copy Martina and fake an ankle injury when she has no hope of winning a GS ever again and retires and tries to make up for her lost childhood by devouring boyfriend after boyfriend. http://www.smilies.nl/flipa.gif



This proves that your signature is just way off...smarter, think not!

This comment coming from someone who loves Hingis. :wavey: I win on default

doloresc
Mar 3rd, 2003, 12:36 PM
like hingis sugiyama uses her opponent's pace against them. she's not generating the pacer herself but she hits it early and that catches the power players off guard (hence the reason she has wins over many of the big hitters).

Consistency
Mar 3rd, 2003, 02:31 PM
[QUOTE='DunkMachine']Let's just hope Ai won't copy Martina and fake an ankle injury when she has no hope of winning a GS ever again and retires and tries to make up for her lost childhood by devouring boyfriend after boyfriend. http://www.smilies.nl/flipa.gif



This proves that your signature is just way off...smarter, think not!

HingisisLove, ferrero-

Please ignore our resident Hingis hating troll. He's in dire need of attention. :p

Back to subject-I too saw the similarity between Ai and Martina in yesterdays final match.

Amanda
Mar 3rd, 2003, 05:10 PM
No, their games are not similiar. Ai has not been a consistent singles player. She will pull out a terrific singles win once ever green moon. On the other hand, she is a far more dominant doubles player/partner.

mboyle
Mar 3rd, 2003, 06:06 PM
Yes if this is the closest we can find to a Hingis-clone so to speak than it only confirms my belief that Hingis cannot be copied.

Hingis was a tennis GENIOUS. That must be kept in mind. Venus/Serena/Jenn/Kim/Lindsay are all excellent players, but none of them had nearly as much skill or nearly as good a brain (in terms of tennis) as Marti. To say someone is like her is as if one is comparing an author to Shakesphere or a scientist/mathematician to Einstein. The only difference is that in sports, genious is not appreciated. Brawn and power are. It is one of the negatives of sport that brawn is rewarded far over brain. The fact that Martina had nearly no power, but still won 5 grand slams and was able to stay consistent all the way into her career(except for that summer/fall DISASTER), is a testament to just how much of a genious she was. She set the standard for smart tennis, and is likely to never be copied.

mboyle
Mar 3rd, 2003, 06:10 PM
No, their games are not similiar. Ai has not been a consistent singles player. She will pull out a terrific singles win once ever green moon. On the other hand, she is a far more dominant doubles player/partner.

Don't you mean once every BLUE moon?:confused: That is the term I have heard at least.

tyk101
Mar 3rd, 2003, 07:45 PM
Ye I was actually thinking that Hingis could come back and beat some of the top players if she put her mind to it. If Ai can, I'm pretty sure Hingis can. Great week for Ai.. let's hope she continues this dominance and annoy the top players with her persistent 'tennis machine' like game! Yep.. I'm a fan of sugiyama, she has a very solid and compact game, let's hope she can challenge for bigger things! Is she playing IW?